let's listen to & rate all the pokemon evil boss themes 

Its also a remix of the team skull encounter theme

Maxeon 09 Well, I mean, why wouldn’t it?

Yup

Maxeon 09 and the RBGE champion theme

It's also a remix of team skull theme when you fight the grunts and this should have gotten a like by paternz

ghetsises themes are very good for me, but they do need quite a bit of context to understand. i listen to all 3 on my own a lot because i personally love the songs, but i understand why its not a song most people would listen to for fun. howeveR. listening to it in the games gave me goosebumps, and when you really analyse the song they get much better. bw sounds very booming and discordant, but has just enough to tie it together. bw 2 is very frantic and up and downish, reflecting how insane he gets. usum elevates and addes to bw 2s version, reflecting the time he was pulled from. also it shoulds a lot like arceuses theme because he sees himself as god, further backed up by the chanting of his own name (which also adds to his religious vibes). i adore villians. i adore pokemon. gen 5 is my favorite. so i naturally love ghetsises charecter, and his themes only add to him in my opinion. i could go on for longer but yea. i love analyzing everything hehe

Well it fits considering he is the evilest villain in the series.

I though the vocal bits in ghetsis’s theme was “penance”

TheFluffy AJ character*

@@CocktailBoomin hehe yea i always misspell character

If the build up is too long, its not good tbh.

@@FLFL-Cookays Not really? A lot of Toby Fox's songs from Undertale take just as long to get to the climax of the song, about as long as Ghetsis's theme did. They often do a lot of repetition of the same short melody over and over before finally showing some variation, but oftentimes the short melody is so catchy that people don't often notice. But some tracks are so slow that they're altered and sped up in the official soundtrack versus how they are in-game, like how Death By Glamour is much slower in-game compared to on the soundtrack.

Komaru Naegi it’s 2020 and people still compare everything to undertale every chance they get?

@SageAir13 Look at the context, dude. I was just using him as an example because I was replying to a guy that said “if the build up to a song is too long, it’s not good” even though people LIKE Toby Fox add build up that long in a lot of his tracks and are still widely liked. I brought Undertale up for a reason, not to be one of those rabid fans that like to bring it up just because they’re obsessed with it.

i like Ghetsis theme because of drums and wind instruments, its make music very serious. But Dennis part really ruin it for me

Proof?

@@ocellaris1271 you don't hear the similarities in the drums and their beats?

@@nebulawings Dude, listen, 1. Gamefreak actually took inspiration from arceas' theme and said so themselves. 2. Arceas' theme just sound like ghetsis' theme. 3. You're trying to make a smart comment but can't get your shit right.

@@ocellaris1271 your first 2 points pretty much summed up what I already said.

@@nebulawings except all what you say is just shit you straight shat just that you could say ghetsis is the shit because it borrowed arceus thene. Even though it is not true.

Exactly! You can’t be objective with the themes. He did the same with legendary and champion themes. “It doesn’t sound like a legendary theme,” or “It doesn’t sound like a champion theme.” You can’t look at it like that. You have to look at it on a legendary by legendary/champion by champion/evil team leader by evil team leader basis. Focus on the character and not the status.

​@A Cool YoTooBist It's bland, but it isn't supposed to be exciting or energetic. It is the theme of a megalomaniacal madman with a god complex. Therefore, he has an ominous theme primarily using intimidating drums, backed by a choir chanting "Ghetsis" (It sounds like Dennis because the chanting is saying his Japanese name, which is Ghetis, without the s after the t). Combine that with the smoke in the background and Ghetsis' monster of a team. It's hard to come up with a more perfect theme, even if it isn't exciting.

I completely agree

Yeah but at the same time this is all one person's opinion on how much he likes some music from a video game. He likes songs that get you hyped and go hard. Nothing wrong with that. I disagree with a lot of his rankings but I can respect them.

Lysandre xy theme is underrated

Preach!

He tries to kill us????

@@tangytim6699 Yeah in black 2 he orders Kyurem to use Glaciate on the player (which shoots like 8 giant spikey ice projectiles at the opponent) It almost hits but N saves you with the legendary he has based on the version you're playing.

I mean Lysandre tried to kill everyone so does that count?

@@NEORandomMan Well the difference is Lysandre was just trying to nuke everyone off the planet except Team Flare, Ghetsis had huge motives and put them on hold specifically to kill you because you were in his way, he could have thrown you out of the chasm and did what he wanted to do but instead just outright goes to kill you because he doesn't care.

