LED Vs Halogen Vs Fluro Work Lights The Watts & Lumens Lighting Scam

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During summer I had plans to totally rebuild my video making area, this included new lights as well. But once I started to look at various work lights I started to realize there is a game going on with the numbers surrounding various types of lights. Basically there is no standard number which really indicates the lights true ability....sneaky indeed.
We all want low budget lighting solutions to make videos but sometimes the best light comes from the ones which many people say are energy wasting.
I compare a very inexpensive 500W tungsten halogen work light to some other different work lights and show the advantages and disadvantages of each work light, but don't we buy lights for good light? Just because a light is large in size does not mean it's bright. With the new trend of energy saving lights which have high initial prices attached and low lumen output I thinks it's a real buyer beware situation. You can blow a ton of money on new LED lights which are basically useless at producing good light. You need good light to make good videos.
The video compares these 3 different styles of lights.
Halogen Vs Florescent
Halogen Vs LED
500W Tungsten Halogen Work Light $20 Bulb $4
55W Large Florescent Work Light $60 Fluro Tube $15
30W Large LED Work Light $150 New LED ??
Link to my $5 barn doors for work lights, cheap and easy to do, nice work light hack.
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The lumen (lm) is the SI derived unit of luminous flux, a measure of the total "amount" of visible light emitted by a source.
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@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Nice to see you have come in and said it straight to the point, I was having some people tell me their 200 lumen LED flashlight could do better lighting than a 10.000 lumen worklight...i'm starting to think next we will hear is lead being turned into gold

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Thanks for the shout out video..LOL..never expected that...much appreciated. Well done on your 7 years on this site...I'm not sure how you have done it without looking burnt out.

@racegrooves 11 лет назад

All RU-vidrs struggle with this topic. Thanks for shining a little light on it. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Right now, I'm using a regular overhead dual fluorescent light fixture and a handful of CFL's (Compact Fluorescent Lights) in clamp/flood light fixtures found at Walmart and home improvement stores. This is one video for the favorites!

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Thanks, what scares me here is when you say "Higher quality ones", that crappy LED work light cost $150 and it's totally useless, how much do I spend to get something high quality ? When I go to hardware stores and lighting shops there is a huge push to sell LED lighting, and from what I can work out it sucks hard if you want good light

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Aussie I have seen very powerful LED light arrays used in the film industry but they need all sorts of heat sinks and special cooling devices to keep them running. If they get cooked they are fried. It's been interesting seeing the LED revolution going on, it's got a long way to go before it's an inexpensive form of lighting at purchase point.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

It's been very interesting seeing the LED fanboys come in and explain to me they can light their videos with 200 lumen LED flashlights. The cheapest I have seen 500W Halogen worklights is the ALDI special from 2 weeks back. $26 for twin 500W worklights and stand. Basically thats 20.000 lumens on a stick for $26. Thats cheaper than a single 4W LED light bulb...and we are suckers for this. This is the game going on when you head to the hardware stores these days.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Even though the video is long all it's really saying is the best cheap solution is the old 500W Halogen lights. You don't keep your filming lights on all day so the power usage really is not a problem. The trap for people buying work lights is there is no standard figure across all styles of lights. Lumens would be the obvious choice. Not many people know the old 500W work light spews out 10.000 lumens and is cheap as chips to buy.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Take a look on youtube at people doing reviews of LED lights...they point the light down the camera lens to show how bright the light is....It's not just salesmen doing this trick. There is a huge push to sell LED lights, thats where the bigger margins are and in the end thats what it's all about.

@MrTeatime2 10 лет назад

I'm so glad I just watched this, I was going to get some mains LED's for video work, not now! Really appreciate that you took the trouble to make this. I made some CFL lights and I had to use a lot of bulbs to get the light I wanted, they are cool running though. Do you use a gel to get daylight balance from your halogens?

