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The two guards were ready to ambush Gehn, instead they captured Svehn. :P OK, it’s a really silly comment, but the game Is beautiful and it speaks for itself. As someone already said, being able to traverse the two adjoining water holes was awesome.
Well I hope the guards were ready to capture anyone linking in, they left their looking glass and paint bucket lying around so carelessly that Sven the Stranger just randomly stumbled across it lol.
When I saw the stone tree on the cover of the original I wanted to explore the place and was disappointed it was just a single room with a window overlooking the village inside the tree.
I think the puzzle involving the submarine, the heat holes in the water, and accessing the secret Wahrk door is my favorite change in the Riven remake. It incorporates a lot of cool environmental design, aspects that are established in the world, and it feels like something rebels hiding from Gehn right under his nose would do. Also, I'd presume that getting thrown into prison is part of the Moiety initiation. Kind of like a test that you're willing to put yourself in danger to resist Gehn's rule. And, the "Katarinane" could be down to the Rivenese language being an inflecting one. So she's saying something like "this journal belongs to Katran", with an ending added to Katran to indicate possession, kind of like the genitive ending in German. AFAIK they used a real-world language for Rivenese (rather than constructing one, like D'ni), so there probably exists an actual translation of what Nelah says.
My main question is why that obvious door is there in the first place, and why it hasn't raised Gehn's suspicions. Is it ostensibly just a maintenance access door for the wahrk steam system? How have Gehn's suspicions not been raised by people going into and out of the steam chamber?
@@micahbush5397it is a burial site, just like other totem places. It is natural that some people would want to go be with the spirits of their friends and family once in a while. Especially if Ghen feeds the copses to fish.
The rebel (or proto-rebel) Rivanese don't have access to the sub (that's definitely a behind-the-scenes item only accessible to collaborators), but they could still flip the switch with a long pole or something to access the door.
It would be pretty funny if they added a nonstandard Game Over if you stayed too long in the water hole. Like it closes up, you're underwater for five seconds, then you see a whark approaching (horrifying in VR) and then you get a reload screen.
The "butterfly" symbol looks more like a katydid to me. Also, how on earth did someone paint all those symbols? I can understand the fish on the cliff walls, but the symbol in the chimney must have been a pain to paint.
Just wanted to inform you, the magnifying glass will show a mark on the rotating domes for the correct symbol. Not easily discerned on my system, however, it is there :)
I was SO happy that they opened the door so you could explore Tay. Tay was my favorite area when I first played Riven as a kid and I always wished I could see more of it.
In my first playthrough I had to guess (but more like deduce) the butterfly symbol since I never clicked on the whark horn and never found the underground cave. I also did not find the shrine on the Prison Island until after I had visited the Tay Age, but I had already figured the Fish symbol was the on drawn on the cliff walls. The butterfly made sense because it was so prominently figured in everything that was connected to the paint and was pretty much everywhere on the Jungle Island. The shape of its symbol closely matches their arrangement in one of the drawers in Ghen's lab so I went with that one. So basically the only thing I really had to guess was which number (order) corresponded to the Fish and which to the butterfly, but that was basically just two possible iterations. The underground cave is a nice puzzle though and does have hints for it if you're being observant (I've managed to miss all of them in first playthrough). A pity I found it after I had finished the game.
Hi Svehn! long time watcher and Myst fan. I just wanted to say thank you for making these videos all these years. I've been following since Uru days. When i started playing this series I had no one to talk to about it, even my other gamer friends didn't play this series, but I feel like you've been great company for all of us in this lonely, puzzling life. I'm looking forward to seeing you explore Tay in a later episode. It's been 27 long years, but the ending is not yet written!
34:08 I wonder how it was engineered that the book could protrude like that and the skylight open at exactly the same time. I imagine it would require significant expertise to make that happens at exactly the right time and in such a dramatic way.