Lysandre's theme was my favorite until I met Ya Boy

Yeah patterz really dropped the ball there I think people let XY's story get in the way when talking about the music, cause the music on its own is great.

Too me, its one of the only intimidating ones

Yoda, Grand Master well the more invested you are in the story, the more the soundtrack will mean to you. It’s kinda hard to get hyped up on a game when you aren’t really into it

Lys' and team flare's themes are excessively sexy and I love them for that.

He just did it out of scientific curiosity. Not out of malice.

@@wikiuser92 So did the Nazi scientists.

@@magosmarechferracioli1128 lol

@@magosmarechferracioli1128 That wasn't scientific curiosity. It was pseudo-science used to justify mass murder.

Ghetsis’ orders not Colress’.

You mean Dennicing?

@@StarSash77 Dennis the menace

Dennnnnnnis

It should sound like Ghetsis

They actually say "ghetsis" don't forget team plasma looks at their leader like a god

It says "daddy's" Why doesnt no one notice?

Sparrcher lol. In all seriousness though I think it says Ghetis which is the Japanese name (don’t mistake Ghetis for Ghetsis, there’s an s missing in Ghetis).

Astony The God um, I think you whoooshed right over the joke

TheWarzoneZ // MyBroHasNoLief no I got the joke. That’s why I said lol. I just wanted to say what I thought was being said.

@@AlmaTheBoxG not really, he acknowledged the joke.

I THINK YOU MEAN AUDIENCE!

Simon Koller gen 5 is drums

Don't disrespect gen 5 music like that ever again

Also crowd, howls and clashing weapons for gen 8

Gen 5 deniiiiiiiiis

Same, I don’t remember ever hearing this song for him. Which is weird but it is a pretty good song

I fell in love immediately.

@@user-hm7gv3hk9k you didn’t know?

Cyrus hates everything, probs sleeps about 3 hours a day cause he's gonna destroy the world anyway. Lusamine is a millionaire who clearly cares about her looks and who had a happy life before the ultra beast took her husband. She is gonna look a lot younger

@@stefschouwenaars9562 😂

Ghetsis is 50 though so yeah

@@catalyst539 Ghetsis DILF consumed?

Ghetsis: I'm just going to fucking kill you

Lol yes, its amazing

Me if I was an evil team leader: Don't ruin this! THIS ALL I HAVE LEFT!!

N is a good person

Elmer Kullingsjö no he like legitimately is missing one

@@tornadoman3606 what?

It also had electricity and fire (the types of the 2 pokemon that are canonly fighting in the battle). N does biologically have a heart. Ghetsis just tells him he doesn't have one to get under his skin because no normal person can talk to pokemon, so he thinks N is inhumane

Ultra Nova thanks for elaborating

Ok sans

@Static Gaming ok some random nick name ( also im just continuing chain but not in bad way )

LMAOOOO

@Sakura _747 No u

@Sakura _747 well,since Toby fox composed one of the pokemon themes, he's allowed to be here

When I heard Guzmas theme I was like "why are my headphones broken?"

When i first fought him on my 3ds when k first got sun,i thought my audio was broken as well

I also had to do a double take. But I like it.

Gen 5 is absolutely the best Pokemon generation hands down. The songs in the game are amazing and the story plot is spectacular.

@@littlethera448 Agreed

Daga kotowaru!

It's not even close to being bad. It's just this dumbass and his atrocious tier lists at it again.

Gen 5 was the First Pokémon I got, I gotta call it the best. My dad got it for me when we first immigrated and we’re very poor

Also the fact his name means devil in the music(ghetsis harmonia gropius) his team is styled after the papacy of roman Catholics in the middle ages(even down to choosing a king, in this case N,ghetsis is like the Pope who crowns the king and the sages are like the cardinals) his theme sounds similar to arceus(poke god) but distort and dark to show he is evil with a god complex, plus g-cis, the tritone that inspires his name, can potentially be phonetically pronounced in a way that sounds similar to jesus further driving the dark catholic imagery. He is literally a character with a god complex but named after the devil and that is just surface level stuff I could keep going. He is deep in a music analysis way your right!

Guzma: ITS YA BOI

Did y’all record!?

Chaos Gamer Yeah, my friend got it all on video! They sounded a lot better than I thought they would haha

@@cap5462 is it on RU-vid?

