Common question asked: Difference between P14s AMD and T14 AMD so will paste and pin this (question from Lim Li Long below). This even got me puzzled and so I had to asked Lenovo to clarify the difference between the T14 (AMD) and P14s (AMD) so here are the differences: 1. T14 (AMD) comes in Ryzen 5 or 7 Pro where as P14s only comes in Ryzen 7 Pro. 2. T14 (AMD) graphics chip is the same as the P14s but the T14 uses AMD normal driver where as the P14s uses the AMD Pro APU driver (more on this below). 3. T14 (AMD) max RAM is 32GB (16 GB Soldered and 16GB DIMM slot) where as P14s (AMD) max RAM is 48GB (16GB Soldered and 32GB DIMM slot) Back to the P14s graphics because of the AMD Pro Driver it is ISV certifications so it will be better support and stablity by specialised Professional applications (listed ISV applications include: AutoCAD, Revit, ANSYS, MicroStation, CATIA, SolidWorks, Creo, NX, Solid Edge, ArcGIS these are some of the applications in the list) If you are interested in the AMD version please look into getting the RAM separated configuration so half soldered and half using the DIMM slot as the AMD chip will take advantage of the dual channel memory and you will see good performance gain in the graphics.
With the AMD version, Does it still use dual channel mode with 16GB soldered and 32GB in the DIMM slot or do you have to use the 16GB - 16GB configuration to get dual channel mode?
Cheers Giovanni Cappa for making through the whole video and that I didn't bore you too much. I don't like when people waste my time too so I shouldn't waste others =) thanks for the great feedback and keep healthy and safe.
really appreciate this review, it seems there are hardly any reviews for the P14s out there. myself, trying to decide between this one and the T14s/Ryzen7. Looks to me, that the benchmarks for the T14s come in a little bit higher than for the P14s Also, I love how you clearly structure your reviews with chapters and full benchmark screenshots! Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much for your great videos. I got my P14s for my PhD work after watching your review and I‘m so happy with it. Thanks and greetings from Germany!
This is what a review should be. Not just visual effects and throwing out spec numbers, but detailed analysis of a product and how it performs in an everyday setting. Thank you for doing this! Subbed.
Excellent Thank you. Very comprehensive and informative, and I have just bought the AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U version because it's on offer in the UK, and it will be ages before the 5000 series processors arrive here
Glad I was able to be assistance in your decision. Great purchase it would be the one I be going for too the AMD Ryzen 7 Pro the performance on it is fantastic, I couldn't suggestion anything else unless you don't need the speed and save some dosh then go with the Ryzen 5 version of it.
Great! Thank you. I bought it yesterday, looking forward to see what's able to do that bad guy. Thumb up + susbscribed. I really enjoy your content. Cheers from Spain!
Thanks very much Antonio on your feedback and sub, please do tell me how the laptop goes once you had time with it =) love to hear your thoughts too. G'day from Australia =).
I was also hesitating between the T14 and the P14s for the black friday in few days !! You definitely helped me choose the P14s. You video is great and comes at the right moment !! I also asked Lenovo about the differences and they said the P14s has less battery life but a better cooling and better performances on peaks. About the M.2 slot for WWAN card, do you recommend putting an SSD there ? I heard that IO speeds were terrible and these SSD were very expensive.
Great to hear I was able to provide some assistance with your decision Tchekda, the P14s does have a little less battery life but as you noted it is for better cooling and better performance on load as a workstation class. I have heard also the speeds aren't great using the WWAN card slot but it is better than having something stick out of a usb port. My first point of call of extra storage is to use the microSD card slot first.
Thank you for the feedback I have gotten a few feedback regarding my thumbnails, I will do my best to slowly work on them thank you, just matter finding the time to design something or work out what I want. I do appreciate the time your feedback Isaac =).
Great Review!! Just remove Gpu from P14s Then you get exactly T14 But T14 is already available with Gpu And P14s is also available without Gpu with R7 pro WTF.. Lenovo guys are smoking hard 😂
Great review... That colour calibration, I honestly could not notice a difference, maybe marginally with the full colour photo comparison but hey each to their own, if it helps you go for it
Great review as always. I received mine finally only to have it DOA and being returned. Fyi in your review you mentioned where the 2nd HDD can go but to be clear it's not a 2280 slot, it's a 2242 slot designed for the Wan card. Also I got the 400nits low power LCD and would recommend it to anyone buying this laptop. Great colour rendition and brightness. 100% worth the $$. I have returned it now and am rocking a C940 and absolutely loving it. 🙂
I also noticed in the video that the second M.2 slot could not be a 2280, it would never fit. Looking at the position of the bolt, it must be a 2242, as you said. But is it only capable of accepting a Wan card? Or can you actually install a second hard drive in there, if you have no need for a Wan card?
