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@GuiorPhotography 3 года назад

Just got the M10 Monochrom and I absolutely love it

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Wow, I envy you😀 Enjoy your new fantastic camera!

@klauslampe4199 Год назад

Your photos are by far the best Leica M Monochrome on RU-vid. Amazing to see. Those other by DPR or Mr someting doesn't ring the bells of beauty your simple ones do. Congrats !

@mattisulanto Год назад

Thank you so much.

@Steve-ff3xx 3 года назад

Thanks for your review of this very interesting camera. Your comments about the advantages of a monochrome sensor versus Bayer matrix make sense. As you point out, the Bayer matrix is a compromise where you sacrifice some quality for convenience. That is why the best color astronomical color images are taken through monochrome sensors like the one on this Leica. They end up taking separate exposures taken through red, green, and blue filters and then subsequently combine them through software to yield color. This gives better colors and more detail than the same images taken with Bayer matrix cameras.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Yes, even though modern Bayer sensor cameras are really good, they can't match monochrome sensor in sharpness.

@zenonbillings9008 3 года назад

excellent matte ! really looking foreward to that next video. i have begun shooting L MONOCHROME D on my panasonic G9 using the panasonic leica 15 mm f1.7 and finding the image quality stunning for those of us that can't afford the leica cameras. zen billings

@Malcolm701 3 года назад

I was about to suggest the very same!

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

The The image quality there should not be different from the one obtained with the color setting on the same camera. I would even add that shooting in monochromatic mode allows you to see in BW but also limits you to 256 shades of gray as it is a JPG. Processing your raw file (color) to BW should give you better quality.

@Bakin 3 года назад

Matti; thanks for sharing your experience with this B&W camera. At that price this video is as close as I'll ever get to that camera! Interesting though how the B&W only simplifies the camera settings needed.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks. The lack of color settings really makes things simple.

@bakermantube 3 года назад

A very interesting camera and way to take monochrome photos. Thanks for your video and Happy Easter from Germany!

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks. Happy Easter to you too.

@andreasrochow5170 3 года назад

For Matti you have to cosider The Panasonic Lumix line 😜

@paylnyles 3 года назад

Since getting my Lumix S1 I've never shot so much B&W but totally agree with B&W making you a better photographer x.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

Why "a better photographer"?

@marianoanton1331 3 года назад

Matti it's so nice to see this "spring day" with gloves ;) Beautiful light though; nice video!

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks.

@bernocreely4601 3 года назад

If I had the dosh I’d definitely buy an M10, I deserve one. Excellent video, fab pictures, thank you 🌸

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@catherinejoanpiazza420 3 года назад

Well, let me just say that I love Leica cameras and I'm not a dentist or a snob. I'm a social worker, low on the socioeconomic ladder. However, photography is my passion and I have a M246 which is the monochrome version preceding the M10. The files are gorgeous. I also, shoot Olympus and love it, too. Of course color files can be converted but my experience is that it takes a LOT of post processing to come close to a true monochrome file. I have shot B&W both ways and I love to go out for a day with the monochrome camera along with several color filters depending on what I'm shooting. The red filter is a lot of fun when the sky is involved. Yes, the camera's are expensive. So what? I'd rather have that than a new car or expensive jewelry. We all choose our priorities.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing. That was a refreshing viewpoint to this and proves that not all Leica shooters are not dentists after all😅

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

PS: I am not a dentist either; I have worked in photography for 40 years and bought my first used Leica (a battered M2 with a collapsible 50 mm) in 1986, followed by an M6 with which I have done tons of professional work as well as exhibitions of my more personal work. I now love to use an M Monochrom whose files (and 1 m x 1,5 m prints) are unique, unrivalled by 35 mm even 6x6 film.

@trix-4656 3 года назад

Had two M-6's and they were wonderful. Later had a Nikon F3 and it was just as good. Very similar results. The only difference: the feel in your hands.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

That's it. People always compare and contemplate the results, but I think the point is how the camera feels and do you like to use it. I had many F3s back in the day and I shot countless of assignments on them. Wonderful camera.