I suggest making “on the frottom” an actual word! “Look at this spoiler on the frottom of your car!” “There’s something on the frottom of your shirt”. It has a nice ring to it
I've seemed to had a variety of thoughts while watching along this time, each their own separate thing. Really just things that I was pondering as I saw them coming by I guess. The first being on the fish swimming down question, it is quite strange and the only two branches of thought seem to make potential sense. Either the microorganisms in the water are for some reason moving upwards around this particular fish, but not the other fish types, but in any case in flowing so is forcing the fish to swim against this flow. Or perhaps they might be some kind of particularly specialized bottom feeding fish, and so they are always scanning the ground for food. Or rather they might have evolved to the point where this is simply their normal orientation then. I guess This could make some sense considering the traps for these fish are all being placed at the bottom facing upwards, so clearly aiming for a fish that swims down. Another thought of mine is back to your guess of that symbol on the tree representing a beetle, which now in hindsight seems far better then my guess it could actually be a tree. Especially now that I've see the symbols again in the underground room. It's hard to argue that they wouldn't all be representing animals on those pillars, especially as they all seem to have a mark for an eye. Ah well, so it goes while guessing with puzzles I guess. Also quite interesting that the Rivenese have a linking book hidden behind the water that seems to work with out needing a large power support system, though possibly it does need that crystal to work. If it does, I suppose one would speculate it filters or corrects for something. Or thinking about it more deeply, it seems a little unusual that you'd create a special channel for light from above in this cavern if there was no purpose, perhaps it filters that light for something to help the linking book work better. Lastly, I've been wondering this for quite awhile now, but where did all these extremely large tools come from? At least one seems like a Rivenese type weapon but ridiculously oversized. And it seems a bit dubious the Rivenese would have just stuck such an item there... though who knows for sure I guess. I suppose it is interesting that the Rivenese tool is on their main island and the Daggers are if I recall correctly on Gehn's islands. If that is the pattern I guess in some way it must be deliberate... though it seems like an odd things to do for either group. As in, I struggle to find a particular purpose to it beyond being particularly expensive way of marking. Still... no other purpose or reasonable origin for them has come to mind for me so far.
The books (which describe how Atrus and Catherine trapped Gehn here and why) also explain the origin of the giant knives... somewhat. Spoiler below. They're written into the Age by Catherine as part of an attempt to unsettle and scare both the villagers and Gehn, as part of a rescue of Atrus. (I might have some details wrong, it's been quite a while since I read the books.) Interestingly, this seems to break one of the fundamental rules of linking books as far as we know them now -- while you can make changes in the book that affect the real world, large changes to areas visible to observers should have broken the link (such that it would link to a different world that more closely resembles the changes). To get around that, she must have written them out in space (where nobody could prove they hadn't always been there) and had them rain down like meteors. But she was known to be quite unconventional in her use of the Art.
Knowing that the tree symbol is the beetle comes from the original game, where the symbols were explicitly linked to animals by sound as well as the symbol. And this symbol was associated with the sound of the beetle (which you can still hear in this version when the beetle on the gate into the jungle flies away).
In my playthrough I first approached the village from the side where the sub was, so I was able to go down the ladder and flip the switch to keep the heater on before the water ever closed. Once I finished the game and read though the guide, I was quite surprised that there was even a puzzle there. 😅 I was operating on puzzle game logic: the ladder and switch wouldn't have been there if you weren't supposed to flip it at some point, even if I didn't entirely realise what it was for at first.
I did that too, my first time around. Then I was like, "wait, what does that switch actually do?" So I messed around with it until I realized it kept the heater on. In the LP I deliberately went the other direction in the sub so that would be a bit clearer (and also so I could show the linking room before we had all the symbols).
@@donwald3436 The linking book in the fireplace, presumably. I think the only reason he leaves is so he doesn't sit there awkwardly waiting for the player to use the book, but narratively it doesn't make much sense.
@@PerryWhyte You know, all the usual stuff - Atrus writes a fix, then it goes through pre-commit checks, then tests, then D’niHub contributors swarm in dropping comments on styling, indentations and stuff. Then the fixes finally filter through to production, get deployed by a 5-spoked version of Gehnbernetes… It takes time, man ;-)
It's been a long time, but I feel like in the original you could see clearly that there was a tiny gap in the rail line and each station, justifying the station itself being a turntable.
