Lethal drug or beneficial supplement? Here’s the truth about kratom 

Same here man, stay strong.

Have you tried wild lettuce? It is an opioid like substance that is not addictive and there are 2 schools of people, 1 they no longer FEEL pain and are not addicted with use of tea or concentrated pastes, 2 they feel the pain (sometimes chronic) that still feel the pain but DONT CARE, OR IT DOESN'T BOTHER THEM. i am part of the second group and suffering nerve pain and occipital headaches without a cure or reason, feeling the pain that affects your life daily but being comfortably distanced from it without addiction sold me. When its too much wild lettuce works and i move on. Just start slow because you risk being stupid in concentrating it too much and then you stop breathing or other organ failure due to too high of a concentration.

How’s your tolerance? Is it still just as effective as when you began using it? For me, the tolerance and addiction was very problematic. I thought it was helpful (with PTSD) until I started needing bigger and bigger doses just to keep the brutal withdrawal symptoms from kicking in. I felt like a junkie. When I finally quit, it was really difficult and I swear, I’ve never been the same. My mood was absolutely terrible for about a year after I took my last dose. I suspect it screwed up my hormones and neurotransmitters in some way, but I’ll probably never know. Using Kratom was one of my worst decisions. That said, I don’t think it should be illegal. For some people it keeps them away from worse substances, and that’s a really good thing. If it helps you, I am happy that you found relief. I thought it’s definitely more tolerable for some people more than others.

Good job dad Stay strong 💪

@@tewtravelers9586 I haven't noticed any withdrawal. I've been using it for arthritis and depression/anxiety since 2014. My dosage has gone up slowly from 3g per dose to about 15g per dose. and I take 3-5 doses throughout the day. I don't take any on days I don't work and I've had three days off in a row and not even given a thought to kratom or noticed any ill effects. just that I don't feel as good physically. my mother tried it once and said she already felt like she was addicted and never took it again. so I guess it just depends on your personal chemistry.

Untrue, it’s a bit more complex than that. Also a lot of those MDs you reference are actually NURSE PRACTITIONERS (not actual physicians). Do your research

@@ryanfillmore8030I’ve been a chronic pain patient(CRPS,nerve damage, etc) since I was 18. I’m lucky to have a great doctor who specializes in pain management. His old office is now implementing cutbacks on prescription opioids, a large teaching hospital. Without warning. They’re now pushing for injections or an implantable treatment, either electrodes in the back or what I had, a pain pump that sends fentanyl through the spinal column through a catheter.

Mostly they are afraid of losing their medical license. Restrictions on pain medication have gotten completely out of control. You just about have to be on Your death bed these days to get pain relief legally.

Where do you buy from? I need a reliable place to get it.

@@BabyJesus66 I get mine from Blue Magic. Best brand I've tried in the last 4 years. They test everything for heavy metals, and Mytragynine content. Each container has a QR code that will show you the test results. Shipping is fast, the capsules are always consistently 600-625mg each, and high quality too. Strains are very consistent as well, and more potent than a lot of other brands. Another good brand which I really liked is Top Tree Herbs. But I stopped using them because they didn't often carry the strain I liked. They also do not sell high quantities. Their Red strains were very strong and sedative, but took nearly 2 hours to kick in. They mostly focus on selling Kratom in tea form too, which I'm not fond of but some people really seem to like it.

Super Speciosa has great quality. I've been on k for 15 years and this company for about 5. Good consistent quality

Link? Name?

​@@BabyJesus66Leaf Of Life Botanicals. They're online and based in Florida.

@GamerGoneHam Gabapentin, the prescription alternative in my case, causes me to stutter and sometimes I just get stuck mid sentence (Idk how else to explain it other than I feel like I'm about to have a stroke). It also gives me really bad vertigo while it only relieves my pain about 50% of my pain about 65% of the time. Kratom relieves 100% of my pain about 99% of the time. It also seems to have cured the insomnia I have suffered from since I was in jr high school (1984-85). I have seen no adverse effects or negative symptoms from taking kratom. Other than you thinking it sounds good to you in your mind can you offer any other reason why I or anyone else should listen to you? 🤔 Do you have any medical degrees? How much research have you done on the subject of kratom? I feel like ignorant people shouldn't be giving advice to people who have educated themselves on the subject. Would you agree?

Do you work for a pharmaceutical company? The pharmaceutical companies are doing the same thing to kratom they did with cannabis. They are natural products so there is no way to patent or trademark them. That means no exclusivity and no price gouging. So they put out a video like this so sheep like you will fall in line and vote the way they want you to if it ever comes to that. You should do some true research on the substance if you are going to give advice about it.

Don't tell me what to do.

@GamerGoneHam I never buy my gasoline from gas stations. But all my drugs come from there. I think the quality of the stuff (that I don't know the name of) that i get from gasstation is superb (i think) where else can i get bonerpills that are already combined with coffeine and taurine. You should start buying more stuff from there is what I think. But If gas stations are not in my best interest, then I am not the droid your'e looking for.