@TheSoxmania 7 лет назад

You should convert the 500w halogen fixture to a 70w ceramic metal halide and stick an electronic ballast onto it. They're almost on-par with halogen for lumen output (around 6200- 6400 lumens for a ceramic lamp and 5200 for quartz) and because the electronic ballasts run at insanely high frequency, they have little to no flicker. Also, the lamps are cheap and easy to replace. The CRI values vary a lot from lamp to lamp, so you should check the datasheets for the lamp you want to buy. I personally use Philips' MasterColour CDM-TD 942 70w ceramic metal halide. It has a light output of 6200 lumens and a CRI value of 95. Not as good as halogen (100) but it's more energy efficient and puts out more lumens per watt.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Thanks, I am getting all sorts of different numbers related to how much the powerful LED's are worth, and it's sad the good stuff in not hitting the shops yet. Surely when you buy a work light your expecting it to have a good light output. The old 500W (10.000 lm) halogens are basically standard fair yet I see nothing compared to that in the stores, and it it was the price would be up through the roof.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

In the video I steered well clear of the complex topic of colour temp, just looking at light values is confusing enough.

@racegrooves 11 лет назад

Agreed. These types of videos are more for your dedicated viewers. Maybe you can change the title and description a bit. Include 'testing' 'What's the best light for my RU-vid video' 'product review'. If you do a google search, see what searches get auto-filled in the search box and use those phrases in your description.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Sadly the lighting game is full of weird info set to confuse the consumer, the move to environmentally friendly energy saving lights has opened up a industry where you can charge stupid high prices just for the feel goof idea your better off. Sometimes you buy a light because you need light, as I found it's really buyer beware these days with very expensive lights putting out some very crappy illumination.

@ianclampin103 6 лет назад

Thanks for the video. I agree LED has a long way to go to match the 500w halogens. I would like to replace my lights with a cheap and cool to run, LED lamp but they are expensive to buy and from what I hear and have read they are totally unreliable, with many failing within 18 months. Unfortunately over here in the good old UK the government in their infinite wisdom are now banning halogen lamps, even though there is no reliable replacement.

@lochrnames 11 лет назад

I love your long and detailed descriptions

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

ah...the old focus trick...just like the trick of shining a light in your face to show you how bright a light is...it's the oldest trick in the book

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Could I light my video making area with a few of your 200 lumen LED flashlights..?? as it stands I use 4 - 500W 10.000 lumen lights and a few other downlights on the side, all up lets call it 40.000 lumen to light a fairly small area

@Aussie50 11 лет назад

This is why I spend $17 on 500W Halogens at Bunnings, or buy surplus film set lights that use standard bulbs.

@Aussie50 11 лет назад

I bought 3X 500W Arlec 500W halogen work lights for under $50 at Bunnings, why would anyone buy a LED light for video use. OK, they use less power and run cooler, but if you have $1000 worth of camera equipment, and want quality, go Halogen!

@iviaverick52 11 лет назад

Thanks for sharing, you can actually get 500W shop lights at Lowes for $15 a piece ($30 for dual lights on a stand) my only concern is I use them for lighting in a rather small basement living area, and they make it HOT in there really fast.

@ArguelloFlores 10 лет назад

Thanks for sharing your test. I noticed the difference in the light when reading, then when taking pictures. Incandescent produces more heat but better light.

@con31773 9 лет назад

Fantastic video. I haven't got much in the way of experience of set lighting, and this is exactly the kind of video I was looking for to get me started. cheers xx

@martin0mac2000 11 лет назад

It is in general one large headache of a topic to get ones head around, and as someone who works with lights day in, day out, it still boggles the mind!

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Are you telling me Bunnings box info is a lie...wow that really sets the cat with the rats, that means that 55 watt fluro is really crappy lumens as well Just have a sniff of some major comment fights on this video

@1978Prime 8 лет назад

I find that the halogen work lights seem to blow globes regular. I also have light stands that have mini fluo light and they're bright, but also fragile. One fall and you have to replace the globes, so therefore transported them is not an option. I was hoping the LED lights would be a good alternative as a portable set, but now I'm starting to wonder is they would be bright enough for a green screen

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

My best advice is never try to bring a serious video to youtube...they tend to fail. RU-vid scream at you to produce good quality serious content..thats a fail