@@deltav1984 I noticed the mention of 2280 instead of 2242 as well. By the way, I think you actually can use the 2242 slot for a secondary SSD, as it's still connecting via PCIe. That said, I've no idea if there's UEFI limitations or lockouts like the Thinkpads of yesteryear (but for what it's worth the E14 Gen.2 use the 2242 slot for primary SSD!)
Just confirmed both M.2 2242 AND M.2 2280 can be populated with SSDs: the official Lenovo manual includes instructions to install/replace the "long M2 solid-state drive" and the "short M.2 solid-state drive" download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t14_t15_p14s_p15s_ug_en.pdf
I received my P14s two days ago and I can also confirm. Note 1: You can install a 2242 in the 2280 slot using an extension adaptor (which will extend the length of the 2242 drive to 80mm. Note 2: The primary (2280) slot is a PCIE x3 slot, so maximum 3 lanes. The secondary WWAN (2242) slot is a PCIE X2 slot, so it uses only 2 lanes! Note 3: The primary slot only accepts M-key drives. The secondary slot only accepts B-key drives. So if your Thinkpad arrives with a 2242 drive in the primary slot, you cannot put it in the secondary slot. It won't fit. Note 4: The connector of the secondary WWAN slot is soldered very close to the mainboard. So be careful when buying a drive for this slot. There are drives that have chips on both sides. Those will not fit (too thick). The only drives that I can confirm will fit are the Western Digital SN520 drives. There may be from other brands, I do not know. What I do know is that the Sabrent Rocket 2242 drives won't fit (M-key).
@@BsianTech Does your T14 R7 have the dedicated graphics? I don't know why, but I'm disappointed to learn they share the same chassis. Maybe it's because I was hoping the P14s would have better ventilation & cooling (another fan). It DEFINITELY should have had 2 RAM slots, smh!
@@e.l.876 Both the T14 R7 and P14s R7 don't have discrete graphics both are using the intergated graphics but the 3D graphics performance on it is pretty amazing nearly similar as the Quadro P520 in the Intel version. Just make sure the RAM configuration is using both soldered to system board and DIMM slot to get the dual channel as AMD take advantage of that feature.
Our company uses the AMD model for AutoCAD and I gotta say it bogs up on us a whole lot. Granted we're working with big files sometimes and we have 16 GB of RAM not 48, but coming from the Dell Precision 5550 (our previous work laptop), I much preferred the Dell laptop IMO
Dubitz, not trying to be a fanboi of AMD but would it be the processor that causing the issue of slowness or freezing in your project files or would it be the amount of RAM isn't enough? Might be worth investigating with the IT department to ask for another stick of 16GB in one of your laptops (shouldn't be hard to install the extra stick of RAM) to see if the slowness/freezing in autocad can be fixed if you are working with large project files.
Because Lenovo prices are nuts, the T14s costs hundreds more here in Spain. They are so similar that I'd suggest you customise both to your liking and decide based on the price, unless you need that certification thing.
The P14s and T14 are identical, except for processor configuration and price. For me, the P14s was cheaper and only had the Ryzen 7 processor, so I went with that.
Great review! Considering buying the P14s for my engineering studies and cad work and hoping it will last long time. Do you have any recommendations on making this computer last? Thanks!
Thanks very much Anton, this will be good for your engineering studies as that is the intended target audience this laptop is for. As for making this computer last, I personally ThinkPads just last, I have come across too many old Thinkpads which are many years old and still in use. Recommendations on making this computer last isn't the hardware issue its usually software issues, just use common sense and be careful on sites/emails and installing unknown software. My first advice is once you made a good base working environment with the software you usually use, get Windows save a recovery state of that point of time so you can go back to it later if things goes south.
The video quality looks good in my opinion, looked better with your studio lights off after it auto adjusted. Audio not too bad, again I've heard much worse
Your channel is amazing! Thank you so much for your great reviews. One question: I am buying a T14s Ryzen 7 (and waiting for it to be delivered). Considering that the P14s and T14s share the same chassis, do you think the thermals will be the same? I am no computer expert but for me it seems that 40 degrees on the keyboard at 20% work load is very hot. What do you think? I have a 5-years old Dell XPS 13 and the thermals are the worst thing in the world. That's actually why I am buy a new laptop. Thank you for your time and effort! Keep up the great work!
