I cringe so hard when female/male idols act like babys or others treat them like that. Like sometimes depending on mood and situation it's funny but sometimes i just think it's cringe. Like when idols have dirty lyrics and fans act like *aww he/she doesn't even know what that means* like they are adults if your 15 year old self knows what that means why tf would they not know.
As a culture fetishising youth is normalized, so underage people are dressed/treated like adults and sexualized, but once they hit age of maturity (18, 21, etc) they're infantilized and treated like children/teens and sexualized. As an example, Ariana Grande has gotten more childish and sexy as she has matured, which you would think (and hope!) Would be counterintuitive, but it's actually encouraged and typical in the industry, especially when you consider that most women 'age out' of their peak popularity, which tends to be 18-25, and after 30, they're replaced by the next wave of teens. (I'm explaining my point rlly badly lol, I'll edit it later when I can think abt it😅)
on the opposite end but relevant to the obsession with youth, i hate the people who enforce age stereotypes on "older" idols like jin or irene and talk about them like theyre in their 80's or something and being like "they havent aged a day! immortal gods!" and theyre like... in their late 20's. becoming 30 isnt the end of the world
I feel like some fans are really young and view idols older than them as "old". One of the contestants on bighit's survival show was born in 1997 and I literally saw people say that they don't understand why he was included or that he is too old and won't get to debut, just because he wasn't in the final lineup. I understand that there is an age issue in the kpop industry, but the contestant is from Japan, so he won't have to go to the military for two years. He isn't even that old to begin with. I did have similar thoughts when I first started watching the show, but some people take it to the extreme. Idols much oder than him have recently debuted.
Anna they really do think people older than like. 24 dont exist and think that you stop functioning as a person when you turn 25 or 30 but i guess its partially because of companies debuting 14-17 year old idols who are you know, kids the same age as most of these fans. especially when its in the same group as someone older (again, like jin with jungkook from bts and irene with yeri from red velvet)
yes!!!! as someone who's around their same age I'm always like wtf when people say Jin or Irene look so good for their age. They're in senior groups and are still young so of course they will look young
Taehyun from txt is a 02 liner and he has openly talk about how he hates aegyo and that his job is doing music not acting cute and people started to throw hate to him and call him names... this made me notice how even when idols could admitted they don’t like something ppl won’t hear and just do what they want🙃
Lol everyone is different. I’m 02 liner younger than Taehyun and I still like teddy bears and I’m a mommas boy. If I were a kpop idol I think I’d rather do innocent concept over cool because I can easily smile on stage and wink but it’s hard for me to bite my lip or make a cool/sexy face
@@fanboyioi4441 Oh ofc everyone is different, if you feel good to act like that there’s no problem!! don’t get me wrong I don’t mean Taehyun likes to act sexy actually he also said to please don’t sexualize him😊
gyuadiction this reminds me of when Jin from BTS has said that he doesn’t like being called “Eomma” or “Princess Jin” and names like that but army’s are CONTINUOUSLY forgetting he has said that and use it for usernames or ‘inside jokes’.
I don’t know much about other idols as I only really keep up with bts but in jungkook’s case the big hit editors of run bts have a tendency to infantilize him, as well as, jimin and v. That doesn’t help at all. It’s like how do these people stop babying them when the company does it themselves?
There are people who genuinely think he literally doesn't have the mental capacity to do his mandatory enlistment. He's a whole 23 year old with who owns his own apartment like wat - 🤯😡🤬
@@diannaa.62 I don't think what bh editors and other members do is infantalizing. They treat him more than the maknae / youngest rather than treating him like an actual kid. But about some creepy fans, idk what to say. Jungkook and Momo are some of the burning examples.
Jungkook is not a baby, not a bunny, he definitely knows what sex is (lmao) and he's allowed to act just like the rest of his hyungs in BTS. To put it in perspective, JK is the same age Jin was when BS&T was released, and I don't remember anyone calling Jin a baby Edit: I see a lot of comments saying there’s nothing wrong with his bunny nickname. I agree and I think it’s cute. My point was JK is more than that, and he should be much more appreciated for his mature side.
@Lexie Bean dude i mean it in like a pet name when couples call their significant other “baby”. and before u say i think im dating him ik im not but its just what ive always called him
@@gal0654 I got it what you want to say. I call my fav idol "baby" the same way I call my friend or boyfriend "baby" or "babe". It doesn't mean we coddle them like a literal baby, we just call them that for an endearing nickname.
@@riannahdino324 yeah, especially when they performed BlackSwan on Jimmy Fallon. They called him a slut and all kinds of slurs just because he wore a see-through shirt.
Yeah. Especially with him starting to come back to doing lives and stuff, it does seem as though he's switching it up, which is good. I think it's kind of a idgaf, which is good. Healthier for him.
I really don't care or think it's wrong when people say "jungkook is such a baby, he's so cute" but what bothers me is literally treating him like child and thinking he's all innocent and then getting mad when he grows his hair and having tattoos, like chile calm down...
I affectionately call my favourite K-pop idols such and such, but a line needs to be drawn. No matter how "young" and/or "cute" the idols look, it doesn't change the fact that a fair amount of them are LEGAL adults (over 18 by international age).