@vincentnguyen1974 11 лет назад

I'm actually very curious, but what team do you barrack for in AFL? I'm a Geelong Supporter! :)

@Aussie50 11 лет назад

lol not me, the customer wanted the machine fixed ASAP to I got a few of them and marked the price up to $180 each :D

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Can you give me a switch which gives it 10.000 lumens...it's such a weak light for it's size and everyone raves about LED's

@alex993cc1 11 лет назад

it seems to me that you cant have it all.. a 30w light is gonna make 30w of light.. a 500watt light is gonna make 500watts of light :) i'm glad you did this video, now i can go buy cheap 500 watt halogens to light my shop :) i was thinking of the crazy LED stuff

@AMetalWorks 10 лет назад

You can find 100 watt LED Flood lights that are rated at 9000 lumens. This is what you'd need to match the light output of the halogen. Not sure if they have the flicker but you can find them on Ebay for about $80 with free shipping. I plan on trying to replace the florescent lights in my shop with these. Yes they're expensive but I'll never have to change any bulbs. They're rated for 50,000 hours plus they cut down on the use of power in my shop. This is important for me because I need that power for my tools lol. But yes you have a completely different use for yours. Thank you though for the video I almost talked myself into getting the 50 watt until you told me how many lumens the halogens had.

@yuryk.7254 11 лет назад

Great job. Thank you for this video and the time you spent.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

I'm not buying expensive batteries for crappy weak light, I saw at Aldi a twin (2 500W work lights (20.000 lumen all up) with stand for $26, the LED's can go to the tip, they are absolute rubbish

@ChrisBrown1957 10 лет назад

Nice testing - as far as it goes, but the one thing you're not really doing is comparing like with like. Current thinking is LED power is 5X wattage (which I think it over optimistic anyway!) So your 30W LED is equal to a 150W bulb, so it WONT equal the output of the 500W Ditto the 55W (250W) only half power of 500W. Plus wattage no way equates to light output. Try lighting something with a 1000W bar of an electric fire!!

@mepickulongtime 10 лет назад

Thank you for this information!! I almost bought these lights. Can't really go wrong with halogens = cheap :)

@davidfields1096 11 лет назад

The reason you get strpbing from many LEDs has to do with the AC current. LEDs are designed for and work best with DC current. They are actually turnng on and off as the AC cycles. When you slow down your film, you are seeing the actual on/off in action. Because of an eye condition I have, I can actually see the strobing on many of these lights naturally. it is the same sort of trouble you sometimes get with filming a computer monitor if the refresh rate is set lower than 60. Thanks!

@littlegoobie 10 лет назад

Look into this for yourself. an HID offroad light setup for portable home use. A lot of people mount them to military ammo boxes with 12v cells. For home use you can either find some big fat power inverters or you could get away with a deep cycle 12v battery and charger. The limitation with a battery setup is you can't have long runs of wiring with DC power. Besides lumens and flickering, the other issue you were battling is color temperature. The LED's and flouro's were "blue" light while your halogens are warmer. With HID's, you can pick and choose the color temperature ranging from banana yellow all the way up to pink with green, white, blue and purple in between. the yellows being the lowest color temperature (2500-3000K), the blues starting around 5000k (although some call 5000K "white") all the way up to the pinks which are past 30000K. If you look at your video, you'll see that some of your light boxes were labelled 5000K. to me, that has a slightest blue tint. Oh, the point of bringing up HID is a ton more light than halogen at 1/3 the power consumption. You would want around 4300K which is close to your halogen color.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

ALL FOR FREE, TIME TO DO A MASS DUMP UPLOAD TO SAVE MY CHANNEL

@chadmercree404 11 лет назад

Thanks for the great video. I suspected LED's were too dim to use and you've basically proved it.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Most do use ad blockers, and I'm not doing fine..not sure where your getting your info from but take a look on the forums about the massive downturn lately. Am I a fool to think I can survive by handing out stuff for FREE It seems plenty of fools enjoy the idea that everything in life is FREE, I bet they go nowhere in life, thats for sure. Partner for all release stuffed it for everyone, it was a stupid move. There is no motivation to make good content now, it's a nasty catch 22 for youtube

@Hogwit 10 лет назад

The flickering and the buzzing both from fluorescent and led is the ac system. It's a 60 hertz buzz and a 60 hertz flicker. It's more dramatic on the led because their start up power is no greater than their running power so there's no need to get a clean and consistent voltage. The fluorescent were less dramatic because the manufacturers had to get the flicker down enough to keep the light on as starting a fluorescent takes more power than running it. If you power either of those lights from a higher quality power supply or a battery there will be no flicker.