@paulsehstedt6275 3 года назад

Nice review. You can also use yellow or orange filters on a Monochrome to achieve more contrast. Sadly my customers want colour photos otherwise I would shoot with a Monochrome instead of my M240. I don't care about the price, cause a camera is a work tool and not for prestige. For special jobs and video I've my Lumix GX8 with Leica lenses. Keep on rolling, Matti!

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing.

@ShawnPerryVideoPhotoS5 3 года назад

It is really cool that this day and age we have a camera that shoots black and white. Do you know how many have been sold? I assume that is why the cost is so high, because it is a speciality camera. Very cool that Leica is willing to produce a camera like this. Thanks so much your insights.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks. I have no idea how many they sell each year or month. I suppose it's a fraction compared to the regular M10 sales and the reason for the high price too.

@MB-or8js 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto I don't think that the price represents the # of cameras sold with Leica. Actually, all M10-M cameras are constantly sold out. It is simply that Leica wants to avoid depreciation of their digital cameras by cranking up prices sky-high, and to remain seen as pure luxury brand (seen that Leica stopped making the affordable Summarit lens line).

@kemerthomson 3 года назад

I look forward to Part 2. I believe that this sensor has amazing dynamic range and low noise. It would be misleading to think that color sensors processed as monochrome will provide equal results, but are probably good enough for most of us. For the specialist, even relatively slight differences aren’t slight. Artists or snobs? Does it matter if they can afford it?

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

@@wylie_photo 8 bit file has 256 shades, 10 bit file has 1024 shades, 12 bit file has 4096 shades, 14 bit file has 16384 shades, 16 bit file has 65536 shades. Color picture has that amount of shades per color channel.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

@@wylie_photo On a Bayer sensor 50% of the pixels read green, 25% read blue and 25% read red and the final picture is interpolated from that information. A monochrome sensor can read grayscale info with each individual pixel and therefore each pixel is 100% effective and no demosaicing interpolation is needed. That's why a monochrome sensor can render more detail from the same pixel count. It has nothing to do with bit depth per se.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

The Leica M 10 mono sensor records raw files at 14 bits = 16384 shades of gray. The BW files obtained are unique (because of the sensor) with great dynamic range (what can be retrieved from the shadows is surprising). It is the best sensor of the current market regarding extreme ISOs. One can work comfortably at 12500 ISO!

@simontaylor9991 3 года назад

I love taking b&w images with my Pen F, and would love one of these...until the GAS struck me again and I felt I had to get a Phase One Achromatic...

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

I healthy to dream sometimes😀

@valdiskrebs566 3 года назад

Yeah, I love the Pen-F for monochrome images... the Pen-F Mono/Color wheel gives so much flexibility in dialing in the exact monochrome look you want.

@sstansm7f 3 года назад

Thanks Matti! I wonder why no one else produces monochrome sensor camera in affordable price segment. I would consider MFT monochrome camera.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

I think the market is too small and small production numbers would increase the price anyway. I might consider it too, but I'm sure we are in the minority.

@bakermantube 3 года назад

A very good mft-camera for monochrome is the Olympus Pen-F! It's not available in Shops anymore unfortunately but you can get used ones everywhere.

@sstansm7f 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto There's another drawback of monochrome camera is that LED colour monitors can render only 255 grades of grey. It's too small to enjoy viewing. Need to have monochrome display or print on monochrome printer. Also old B&D prints are still awesome to see.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

@@sstansm7f There are definitely some issues with having only one "color" channel, but also many upsides.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

There are a few firms that will convert some cameras to a monochrome ones by removing the Bayer array filter. A quick search on the internet should provide you with a solution.