Hi Moamen Gouda, thanks for the wonderful feedback and dropping me a comment. I do have the T14 R7 tested but not the T14s R7. I will try put that T14 R7 review up just doing some testing on more laptops and finding the time to edit the video together. Just to let you know that both P14s, T14, T14s pretty much all same chassis, the thermals are very similar. For my test on temperatures I do run the computer on constant workload for good 15mins before I do a measurement so that gives enough time for the temperature to stablise. When I find the hottest area of the keyboard the measurement taken I usually try aim for between the keys (the spacing area of the keys) knowing that is the hottest area but you won't normally touch that area much and it's only for very few fraction of second when you type on the keys. I also know that being 40 degrees at the keyboard on pretty low load is consider hot but that's due to the fan barely spinning up and again it's constant load, if you are browsing web and doing office productivity like word or excel this be much much lower due to the work load is in quick burst or at 5-10% processor load and barely any hard drive activity load which I also stress at the 20% load test at a constant load. I think you will find the thermals on this better plus the 10th Gen Intel run a lot cooler too. I hope this help you.
New subscriber. Love your channel. Quick question: Are you sure this is 4lbs/1.83kg? According to the Lenovo website, the P14s start at 1.47KG so I'm curious to know where the extra weight is coming from (just curious, 1lb is a small difference).
Thanks shreyaschronoz and I appreciate the support, hopefully will be able to continue to give good information to you in the future. As for the weight sorry I forgot to add the text or say it is the weight with the power adapter as I know the spec sheets tell you the weight of the laptop already. The combine weight is what a lot of people carry around with them usually of the people I deal with.
Thanks for the excellent review. I'm actually considering the AMD version of this machine. My workloads are typically programming on Visual Studio and running local databases such as MSSQL and light casual gaming, so thinking I won't actually need the Quadro graphics. Just puzzled what could be the difference between the T14(AMD) and P14s (AMD)..... able to advise on it? Also, will you be able to test out the battery conservation mode as well? I currently have a X390 that is issued by my company and that model seems to suffer from a battery drain issue when the battery conservation mode is turned on and even though the laptop has been constantly plugged in. Really hope that the issue is just isolated and does not happen on the P14s. Thanks!
Hi Lim Li Long, thanks for the feedback and for the fantastic question. This even got me puzzled and so I had to asked Lenovo to clarify the difference between the T14 (AMD) and P14s (AMD) so here are the differences: 1. T14 (AMD) comes in Ryzen 5 or 7 Pro where as P14s only comes in Ryzen 7 Pro. 2. T14 (AMD) graphics chip is the same as the P14s but the T14 uses AMD normal driver where as the P14s uses the AMD Pro APU driver (more on this below). 3. T14 (AMD) max RAM is 32GB (16 GB Soldered and 16GB DIMM slot) where as P14s (AMD) max RAM is 48GB (16GB Soldered and 32GB DIMM slot) Back to the P14s graphics because of the AMD Pro Driver it is ISV certifications so it will be better support and stablity by specialised Professional applications (listed ISV applications include: AutoCAD, Revit, ANSYS, MicroStation, CATIA, SolidWorks, Creo, NX, Solid Edge, ArcGIS these are some of the applications in the list) As for the your use for sure look into the AMD version of this and make sure you get the P14s AMD with soldered and DIMM RAM slow so that dual channel is used as this will see performance gains for the AMD graphics. I will be trying to get a hold on the P14s AMD so I can do some testing and review myself and I will test out the battery life on it if I get my hands on it. I hope my answer helps in your search mate =).
Hi@@BsianTech, thanks for the additional info and advise. I will be getting configuring it with 32GB RAM (16+16) and with the FHD Touchscreen. Would it be possible to test out if the laptop battery drains even though the adapter is constantly plugged in? Wonder if this issue is present on the current P14s (Intel) or if Lenovo has fixed it as I'm currently experiencing it with the Thinkpad X390 that my company has issued me and Lenovo is still struggling to fix it (been at least 4 months and counting). Steps: 1. Charge the battery to full (100%) 2. Activate "Charge Threshold" in the Lenovo Vantage software (set threshold to 55-60%) 3. Battery Mode set to "Best Performance" 4. Run some work loads on the laptop for say an hour or two 5. See if the battery % drops to below 100% 6. Repeat the same but this time set the battery mode to "Better Performance" **Laptop to be plugged in to the adapter at all times. Thanks.
No worries I will give your steps ago on the units I have here and see if charging is an issue that still drains the battery. We normally have these laptops connected to the Ultra dock but that supplies more than the 65W the supplied adapter. Your configuration looks to be very ideal for the task you be performing. Atm I don't have affiliate link for Singapore site but I just checked the affiliate lenovos sites and looks they now have added a few more Lenovo countries websites to their program and Singapore is one of them, I have applied for it but don't see them approving me for the next 3-4 days so if you are in a hurry please don't delay your order for my affiliate link as that isn't really a guarantee if Lenovo Singapore approve me.
Hi @@BsianTech , pity you don't have the affiliate link for Singapore yet.... will have to check when the current promotional price is until. This week there was a $100 price drop as compared to last week and I'm surprisingly able to get it configured for just over SGD$1800. Guess its a bargain for the P-Series? For the battery drain, testing with a 90W might not be ideal test as the out of box is either a 45W or 65W. I have tested using both 45W and 65W. The 45W is significantly more noticeable.... draining from 100% to 60% within 4-6hrs with the laptop set to "Better Performance". 65W is still able to sustain, dropping 2% every 8-12hrs. But on "Best Performance", it is very quick for both adapter types.