I assumed that the first symbol you found in this video was some kind of jumping insect, but you're probably right that it's a butterfly. The cave with a door under the lake must have been patched at some point, as Josh George recounts in his review on how he drowned in one playthrough when the door opened and the water came rushing in to kill him.
i think, like how Rivenese water microbes do whatever they can to avoid heat, the Stranger does whatever they can to avoid getting wet. on another note, i had to stop watching before episode 5 (fitting) because i actually ended up being able to afford the game, started watching again after beating it myself, when you'd uploaded episode 11. loved it, and also loving watching your playthrough as well!
Just as Atrius was a puzzle man makeing different forms of clues to find out about the ages and finding the way out to other ages the antagonists could find themselves in a different story ancient times and the tallow flow of harmony's vibrations and resonances of the journeys ❤
Leaving the holes open give a good chance for the bad guys to find out the symbol so close everything that you open or may e someone else will show up and kill you or ha e to kill them ❤but maybe you should have used them by convincing them to help you out with the opening closing part
Nelah probably knows Catherine by that name, else she'd have read that note, tilted her head, and asked her: "...why did you not sign this with your name?" Also, THANK YOU HODOR! (Wait . . . wrong universe.) Um, yes. The door. THE DOOR. The second I saw you uploaded Episode 1 of this series, my first thought was: "PLEASE let us be allowed to explore the tree." That was the one of the two major disappointments I had in this game (the second being the one I mentioned in the comments of the last episode). I'm so thrilled.
@@micahbush5397 I'd argue that unless the writing format is vastly different than our own, Nelah would still be able to identify that the final word in the message is Catherine's signature and would thus be puzzled that she doesn't recognize at least that. But I suppose we'd have to see Nelah write a letter to really be sure what she'd be able to intuit.
@@WarthogDemon Presumably, Nelah only knows D'ni (I doubt the Rivenese have a native written language), so she wouldn't be familiar with English or its alphabet. I certainly wouldn't recognize my name if it were written in Arabic.
44:03 I've always wondered if this was the same linking book to K'veer that Gehn left for Atrus, along with the Riven book in "The Book of Atrus" In which case the face on the cover could be Gehn's father Aitrus.
14:29 also if this area was full of steam that would make it incredibly hot. If it’s smoke we’d likely choke to death. People can be badly burned from steam so I wonder how we are able to walk around in that area.
I still can't figure out how Atrus expects to restore D'ni with an imprisoned wife, a psychotic father, and two burned son-books..... will he and Catherine have more children, then who will they ewwww lol.
44:24 Huh, I never noticed that the crest on the cover actually depicted a face. Maybe it's supposed to be Ri'neref, whose face is also depicted on the floor of the chamber in K'veer?
Some have suggested that it's Lord Rakeri, the original owner of the K'Veer mansion, as the normal-map textures on the corners, used to give graphically-inexpensive depth (i.e. metal stamping) to them, has his name on them.
Surely the rebels would only want people who are willing to risk getting thrown in prison and executed by Gehn. If you just find the symbols but don't also defy Gehn enough to get taken to the prison, I bet the Moiety do not want you.
A lot of people complained about his wife coming onto the Let’s Play. Personally, I didn't mind her presence, but it felt more like a live stream when she was on, which really disrupted the flow of the rest of the Let’s Play.
Because of the hot steam, I didn't think I could enter there without shutting it off first... On another note: Did the Rivenese people build the graveyard there recently or was it underwater for a long time and they brought always torches or something?
It's great how Sven leaves no stone unturned when exploring these Myst adventure/puzzle games -- I'm always really looking forward to the next episode 🙂
Yes, it is. I was watching that at the time I made this account. I probably would've changed it to something easier to pronounce/spell if I would've had any idea people would actually watch my videos. :) Fifteen years of having this channel, and I honestly can't remember anyone ever asking that before...