@wilfredshum3703 3 года назад

A better match with this $9000 camera is the new APO 35 mm Summicron M lens. Not sure about the performance, but price-wise for sure. BTW, I use my Q2M for B&W photography.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

I had no choice with the lens, because the camera is on loan, but sure an APO Summicron would be nice. I have used the 50mm APO and that was fantastic.

@hauke3644 3 года назад

If money is no object and you know beforehand, that you're going to shoot b&w, such a camera makes sense. But I would need color filters, usually yellow, sometimes green, to brighten skin, grass and trees a little bit. Which is the base iso of the camera? Combining a color and grey filters might not be too good, at least difficult to handle...

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Base ISO is 160. The tonal response is really nice and there probably is not much need for filters, but of course sometimes you may want to use a filter.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

You are right color filters are as useful with this camera as with BW film except that the photosites are less sensitive to blue light than silver halides so even without a yellow filter you can get clouds in the sky ;o) Personally I often use a yellow filter; I know others who use an orange one for more dramatic contrast/effect (see the reddotforum / Leica Miami RU-vid channel for more information).

@valdiskrebs566 3 года назад

How about a video showcasing Lumix’s L. Monochrome and L. Monochrome D for the other 99% of your subscribers?

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

I have made a couple of Lumix B&W videos in the past, but why not one more. B&W is cool and I like it. However, I think the M10 experience is also for everyone, because not many can borrow one and the B&W sensor is special. Anyway, I'll think of something about Lumix Monochrome. It's always a good topic.

@valdiskrebs566 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto Yes, have enjoyed your B&W videos! Maybe get together with Peter and do an MFT B&W shoot-out??? Compare Olympus Monochrome and Pen F’s Mono-1/2/3 on the special wheel to Lumix’s Monochrome & L Mono, & L Mono D?

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

@@valdiskrebs566 We are waiting for the Pandemic to level out a bit and then we'll get together and make videos again.

@Broadcast1Channel 3 года назад

The £7400 price tag for the body reflects the low production and very specific market this camera is aimed at. There will be children and teenagers out there that have a love of photography that will have posters of it pinned to there wall of dreams, just as those who are car fans will have there dream car poster pinned to there wall. Also as mentioned in this video when taking pictures with a colour camera set to black and white it is a composition of the colour sensor. With this camera it's black and white. Just how badly would I like to have a day just to experience using such a camera. May have to look into hire cost.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks for your thoughts.

@kenguru2005 3 года назад

I think, this Camera has its charm ...

@ruuddirks5565 3 года назад

I asked myself "why would you buy this?" And I think the answer is; "because it is a Leica!" I can understand the technical benefits of a monochrome camera over post-processing monochrome. But in which application would that difference really be noticeable? And what would that cost? (you need the same high quality in the presentation as in the capturing of the photo)

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Let's say you have a long term project, let's say five years minimum, and you plan to shoot it all B&W. If you also like to work with a Leica M, this camera can simplify the workflow. But as always, these are personal preferences. I think we all choose the camera we like to use and feel good about.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

A few reason why this camera is a different beasts: the way it records the light/image is unique and direct (no interpolation necessary) which also means more detailed images, higher ISO possibilities, great dynamic range, more information that can be retrieved from the shadows.

@hanskirk-hiking9697 3 года назад

Great video - what are the difference between the "Leica" lenses made by Panasonic and real Leica lenses - I have the "Leica" 12mm F1.4 for MFT, and l really love this lens 💁🇩🇰

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

I believe Leica branded lenses have to meet certain criteria, but I'm not sure how it really goes.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

The Leica lenses for Panasonic 4/3 are designed by Leica and manufactured under their specifications. They are Leica's even if not manufactured in Germany (which is also the case for others Leica lenses some having been manufactured in Canada and Portugal in Leica factories in those countries).

