I've had a corded 12" double-slide beveling Makita saw for 10 years, it was their top of the line at the time. It's been through a couple of serious kick back incidents where some plastic parts and the fence was damaged. OEM parts are still available and replaced with a perfect fit maintaining the saw's accuracy, Makita is amazing! Never thought about replacing it with the new design until now, (mine does have a laser) which never really bothered me that much. Great video, always stick with the tool design that you like, after all it's your money and your talent at the cutting edge of that saw.
It's really a 36v battery. A 4ah 36v battery will be equivalent to an 18v 8ah battery. I seriously doubt you will have any issues. Especially if you keep the charger by the saw and charge it during breaks in cutting or at lunch. I have both Milwaukee and Makita tools. They are both great, as are DeWalt, Bosch, Metabo HTP, and others. Lots of great tools out there. I agree on the shadow vs the laser. I have the 36v Makita 10in with laser and the Milwaukee 7 1/4 with the shadow led. Both are great saws but I prefer the shadow. The laser is fine once you get used to it. But my 10in Makita is like 60lbs! They lightened them up evidently. Don't get wrapped around the axle over brushed vs brushless in corded tools. Brushes last for years and are easily replaced in just a minute or two. Brushed tools work fine. I don't know of any brushless corded saws(except belt driven saws with induction motors). But if they are out there, it's pretty much a gimmick. Brushless tools were made to get the most out of batteries. Being corded kind of eliminates most of the reasons for brushless motors. Most saws run at one speed and the motor is optimized for that speed.
I was just about to comment the same thing on the brushless thing. The whole purpose of brushless is battery maximization which isn't an issue with electric. And when a brushless motor burns out it's way more expensive to repair. They also don't slowly burn out like brushes. They just blow all at once and the entire motor needs replacing
Don’t worry about the durability of the batteries as far as impact resistance . Mine get BRUTALIZED by me. No failures. They last longer than my co-workers’ Milwaukee batteries. In my experience.
I've had Makita tools fail on me(rarely) and Makita has always been super supportive of my tools and business and gone beyond the warranty. They've also had techs contact me about exactly how it failed, under what conditions and how much use I give their kids. That's unheard of CS. Of course I also mostly buy my power tools at a retailer that only sells tools. Home Depot don't care lol
@@singlefather01 the previous owners of Milwaukee power tools sold the company to TTI years ago. It was an American company up until maybe 20 years ago. However, there is still a US headquarters in Milwaukee and they still do make and assemble a few things here. Supposedly they're hiring more in the US and are supposed to be doing more manufacturing as well. Also, TTI is a hong Kong company, not Chinese. Hong Kong is still independent for the time being. They do most of their manufacturing in mainland China, just like DeWalt and so many other companies.
Glad i came back to this video. I was about to replace my old dewalt with a makita corded miter saw. I didnt know they were all brushed. Also i think the corded only offer the laser. Have to fact check that. I may have to go with the 40v myself. I am also in a shop.
Makita has been the tool platform to my success. My customers see my Makita outfit and they all convert to Makita as their Robi,Decker,raftsmen,idgid, waukee,osch,tabo, have been unreliable at their most crucial time. Makita blower is what blows them away and the Makita vacuum is what sucks them in. 😊
Uh, not really an 8Ah battery. The Makita battery has cells in series and parallel, to achieve the 40Vmax (36V nominal) at 4Ah. It actually runs at the higher voltage, unlike DeWalt's Flexvolt which as the other person said, will be 1/3 the Ah at 60Vmax. The Milwaukee battery uses cells in parallel to give 18V at 12Ah.
I think you said Makita enough times, you should get them to send you the 10" 40v variant to keep in your truck. You can cut most things with it, it has at least a 6" nested crown capacity and probably 4 5/8 vertical baseboard capacity, but it's a slider.