This! I might occasionally call an idol baby out of affection if they're being cute, which I think is also an important part. To take in consideration whether they may like it or not. But just don't go overboard.. or create expectations for what they should do
i always cringe when Namjoon does aegyo, like you can clearly see that he doesn't like it - especially when he himself cringes after doing it (but fans always think that he gets "shy" when he does it). like yeah, it's kinda cute, but when you can tell that an idol does not like doing it, it somehow turns "cute" into "cringe".
It's adorable in situations like when SKZ did the "I am Groot" thing. Otherwise, it's often cringey. I also love when they avoid it, like when Han Jisung did that hilarious rendition of that kids' song.
@@beatm6948 situations where they're comfortable too. when they're uncomfortable it also makes the viewer a bit uncomfortable. but yeah, that i am Groot thing was cuteee thoo
Another example of infantilism is how ppl said Taehyung was depressed, when in actuality he just matured and grew out of his goofy, immature self. Ppl just couldn’t fathom the idea that someone’s personality could change over half a decade, and immediately assumed that there was something wrong with him.
The issue is that Taehyung had several times talked about struggling with depression, he talked about it briefly in the Break The Silence miniseries so can you blame folks to come to that conclusion.
@@crownofeunoia1907 Yeah but the rhetoric surrounding the situation mostly sounded like "I miss the old Taehyung" instead of people actually being concerned for his mental health. It had good intentions in the beginning, but eventually turned to being about how he's not as childish, and demonizing that.
@@crownofeunoia1907 are you sure you watched it correctly? He hasn't said about depression AT ALL, so um can you pls stop mentioning depression? He felt said, yes.
That army outta be ashamed of them damn selves for giving a baby bonnet to Jungkook at that fansign.... he a grown ass man and him being the sweetheart he is put it on to make them happy.. that was absolutely awful. 😭 I’m seeing so many kpop stans use edits of kpop idols with pacifiers in their mouths as pfps on twitter... wth is going on... it’s not hard to treat these idols their age.
I'm always impressed how kpop stans can treat 25+ year old idols like infants,but when it comes to Huening Kai,Yuna,Wonyoung,Nancy it is all about sexualizing them. Just because someone is cute and outgoing it doesn't mean s/he has remained a baby. And just because a young person entered the world of kpop it doesn't mean they did it for them to grow up before time so you could sexualize them 24/7.
i know the amount of articles/comments i read of people sexualizing the minors in kpop is just so nasty. maybe this is just me but i saw a comment that said they were excited to see wonyoung grow up since she is already so pretty? kinda rubbed me off in the wrong way since the people saying this are way older than her.... or the amount of wizones that are wayyyy older than her and are males....
@@cupidream9702 yeah I saw the same with ppl saying they can’t wait until huening Kai isn’t a minor anymore so that they can sexualize him💀 ppl r truly disgusting
@@livelaughlovecats4life exactly! like these kids are 13 and 14 years old claiming a man 10 years older than them doesnt know what sex is???? ridiculous fr
@@EatingHawaiianP1zza yeah it’s actually interesting. Since kpop is the most different ever in the 4th gen. I notice weeeklys company wants to make them standout with a cute concept but I’m not sure if a cute group can even make it in the 4th gen. The only hope they have based on their current comeback attention is korean fans. Mostly former Apink fans or young boys. But we will see because I support them
What I hate the most is that some people genuinely expect these idols to be completely innocent when it comes to relationships ships and sex😐 Idc about an idol's sex life but the fact that some fans think they have never even kissed someone makes me scream.
They expect these idols to be oblivious to the world, but be the same people watching 18+ fanfics and wishing their idols could have sex with them. Like chile-
yeah that's fuckin weird. like i'm 14 and i've kissed someone, and you're gonna tell me a 21 year old man hasn't kissed anyone in their whole life-? (not saying that if you haven't kissed anyone by that age it's a bad thing :v)
When people say they miss the old taehyung, i feel bad for him tbh. he was literally a teenager and has MATURED. this is the real him and people are basically telling him that they don’t like the real him. it’s so annoying. And the people that sl*t shamed Jungkook for his My Time performance.. i have something to say to you. HE AINT UR BABY BOY AND HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS this is the real him and if you can’t support him, then don’t sl*t shame him and kindly leave the fandom
i'm surprised to hear people were critical of his performance.. i was only seeing positive reception but maybe that's just the people i follow.. really though, why feel anything but proud that he could finally have the chance to sing and perform the song ;-; i was really happy to see his vision for the performance..
@@TooflessSapien Like I was surprised when 'dangerous woman'(that was such a long time ago lol) came out bc at the time I think I was like 9 and i understood what like the song meant and was like " uhm Chile this ain't Ariana" but then i realized how dumb I was bc she was becoming an adult lol and since I obv new about things like sex and stuff she would obvs know it too lol
It's because they don't love and respect the actual person, they idolize their own perception of who that idol is and when that idol acts outside of their perception they can't accept it.
An example of this is when some ppl call jungkook junglebook or johnc*ck or smth like that when CLEARLY said that he used to get bullied bc of his name and that he doesn't like being called like that, like how hard is it to respect someone's name. Also when some person shows them how to say the member's names right and they say this iM nOt kOrEaN tHo, if someone doesn't pronounce my name right even after I corrected them I would be furious. I saw a tiktok video where someone called jungkook junglebook and there were some cmnts that said "its jungkook not junglebook" and the replys literally said iTs a jOkE, which is clearly not funny bc that's just pure disrespect. Anyways sorry for all of this😅
@@strawberryseob i defiantly agree. when I was a baby army a lot of people called him junglebook so I did too. I mean I didn't see anything wrong with it. but now its the most annoying thing to me. when ppl call him jungc*ck it disgusts me. they're not only making fun of his name but sexualizing him as well and those both are sensitive topics. I swear some ppl treat idols like objects.