@hanskirk-hiking9697 2 года назад

Hi Bruno thanks for letting me know 💁

@robertoposa1120 3 года назад

The one and only LEICA

@LonStar3000 3 года назад

I feel now that it is your duty to convince Panasonic into making a cheaper, much cheaper version of this wonderful camera! LOL The pixels being used 100% is what gives it the great dynamic range.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

I'll do my best, but I'm afraid Leica remains the only black and white manufacturer. I think Phaseone also has or had a monochrome digital back.

@MichaelGerrard 3 года назад

I hope you had plenty of insurance cover when you were out with that camera! ;-)

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Yes, you have to be prepared and also careful with loaned gear. It would be most embarrassing to damage a loaner.

@RDMracer 3 года назад

Pure black and white is nice, but there is one problem, I see colour. So I only use B&W to create a special atmosphere afterwards. The problem is: I really like to adjust the grayscale light strength of different colours in post, so any direct black and white shooting in camera disturbs my creative process.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Fortunately there many color cameras to choose from.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

It is your process and so a monochrome camera is not designed for you. Some of us have got enough practice and motivation to have taught ourselves how to visualise BW and anticipate when a scene/subject will do better in BW than in color. You make a good point though: processing a monochromatic file is not as flexible as transforming a color file into a BW in a sophisticated image-processing program. One has to know one's tools, their pros and cons and use them for what they can do best. From the description of the way you work you should stick a a Bayer sensor and a BW conversion.

@kubowich 2 года назад

Is that a Summarit 35 or maybe 50?

@mattisulanto 2 года назад

Please watch the video, it's all there. Start at 4:50😀

@powderedtoastman3093 2 года назад

What I don’t like about these monochrom cameras is the having to expose for the highlights all the time. Shooting film you don’t have to have this limitation because it’s beautiful if they are slightly blown due to the tones being balanced.. digital it looks like a mess when highlights are out

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

??? "it's beautiful if they are slightly blown" WTF in two sentences you contradict yourself.... !!! If so (it's beautiful if the highlights are slightly blown") why bother exposing for the highlights with a monochrome camera, just blow the highlights away "because it's beautiful". On a more serious note all it takes is set the exposure compensation between -1 and -2. That easy.

@vaska00762 3 года назад

I have a Leica CL film camera (I know there's a new Leica CL APS-C L-Mount camera) and it's really neat to use, but many purists would call it "not a real Leica" because it's made in Japan by Minolta. It's still cool given the fact that it's full manual, and the fact that I have to use a light metering app to know what exposure settings to use... it's probably less interesting as a camera than the Minolta CLE which had auto-shutter effectively giving the camera aperture priority exposure, but it needed a battery to function - the CL is basically clockwork. Regardless... the camera came with a Leitz Summicron-C 40mm f/2 and an Elmar-C 90mm f/4, and the viewfinder only has frame lines for 40/50/90, but I've been looking into 3rd party lenses for M-Mount and there are reasonably priced competing lenses out there. The first is Voigtländer, who do make a good variety of lenses for M-Mount, not forgetting their own Bessa line of rangefinders that are M-Mount. Then there's Zeiss and the ZM line of lenses, which are priced probably in line with Zeiss' Touit APS-C lenses, but that's still a great deal cheaper than Leica lenses, and at the great advantage that Zeiss optics are great, no matter what system you're using.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing. I know the CL, both film and digital😀, but have only used the digital version. The film CL looks like a really neat compact rangefinder and quite rare too these days.

@vaska00762 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto Yeah, the CL is surprisingly nice to use. I do find it strange that the CL was made in an era when Leica wanted to sell more cameras and lenses, and entered into a deal with Minolta to outsource construction of a camera that'd be cheaper and appeal to a wider market. Well... the idea worked, but I suspect Leica probably found that the CL outsold M cameras. Regardless... I do find that is possible to enjoy M-Mount rangefinders at a reasonable budget, and I think more people should know about it. Ultimately, making photography more affordable can only be a good thing, as it introduces more people into photography as a hobby, and maybe even a profession.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