@@cap5462 WE NEED TO KNOW

@@alexf216 It’s not on RU-vid, sorry

LOL

Yea because of how he considers himself a god

Nope, it is because he thinks of himself as a God

You can't really get more intimidating than using drums. Arceus' theme shows this.

It’s because he has a god complex

That’s because he has GOD COMPLEX

To be fair he has larger goals especially once he gets Mewtwo. He is a Mob Boss but Mob Bosses control a corporate empire without ever owning a corporation. He wants Pokémon to gain more power and with more power he controls more of a region through influence. Once he became a Faller his plans expanded, he’s no longer content with just one Region, now he will control the Multiverse. Every World will be his, every villain and every Pokémon from every possible iteration of the world will be under his control. I really hope we see Giovanni return in a bigger way than just in Post Games because even the Post-Game with Rainbow Rocket shows they never caught him and he can travel across universes by himself.

Giovanni wants 2 things: money and power Lysandre wants 2 things: use the power of the ultimate weapon and kill every single living thing in the fucking universe Yeah, your'e right

@@boombooomz though Ghetsis is the most evil even if he only want to dominate the world.

By Arceus.

Facts. As somebody who played Timpani for 8 years, it make me sad that there wasn’t an appreciation for that Timpani Solo Piece.

I don’t think he knows what “anxiety” or “tension” mean. He seems like the guy who hates Silent Hill music because he can’t dance to it.

​@@cedric15773fr. It feels like he uses it to describe stuff he doesn't like.

*is this the good part*? I want to slap him in the face

@@drekko9010 he's not wrong, music takes too long to reach climax like elite four de kalos, long build up to deliver little in music

Considering my love for his themes it personally hurts me on a molecular level to see people that have such bad taste kek

@@HabitualThinker why tell the truth? isn't music all that?

@@alineheirebeserra8468 Ghetsis battle in BW is a 6vs6 with hard Pokémon to fight against (especially Hydregon), a 2 minutes loop is not strange for a battle that long and difficult.

Nah, I think the switch from 6/8 to 4/4 killed the momentum of the theme. But that's just my opinion.

@@SorisMusic The bassline is what propelled the theme in the first one too, and it was kind of absent in the USUM adaptation. the way it was adapted focused more on the drums and is more reflective of the USUM soundtrack. Im not saying one is better than the other, but the nostalgia from gen 4 made the remake music trash to me

I felt personally attacked when he said it was forgettable and put it at C tier. I legitimately love Cyrus's theme and it's why I love restarting platinum just to fight him again. Yes I'm a little biased because Gen 4 was my first gen, but even so, it's an amazing theme in my opinion. I personally feel like Cyrus should've been A tier at the very least.

@@anthonyoracion9145 nostalgia sucks like u

@@Andrew-ch3xj damn very sick burn

Same

Honestly, Lysandre’s theme is rlly good imo. I feel like people shit on it easily just because it’s X and Y

@@toms7703 honestly, for a good time lysandre's theme was my favorite boss theme, it feels so savage and dangerous. Shame lysandre is bum.

@@mk4-matt6290 true, but yeah same. His theme sounds like a villain theme, and it’s also good. Idk what else i could ask for lmao

The Evice/Greevil themes would work extremely well as champion themes tbh

Pissed me off lol

It takes too long to get to the climax of the song, until then I already defeated him with my pokemon

If 60% is boring buildup im sorry but its not a good song

@pandinus1377 You mean building atmosphere? Have you tried listening to the song in-context of the game and battle it was created for?

Like me taking 10 minutes to figure out how to deal with Ghetsis Hydreigon when I first fought him??

Simple You can't

There depending on his opinion

I’m with you on that one

I love the team flare themes,especially lysandres theme in ultra sun and moon,its so good,i love the gen 6 and 7 music since i haven't played older gens yet

Lysandre's theme has a gunshot in it. No really, listen closely.

​@@lastchanc3starsWhen? Couldn't hear it

Because of Mewtwo

Didnt giovanni took over the pokeball factories and basically took control of the industries in the eorld by force or buying them out? Plus hes a reallygood manipulator since he can convince multiple rivals from multiple universes to be under his control

Agreed. I get it, he’s “the main first one” but like…… he’s a good villain especially for the first gen, but he’s just Giovanni.