I think a good example of fans not letting an idol grow up is taehyung from bts. Recently he has been more reserved and not as playful as he was at debut, and some fans insist that it's because there's something wrong with him, he's depressed, or he dislikes being an idol. The reality is just that he's grown up and matured, and in in the soop tae and jungkook even talk about this. You can't expect this adult man to still act like he did when he debuted as a teenager, especially when he has been working professionally as an artist for years. Also, assuming such serious things about him and his life is hella rude and crossing so many boundaries as a fan who doesn't know him irl
@@ykamn I think a part of the problem is that idols are portrayed as being our friends/partners so fans feel like they actually know them and have the right to analyse them, and I think another part is how mental illness is misunderstood and reduced to just simple symptoms like depression=being sad sometimes. It's like a really unfortunate result of how information spreads online and fan culture
I agree.. i miss the playful tae alot and my heart skips a beat every time he smiles but we don't really know what he's thinking. all we can do is trust him. If he's not doing well, he has many amazing people by his side willing to help him. but he has said recently that he's doing well and that he's happy
i have a lot of problems with a lot of idol culture i guess. - calling someone who is literally only 25-29 old is not ok. - height shaming. so many fans tease their idols for being short. it is literally not ok. - overly sexualizing and overly babying their idols. it makes them uncomfortable, please STOP! - teasing idols for not liking aegyo or forcing them to do so when they are CLEARLY uncomfortable - shipping in any form unless said idols are already dating fans need to realize that idols do not like being babied. also me being indian i literally felt so bad about indians being hated on for no reason. i am not religious but i do acknowledge my culture wtf blinks do take it too far and blackpink have done not so good things with our culture.
@@bread3987 i believe that to be cultural appropriation, as an indian hindu, no matter if they are mocking them or not. similar to how some companies make idol wear dreads - even if they think its cool to wear them themselves, its still appropriation of black culture.
@@bread3987 no offence, but who are you to tell me where my own culture comes from? bindis are a religious symbol in Hinduism symbolising the third eye of the Hindu diety Shiva. Please don't assume.
It reminds me of Taemin tbh. He was VERY young when he debuted (14), now 13 years later people still treat him like a child. Maybe it's because I didn't see him growing up but he is now a 27 year old man who has ambitions and knows what he does. Sometimes it's pure cringe to see the fans babying all over him.
Late to this comment lol but THANK YOU. I became a fan of his a little after Move so perhaps I just never got too attached to his "baby maknae" image. Maybe that's impacting my view of how people respond to him? I think it's gotten somewhat better bc people acknowledge him as the skilled performer that he is. However I still see so much of that "baby cheese Taeminnie" sentiment in places and it freaks me out. The man will say (rather lightheartedly but still) he wants to be "cool" but the babying persists. It's only ramped up now that he's on that damn Bubble app doing all the silly "fans are like my only friends/lovers uwu🥰" shit. And ofc fans drink it up because that's how fanservice works. Meanwhile I'm seeing it thinking "God this man must really be dedicated to his job to do this kind of shit after 12 years".
I also think international fans may unintentionally fall into perpetuating a racial stereotype, which is that asian people are less mature, manly, and are cuter than people of other races. It’s the same problem as the “angry black woman” (even though the latter is obviously more harmful). Just think about how white men obsess over Japanese “waifus”, and think Asian girls are cuter and more obedient than women of other races.
yes!!! some people think that asians are all "CuTe UwU aNiMeGiRl/AnImE bOy😳👉👈!!" like, imagine how weird it must be: you are a normal student, you study in Japan and live your life normally with your classmates at your school. some weeb shows up at your school saying anime things and saying that japanese schoolgirls are AnImEgIrLs UwU kAwAii WwAiFuUuuUu CuTe VoIcE sEnPai oNii-ChAn❤️😳😻🌺🐰🍒🍬🍱👉👈😫
I just want to say it’s VERY easy to fall into these stereotypes because of how ingrained it is in our society. So if you catch yourself accidentally doing this just try your best to make sure you don’t do it again. And again when I say it’s VERY easy to fall into these stereotypes I mean it’s very easy. If anyone wants me too explaining more I can if you would like 👍
@@dikshasingh02 Lmao it’s fine. The comment above said that international fans can fall into these racial stereotypes of seeing Asian people as only innocent people. (The model minority myth) this makes you see Asians as super smart, never doing drugs, never drinking and that is what makes you infantilize them. Calling them babies saying they shouldn’t know anything about sex. Giving them bibs and shit😳. But since sooo many racial stereotypes are ingrained into our society we can’t really catch ourselves accidentally saying something stereotypical. Or catch ourselves falling into these stereotypes. I’m black and sometimes I get embarrassed because I’m wonder if I’m to ghetto around other people if I use AAVE so I stop myself from using it in front of white people. I have heard a lot Asians say that they need to do better in school because they also know the model minority myth and want to live up to that because imagine people seeing an Asian homeless or in the streets doing drugs and thinking “they could’ve have done so much better.” Not because of they are disappointed in you for being homeless or doing crime but because “all Asians south or east are supposed to be smart.” They wouldn’t think the same thought for seeing a Hispanic or Black person out homes less because we have always been under estimated. I can go on and on about how all minorities are self conscious about themselves to please the straight white male but we would be here for YEARS. So yeh hope this helped lolz.