@@vaska00762 The CL came out while Leica was selling the M5, which was a failure. I understand Leica discontinued the CL because it was too successful and people preferred it more than the M5. Then they introduced the M6 and quit the CL. It probably didn't go exactly like that, but thereabouts😀

@vaska00762 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto yeah, I understand that in killing the CL, Minolta produced the CLE as a successor model, complete with autoexposure. Minolta also made a variety of M-Rokkor lenses for the CL and later the CLE. They're hard to find, but still highly sought after. It'll be interesting to see what Leica make for their "new" film camera, but given the price it's going to be sold at, I'm not sure if Leica understands the market for the current "film revival" (which is mostly young people buying used cameras from flea markets, eBay and thrift stores).

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

1-The Leica CL also uses a battery for its light-meter so an independent light-meter may not be necessary unless the CL light-meter is broken (which happens). The batteries are not common anymore and you may need to get an adapter in order to use more recent batteries for it. In terms of even more reasonably priced M-mount lenses you should look into 7artisans and TTArtisan. Both are Chinese brand names, the build quality is remarkable for the price. TTArtisan does slightly better the 7artisans, their 35 mm f 1.4 (a perfect 35 mm summilux look-alike) and 75 mm f 1.25 are remarkable for the price.

@thomasmenzel165 3 года назад

Hei Matti, missä on tämä Leica flagshipstore Helsingissä? En löydän sen verkosta. Kiitos ja terveisiä Loimaalta!

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Rajala Postitalo.

@thomasmenzel165 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto Kiitos - no ne pojat kyllä tunnen.....

@anbar5675 3 года назад

My first (and last) Leica was the M4-P with Summicron 50mm f2 in the 90s. Construction and mechanical quality was great and also the rendering of the lens was excellent.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing.

@Lordvader330 3 года назад

Cool video. For $10 grand I can get the entire olympus line! Lol

@TheVFXbyArt 3 года назад

1) monochrome only sensor 2) only digital camera on the planet with the correct micro lens designed sensor to use 60 Years of leica glass correctly 3)hand assembled by first world laborers, vs third world that are controlled by an authoratative regime. 4) unique sensor design makes it very good in low light. 5) the lenses retain their value as, again, the leica M mount is unchanged. Meanwhile, Olympus is gone, with their cameras destined to landfill. Thats what $10G gives you!

@Lordvader330 3 года назад

@@TheVFXbyArt cool still a waste of money. You proved nothing. its never the camera its the shooter. I can get the same picture with an Iphone. Also less than $10,000

@TheVFXbyArt 3 года назад

@@Lordvader330 iphones are great. Also a great class in composition. But i say again. Leicas are assembled by first world laborers in a social democratic country. Iphones are built in by near slave laborers that don’t even have the freedom to commit suicide, run by an autocratic regime that knows how to keep their people in check. Leicas are also full frame with a huge lens library. You can get them used as their durability makes them last fir a fraction of what they were used. Comparing to an iphone is no real argument, as you can also argue for the price, leicas have no cellular antennas or app library or computational photography software. But thats not why you get a leica, or a fuji or canon.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

@@Lordvader330 Give a jeweller a hammer or a spade and see what he/she does with it to repair your necklace, watch... ;o) yes the tools also matter. It is ridiculous to think that anyone with a Trabant can compete in an F1 race. But I see your point and I would reformulate it this way: not everyone needs or knows how to best use an F1 car. Professionals in any field will do better with the best tools; it is simple and reasonable to say so, don't you think? Have you looked at the budget for medium format cameras, it is far superior to that for a Leica M? Still many professional do not think these are a waste of money.

@peterhelenius7614 3 года назад

Nice shot at construction site.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Thanks.

@29jug11 3 года назад

My LUMIX GX9 in the...M. L. MONO MODE can equal that.... except it isn’t full frame...........

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

No it cannot. You visibly only know your GX9 and have never used either a Leica M digital or the one you are trying to compare, a Leica M10 monochrome. These are not "toys" as you may understand.