@Lucky Twelve I only hear Dennis when I think it has Dennis in it

they chant Ghetsis... why the fuck are you putting so much thought into what they chant when the PRIME EXAMPLE OF A BAD FOSTER FATHER IS TRYING TO KILL YOU.

The choir says Gethsis. Tho, they pronounce itin the Japanese way, so it says Geth-is

HOW DARE YOU REMIND ME

I-what

WELL BY THE TIME IT KICKS IN YOU'VE ALREADY BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF GETSIS IN THE GAMES

@@Kavycks His Hackdreigon says no...

@@XarathDominion my level 76 embor says yes

@@ZayahTheFool i can hear the terror in ghetsis as he howls "Overleveled piece of shit"

Xarath Dominion I think it’s most of his team though.

Same for plasma

@@gmenos6252* Neo Plasma

@@catalyst539 Compared with original team plasma neo plasma theme sucks

dude Neo team plasma is crazy gets me shaking so hard definetly top 5 best music in Pokemon (opinions)

@@luisfillipebeserra2108 Neo Team Plasma theme has me headbanging like you wouldn’t believe.

I'd have to agree.

Its 7 for me but 5 and 6 is definitely up there (zinnias theme is the best thing pokemon ever created so I have to put 6)

Pikmin Yes For me, it’s a tie between ultra be to make and lorekeeper zinnia

Blazar I agree, Gen 5’s music (save for like, N and Plasma’s themes and the legendary themes) are lowkey slept on.

What about gen 3? It has a lot of great songs too

I didn’t even finish XY...

@@blui3609 Aight

Watch out for that 2nd statement there. Some people love Gen 4's OST with a passion (I like it but I'm not obsessing), so I'd get ready if I were you.

@@justinl2009 I find Gen 4's battle music specifically to be overrated and some of the most generic. Just the battle music, I understand why people love the overworld themes. Specifically, I find the gym leader theme generic, legendary theme weird and inconsistent, evil team leader theme incredibly generic, etc. I think the standout themes are the Champion theme and Lake trio theme, but I find most of the other games to have better battle themes, in my opinion.

@@mtgleam8723 I agree with you 100%. I keep coming back to Sinnoh's OST for the location themes.

The USUM version fits more with the space concept of Cyrus, but lacks the "identity" and the link to Cyrus himself that it has with the DPPT theme

@@a.arrondel6379 perfect comparison

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This is a mood right here

Were you disappointed with what you heard

I mean they ARE team YYYYYYEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL

calacalamari yeah makes sense

False. All the black and white kids are just saying this shit over and over.

@@Yokai_Yuri whats wrong witht that ?

The chanting also reminds me of a part of the Gen 4 Legendary theme.

Bruh

No.

All forgettable except Cynthia. Gen 4 doesn't have a bad OST but imo it has the worst out of every gen.

@@mtgleam8723 bad opinion is bad

@@azzithedemon Excluding the route themes as I don't remember them enough to judge them, I consider Gen 4 to have the worst soundtrack. My opinion. It's not bad, but I think it's the worst. The gym leader theme is highly generic, and by far the most disappointing theme is Cyrus's. It's so bland. Best themes are Cynthia's and the Lake Trio, Lake Trio SLAPS. Otherwise, eh.

Temple Guard what do you mean Cyrus theme is supposed to represent his hollowed and selfish goal with its mellow tone and futuristic feel. Gen 4s music is very symbolistic of its surroundings and its place in the story, like sunyshore, it’s meant to be bright as it is a celebration of you nearing the end of the story and it celebrates your victory over team galactic

@@wyattmartin2303 It just doesn't sound hollowed or selfish to me or whatever. It's a basic melody that sounds like it could be anyone's theme. It's not menacing at all, and the regular/admin galactic theme is better. That's my opinion.

No Lysander don’t do it

Mother Beast Lusamine music is so good that doesn't feel from PKMN, it's that good. I'm still sad that song or the normal one didn't make it to smash

42:53

He plays emotion not farewell theme

@@contraryshinysnivy lol

He's already done champion themes

@@alex3448 oh, thx for the heads up

Ghetsis: kyurem use kill child

Beast mother theme? Like its so bad compare with the elegance of the original lusamine battle theme

People can say what they want about Gen 8 being utter shit, but the music great

Too impatient for my taste

lmao exactly. bw and bw2 use his japanese name, usum seems to have his english name