Makita … Vince at VCG, Makita … must be proud of your hoodie choice. Makita … I’m looking forward to seeing your dust collection Makita … hooked up. Your shop is coming along nicely … Makita. Cheers!
Have been watching you for a couple years now, n so glad I found your channel. You do excellent work along with great tips, n explanations. My self have been using Makita products for years. Around 20 give or take. I bought one Dewalt kit that had a driver/hammer drill combo. It lasted about 7 months before the clutch was no longer working, took it back for an exchange, but needed to bring the entire kit, then was told to just go get another one. Dewalt has a great warranty, I will say that. But it was more than a year and the same thing happened, the clutch on the chuck would not allow me to drill a hole using a paddle or forstner bit. I was able to use it as a hammer drill. So just kept it and that was all I used it for. A new one was 399.00 $. So went back and Makita had a commercial grade driver / hammer drill combo for 160.00$ on sale but no battery. Had plenty of 3.0 amp hour batteries. So glad in everyway with the new Makita drill, will never use Dewalt anymore. Have been an electrician for 40 years, then retired but my go to is Makita. The teal colored is commercial grade, black n white is home use,which is still a great tool. I would also like to thank you for your service. Didn't know till just recently when you said you were a Marine. You and your channel I really enjoy, and even more. Thank you for your video's and your service to our country.
Just a heads up, The M18 12ah is 18v x 12ah = 216 watt hours The Makita 40v 4ah is 40v x 4ah = 160 watt hours. That is to say, that a Milwaukee battery with the same capacity as the 40v 4ah is the M18 18v 9ah.
Makita has got to be wondering why they've had so many returned orders on the 36V with laser 12" miter saws in just a few short weeks! What really must be blowing their minds is having the same customers turn around and place a new order for the 12" 40V with shadow line! Especially on Nov. 28th!
Kapex doesn't come with an entire battery line you could use everywhere on pretty much any trade or task. My 40v XGT batteries work on this miter saw just like those same batteries work on my impact, just the same as they work on my dust extractor, just the same as they work on my planer, etc...etc... That's the biggest benefit of these larger tool companies, and why Festool will more or less always stay niche.
Lots of the subs and tradesmen I've worked around have gone to brushless cordless, without fail, they've had the tools quit working long before the brushed ones. Could be coincidence, maybe not. The guys use both Milwaukee and Dewalt, can't say about Makita. Changing brushes is not complicated and my corded miter saws (4) ,the oldest a Makita, going past twenty years on the original brushes.
As a 30+ yr drywaller/ plaster I have a Dewalt 1/2 in spade drill that has spun up thousands of buckets of drywall ,plaster and stucco still on the original brushes it just won’t die
Likely the electronics that control the motor fail. Brushed motors are simpler than brushless and a little more robust. Brushless definitely have their advantages, but so do brushed. It looks like the industry will move toward brushless (5-10 years I'd say) with only low end consumer brands/tools remaining brushed.
I have tools in my shop that I have been running for decades without needing new brushes. When is the last time you had to changes brushes on a miter saw?, and be honest, if you ever got to that point, the saw would likely be needing more than just brushes and you would likely be looking to replace the whole thing.
I find brushless tools to be failure prone and extremely underpowered. If you put any load on them whatsoever they just stop and start flashing lights or beeping or whatever. It’s very poor technology.
FYI, brushless motors are D/C (battery) and brushed motors are A/C (house power). This is why all Makita (and probably all brands) corded tools are brushed. To run brushless on A/C, you would have to have a rectifier to convert A/C to D/C.
Brushless motor is a three phase motor so he could install a variable frequency drive to convert his single phase to three phase if he really hates brushes and the carbon they produce plus he would gain variable speed using the VFD.
From my experience, although the "brushless motors " are the latest and greatest. I personally have had bad luck with my Dewalt tools. Several of them crapped out after only a year or two or use. My old "brushed" were bulletproof.