@jebeda 7 лет назад

Certainly one should be comparing light output (lumens) when comparing bulbs - assuming one can trust the labeled output. One other thing to consider is the direction that the light is output. Incandescents and flourescents throw their light out in all directions, and the bulbs and fixtures can use reflectors to throw the light in the desired direction. For room lighting, sending the light everywhere is typically what is desired - for flood lights, not so much. Those refelctors end up being a bit inefficident, so significant amounts of your 9660lm from the 500W halogen bulb do not get sent to the things you are trying to light. LEDs can be very directional which is a challenge when designing LEDs for room lighting, but is a good thing when using them for task lighting - almost all of the light produced goes the way you want it to go in. In this particular case, to replace the 9660 lm from the 500W halogen fixture, you might be able to use 7000 to 8000 lumens of directed LED lighting. Thus you probably need three or four LED fixtures of the type you tested.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Simple...FREE, didn't you notice it was free?

@martin0mac2000 11 лет назад

As LED's are bought in "Bins" from the manufacturers. The More expensive bins of LED's the led's all look and perform almost exactly the same, in the cheaper bins the led's colour temp, and CRI etc. etc. can vary wildly. There is just a ridiculous number of variables. Oh also the quality of the Power supply determines a few things. In a LED fixture, they are generally designed so that you never have to replace the Diode, and if it does fail, time for you to buy a new light.

@bobstevens3470 10 лет назад

What a shame LEDs always work in a small size but not large. Great info I now know what flood light I'm getting.

@georgewills-ek1gg 3 месяца назад

there are LED corncob retrofits for those halogens, you should try one someday. the electronic buzzing is caused by the ballast, a component used to regulate the current to the bulb. the fluorescent one has one aswell. the bulbs in those LED floods are almost imposable to find/replace. verdict, LED's suck and they always will, next best thing will be LERFEC, or bioluminescent or maybe phosphordynamicphosphorescent. but nothing will ever beat the clasic old halogen!

@7effco 11 лет назад

You don't get "stroving" in your old LED lights because theres like 50 of them all working at different speeds and so theres no noticeable light falter but in the new LED one, theres one bulb so theres more light falter as theres less bulbs.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

quite simple...a FREE VIDEO

@Aussie50 11 лет назад

I have tried LED recently and they are pathetic. Incad's FTW. Fluros are great too unless your doing HS video

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

How about this LEDs are instant on/off...lets change that to rip/off

@Aussie50 11 лет назад

I bought some 18AH SLA batteries off Altronics a while ago, they were about $120 each. kinda a waste of money for a crummy light.

@martin0mac2000 11 лет назад

Also the colour temperature of the light, and the colour rendering Index (CRI) is important to get everything looking right, the LED's and fluro probably had a very low CRI (Mid 70's), whilst most halogens have a quite high, and almost perfect CRI (Say mid 90's). Some salesman had plenty of fun with you, $150.00 for that thing.... eBay has them for significantly less. Also Even from the same manufactuer of lights, the colour temp of the LED's can vary in cheap LED's.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

It's FREE, and thats all people want these days

@ArjenJongeling 9 лет назад

I have tested a 50W LED work light and was very disappointed with the amount of light. It should have 4500 lumen but I measured only 600 lumen with an iPhone app. The manufacturer told me they limit the power to save lifetime. It could be interesting if you measured all the lights you tested. In studio lighting, the rule of thumb seems to be 1000 lux for f/8. One lux is 1 lumen per square metre. So I figured I would have f/22 with my 4500 lumen light. Instead, it was f/1.4! Maybe I'm mistaken in my calculation from lux to lumen.

