LENNOX • Fall From Grace To Leak King

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LENNOX has gone down hill over the last 25-30 years. The leak I found in the evaporator coil was extreme and was not part of the scope of work I was there to perform but I wanted the job completed.
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@jasonjohnsonHVAC Месяц назад

Real world HVAC....the way it should be shown. Thanks for sharing Rick

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Right on! Thanks Jason!

@MikeB9771 Месяц назад

Doesn't have to be pretty or perfect, it just needs to work. Thats what most customers care about. So if it holds then you're the hero.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks Mike! In the end you’re correct.

@stevenmoomey2115 Месяц назад

Love how the belt is inline with the Distribution Spider, so is the belt peels, it will rip the expansion valve spider out.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

That’s thinking ahead for part replacement. 😂

@bradmironik6137 Месяц назад

This fix wasn't a beauty contest, but it works. The number of hours spent on the repair still has to be less than another coil. What's strange are the multiple leaks in a small section. Thanks Rick.

@joshua.sookoor2025 Месяц назад

Hi Rick great video as always, I remember Lennox units being the best but the quality has been reduced now

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

The follow up video was just released.

@jaymartin5095 Месяц назад

You are the furthest thing from a hack. You are a real mechanic fixing others' messes. Too many guys would run away from that challenge. My hat is off to you. Would have been easy not to post that one, but it needed to be. Thank you

@jaymartin5095 Месяц назад

I should have said a real master mechanic.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks Jay, your awsome!

@davidsanders6957 Месяц назад

People don't understand how FREAKIN EXPENSIVE things can get, then replacement is even worse !!!

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Exactly. It’s just crazy talk.

@OnePointLander Месяц назад

Heres a trick that may or may not work for you next time on leaks thats spread along a tube section. Take a 1/2 inch copper tube and fillet it. Roll it on and squeeze it back on over the leaking 3/8 and braze the ends and the slit shut.

@shifter8207 Месяц назад

Cool idea I may have to try that. On 3/8 tubing I was able to lightly cut it with a hacksaw blade by hand and remove the bad section and use two 1/2 by 3/8 bushings with a piece of tubing

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Normally I can skim coat it but this was Swiss cheese. I’ve seen people do it, I’ve also heard of using copper wire and wrapping the tube then braze it.

@ImZyluxOG Месяц назад

Why the fuck….. HAVE I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I thought the same thing when the guy told me that last week. 😁✌️

@jonwalborn8509 Месяц назад

The Quality of materials is disgusting anymore. I feel sorry for the customers that doesn't have technicians that try to repair these overpriced cheap made parts. Good fix, you saved them thousands.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thank you!

@paulb4496 Месяц назад

Browning belts stretch worse than any other belt. Gates and Continental are my favorites. I really appreciate your videos !

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Interesting, I always thought browning was good stuff, there are a big company with lots of products.

@paulb4496 Месяц назад

@HVACRSurvival I am a Preventative Maintenance Technician for a 150 employee Commercial HVAC contractor. I do Maintenance on Trane Intellipak and other brand Boxcar units. Marley and Baltimore Aircoil (B.A.C.) cooling towers. I was an Appliance repairman for 27 years and got burned out on being a Service Technician. I enjoy your videos. You go above and beyond and are conscientious and have Integrity. The company I work for is a Christian company and treat me very well. Keep making the great videos! You are a really good Technician and remember "Nobody loves the repairman ".

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

@paulb4496 thanks man! I’m a believer and so are the owners of the company I work for. I feel you, it’s the same thing somewhere else, I’ve moved around and this has been the best place for the last 10 years.

@RJMaker Месяц назад

'Back in the day', when copper wasn't paper thin we would re-rout leaking tube to the exterior of the coil. Didn't look pretty but got the system back on-line, with little capacity loss. Those days are loooong gone. IMO, you did a fantastic job getting it done brother!

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

What you’re describing is what I did on a small R290 system but this one here I couldn’t get to the tubes to pull them apart very easily. After Watching the video a few times since then, I could’ve unhooked that capillary tube coming in and then pulled the elbow off the line coming back and then pressurized it to find out which tubes going to the next tube and reattached the capillary tube there but there’s always a chance something would’ve went wrong like I said I was so behind on getting everything else finished…it was just get it done at that point. I appreciate the support.!

@karizmatic5 Месяц назад

My heart sank when I saw all that. But you did what needed to be done for what was right for the customer. Aces, my friend.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks brother!

@elBusDriverKC Месяц назад

I pull those blower assemblies out a lot to rebuild them. A two person job for sure (though I have done it alone). I use a small jig that lets me take the motor off first so it doesn't contribute to the overall weight of the assembly. They are a pain for sure. I remember when Lennox used to make descent RTUs back in the late 90s. I still service a lot of these 'C Box' sized units from that time. Changed plenty of compressors. Leaks on those units are more rare than today. Today it's all this reheat crap and extra coils which make it impossible half the time to track and fix a leak. We can only do what we can do. Keep up the good work sir.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I appreciate all that info! Thanks for watching!