The Makita will only last as long as that battery platform stays in vogue. I have the Makita corded 12" compound dual bevel miter saw I purchased in 2011 and it's still going strong even though it's a brushed motor. I admit, I'm no contractor however, I do use it weekly with all the renovations woodworking and constructing I've been doing over that time. I do like the shadow indicator much better that the old red laser on mine and may have to upgrade at some point. Thanks for sharing and I'm looking forward to receiving the DeWaukita t-shirt and hoodie I ordered. Cheers!
I’m glad you’re expanding and I gotta admit that I’ve always liked Makita they make very reliable tools but I always opted for Dewalt and Milwaukee and that’s!!!! Never even gave Makita a chance but now that I see you doing it and I said to myself why not????if he’s doing it I can do it too and I just bought my first tool kit from Makita which was a saw saw with a set of batteries and I gotta tell ya it feels amazing!!! I couldn’t be happier with my purchase!!!! So thanks for that !!!!! Awesome videos by the way!!!!
When I saw he was complaining about the laser line, I was wondering why he didn’t get this. Then he paid $1,500 to get this one. And he is like a child so excited to open his birthday present. I am kind of like that any time I buy a tool. I remember my very first Ryobi kit. It was so exciting to see all the tools. Then I started buying Milwaukee and Festool. I don’t even remember where I put some of my Ryobi any more. Not to rag on Ryobi, cause they do make great tools I consider professional grade.
I have to agree completely with you on the laser / shadow line thing. I have been working with corded version of this saw past few months and it's great except that I miss my Dewalt's shadow line
I have all three...Milwaukee is powerful and dewalt is something in between of comfort and power. When it comes to ergonomics and comfort makita is the one. I can't say it's more powerful, but it does have some tools that beat the other brands.
You aren't a sell out! You are finally getting up to speed!!! I love the festool But there $1500. 2nd best is Makita and they come with really good blades!!
The corded 12-inch Mikita model is on the top of my list. For all those that own this, have the newer models been packed better and more dialed in than before? I’ve read many reviews of this saw being out of square and having owners unscrew the rod holders up front and placing a wooden stick or some other device and twisting the rods to get the saw dialed in. To me, when buying a saw for $700-800 hundred bucks, it should be damn close.
Not sure if reasoning for battery operated saw makes sense over corded for a shop. I feel like the corded will outlast any battery technology. To each his own I guess
Brushless motor used in cordless tools requires DC electricity, which is the type of electricity supplied by batteries. Corded tools can also use a brushless motor that is called induction motor. These motors generally are very heavy, and can be found on very large tools that you cannot carry around.
Hey Richard, nice miter saw, Im sure it will serve you well. About those batteries, do what we use to do back in 'Nam with ammo mags. we would tape two together upside down to the other and empty one pull it out turn it upside down and jam it back in the weapon and keep on firing, so you could do the batteries the same way, just super glue two together upside down to each other and bam run one dry pop it out, flip it over jam it in and keep on cutting just that quick : - )
Can you check if your lower one piece fence is 100% straight? Also check if the removable fence is straight and 90° to the base? Mine isn’t and I have no idea how to fix it.
I appreciate what you do & for diyers. I'm stuck on most corded tools. Which Makita Slidi g Chop Saw would you suggest. It will be my last purchase as I'm almost 70 yrs old . 👍
Richard I hv a shop ; finish contractor like you (shop is a converted garage so it’s small also). The laser & shadow line pretty much work the same way however one is red one is black? Occasional adjustment of laser needed ? However I rarely use them I make my mark and that is my laser line! You step away from that for whatever reason? Your digging to cut your line consistently thru the day(s). I work alone so I carry everything! And truthfully this whole battery thing?? I hv a truck load of them what a pain? Two chargers going and news flash my saw is not as powerful as a corded go down to half a battery and start doing 8/4 white oak 3/4 cuts it’s done! 40 volt? Not familiar with it ? But trust me here come the 80 volt ? Toss your tools buy more? I want some battery? Some corded for fast easy set up! Long haul out comes the cords! Try ripping (I can keep a line & faster than a table saw) an 8’ 2x12 say 7/8 times with my 37 volt rear handle Makita? No way ! Drag out my mag 77 corded ? All day long! I use them for fast set up! Not a fan! And my nail guns are gas paslodes ; run all day on a half can of gas and one tiny battery plus super light! I hv two Milwaukee’s a pin and 15 for finish however my paslodes R half the weight of your Milwaukee! I watched Kyle (RR buildings) drop his framer 18’ p/u and use it? Actually Greg dropped it off the lift onto the ground (gravel not cement). So do not ditch your compressor keep them for b/u cause ? And keep a corded miter and table! Hey but what do I know?