@nightcris1 11 лет назад

you should check out the LED high bay lights: some of them with 300W arrive to 30000 lumen. However they're pretty expensive: around 400$

@Twisted_T_Racing 11 лет назад

The big led light strobs because it is on AC power (Alternating) and that hand held light is DC (Direct) meaning it will have constant power where as AC will strobe. Another reason is to make a led light really bright a circuit is needed (the humming sound). I also don't believe that could be 2000 some lumen because my 200 lumen led flash light is brighter than my 500 watt halogen

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

thats why I rarely vlog..I have speech problems...big ones

@HBSuccess 7 лет назад

I've been shopping as well - halogens put out double the usable light for half the price. Yes they use a lot of power and u will have to buy bulbs - but those costs are peanuts for the way I use portable lights. There is no ROI in my lifetime at this point for LED

@huyked 10 лет назад

Thank you! Very informative, and nicely done.

@WORRO 11 лет назад

Good informational video, thanks for sharing!

@slamdvw 11 лет назад

There are some lighting jobs that only a glowing piece of metal can handle. Unless, of course, you're talking carbon arc! Wonder what a metal halide would look like under high speed? I high frequency square wave AC ballast for a 400w MH should give you enough light.... though you can buy a lot of halogens and a lot of electricity for the cost of the ballast.

@bnewton81 10 лет назад

the LED is strobing because the manufacturer did not build the circuit to convert the wall ac to dc. In other words you bought a cheaply made light. LED's will work on ac or dc as long as the voltage and current are correct. I have no idea how tell before you buy a light like you did though. I just bought 10 24 LED boards I'm going to wire together for lighting. Nothing on them but LED's and a resistor so there can't be any strobing issues as long as I provide dc.

@TheeAirworks 11 лет назад

dave fields is correct , if you DC current them . or build a capacitor conditioner. you can clean up the strobe on LED's. its all due to the power ballast.

@markaz2kk 11 лет назад

to remove the strobe effect, take it off AC, its Switchmode and its causing the light to flicker.ive done 40 of these in a total row and run off 4 18ah 12v batterys and run for 180 hours!

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

200 lumen led flash light is brighter than my 500 watt halogen ok, explain that one...!!

@Twisted_T_Racing 11 лет назад

Usually the reason for not having it full rectified is you get less light with the same amount of power. I dont kno0w why but just tinkering around with my stuff I have found that out.

@qushtal 8 лет назад

It could be more accurate test mate if u use 150W Halogen vs 150W or 100W LED and same with Florescent.

@Jackle61 8 лет назад

Big difference between lumens and the old candle power rating. When I'm working on my truck in the winter I want the 500w halogen not only for light but for the heat it gives off.

@MichaelWellsMW 8 лет назад

Yeah, just don't brush up against the light. :-)

@Aussie50 11 лет назад

It looks like the big LED light is being PWM or half wave DC powered. kinda shit for HS video :(

@m3sca1 11 лет назад

Pun intended,very illuminating video...aussie50 is correct.The LED is swithmode so they are not always on,a large cap could smooth the flicker but whats the point when there is not the same density.Interesting to note that bunnings say 2800lm and jaycar says 1500lm for the same 30 watts.i suggest that there would need to be 15 times 30 watt LEDchips to get anywhere near the same light output,and that would pure DC not PWM.

@HeavenInspiredMovies 8 лет назад

Thanks for the helpful review!

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

Where I live is rip off city,, everything is totally overpriced

@m3sca1 11 лет назад

They have a 30 volt switchmode power supply bolted to the heatsink,so its not 100% duty cycle

@NEELWELLVIDEO1 9 лет назад

Thank you for this video you saved me lots of money

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

get real, when I upload I maybe pull 2000 views from subs.......so where are the others..?? On the QE2 having a holiday on the RU-vid income they earned from ripping off others on the site..??

@Xeo989 11 лет назад

Great help !!! Thanks for this review ..!!