Not entirely related, but does anyone else have disdain for aegyo? I know it's a part of Korean culture, but I personally find it weird for a grown adult to speak in a "baby" voice and make cute/baby gestures. I'm less bothered by an idol doing something cute naturally, but forced aegyo is not my cup of tea.
I agree , I’ve never seen the Apeal and it’s just not cute especially when the idols doing it are grown people . For those who feel comfortable doing it it’s not a problem but it is bad when you can clearly see that is forced 😂😂🤦🏾♀️
This isn't even just in K-pop, I've seen it in large fandoms outside of K-pop too, particularly in the Marvel fandom with Tom Holland; and in some cases, it even extends to people who are in their 30s and 40s like Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan. It's absolutely disgusting that fandoms are STILL doing this.
It’s in everyday life: men are treated like “boys will be boys” and are held not responsible while women are expected to behave as their mothers. Patriarchy.
Kpop companies and labels really do not be helping either... them telling certain idols to have to play the role of the “cute member” or “childish member” is a huge part of it. Like I’m pretty sure ever kpop stan has seen a video of an idol cringing and freaking out after doing aegyo 😭😭and it’s always the staff and company telling them to maintain that image which reinforces it to gain popularity
Even when they're still young, it still makes me uncomfy. Like? I don't like aegyo AT ALL and whenever an MC asks an idol to do aegyo i'm like "ah shit here we go again" and cover the screen with my hand because it's just unbearable to look at. I know some idols who are just naturally cute on their own (Han Jisung, Seungmin, Chuu, Eunha, JiU) and I personally like that, it's not forced and "baby-like'' if you can say it like that. Also idols who are cute without trying actually makes me go pretty soft and not cringe about it, idk how to explain it, the idols aren't uncomfortable and they know that someone isn't forcing them to be cute so it just comes out.
Aegyo is good if the idol is comfortable with it and likes to do it, I personally like aegyo but I don't think people who don't like to do it should not be forced to do it.
i feel like idol fans always stay in two sides of a spectrum one: their idols are children. not only they are innocent to the world, but also are absolutely unable to make choices for themselves and every attitude the fan deems "wrong" or "immoral" is their companies fault, as you said they stop holding them accountable for their actions two: they are grown people who HAVE S*X. THEY ARE ACTIVE. THEY ARE BANGING AS WE SPEAK. There is always an emphazis of sexual activities and a hyper-sexualization that borders some reeeally gross things and shows a lack of sense of the idols privacy. and it usually happens during comebacks, where the concepts change and their style adapts to the sound of the album
I don't think most fans are like that, but there is a serious issue. I also dont like the idea that "all your idols have had sex", cause I doubt it. Sure, most of them have, but I doubt all of them. Some may be asexual, or gray sexual, or just want to wait. Not saying that all idols haven't had sex, but just that some haven't, and I feel kinda weird when ppl are like "they have all, without a doubt, have had sex". Edit: I feel weird as well when people act as if none of them have had sex.
@@beatm6948 i agree slight. Definitely some idols have had relationships and definitely all of them learned about sex SOME point in their lives. but at the end of the day, their sex lives are not for us to speculate about :[
imo, i see no issue CALLING an idol “baby” or babying them when you see a cute video, or they look really cute and innocent in a pic or something as a form of admiration INDIRECTLY. it’s similar to thinking an idol is hot or something, on the other side of the spectrum. I DO, however, have an issue when fans TREAT the idol as a baby. IT IS an issue when you treat them as a baby irl and call them “baby” directly to them. IT IS an issue when someone cannot distinguish between babying them as a compliment(? idk if that’s the right word) and babying them seriously. to me at least, i see babying in two ways: for example, “omg look at _____ here!!! ____ is so cute here omg my baby 🥺” to me, that’s ok as long as that’s all there is to it without projecting that image onto them outside of that one brief moment. another example of what i’m talking about is something like “hi ____, please say you love me but with aegyo!!” or “____ is a sweet baby, they would never do that” when they’ve done something wrong. there’s a fine line between the two, but i beg of you, if you baby your idols on your own time, DO NOT let it crossover and DO NOT apply it to the real world where you only see them in that light. THEY ARE ADULTS, so please don’t treat them like a baby
personally I'm fine if fans are just joking about it like "aw he/she is so cute" but if they are literally just like "no he/she can't drink he/she's just a baby" like bruh have you forgotten that they are adults??
Yeah, she really looks young. And this is actually a common problem for women, and likely men too. They don't get taken seriously cause they look young and sweet.