Without getting into the specifics, to make an AC corded tool use brushless motors would require expensive electronics to make that happen. Your talking making a $700 saw into about a $1200 just to have a brushless motor, which is why you will rarely see a brushless motor in a corded tool. The advantages of brushless motors make perfect sense in battery operated tools that are designed to be small and powerful, in corded tools not so much of an advantage.
Brushless motors start with DC. A controller creates the pulses that cause the motor to spin. Brusheless motors have a stationary stator (the coils). In a brushless motor the bell with magnets spins. A brushed motor is the opposite - the stator spins and the magnets are stationary. The brushes are how the power is connected to the rotating stator coils. A brushless AC motor may spin, but the speed would be fixed in relation to the AC frequency (60Hz). Mopardude is correct in that you would need to first convert the AC to DC and perhaps step down the voltage. The brushless design is very efficient and perfect for battery operated tools where long battery life is desirable. Brushed tools running on AC are simpler and work just fine with a slightly lower efficiency, but who cares.
@@PCHUGGER , I hate being THAT guy, but a stator is stationary by definition. The rotor rotates by definition. In a brushed motor, the stator is called the field, the rotor called the armature. A brushless motor is a 3 phase AC induction motor, with the 3 phase AC power created from a DC supply electronically by pulse width modulation. Some brands (DeWALT & Hikoki) have mains power adapters for their higher voltage brushless tools, which steps up to another level of complexity.
Cant remeber who, but I saw some time ago, that there's someone makin' stainless steel plate with angles to that saw because it has aluminium plate which is getting worn pretty fast
Makita paid him big bucks to paint that window with their color! Once he puts the Makita sticker on it he'll never have to pay for another Makita tool again! All kidding aside... Richard has a strong presence as an influencer on youtube. Makita should sponsor him!
How is the blade wobble/vibration with the 12" I have the 10" and love it. You will love the dust collection system... I think the best on the market. Curious if you agree.
Never used Makita. As an HVAC-R guy who does Carpentry on the side. Milwaukee and Ridgid are my go-to brands. Just never liked the way the Mak looked. And this is the first guy I heard say anything positive about Mak. Has the brand changed, are they improving? While I like the video anyone who is sponsored by any company will no doubt speak in a positive way about the product, they have to. You would not be given tools unless you used and liked them. So, although I respect this guy. His opinion is just that nothing more. And congrats Bro, it is always nice to get free tools. lol
I have the 10” version of this saw and the only issue is the removable fences are not 90 degrees to the table. Had the same issue with my previous Makita 10 incher too.
I get that you want brushless, but Makita corded power tools have superb motors, and the brushes are very easy to replace as opposed to swapping your batteries and not getting the corded power?
I definitely like my 36 V, I’ve trimmed out several houses with it now but my old rigid slider had the shadow casting and that was the biggest drwaback when I went to the Makita saw. Otherwise it’s an excellent saw and I have no complaints
Im looking to get my first mitre saw and want to buy the best going. I Really wish this saw came with an AC adapter. This saw sells for almost 1300 canadian with tax at home depot with no batteries or charger included, which kinda puts this saw out of my budget
Tenryu makes a really good blade and a good blade is everything and they can be resharpened many times.. Also using the correct blade is important!!! I like the heavier blades with teeth that can be reshapened many times.