@EverythingHVACR Месяц назад

Nice job, Rick! Real world repairs 👏

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks, Steve. I appreciate it!

@2packs4sure Месяц назад

Man I feel so sorry for you guys these days,, back in my day in the 1980s,, 90s,, and early two thousands,,, the quality of most equipment was good if not excellent and we didn't have to deal with this kind of insanity... In my last few years in the early 2000's I did start running into it with new equipment though..

@Patrick-hq7sq Месяц назад

I feel you pain think most coils are junk now I have to delete a pass on a 2 year old Trenton evaporator coil

@Ted_E_Bear Месяц назад

Rick, I think you are so passionate about doing great work !

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I appreciate that!

@justicerefrigerationcallth1576 Месяц назад

Use a dremel with a cutting wheel to cut those fins out. Good job!

@stevenmoomey2115 Месяц назад

From the late 80’s to the late 90’s Lennox had Rooftops, that cracked the Compressor Discharge line at the same place on every unit for over Ten years, putting two simple 45 bends and a little extra pipe solved the problem, Lennox wouldn’t make the modification. Ditto for a particular York Rooftop unit. BTW, every hot gas reheat design I came across had major problems, related to the reheat.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Good to know on the reheat. I don’t remember the discharge issue.

@user-hj5le6lo9w Месяц назад

Great video! Nice change of attack. I’ve dealt with seals blowing out and packings occasionally leaking on my C and D depressors and core removers. Once I discovered the Appion valves I’ve never gone back to my C and D ones. The Appions are also vacuum rated. Kinda feels like I turned my back on an old friend! 😂

@thelol1759 Месяц назад

Thanks for posting! These types of difficult repairs are the most interesting in my opinion.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

You are welcome!

@johnwalker890 Месяц назад

Big thumbs up Rick, Everything is hunky dorrie........

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

😜😂🤣👍

@shifter8207 Месяц назад

Great work Rick, I’ve had battles trying to fix leaks on a couple 5 tonne units the same vintage you’re working on and ultimately they needed new coils. Pretty embarrassing that Lennox has these type of expensive repairs consistently

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing! I agree, it’s poor quality control across the board

@schmitty99 Месяц назад

Sweet video Rick. Inspiring me to go be a great tech!

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

You can do it! Just got to want it 👍👍

@stephenbullock-yn3vh Месяц назад

Great work rick 👍✌️

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks 👍

@helmsajr Месяц назад

Not a Lennox fan my self Rick.Great job has always.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thank you!

@HughesManHVAC Месяц назад

I have to get a couple of those Appion core depressors, Nice job Rick!

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I just got two more and the newest version has magnets on the end. Thanks, Ryan for checking it out.

@sprockkets Месяц назад

I like my appion, but the new fieldpiece looks interesting with a sightglass.

@10minutenewhampshirebreak77 Месяц назад

What really sucks is that coil will have to be replaced eventually, the other tubes are going to fail. There’s going to be trouble for Lennox , they have a lot of pissed off customers.

@brnmcc01 Месяц назад

That's a bummer, because I've been finding a lot of Trane Voyager leaks from units like 10 years old. I've had good luck with Lennox package units over the years, not very many leaks, but I feel bad now I took out a 12.5 ton Trane Voyager in 2021 because the coil had bad leaks, and the heat exchanger was getting pretty rusty. You know, the telltale 3 big streaks of rust from all three exhaust ports, plus the unit was just generally in bad shape. I replaced it with a new Lennox 13 ton unit, it was more of I thought Lennox was good, and they had a unit in stock that someone had ordered in 2021 and cancelled the order. There was no Trane or American standard units in stock anywhere, this was like right after the worst of the Covid shutdowns. So far that Lennox unit is running good, the factory belt didn't hardly make it thru the first year, but I've been replacing it with a better brand every year and it's been fine so far. I don't think it has any leaks (yet) we'll see. I think the unit has a microchannel condenser coil, I think the evap looks like this one. The only thing I didn't like was, they didn't cut any of the ziptie tails in the electrical compartment at the factory, it looked horrible so I clipped them all. The other thing I didn't like was they went to garbage black plastic door latch handles, why in the world did they do that? Surely the die cast aluminum handles aren't expensive? And I have one customer with 3 old Lennox units from like the early 2000's that are still running, one has a dead compressor (and that circuit has no gas left in it) so I just disconnected, and reassigned compressor 3 to be first stage instead of #2. So first stage cool call energizes #1, and #3, and 2nd stage turns on #4. The board doesn't know any better if a compressor is running or not. One thing I do like about the new Lennox units is the new Prodigy control, very intuitive and easy to go thru the setup, and look at error logs etc. The Prodigy 2 ones were awful, and pretty hard to navigate to things like reheat or free cooling parameters and not very intuitive to use. The old school ones like most of my customers have with the boards with the little green blinking lights have been pretty good.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

It’s hit and miss with different models.