@@beatm6948 Yeah, asians have softer features so because of it many times they are infalizased. Maybe that's why when kpop groups go to promote in the west, many interviewers don't take them serious and ask dumb questions such as "What's your favourite colour?" or "What's your favourite english word?" They treat them like they are children 🤦🏾♀️
There's that true but I also see people babying suga from BTS all the time for example. Like "hes such a small bean" etc when im like dude hes a grown ass man pursuing his own career as a rapper, hes arguably the most 18+ when it comes to his own music and he channels that rage and anger in his music super well you cannot call him a smol bean lmao
8:58 This is basically what’s happening with Taehyung. So many people are like “Tae is so cold now he isn’t as happy and jokey as he used to be. Why is taehyung sad I want giggly playful Tete back☹️” and acting like he’s depressed and overly serious. It just makes me think????? The man is 25, not 17/18 anymore, the reason he ‘isn’t as playful’ is because he has matured from a teenager into a man, why is that so hard to understand?
I mean he did seem to have a hard time, but yeah people need to chill and back off from his back... It's like just appreciate Taehyung now? Appreciate that he's grown up and that he is way more mature than he was years ago?
there's a differences between being a soft stan and infantilizing idols and thats were the problems starts to form and people misunderstand, we are not saying don't call your idols cute but we are saying to keep in mind that if they drink, smoke, vape, get a tattoo, or GET A GIRL/BOYFRIEND, they can WHY????, because they are grown men and women.
THIS. There is *absolutely nothing wrong* with being a soft stan and finding people cute, especially people who are much younger than you. If a newly-debuted idol is, say, 10 years younger than you and still a minor, of course you would find their mannerisms and actions endearing and sweet, even when they grow up to become a legal adult. There's also the age hierarchy culture of Korea making it so that one is always playing a role in the group dynamic; the baby of the bunch will never not be be the baby of the bunch, no matter how old they get. That being said, however, people do deserve to mature as they get older, and it's this stifling of this natural desire to grow that I think is the real problem in the community at large, *not* cute, fresh, playful concepts (I could go on a whole spiel here about how happy, bright, cute concepts are not and should not be seen as exclusive to The Youth, but that's a rant for another day) or aegyo or finding people cute/adorable instead of sexy/hot. It is quite possible to acknowledge and accept that someone is a legal adult who is capable of making their own decisions, while also acknowledging that you will always see them as a little brother/sister who will always have their own special brand of cuteness to you no matter how old they get.
@@cyndixx they won't let me make my own Mac n cheese, they won't let me go past 3 blocks from my house, they won't let me have sleepovers with friends, I'm not allowed to go to the pack
@@yourworstnightmare4252 My mom won't let me go to get the mail. It's maaaaaybe 10 mins away from our apt. And she's like "I'll sit out here and wait for you." As she stares at me the entire time.
Also, another good example of this was when Heechul and Momo started dating. Fans were angry because Heechul was “fetishizing Japanese girls” and “he was only dating her because he liked cute Japanese girls.” Yeah, I get that the age gap is a little unexpected, but they’re both adults. It’s not like Momo is 18 or 19, she’s 24 and smart enough to make decisions for herself.
jungkook has literally said that bighit would not let him bulk up because they wanted him to be the youthful pure image of the band but now that hes growing up, people deadass tried to make him feel like he made a mistake by just living his life AS A 23 YEAR OLD.
Would also be interesting to see a video on insulting some idols as being "old" just because they are nearing their 30s. As if they would go into retirement or something :/ Do i even have to name examples?
@@Ilovecats_07 I honestly believe the reason why is because he's the second shortest in the group. because of that, people doesn't really pay attention at the fact that he's the second oldest in the group. i've seen tweets that say how surprise yoongi is 27 years old but he's "smoll and a cute baby". like no, this dude is a grown ass man and i can tell that he doesn't like that aegyo or babying shit.
Calling someone a ‘baby’ isn’t INHERENTLY problematic, but as someone who *hates* being babied and has an inferiority complex: PLEASE THINK ABOUT HOW THE IDOLS FEEL AND DO **NOT** BABY THEM IF THEY SAY THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE. PLEASE.
I'd also like to talk about how BigHit has perpetuated this baby image with JK. Idk if y'all have noticed, but the number of cooing noises I hear in things like In the Soop and Bon Voyage is absurd.
Yeah big hit has been shoving this image on JK for years, I think it can be cute sometimes when it’s something about him being the youngest, but they do it all the time. They are really not helping the situation of literal 12-17 year olds infantilizing a grown man.
tbh they do those baby noises with every single member when they do something cute, and ive heard that sound affect being used in multiple , not only korean, but asian reality shows and stuff
Jaemin went on a whole ass rant on vlive about how he’s “21” and “not a baby” and then people still kept calling him a baby...like ma’am he’s twenty ONE YEARS OLD
This is the first thing that I thought of tbh. He looked so uncomfortable even as he was saying "fine, you can call me your baby". The Dreamies are all adults now, not little kids, and if any of them ask people to stop treating them like little kids, then stop treating them like little kids.
Yeah that’s was sad but like every single member of dream is called a baby. Renjun even said that the company told him to keep an innocent image. Also we all know that no one in nct is innocent as some fans claim like not even dream (119 and drippin)
fans saying "omg he can't do tats, he can't show his body, he baby" then making grown ass idols wear babyhats, making them hold feeder bottles during fansigns is literally disguting asf
@YoungL Atleast they're talking about the stuff the idols do when they're at the age. Giving them feeding bottles and baby hats, pacifiers aren't cute, they're just making them seem like a baby, when they're not. Why can't your so called "culture" understand that these people you're babying are grown adults? They're grown adults and their face features or their behaviour won't change that fact so stfu
@YoungL BRO? One of the biggest examples of targets of this culture is 23. FUCKING 23, AND YALL STILL BABY HIM. Tzuyu, also one of the targets, is 22. And Chuu, of LOONA, is 22 as well. These are enough to prove that the babying culture is plain stupid. The idols I have mentioned are all grown ups, and they know about all these stuff, believe it or not. Sex education exists. They're not THAT innocent as you think they are. Have u even watched the video? Why are you still fighting in this section? Obviously this isn't for people like you.
