Let's Rank All the Persona 3 Ultimate Personas! 

I never saw that one, but I do remember like Yukari or Mitsuru or someone commenting on it in Tartarus and just being like “He has two theurgies. Why? Ob’m know…”

​@@strain42its true, I remember someone saying exactly that about Koromaru

That's not true. You can have this sort of experience without changing personas. The mechanism of an evolution is one has a change in their resolve. And Koromaru has vehemently defended his resolve to never change in many instances. His loyalty to his master is simply that strong. He has stated to not wanting to forget that regret he had, because he couldn't protect him. Cerberus is that symbol for him. The symbol of his power to defend his master's home. Play PQ, he and Shinjiro refused to evolve their personas but simply awakened a new power within them, similar to how Prime personas (Like Telos) work but retaining their initial form. Besides, the fight where you found him is when he awakened. Mitsuru would have found him out since she scans the area almost every night for 10 years otherwise.

​@@raphaelcoprada4637 Bro goes through all of this even though what OP said is true because i have literally seen this conversation myself. Id personally trust 3 Reload over Q

Well yes the conversation happened. But immediately jumping to conclusion to say "oh he had an evolution already" while using this as evidence is completely illogical and frankly, incorrect. When it has been stated to not be the case. Ignoring the given information doesn't make it correct all of the sudden. Personas doesn't have evolution as a requirement to become stronger. Only strengthening your current resolve. And Koromaru is one big example of this for so many times. Using gameplay analogs like him having nulls already doesn't count as evidence. Because of course he has those already, his persona doesn't evolve so he needs it already for gameplay reasons. While this info given is not indicative either due to how the idea of evolving personas doesn't have a definitive reason to apply with what's given. And again, the timeline doesn't really add up. Mitsuru have years to be able to scout out Koromaru, since SEES during that time period targets the irregular shadows outside of tartarus. If Koromaru was a user at that point, he would be found easily by her. But that's not the case. That's because he awakened at the moment when they found him at the shrine, as the game shows.

For how good Messiah is, it surprises me I couldn't find clearer, better artwork of him online.

There's an artist on Twitter (kia_shie) who did a really good design of an Ultimate Persona for Shinji that was Janus. You can find it if you search "Persona Janus" on Twitter. I really like it. It's unique but also keeps the visual tie that connects it to Caesar.

@@strain42 the art looks nice but it just becomes an object. But the idea of a p4a design of shinji with more scruff being a chef that hits people with a stopsign is awesome. Major kamen rider chaser vibes and shizuo hiwajima

Maybe I'm just being boring and uncreative, but I imagine a lot of the third tiers would just be upgrades/renames of the Ultimates they already have. Like Isis being Aset, Juno being Hera, Messiah being Kristos, Cerberus being Kerberos, Caesar being Julius, etc. That's kinda how 4 did it and it mostly worked.

@@strain42 oh yeah, 5 followed that trend too, with them being the real names of the historical figures or real historical figures that inspired the fictional characters.

We could get 3rd tiers with episode aigis coming up

Unlikely, since that would involve changing the story quite a bit, but I guess not impossible.

Also I love the fact that Kala-Nemi has star projectors in his shoulders like how asteria had them on her head

That's...actually a really good point. With Reload introducing the Eiga spells to P3 you'd think they could've given him a distinct Curse elemental damage move or something. Or heck, just let him keep Door of Hades from Persona 5. Very weird!

Hopefully I'm not the only one who doesn't like instant death skills, for that very reason I use him. Yeah I would like a unique dark skill for Thanatos.

Messiah is probably my favorite of the Protagonist Ultimates. Satanael is pretty cool too, I suppose.

those change between games

I’ll eventually cover them in a video focusing purely on antagonist Personas

It's always really weird to me when I see designs that were created for a specific story purpose or character just get treated like a normal demon. Like the MMO game had Hayagriva from DDS and like...yeah, I couldn't see it as NOT Harley. Like if Orpheus's Persona design ever appeared in like Dx2 and was just treated like any other demon that'd be super weird for me. Can't really explain why.

It actually REALLY bothered me that they did that. Like I was already annoyed that Kotone didn't get a unique Telos, but then yeah, Q2 was like "Makoto swaps from Messiah to Telos and Kotone gets Messiah" and just like...why not let Makoto keep Messiah and just give Kotone Telos and also actually make her Telos distinct this time. They had two chances at FeMC Telos and both of them ended with NOT FeMC Telos!

@@strain42 I assume it's because they didn't want to make a new design (or even alter Telos' model). So they gave Makoto Telos, since his design matches with the male Orpheus, then gave Kotone the more unisex-looking Messiah so there wouldn't be any discrepancies about her Persona's apparent gender.

"Orpheus Telos is considered an Ultimate Persona for Makoto Yuki," its not in pq1 it uses messiah, and messiah is a fusion of thanots and orpheus, telos only exists when you finish all social links as a bonus, pretty much in any canon material you seem messiah, even in the end credits of p3. there is like no reason orhpeus telos should be the canon "Ultimate" persona considering thanatos and orpheus are the character's "base" personas.

Yeah, I haven't gotten to 5 yet. Though I probably won't talk about those three when I do 5. My plan is to eventually just do a ranking video on Side Games. So the video where I talk about Valjean is also where I'll talk about like Ariadne and Warrior Zeus and stuff.

@@strain42 fair enough, so tsukiyomi will be on the side games video too, and Yoshizawa's persone? they will be on the P 5 video?

Yeah, Yoshizawa I’ll probably include when I do P5 for the same reason I did Metis with P3. The only one I’m not sure on yet is whether to do Marie and Kaguya with P4 or in the side games. Technically Kaguya debuted in Golden, but the only time Marie has used her was in Ultimax.

@@strain42 it can go either way, it is your call

I don't have a specific date picked out or anything, but I'd assume with the rate I'm going I'll probably get to it sometime this year.

alright keep up the good work as always

I'm not sure how official this is, but I've always referred to those as like "Ultimate Personas of the ________ Arcana" so like Thor is the Ultimate Persona of the Chariot Arcana, but Athena is Aigis's Ultimate Persona...who happens to be of the Chariot Arcana lol

Not to give too much away from the future Ranking Antagonist Personas video, but I like Medea, think Hypnos is okay, and kinda hate Moros.

I *BELIEVE* so. Like they do look slightly different between IS and EP but I believe in Japanese they have the same name and are supposed to generally be the same Persona, more or less.

​@strain42 so they are the same then?

I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense. I’m just saying they could have called it something different. Khristós, for example, is basically the Greek word for Messiah, adheres to everything you just said, and would have stuck truer to the primarily Greek themes of the rest of the cast. I acknowledge that it’s a minor nitpick on my part, but it’s just how I feel about it

@@strain42 yeah, I mainly used this as a way to talk about takaya and makoto dichotomy ,if that’s the correct term, because I don’t see a lot of people talk about it

I forgot to mention it in this video, but I LOVE that Lucia goes from being blindfolded to Juno having like...almost too many eyes XD it's a really nice visual evolution of how Fuuka grows as a character.

@@strain42 oh its definitely a great improvement but for me somehow i can never point the change out until someone says it, idk if thats bc fuuka isnt in battle or i wasnt paying attention to the awakening lol I didnt even see the eyes lol