People who have a limited knowledge and think that they know it all, will want to box people based on their limited knowledge. Spiritual things are sacred and cannot be boxed. They are inner-stood through the spirit
What I will tell you about Gogo Lerato is that she is deep and you have to be at a certain level in your own journey of spirituality, to understand her. I remember how back them I would always skip her videos because Ausi o no said nothing that makes sense to me 😂😂😂😂 fast forward to the future I was now binge watching her videos and started understanding her teachings. And I know now that if I watch the same videos maybe a year or two from now, I will also be able to understand her better. She is levels honey, this woman is highly blessed with knowledge and intelligence.
The reason she was interviewed was for understanding darling when it comes to sephiri ... not competing ... so I'm not disputing what you saying but as Africans I think we should grow in this mentality of competing but seek understanding .. thanks
@Rosey Grace don't be. It's a statement ... I came across so many knowledgeable people instead of sharing its either its about comparison/competing... You comments talks about levels ..being deep ... who knows better than who, I'm just trying to share knowledge...and we spoke with Lerato ..that we mustn't be lenient on this topic to bring an opening but every guest I bring ... I already have an understanding of it but I feel 2 is better than one..
@@podcasthouseofapostlewithm4152 my comment was not directed to you, other views or any of your previous guests. So there was also no need for your to be so defensive because I meant no harm. I was mainly sharing my own experience of her and acknowledging her intelligence, knowledge and where she is spiritually. Perhaps what you should have taken from my comment is that it is ok to not comprehend some for the things she is saying. And you grow spiritually yourself you will come to understand her teachings. You can also go back to the interview some time in the future and see if you will still not understand some of the things she shared. Love and light. Great content and may your podcast continue to grow.
Jesus went to the mountain with barutuwa but told them to stay there whilst he's going to pray so why ASA tsamaya le bona. Because when he came back they were fast asleep maybe ke swphiri
But Mkhulu is not willing to listen and learn mos, I think you talked more than your guest Mkhulu next time give the guest time gore e wele explaining their point.
I somewhat agree , I somewhat also understand why and how he was talking. Mkhulu was speaking in a way that we could all understand without having to interpret and searching more,whereas Gogo Lerato tends to be quite cryptic at most. As a result, one would interject, ask and clarify so as to build understanding and comprehension.
Please improve your interviewing skills. Also, ehy interview if you already know and aren't willing to learn. Missed a learning opportunity coz this woman is smart af. But you'll grow
That black attire to me it said to be you might have it all… And with that bible… no one has sat eyes on God. An he represented himself to people as fire, cloud and ect. So yes he is an abstract and infinite God. Only his voice was heard❤
What I'm hearing here and my understanding is that sephiri was some of our ancestors preserving our spiritual beliefs, during the invasion of the catholic church and their colonization of Afica. They had to do it in secret, because of the persecution they faced back then.....some of our ancestors adopted the Christian doctrine and intertwined it with some of our ancestral practices and now we have apostolic, Zion (dove and star) , etc etc etc
I would challenge this claim using the history of ZCC, St John's Apostolic Church, Bantu Baptist Church, etc and The Witchcraft Act. The Witchcraft Act has been misrepresented and assertions were made that the Witchcraft Act was against African Spirituality. There's a huge gap between the establishment of the ZCC, St John's, Zion, IPCC and the Witchcraft Act.
I think as Sephiri wa made to be secret ,then it should be kept secret . And also it's not secret because now we can talk about it even here on social medias ... 3rdly if one want to know what happening there then they should go and see for themselves...there nothing secret there....the only thing left it's a name "sephiri"
I think Mkhulu doesnt understand consciousness...thats what our ppl need to understand the DEVINE who is in everything...tryin to convince him will take time bcs Sephiri is about DEVINE not God whos sitting somewhere in a chair...real its very painful...Christ said ppl are lost bcs of lack of knowledge
Yoh listening to this conversation took a lot out of me. I felt like at the core of what ﹰLerato was saying, Mkhulu wasn't grasping it. Mind you, I don't have any gift neh, but some of the things Lerato was bringing to light, I got a lot of clarity from them.