Have you checked the accuracy of the cut ? I just bought the 216mm (I'm in Australia) blade version of this and over 200mm depth of cut (8 inches) it was 1mm out of square. I took it back to the shop and then checked 2 other saws of the same model and they both had exactly the same error on the same side of the blade. Got a refund and wasted half my Saturday....thanks Makita
Man, why are you doing this to me??? I had the 10 inch 36v back in 2017 and 18 and while I loved it, the laser sucked moose juice and 10 inch saws just don't do it for me. Also, the salt water blowing off the Atlantic onto our screen porch just torched the brushless motor and I got rid of the saw. The framer I hired was running a 780 and I loved that, so I bought one later for work. But now I want this forty volt 12 inch. I NEED a shadow line and my doing more jobs without power is dictating me finally getting a second cordless Miter saw. I almost pulled the trigger on the Milwaukee 12 inch because I love my little M18 7 inch miter saw. But you cannot beat Makita for CS and quality. I could go on for pages on how Makita has supported my business tools after warranties were up. Hit me up and I'll give you an earfull.
The Milwaukee 12ah battery is on 18volts. Having a 40volt battery at 4ah will probably give similar performance. I have a DeWalt 60v Flex saw with 9Ah battery and recently bought a second 6Ah battery. But reading the fine print, it says it's 6Ah when used in the 20volt mode. When plugged into 60volt tools, it's only a 2Ah battery. So 4Ah on 40volts is probably not too bad (although a bigger battery would still be better).
I think, to make corded but brushless tool, it needs to have some more components to convert alternating current from wall outlet to direct curret which you already have in battery powered tools. So it's easier to make brushless battery powered tool than corded one. Sorry for my english.
Having the slide rails remain within the Makita saw's footprint is simple but vital ingenuity compared to the DeWalt 780. Which needs another foot of shelf space at the rear.
Used the previous 12” saw you had over in the UK ,was buttery smooth as you say at first eventually gets a bit stiff and all the degree markings wore off , as long as it stays in the shop it should be great , as soon as it’s out in the elements it soon changes unfortunately. I’m currently using the dcs727n and find it a great little saw .
4aH on an XGT is like a 8aH on an 18v. and the batttery is still small enough to use on small tools. Milwuakee makes the big 12 but only useful for stationary tools
Great video. I'm looking at the same saw. Could you tell me if a festool extractor hose would fit on the dust port? I think you did mention something about an adapter? Thanks. Keep the vieos coming, they are awesome.
Makita! If We talking about miter saw Dewalt is Favorite for shure. Ba you can choose some tools from makita , and some frome dewalt. But miter saw only gewalt. Eavent dewalt yhan festool
I always told myself I would never buy a makita for being so expensive. I ended buying a makita for my first drill sense HD had it on sale for Christmas and I try to tag along other brands like Milwaukee or ridged. Not of big fan of both brands honestly. I end up using makita and I understand why makita is kinda pricey. In my opinion it’s worth it.
Tell me again why the switch from DEWALT Flexvolt to Makita? It does look more compact in operation and anyone’s dust collection has to be better. That said, I have two big batteries plus A/C and the shadow line without which trim work is a lot less fun. And, why bother with the Makita blade when I bet the next time we see this saw it’s going to be wearing F&S?
A 40 volt 4 ah battery is equivalent to a 8 ah 18 volt battery it’s actually only a 36 volt battery but to limit confusion they called it 40 volt and that battery will run all day long but now you’re got 1 Makita in a years time you’ll have a dozen Makita’s
Based on a wealth of internet > Brushed last longer and can be repaired. Brushless, as nice as they are, as good as they are with a performance boost seemingly for "nothing" do seemingly just burn out with potentially catastrophic end of life.