@29jug11 2 года назад

@@BrunoChalifour I have used my friend’s Leica M10 …. Obviously because it is full frame, the results could be enlarged greatly without as much loss… but my images up to A3 would reproduce just fine…. Look on Ephotozine, for my portfolio…. Screen name Hobbo… I am a more than keen Street Photographer… my lens is a LUMIX/Leica.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

@@29jug11 Hi Toy Maker, The M10 Monochrom and the M10 are two very different cameras: different sensor,s different software, so I do not think that the glance you had at your friend's camera has anything to do with the M10 mono experience and results. Have you tried to take the same image with your GX9 and your friend's M10 on a A3 sheet of paper, that alone would be helpful for a true comparison if you ever wanted to really compare those two cameras. (if you did, please share the results). Now the advantages of a 40 Mp monochrome 2020 full-frame sensor go far beyond what the GX9 can do. I have used GF and GX cameras with several Leica-signed lenses too but in terms of definition, dynamic range, and noiseless high ISOs the M10 mono is a totally different league, a league of its own in fact. Now up to 400 ISO and if you do not print your images bigger than A3, I agree with you, the GXes are neat camera. Small with small lenses (compared to DSLRs or Leica Ms), very convenient while traveling. But on a A3+ the difference between the GX9 and the Leica M10 mono is simply obvious and it gets more and more obvious if you print bigger. Now in terms of using 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 ISO there is definitely no point in comparing the two cameras, they do not play in the same league either. As far as far as street photography is concerned, and I have done that for decades, a Leica M is definitely the best camera to use because of its optical viewfinder (and its absence of autofocus as well as a clearly engraved depth of field scale on the lenses which makes using hyperfocal distance easy and beats any autofocus system). PS : I tried to look for your images in Ephotozine but without a direct link it is as easy as looking for a needle in a hay-stack. I tried though. All the best.

@VladimirKorsun 3 года назад

8K 60fps? No? Sad...

@RamonLinares 3 года назад

I am not going to criticize this, if I had the money I am stupid enough to buy it... But, wouldn't it make more sense to just directly shoot with film?

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Film is a different media and not suitable for everyone or every situation.

@RamonLinares 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto My point was that maybe a good portion of the people that is attracted to this Leica is because of the 'retro' experience that it delivers - manual focus, range finder, black and white... - so maybe they will be very well served going 'full retro' and shoot film instead. But I agree with you, film is a different medium with many challenges that I am so happy to have left behind...

@robertstacy8438 3 года назад

@@RamonLinares Film is chemicals for processing which are really not that great environmentally. I am not looking for a retro experience - but I do prefer and gravitate to black and white. It's the constraint of the process that I am attracted to.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

1- 35 mm film or even medium format film would not give you the definition you get with the M10 mono. So different and lesser tools. 2-You would have to buy film, chemicals and would probably end up scanning your results. More expenses, more time wasted, for worse results, why? 3-Have you ever heard of any film that records light at 12800 ISO with little grain/noise?

@johnjon1823 3 года назад

OMG Godzilla at 8:20 and NO telephoto to get a good shot! Is the photographer still even alive!

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

No Godzilla and I'm still alive. Just some noise from a nearby construction site. Very mundane after all😀

@jimmason8502 3 года назад

And for $10,000 the images that come out of the M10 mono look no better than the B&W images from my $500 Fuji XT1.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

That kind of a comment is very common, but I don’t think it’s so straightrorward. I think it’s more about which camera you like to use, not just about the image quality. The Fuji is probably the best camera for you, the Leica is the best for someone else.