@YoungL Lmao I- you really think you're pure after knowing everything about what happens in it? The moment you find out about it, you're basically not pure, cause it's stored in ur mind. Besides, when did I say they had an Intercourse? Ofc they can know about it and still not do it, but once you know about it, your mind isn't pure anymore lmao I can't with ur comment
@YoungL The act is completely normal and biological, there's no need for such emoji to be associated with. And okay I guess? As long as you remember they're still grown ups and not as innocent as you think they are
@YoungL It's literally not?? How is sex horrible?? How is attraction to it horrible? You're just shaming people who have professions and also shaming people who like it.
I think you could’ve mentioned Lucas and the smoking incident. I was worried about his health, but he is at the legal age to smoke and people are acting like he’s still a baby ugh Edit: I know some of you have only seen memes about it but idk, I’ve seen some people infantilizing him over smoking so who knows
I actually didn't see any nctzens act like he's a baby. Most nctzens were literally making memes about it and didn't really care and even told others that he's an adult in the comments, there were a very little amount that was acting like he's still a baby
Tae too. Who knows if they smoke. I'd prefer if they didn't, just as I'd prefer anyone else not to smoke, but in the end, it is not my life, and I shouldn't try to control it.
I remember the whole fiasco that occurred when that statue appeared in Blackpink’s video. The people that spoke out were rightfully angry but I kept seeing toxic blinks doxxing, bullying, and harassing them. We don’t really know for sure if Blackpink has creative freedom when it comes to their music videos, however, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold them or their team accountable for offensive/ignorant actions. This whole “they’re Korean they don’t know any better” statement is so ignorant. Instead of actually holding their faves accountable, they always deflect with the argument of them not being from the same country. Ignorance should not be tolerated, especially by those who are looked at and idolized by thousands of people.
@@prettyrat. it was cultural appropriation and disrespectful to people who are Hindu that why we as fans need to educate them so that it doesn’t happen again
i agree with literally everything you said- you’re seriously so smart, well researched and well spoken when it comes to hot button topics like this!! thank you for the work you put into your videos!!
stan kpop for clear skin that wasn’t about their music, that was about their management. since YG has a lot of money, they can get away with things like the one comeback a year structure and limited music show/variety show performances. if they were under another company, i don’t think this would be able to work. i do listen to BP and i liked their newest album a lot! being critical of YG does not an anti make. i wish the gals nothing but success :)
Old men obdessed with female idols portraying a school girl style to me is gross. I hate when I'm watching any live and the whole fan chant sound like middle age men. Specially when the female idols are still minors.
Yesss finally someone said it omg. I remember watching a video of Twice during a performance, I don't remember exactly where it was, but I saw the crowd and like 85% (no joke) of the audience was all men and I can't lie, I got scared, cause I can't imagine how uncomfortable that must have been and still is for all the girls (both Twice and the girl fans). Like I don't know if it's just me but I find it so creepy😕
A couple things I hate: 1. over-babying older idols. sure, appreciate them being cute or whatever but saying things like "protecc the babie!1!11" is just annoying, like hes 25 and ur 13 you dont need to protect him. 2. trying to act "knowlegeable" about korean culture and like "educating people". trust me, if you havent grown up with korean parent/s or been to korea or just been immersed in that culture entirely, you dont know shit about them. coming from an indian-american who frequently gets "educated" about my own culture that eventually turn out to be incorrect "facts". 3. sexualizing minors. Its confusing to me how yall can be so overprotective over jungkook and taehyung, who are literally 23 and 25 respectively, but for huening kai yall yall just let loose. granted hes not a minor anymore but earlier yall werent so shy about sexualizing a 17 year old. 4. not giving idols their freedom. bro theyre already controlled by their companies to a great deal (looking at you, YG and SM). so many fans get so mad at literally anything they do, whether its wearing a shirt, getting tattoos, writing a song in a diff style, etc. if they dont want to do aegyo, they dont have to. if they want to get tattoos, they can if its legal. yall get so mad when youre precious perfect idols do something they want to do and then blow up at YG for being controlling. make it make sense. 5. yall seem to forget that these idols are young people who just happen to make music and have fame. they are much younger than a lot of the hollywood stars and singer in america. they are human. its easy to forget that theyre not some kind of superhero or magician. theyre just a group of boys and girls singing and doing what they love. that isnt the only thing that defines them. please try to see them as human.