@mfreisem7 Месяц назад

Good tips on evap repair. Thanks for your work

@FPHA697 Месяц назад

Great job Rick! Yeah that umbrella will safe your butt when raining.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

It works great for rain 👍👍

@sherwinalvarez7365 Месяц назад

Heh heh. I got the hat Chris has. It's big, but does the trick. Gotta protect yourself.

@MarkCarpenterHVAC559 21 день назад

Eyeballing the JB battery vacuum pump. Rebuilable, can use Milwaukee batteries, 120v adapter.

@HVACRSurvival 21 день назад

JB is good stuff. I bet it we’ll be a great pump.

@bills6946 Месяц назад

Hello Lennox? My evaporator coil has a hole in it. “Atta boy, Dave”. My, how they have fallen.

@mattsmith5493 Месяц назад

Get the Fieldpiece core tools!

@sterlingarcher46 Месяц назад

Refco does make very good valve depressors as well , probably not as good as the Appion though but still very good quality .

@captainron7904 Месяц назад

I have both the 5/16 and 1/4’ appion core depressors love them

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I need the 5/16 yet. But as you might know. I hate mini splits 😁😎👍✌️

@captainron7904 Месяц назад

@@HVACRSurvival that’s pretty much all I do is mini splits some DX units

@armandotorres626 Месяц назад

Unreal and sad...... Ive never seen a pipe fail so bad.....

@sheldon8115 Месяц назад

I was a little concerned but I like that pressure better

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

The heat was 85* plus in side the building, that will raise the head pressure some believe it or not.

@bugeyedwillypetfarm9625 Месяц назад

Probly for a kitchen acid in return air

@zekenzy6486 Месяц назад

Great video .Thank you for sharing

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks for watching!

@ASServices-n9o Месяц назад

I appreciate the videos a lot, I’ve always learned something from each video that has helped me in the field. I started my career doing residential and just switched up to a company that does commercial as well. Is there any certifications that you recommend getting that makes you more valuable in the HVAC/R field besides an EPA? I appreciate it

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

The only certification that I know of that was not BS was the Nate certification. You actually had to know what you were doing and it proves that you know what you were doing. The EPA certification doesn’t mean you know anything other than the Law.

@fshn76 Месяц назад

Greta video Rick. Should have my Appion core depressors tomorrow. Have been using the accutools depressors but have never been happy with them. Ha e a great weekend, whts left.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I wasn’t impressed with the accutools valve core tool. It came apart at the valve stem puller.

@ayoutubewatcher7009 Месяц назад

Typically, I’ll use. Turbo torch on coil repairs.

@brnmcc01 Месяц назад

I use a small rosebud, it has like 4 ports in the nozzle. It's short and can get into cramped spaces, and doesn't make a long flame like a turbotorch, and uses a lot less gas.

@AErefrigeration Месяц назад

You are certainly not a hack. I need a technician with your skill

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thank you! I appreciate that!

@thesilentonevictor Месяц назад

Good supertech fix Rick lol

@c21meister Месяц назад

Rick I thought all coils were oversized on purpose just in case scenarios like this happen?

@alejandrozometa1951 Месяц назад

Should I charge my landlord for changing out my Tstat to nest t stat 😂😂😂

@jonnyjonnyyespapa8013 Месяц назад

I love your rants.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I’m definitely a professional ranter / bitcher😁✌️

@per995 Месяц назад

Nice job done Rick. I used the valve opener with the two O-rings for a while and always got some bad vacuum. They are just crap, the O-rings get mauled by the threads they have to run over, what a design. What you think about the leaking condenser tubes, is it a stress related problem? Seen bobbling tubes on quite some ULT freezers by two 90 degrees bends 2 feet’s between from the compressor. The second of the 90 bend from the compressor got so much hit that it just degenerated. Small leaks but fatal on so small charges the system had.

@ayoutubewatcher7009 Месяц назад

Lennox got screwed with those coils..

@kenward9968 Месяц назад

Every Lennox unit has bad coils... very disappointing!

@lavina58 Месяц назад

Great job 😊

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thanks! 😊

@Rs0229 Месяц назад

best RU-vid channel 🔥 tool bag loadout video ? thinking of getting that mb5b!

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Yeah, I might put that beside my backpack.

@ATAKace1 Месяц назад

Those testo temp clamps look nifty with the digital screens right on em, what model are those?

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

trutechtools.com/Testo-115i-Pipe-Clamp-Thermometer-Smart-Probe-2nd-Gen

@maheradous9257 Месяц назад

Very good 👍 job

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Thank you very much!