@powderedtoastman3093 3 года назад

I have used Fujifilm cameras since the X-T1 release. The Acros mode is beautiful and the lenses are easily best in price range. I am extremely lucky to be due inheritance money and still will buy this camera - Leica experience and lenses alone are reasons why people love them. The lenses have a look no other brand can replicate. Fujifilm and other Japanese lenses the the Japanese look. Leica has always been the best. But one thing that really has me on the fence at the moment is Leicas absolutely horrible turn around times for service. If you ever have an issue with lens or rangefinder calibration you are looking at 3-6 months which is an absolute disgrace considering the cost of the items. Many have said they have been without cameras for ridiculous time frames on all forums. This puts a sour taste in my mouth considering all Japanese manufacturers can have a device back in maximum 3 weeks

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

In order to make such a comment you would have to look at prints under the same light. On a RU-vid channel screen such comparisons are ludicrous. In order to be able to compare whichever two objects wouldn't it be reasonable to have used both under the same conditions? Otherwise what's the point? Reassure yourself that your XT-1 is a good camera? Of course it was in its category and time but you are comparing it with a full-frame sensor and a technology that is at least 5 years more advanced. What do you expect?

@PeterVlutters 3 года назад

Matti don‘t you believe a Full Frame Version of the GX8 would make The Leica M series obsolete while that camera Would miss the dot would be much much better than any Leica M or Q❓ Second question if there really was a Lumix SX8 and GOD was still alive wouldn’t his Divine Highness Henri Cartier Bresson preferred that Lumix SX8 over any Leica ❓😉

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

You have many hypothetical questions there😀

@PeterVlutters 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto Must be the 🍷 At Easter Lunch😉

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

@@PeterVlutters Enjoy.

@PeterVlutters 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto Will Do and you enjoy to!

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

1-since 1932 HCB always used Leicas so I think he would still be using one (probably offered by Leica ;o) [in fact the code name that Leica gave to the first M Monochrom was "Henri") 2-Making one digital full-frame rangefinder is one thing (just the rangefinder is not a cheap item) then designing a whole series of lenses (to maintain the compactness of camera+lens and compete with Leica) for it is another matter. I think even Sony seems to be giving up on his full-frame mirrorless compact camera.

@1957PLATO 3 года назад

Seems like a unique camera in more ways than one. Only for the rich and famous snobs, I think. The photo’s look really contrasty.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Many photographers work with these cameras, but of course there are may Leica collectors too.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

It is not the rich and famous who have made Leica what it is but "real" photographers. Check the Magnum agency out of pure curiosity as well as in order to have an informed opinion.

@1957PLATO 2 года назад

@@BrunoChalifour no need to become condescending. I know who shot with Leica.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

@@1957PLATO Well then why did you pretend not to remember it and began the whole "condescending thing" with: "Only for the rich and famous snobs, I think."? I do not understand.

@1957PLATO 2 года назад

@@BrunoChalifour It’s called sarcasm.

@hedydd2 3 года назад

Retired dentists are the main market for this camera. Everyone else has more sense and have less money to waste. For a tiny fraction of the price you could get a Lumix GX9 or Sony A7, or Fuji rangefinder. The thing that Leica did right was and is their marketing.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Maybe, but they are alive and kicking. Just recently one legendary manufacturer gave up their camera business and their cameras were much more affordable than Leica's. If you only want a cheap camera, there are plenty of those available, of course.

@hedydd2 3 года назад

@@mattisulanto You have answered the question right there. It costs Leica not much more to produce a camera than any other, say twice due to relatively low production volumes. So they charge between eight and ten times as much per camera for less features. The profit margin must be at least five times what other make over variable costs if not fixed costs including overheads. They basically make profits where others more concerned with market share but without the cache make little or even less than nothing, having to compete in a declining market on price.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

@@hedydd2 Yes, it goes pretty much like that. Leica users are also loyal and don't switch brands often or easily.

@robertstacy8438 3 года назад

@@hedydd2 The study of price elasticity is a wondrous thing. I know everyone likes to delude themselves with the retired dentists are the only people who buy Leica and there is no doubt a certain contingent of customer who sees having the camera is a status symbol, like a Louis Vuitton bag. Nevertheless, a lot of photographers, myself included, buy them and use them daily. As the video states, the viewfinder of the Leica is a dividing experience, as are the cameras, their perceived value, the lenses - everything about Leica really. For me, Leica's constraints are its benefits. Also, though I did not expect this when I first started using them, Leica has brought me in contact with so many great photographers whom I have met on the street - because either they or I have asked about their camera. Now that sounds idiotic, but I have started some great collaborations because of this. I like being part of that community.