I have the Thinkpad P43s (the predecessor to the P14s), and it has horrible thermal problems. Any use at all would result in temps well above 90 degrees and excessive thermal throttling (and it never recovered, even when it got back down to a reasonable temperature). It is interesting to see that this laptop performs better. I wonder if the thermal solution was changed or if I had a defective unit.
Hi, I'm about to get de T14 with 10th gen I7 BUT I added a dedicated GPU (Nvidia GeForce MX330).. so between this and the P14s AMD ryzen 7.. which one would you go for when using Revit and other ISV applications plus a bit of V-ray rendering?
Hey It seems the t14 has a lot of heating issues. And especially with that dedicated GPU I think it’s only getting worse. I wanted to buy one this Black Friday but read it on reddit and thought it’s better back out until Lenovo makes a few tweaks. Or else I’m thinking of going with the p14s. After watching this review. What do you reckon ?
@@shibillkhadri1937 Yep, i´ve been reading all about heating now.. thanks for the warning, there wasnt a lot of reviews on the t14. I'm back to p43s, it's an older model but... better. thanks!
My thoughts is go with the P14s with the AMD the speed is way quicker over all even though the 3D graphics is only slightly slower than the Quadro P520, yet it still has the ISV certification for the application you are using. As for heating issue aye there a few comments on this, hoping that its a matter of BIOS update to try get the fan to spin faster as far as I am concern a professional laptop is allow to have a little bit more noise as we understand it gain a bit more performance for that.
Nice! A little confusing because you changed from 250nits non-touch to 300nits touch version. Just to be clear, 250nits version is not touchscreen right?
I own this laptop and am very happy with it - apart from the trackpad... its by miles the worst ive ever used over the years. The matte finish seems to stop smooth motion of a finger which gets stuck moving around and makes the mouse very very jittery or jumpe suddenly. (Solution is I have put a phone screen protector sheet on top of it and its much much better now)... however thisis a really bad design fault, hopefully they fix in new models.
Cheers for your real experience and ownership of this laptop Adventure Riders as it will help others. The trackpad in the P14s hasn't progress much from the P43s or even the T series trackpad. It's not the smoothest trackpad for sure but hopefully when I say Matte feel people might understand a feel of the texture of the trackpad and what to expect.
@@BsianTech YES its god u mentioned that. but i am so amazed at how rubbish it is - almost unusable really. having owned many laptops over the years its by miles the worst - which is strange as everything else o the laptop is well thought out and works well
should i get the t14 amd ryzen 5 pro ips 72ntsc 500nit touch $1158 or p14s amd ryzen 7 pro ips 45ntsc 300nit touch $1007 ? gaming and web browsing and movie use
Sadly, there only appears to be one M.2 port. I can't find any information about there being a second port in the hardware manual, and I didn't see another port when I opened up my P14s to upgrade the drive and the RAM. On the bright side, you can use an external SSD and hook it up to the extra USB C port if you want to have a second drive at the best speed, or you can plug into the USB A ports and probably still be fine. I bought a 1TB external SSD for mine and I run Windows 10 off of it while the internal drive has Artix Linux. I just wish that Lenovo would have added two M.2 ports internally instead of one.
@@comicsans1689 i was reading a bit more and it looka like it is the WWAN slot and it might be compatible with some SSDs, but not all due to the thickness.
@@epozofortunic I didn't think about the WWAN slot. Going by the hardware manual, it looks like there's not enough space for something like an NVME drive, but there might be an SSD small enough to fit. I don't remember if my AMD P14s has a WWAN slot or not, and I don't feel like prying it open again to check.
I'm lookin to buy this computer for Music Production. I think about getting the Intel Version with 16+16go RAM. Is this a good choice ? Thanks in advance
I have been testing the latency on the Intel 10th gen laptops Jigger Era but Latenymon keeps failing after 10-40mins and the intel version of the P14s is no different, I would look into the AMD version of this if latency is a major factor for you.
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Hi Jean-Baptiste, you are so right I had to double check the repair manual and that slot I pointed out as the second ssd slot is not for hard drive it is the Wireless WAN card slot. I will put a note in the description as edit. Thanks for picking that up =)!
@@BsianTech just happened to chance upon a video..... apparently it seems it is possible to use the WAN Slot to install a 2240 single sided NVMe SSD. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CwePi4YHurU.html By doing that would we risk voiding the warranty?
@@BsianTech You can use a B keyed m.2 ssd using 2 lanes of pcie like a WD SN520, though most B keyed ssds are sata. Lenovo's own spec sheet even mentions it.