@jeremiahjohnson8252 Месяц назад

those re heat coils are ridiculous. Is there a APR system in place? Looking to find the difference between APR & Hot gas bypass??

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Apr? Automatic pressure regulator?

@ronnie61b59 Месяц назад

That some crazy stuff

@davidsanders6957 Месяц назад

FUNNY what we do for the $$$$

@jacobmcarthur6875 Месяц назад

Where I am at all we do is lennox and its pretty bad for leaks feel bad for the customers

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I worked for a premier Lakes dealer for about 15 to 20 years. They never used to be this bad. Especially in the commercial equipment.

@gordonborsboom7460 Месяц назад

Have you tried soldering versus braze for coil repair? Thin copper makes a braze tricky. The means justify the ends in this case

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

That repair looked like crap. Normally I can do it well but between no room and just wanting it finished it didn’t work out. Soft soldier I feel is harder to repair with because the filler is so thin vs silfose.

@brnmcc01 Месяц назад

@@HVACRSurvival Yeah the problem with solder is there's no plastic phase, it's hard then suddenly turns into liquid like water. Same with like aluminum, it just suddenly turns into liquid.

@darylfortney8081 Месяц назад

Second to last thing I would want to do in life behind being a plumber is fixing hvac

@c21meister Месяц назад

Where do you guys get the cool nitro tanks from?

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

These latest ones are from a local supplier.

@bradgoodale3249 Месяц назад

Everything today is shit ffs feel sorry for you techs today.

@haydenpowell1787 Месяц назад

What do you use for jumper wires?

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I have custom ones that I made out of test leads from Fluke leads that went bad. I’ve also shown off the jumper king but most the time I’m using my custom jumpers

@wired011 Месяц назад

What brand name paint pen do you use ?

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Uni-paint. amzn.to/3A3CTiN

@topher8634 Месяц назад

Not only is the coil probably 10 grand, you aint gonna just pick one up at your local supply house. Its probably at least a 6 month lead time to have one built.

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Those are all great and valid points!

@brnmcc01 Месяц назад

@@HVACRSurvival Back in 2021, there was no evap coils in stock for 10-15 ton Trane units, and they didn't even give me a lead time.... like infinite nationwide backorder, so I had to get a 13 ton Lennox unit for this restaurant. It was a little expensive, but the good part was, I found out the original curb on the building as built in the mid 1980's had an OEM Lennox curb, so I was able to pull the old trane unit off the roof, and the stupid curb adapter that made the unit sit so high off the roof, you needed a big step ladder just to change a condenser fan motor. Now the Lennox unit sits like barely a foot off the roof, and it looks neater and much easier to get to. I just hope it doesn't get any leaks, been pretty troublefree so far, except a little shipping damage so one of the plastic door latches doesn't quite close good, so I had to put one of the 5/16" shipping screws back into the bottom of the door just to make sure it stays shut. As far as the smaller units go, the Trane Precedent or 10 tons and under units are ok. 7.5 tons I've been getting a lot of Bryant lately like for replacing old junky Carrier units. Haven't had any leaks from Bryant in a very long time, lost one compressor on one unit, but then ended up replacing it anyway. They're just simple units and no complicated computer BS on the Bryant Legacy line. Yes they're 'only' 13 seer, but just one simple furnace ignition control board, and everything else is just mechanical and contactors. Keep it simple. The newest one has this strange looking black plastic direct drive fan motor, we'll see if it lasts, but I like that it doesn't have any stupid belts on it. That fan is probably not cheap though, but the neat thing is at least it has different speeds for low cool/high cool, fan only etc.

@QsTechService1 Месяц назад

Man that umbrella with the magnet 🧲 at super awesome tool 13:40 would be useful for working on cars

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

It’s good for working in the rain too

@shifter8207 Месяц назад

What s the ranco temp controller for Rick?

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

It works with the the electronic fan speed control for low ambient control.

@shifter8207 Месяц назад

@@HVACRSurvival gotcha thanks

@Boodieman72 Месяц назад

Lipstick on a pig comes to mind :)

@UQRXD Месяц назад

Why not use 45 0r 90 degree needle nose pliers?

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

That’s an option. But that pipe was ate up more than I’ve ever seen before

@UQRXD Месяц назад

@@HVACRSurvival What does that?

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

I’m not 100% positive I would think manufacturing defect.

@danfinch3963 Месяц назад

Rick stop being a hack....this is a no hackery zone. 😉

@HVACRSurvival Месяц назад

Ok Danny boy 😜

@chap3845 Месяц назад

Those Browning torque titan belts are junk. Switch to a normal Browning belt (non X belt) or gates belt and the belts will stop "loosing themselves up." I refuse to buy those Browning X belts anymore. Was never a problem until they came out with the torque titan belts.