@marleenvandam6931 3 года назад

Rent one and speak then!

@andreasrochow5170 3 года назад

I am convinced that this snobbish camera will appeal especially to the seriously wealthy collector. The cult of the German brand name Leica has long since lost its home and its content. The real black-and-white photo artist still distinguished between pan- and orthochromatic film emulsions and could use color filters to influence color contrasts. Today, every digital photographer can creatively design black-and-white works of art and is vastly superior to the Leica M10 owner. An aberration that, like every aberration, will be short. - But thank you for reviewing us the totally overpriced and anyway "disabled" camera!

@MB-or8js 3 года назад

I agree that the M10 value and of Leica in general is no longer even closely representative to the technical value of the gear. I do a lot of B&W shooting, but still prefer film for this purpose. The digital monochrome Leica cameras are suitable tools if sb can't easily develop films on his/her own or doesn't want to bother with film in general. The main difference to a std digital M camera is that the removed Bayer pattern on the sensor gives you an additional stop in low light situations. The M10-M additionally offers very high ISO - if you need it (I don't).

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

I think you are not quite understanding what a monochrome camera produces and the similarities between it and a film camera using BW film. Moreover your view of "real" BW photographers might be slightly outdated (some, not that many, still use film but a lot use digital and I would not be surprised if this was the majority of "real BW photographers" now. The M10 Monochrom is the third monochrome camera that Leica has produced in 12 years so it is not just a fad. I know a lot of "real" photographers that do use Monochrom Leicas (even some Magnum members). Now if you look at the price of medium format digital cameras you will see that either they play in the same space or they are far more expensive and they are not collectors' items. The definition of the M10 mono is such that it can easily compete with 50 Mp medium format cameras (with a far greater portability and greater choice of lenses, except for zooms of course). I would be curious to know who still produces orthochromatic film (fewer and fewer that is for sure), how available this film now is and who uses it. Scientific use may be but I doubt that "real BW photographers" do in numbers. Color filters are also used on an M10 mono as it only records light intensities exactly as BW film does.

@WhoIsSerafin 3 года назад

Leica is like buying a Rolex watch you don't buy it because it tells time any better than your Casio.

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

This is an oversimplification that do not really work. A Leica is a tool used by many professionals for the quality of its lenses and the images it produces, not just a flashy piece of jewellery.

@WhoIsSerafin 2 года назад

@@BrunoChalifour it’s not, it’s competition of many camera makers are tools with all having excellent lenses for professionals also.

@rendermanpro 3 года назад

"Special" camera for "special" people. Next camera that shot only black pictures for $20K...

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

Phaseone has a monochrome digital back or maybe it has been discontinued, but it was in that ballpark😀 I shot gray too, though.

@catrionathomson8981 3 года назад

Followed by the $100K model that can only be used on the moon...

@cyborgchimpy 3 года назад

wait, its a digital camera but it only shoots black/white?..............thats kinda weird. halfway through the video :)) might edit the comment

@cyborgchimpy 3 года назад

I have to admit the tones are really beautiful and the images are really sharp. but I dunno, it doesnt really rub the right way for me for some reason. that high of a price for the limitations it comes with..eh.

@JonackFilm 3 года назад

No one would buy this camera when son would have Release it.

@mattisulanto 3 года назад

That's why Sony doesn't make these😀

@BrunoChalifour 2 года назад

Well get informed. Sony released a full-frame RX1 years before Leica released its Q and Q2 - 1-the RX1 was not really cheap when it came out, 2- the Q and Q2 have outsold the RX1 by far. So no: Sony tried to beat Leica at its game and failed.