Don't at me Armies but * deep breathes 😤 * calling Jimin "baby mochi" is actually wierd af. Like he a grown man. He cute but there's a creepy community out there that likes to infantilize BTS/other idols. pacifier edits is wrong and NOT OK. (Unless the actual idol themself is ok with it for a laugh) y'all have need to go to a mental hospital 🤦🏻♀️ plus "baby mochi" literally sounds like what elders would call toddlers lmao
I mean, we (i personally dont but im speaking of the fandom in general) do treat him like a child sometimes, but specifically with that nickname he's not uncomfortable with that - for reference you can watch the Karaoke video with James Corden (the one w them in the car), they joke around with that and even jimin calls james papa mochi
eh, i don't know about this tho. Like Jimin calls himself a baby mochi, and he was seen laughing and joking with James Corden when he called him baby mochi. it seems as though jimin himself is fine with it, and i don't think there's ever been a time when he said that he doesn't like to be called a baby mochi. but still, there are people that legitimately baby him, especially when it comes to his height and the fact that he does the most aegyo out of all the members in the group, people will use that excuse to baby him. it actually kinda remind me of the "jimin, you have no jams" thing where people overused it to the point where it's unfunny and cringy. like it's gotten to the point where people actually think that jimin is short and get so surprise that he's actually pretty fucking tall when they meet him irl (being 5'8 is not short, i'm 5'2 and i honestly believe jimin fucking towers over me), he's just the shortest in the group. or like people get surprise at the way jimin looks when he's not smiling (dude got a mean ass resting bitch face and i like it), they would say how intimidating he looks because of the fact that he isn't being cute or when he actually wants to be serious. or they would baby him just because he has small hands. like it's honestly weird lol
I like those tweets where they treat western artists the same way kpop stans do. “uwu Kanye is a mochi bunny” “Kitten Ed Sheeran” “Nuu Varg is an innocent baby, he not white supremacist murderer”
As a 19 year old from the UK, who also has several learning, social, physical and mental disabilities. I've been babied in high school by friends, who would call me a baby. And deliberately hung out with me to take me for ice cream and sweets, and then to the play park. I never thought I had a childish fashion, but I wear a lot of soft colours with cute animals on them that are baggy, but that's for my special needs. I'm not trying to be any one's baby. I don't know if she was my girlfriend or just friend, but whenever we went back to her house, she'd play violent video games, knowing I'd get upset by them. And she'd hold my head on her knee and stroke my hair very slowly. I didn't know how it made me feel at the time, because I wasn't seeing my doctor and therapist, and learning about emotion and interaction. And looking back on this, it made me uncomfortable. I enjoy playing with toys and swinging on the swings, but that doesn't mean she could baby me, and use this to her fantasies. I was infantilized, and it isn't fun or nice. You feel like you aren't a person in their eyes, just a thing for their fun. All of these idols will feel the same way as me. I was gifted things too. I usually get toys anyway, and love presents of teddies and my model horses. But she gave these to me, because I think I was her baby. I felt upset whenever she'd give me these things. She once joked, when we saw a toddler in a harness, that she should get one of them for me. I ran away from her that day, and almost got hit by a car. If It wasn't a slow driver, I wouldn't be here today. Stop treating idols like this, it's not fun for them. I don't understand how you could find this fun, but there's a lot of people like this person, who did this to me. And that scares me. And makes me scared for these idols feelings and health. I can't cross the street without help, so they probably wouldn't nearly get run over trying to escape. But everyone saying there's no harm in this, should please reconsider.
First, I'm sorry that person did that to you. I hope you have a good support group you can rely on. Second, I had a similar experience myself with infantilized. I'm not good at picking up social clues and generally can't read the room but several times in the past, a few of my friends (and others) would treat me like a child, despite the fact that I'm older than most of them. I will admit that I like being looked after (to a certain extent) and I understand that I come across as very naive and obtuse but I'm not *that* ignorant. I know I dress very cutely and I love the colour pink but people won't see past that. To them, they see a rather innocent and naive 20-year old who can't grasp the concept of sex or drugs,, etc. So they feel the need to talk to me in a motherly, slow voice and leave me out of conversations surrounding such topics. I distinctly remembered being at a house party with my friends and they purposely starting conversations around sex, which I don't mind talking about, but they were huddled in a corner talking in low voices and when I tried to join in, they said it didn't concern me. At the end of the night, I texted one of my friends how deeply upset I was at being treated like that and laid out how tired I was of being babied by them. Thankfully, they listened to me and understand how they were treating me was wrong. They haven't infantilized since. People have no idea how embarrassing and upsetting it can be to be infantilized. It's insane how people have this image of you in their head and how they go through such great lengths to protect this idolised version of you.
I’m starting to feel like a bad person for actually liking it when people talk to me like I’m a child, because everyone else seems to hate it and find it dehumanising. Question: is it only infantilisation if the other person doesn’t like it? I also have a mental disability (I was born with it). I was left out of absolutely everything my high school friends did because I couldn’t leave the house on my own (and I still can’t). I also can’t cross the road on my own. I can’t even go _anywhere_ on my own because I’ll either get lost or get hit by a car. When someone tries to talk to me like I’m an adult, I just kind of have to pretend to understand what they’re talking about I guess, because I usually have no clue. I’d cry every time I got lost in _high school._ There was a girl in one of my classes that would talk to me in that high-pitched voice when she was helping me with something. I remember talking to her about what my favourite colour was one time, lol.
i've also noticed that the infantilization of idols can go hand-in-hand with the sexualization of idols like, a bg member might be a bit shorter or not as muscular as an ideal male idol, so they'll automatically have a "cute innocent" image, which gives creepy shippers/18+ stans room to shove them into a "tiny soft feminine bottom that has to be taken care of" stereotype and it's disgusting. i've seen too much of it and blocked too many accounts
And then on the opposite end of the spectrum people like to force a sexy image on younger idols and sexualise minors which is just as bad, if not worse
when grown idols do aegyo i feel all of my organs simultaneously shirvel up and turn to dust, i feel like ants are underneath my skin like....the cringe is astronomical
Thank you for talking about IU in this video. Her evolution as an artist and as a person is wonderful and tangible in her music, but the way that people have responded to this (with Twenty-Three in particular, since that is one of my personal favourites in terms of lyrics) is honestly so ignorant.