Thanks for your side of thoughts, I try by all means to accommodate both sides of the story if I don't agree to something I seek for understanding...but your suggestion in all your respect is bias ..beacuse you are a member .. when you say divinity not God why are you.guys using the bible, why are you guys praying and preaching of God, why do you burn offerings...don't contradict but give us understanding
Everything is created in secret, the law of cause and effect. The cause is inside, hidden and the effect is the manifestation of the cause in the physical (outside /seen)
there is a lot without proper explanation, i can see or understand but we believe in one God who speaks to other Gods, i don't understand when Lerato says Africans don't believe in one God
Kgotsong Baruti. The assumption we have made is that Sephiri was born of the act. Sephiri preceded the act. It is a council of wisdom that cannot be taught within the confines of how we identify with spiritual teaching today. It would be reckless to reveal it. This is the work of the Apostolic and Zionist church to perform the rehabilitation of our spiritual understanding. Sephiri will not be revealed to everyone at once in one lifetime. It is part of many lifetimes of work keeping this wisdom for those whose time has come to be its disciple's. They in turn keep it for the next in line to be called. Its not a thing of exclusion, its simple preservation of a heritage that not everyone will need to do. Kgotso a e be teng.
Highly noted! But now, how do we hold accountable those who manipulate sephiri by performing witchcraft realms throughout it? Please explain as this movement was formed due to the Witchcraft Act that was implemented as it is abolished, Is sephiri still relevant in this recent times?
@@podcasthouseofapostlewithm4152 We are not called to fight witches or hold them accountable. They are called to harm as much as some are called to heal. They exist and operate in every church and movement that is mentioned in this episode. They use the bible to do their work as healers use the bible for theirs. The mission is to walk your path and stay true to it, as only you know how. Sephiri exists because there are many layers to this spiritual experience, not all for everyone but some for those that need it because it is a part of the path they must walk. As long as this need is there Sephiri will be there.
To answer your second question about the Act and it being the reason Sephiri was formed. It was not formed because of the Act, it was highlighted because of the Act. It was always there. People needed a place to practice, those that knew of Sephiri invited those willing to continue practicing with them. This became a role the movement took on because of the times. Today there are Old Apostolic churches whose doctrine has shifted towards the New Apostolic churches in the way that has been described here, and abandoned traditional rituals and rites tsa moya tsa setso. This leaves those traditional practitioners in those churches with a problem. Many during COVID migrated to Old Apostolic churches to solve this problem, they were accommodated. They're original church continues to operate and gather followers who find a place for themselves there.
I think the next topic should also enquire about sephiri activities. Sephiri requirements, sephiri methods. That way, We will be able to understand more broadly.
@@podcasthouseofapostlewithm4152 however an attempt wouldn't hurt. If they refuse dismally. Then there's something in there that you shouldn't ever give up trying to figure out. Be the custodian ntate
@@podcasthouseofapostlewithm4152 what is the purpose/agenda of sephiri and if it help people spiritual why it is still a secret and why most of women who attend it they are widows or divorced men are controlled like they are under spell and we all know it is not a church is a cult what are they doing with bible?
@tsokho_ shumba my brother I'm also bashed for asking this simple question..why is it still the secret after the Witchcraft Suppress Act has been removed.... Understand in my own experience that people are being scammed in this secret society
@@podcasthouseofapostlewithm4152 there is a lot in that movement the give polished statement i think it was black feminism but that involved pour witchcraft find ex members interview them you will hear things!
I also ask that you come with an open mind .because your coming across as a know it all and I believe that this is for teachings .as much as your giving content.you also need to be open to the teachings ❤non the less your doing great
Jesus teachings are not all known to be honest and using common sense how can Jesus be a great teacher and teach a few teachings what about the ones not written in the Bible obvious there should be other teachings not written in the Bible.
My argument is that not everything done is in the Bible the Bible was written by a person so only few things were written not everything. Meaning that the people who wrote the Bible hand picked what should be in the Bible some stories were left out. No one knows how God wants us to really praise him cos God didn't create a religion. Me as an African I practice spirituality because I believe that we are spirit and everything in the universe is connected being an animal, plant and the sun etc. As a human being you have consciousness you know what's wrong and what is right. You get to choose. Is like fire is neither bad or good, cause it can burn and it can cook.