@wrscar 11 лет назад

hay i think that you should put up a warning about sieges at the start, but it is still good

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

FREE VIDEO

@rattytatt521 11 лет назад

LEDs are instant on/off, so you're gonna get the 50Hz/100Hz flicker, and the quality of that light didn't really impress me. You can buy 100W LEDs for next to nothing about £20 on eBay and they have 9000 lumens output too :) for about another £10 you can buy a 30v power supply and a fat ass heat sink and there you have it :) consumerism!

@heresteven2343 11 лет назад

Some LEDs cannot be serviced. We had some that the driver or the LED chip could be replaced.

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

FREE

@Twisted_T_Racing 11 лет назад

Technically yes beings the lights are about 20 bucks a pop so pretty cheap but it is a very blue light and doesnt look the greatest on camera

@brewey0454 11 лет назад

thanks I like the reviews

@Twisted_T_Racing 11 лет назад

Only reason I can come up with is all the light is focused maybe i will try taking the lens off and seeing what happens!

@martin0mac2000 11 лет назад

Interesting to see how utterly crap those LED floodlights are. The refresh rates on the LED's must be quite low (say 100Hz) to flicker so badly. You can now get lights that have significantly higher refresh rates designed specifically for use in TV. The Measure of Lumens on the front of the box is a complete sham, as if you took a measurement of your 500w flood, from 5cm away it could be 100,000lm, Or standing 10m away its 500lm Without additional info this infomation is useless.

@myversionofstuff 8 лет назад

Thanks good video . The cheap ones the best .

@kevinburn6576 7 лет назад

scoobee

@kuhnskuhn4465 11 лет назад

Hello! I wasn't home for one week, and when I came back I was surprised by all those "FREE VIDEOS". Are you doing this to show that you're not paid for your videos?

@Rustbelt_Research 11 лет назад

I've never even seen an LED Work light here in the USA...

@alex993cc1 11 лет назад

im talking for video work aswell mate :) im surprised you answered to this as my original comment was spam ahhaa :)

@CookieAnimeful 11 лет назад

Thanks!

@mrbluenun 11 лет назад

I realise you were making this video to show examples, but the one way you can prevent the "salesmen" from screwing you, is not to listen to them at all. There is more than enough info about lights online for the same of a couple of hours research you can then go out and not have to rely on Bull Sh7t salesmen. A good sales men with always tell you the truth, but most are not so they just want to make a quick buck or pound even if you come back next week for your money back!

@markaz2kk 11 лет назад

jaycar, are alot cheaper and its only 1500 lumens... major typo

@snakwa 11 лет назад

Hi Leo joseph mum here sorry what does it mean free video on at the end your video

@alex993cc1 11 лет назад

$120 for 18AH SLA? you walking with a limp ???

@leokimvideo 11 лет назад

zero

@BRICKSHOWISCOOL 11 лет назад

how much is this video?

@ucwepn 11 лет назад

I use halogen floodlights and a halogen worklight.

@MichaelWellsMW 8 лет назад

There's nothing "sneaky" about any of this. When light bulbs were fairly consistent, they were measured in wattage, signifying how much power would be used. As more efficient bulbs came out, first CFL, then LED, the wattage was not related anymore. You have a 30 Watt CFL being compared to a 100 Watt incandescent bulb, meaning that to be a direct comparison, that CFL would have to be 3 1/3 times as strong, so it would be using 100 watts of power. SO they went with a measurement of the light emitted. Not really rocket science here. And not a "scam", nor "sneaky". People didn't really know what a "lumen" was until this change, so there wasn't a reason to make a big deal out of the lumens used. Someone who does video work and photography, as you imply, should already understand this.

@jazzthis7451 7 лет назад

Michael Wells You have to understand that there is a ton of blatantly false advertising on these led products. When you purchase a "100 watt" led, the manufacturer just means they've installed a 100 watt led chip in the floodlight, but often times they've only put in a 40 watt ballast, thus only giving you 40 watts of equivalent light. To sell it as 100 watt light is a lie. The lumen output is also often based around that fake number. The other part of the story is the CRI, which is most often not labeled on the package, and this varies widely with the quality of the led. For video work the color rendering index is crucial, and there is often no information regarding it.