There’s some ppl mentioning the “Taehyung matured” thing in the comments but he said himself that he was actually depressed. He mention it in a Weverse magazine and Blue & Grey. Did y’all see the new album? There’s a difference between only maturing and not being happy. He also said he’s doing better now.
I'm so glad you talked about this. I see this issue so much and half of the time people just ignore it or say "we're not babying them"... yes you are weirdo, especially in the nct fandom, it's so common and uncomfortable. Also when these people are children themselves calling the idols innocent babies, like no that man is ten years older than you he's almost thirty, shut up. It's such a shame too because I doubt this issue will go away anytime soon because people are weird
He is a grown ass man and some people don’t know that. They only person on this planet that should be looking at this man as a child is his mother. (About jungkook)
i agree with this bestie and i also wanna say the infantilization of idols also has some racial implications? if that’s the right word. i’m not saying infantilizing idols is inherently racist but i think it’s important to consider the patterns and historical associations regarding this topic. like asian ppl (esp. asian women) have been stereotyped with childlike, youthful features and given childlike traits too like ugh idk i could write an essay on this it’s just weird and gross and it has undertones i’m not a fan of 😕
Infantilisation is more than just association to children. It's denying autonomy and competency. Which unfortunately happens with the kpop area. Sorry this had nothing much to do with the video but I see the term infantilisation misunderstood. Like how making a cartoon aimed at adults is infantilising. That's not infantilisation. That's just nostalgia with a hint of trying to seem acceptable to a larger audience
I agree when junkook cussed and said the F word I was so surprised and on twitter haters said that junkook should not cuss and what? Like before you say your words learn more about it like he's like 20+ and he's not 18 like omg
People thinking that Jungkook doesn't know what sex is are clowns. How are you as a FAN going to believe that this *23-YEAR-OLD* MAN doesn't know what sex is?! ESPECIALLY WHEN HE GREW UP AROUND 6 OTHER TEENS/MEN!!!! CLOWNS!!!! And don't even get me started on the idea that there is a single soul in BTS who is still a virgin.... like please go buy some glasses and start looking at them for what they are... adults.
The difference between an idol being sexy and cute is that one is often forced, unlike the other one. When idols do sexy concepts you can SEE their charisma they KNOW what they are doing and it is because they WANT to do it. When idols are asked to do aegyo and other childish stuff there is a reason why they get so shy, uncomfortable, and stiff. I am convinced people that baby their ADULT idols are very young, there is just no other explanation. As you grow into an adult and even in your teens you become mature both mentally and physically, your mindset isn't the same, and if you are old enough you know that.
hey, this was a great video. it really made me self reflect on past actions i have done, and made me re-think them. this really isn’t right, and it should stop. reading the comments, i have also learned some things as well. i feel horrible for doing some of these things, being so ignorant, unaware of idols feelings. to the people who are also learning, we are learning, us humans make mistakes. now that we know, we should improve from now, and avoid making these mistakes again. i am so glad people pointed this out, or else i would have continued doing these horrible things. i feel horrible, and i hope to improve and a fan, and a person as well. thank u so much for making this video.
In a video Jungkook whispered something to J-Hope and J-Hope told the fans that Jungkook was grown up and what Jungkook told him was the same thing that they are thinking
The infantilization of jeongguk is actually scary. Like yeah, jeongguk can be really cute, but that's just him being an endearing human, that doesn't mean you should see him as some baby or something, he's a full grown man and I wish these infantilizers saw him in person bc I know they won't be making the same noise then when they finally see that jeongguk can squash em like a bug
I usually have no problems with people saying "oh they're so cuteee, like a baby🥺" cos I know they don't mean anything malicious by it. I'm lucky enough that I only follow people that are completely down with idols being cute or sexy or whatever. I didn't even know there were people that talked that way about Jungkook (about him not knowing sex), they must have had a panic attack when he said Fuck in the Savage Love remix lmaooo
This topic is really relatable to me, I'm always seen as the little sister even to strangers. I'm tired of people thinking I'm so innocent, like bruh I'm almost an adult!!
the only way you should treat an idol like their a child is if their a actual minor not someone who’s 21+. for example, Treasures doyoung haruto, jeongwoo, and junghwan are all very young they shouldn’t be sexualized in anyway shape or form because their M I N O R S. i’m not saying it’s okay to sexualize members that are older i personally don’t think any of the members need to be sexualized whether their 18+ or 21+ their people. start treating idols like their age.
and start treating idols like people. not like objects. they shouldn’t be sexualized like how they are. it’s so stupid. ugh i sometimes really hate the kpop community.
I saw a post recently saying that redvelvetsus does not give her points coherently and isnt well educated. um?? I will always send this video in response ur amazing keep going xx
and then some Kpop fans would go around calling jimin mochi, jungkook a bunny, etc, and then they call yoongi a cold-hearted person if he doesn't do aegyo.