Probably not but do you think phiser (sp?) or any other drug company has our best interest, maybe their best interest is their profit margin?

Opioids are fine to take. They're not wrong.

@@princessmoo4891they were touting them as non-addictive when they knew behind the scenes that they were very addictive.

​@@princessmoo4891lol....right.....because it's not addictive at all!!!!😂😂😂😂😂

@@mimi2613 ANYTHING can become addictive. Look at food, something we need to live. Many are addicted... if there is an appropriate need for the opioid the chance of addiction is zero. Many who were prescribed opioids for pain did not need it, thus an addiction was more likely to occur.

@@princessmoo4891 Opioids are great for chronic intractable pain. It's the DEA who is causing the problems. Prescribers fear losing their DEA license by prescribing control substances.

I’m looking for any recommendations if you have one. ❤

Normal addict talk.

​@@stevanr9937Typical judgmental a hole talk.

How many grams do you do of kratom at a time? Also what color leaf and strain?

​@@stevanr9937People can be addicted to ANYTHING.

There are a lot of different varieties. Out of all of them, green Meng Da is the only one that really has much effect on me. I like the stuff. Yes, it makes you feel pretty good for a while, more social, puts you in a better mood. But in a few hours, when it wears off, you may find yourself quite irritable, even out of character. Kratom IS physically addictive and it's likely that daily users who quit will experience weakness and severe fatigue for weeks, or even longer, after the initial few days of acute withdrawal (mild flu-like symptoms, body aches). The lasting fatigue (PAWS: post acute withdrawal symptoms) is the worst part of quitting, and you might find yourself searching the internet for any way to feel better. Ask me how I know, I've quit several times. Anyway, I am going to have to guess that kratom is definitely not good for the body. And no one knows the long term effects. That's my (hopefully taken as) unbiased opinion.

As someone who used it for years, you must have got bad stuff or you didn’t take enough. Try two tablespoons of a strong, high quality white strain. Report back. You have no idea what you’re talking about and it’s blatantly obvious.

@@hatbpto5180 Thank you. I found your input incredibly helpful.

I am a former kavatender ( a bartender at a kava/kratom bar. I always used to warn my customers to not mix kratom with SSRIS OR SEIZURE MEDS, Most kratom bars will tell you not to drink kratom if you are in any kind of ssris. and just to be safe I would tell my customers about the seizure meds as well. as I have heard a few stories from other customers on negative side effects they they believed it was due to mixing both. Just be safe and do your research on whatever you planning on putting in your body. Ps. Kava and alcohol shouldn't go together either as it can cause liver damage or even failure is high.

@@ArcheoX-Files one very positive thing kratom did for me was help me quit drinking alcohol. After I started using kratom, I lost my cravings for whiskey, which I had drank on a daily basis for years. Looking back at how healthy that change was for me, I can say that kratom wasn’t an entirely bad choice. Quitting kratom was an absolute nightmare though. Maybe it would have been easier to quit drinking without the help of kratom. Oh well, youthful folly.

Has to be competition, of SOME source.

@@jimellis2118 ?

So you’re using it as MAT, which isn’t really the intended use of it. (Medicated Assisted Treatment, normally methadone or suboxone are used for this type of treatment). However, being 20 years, 6 months & 14 days clean, I’m not at all knocking how you’ve stayed clean. I’m glad it’s working for you. My main concern is the long term effects. I have personally witnessed people having terrible withdrawals from it, even worse than heroin. It took one person I know about 6 months just to sleep a solid 3-4 hours straight. I just don’t think it’s a good thing to have on the shelves as if it’s a vitamin supplement. It’s not regulated by the fda either I don’t think. It’s not super safe in that regard either. So it’s just very concerning to me having seen quitea lot of people battle addictions to Kratum and sadly, most are losing their battle. I know only one person who’s gotten clean from it out of the group. I also had to advise 4 different detox centers on how to treat withdrawals for kratum. Sadly, those who tried kratum to come off heroin or pain medications or even to come off of MAT, found once going to detox, they had to return to MAT (methadone or suboxone) while in detox. 98% of them continued on MAT after the detox period ran out & they were released. 100% of the patients/clients had to get insurance extensions to have extended time in detox due to the withdrawals being much worse than if they were detoxing from heroin, pain medications or even suboxone or methadone. Normal detox stay time for heroin & other opioids is an average of 5-7 days. The shortest stay we’ve had for kratom withdrawal treatment was 11 days & they still left feeling lousy but insurance kicked them out of detox prematurely (that makes me so angry). Lastly, 100% OF THEM HAD WORSE WITHDRAWALS from Kratom compared to heroin, pain medication, methadone/Suboxone withdrawals... That is of great concern to most of us as well. Kratom is not something you see often in detox facilities (although that’s slowly changing too). Most people/facilities do not how to treat it and people are suffering because of it. I just worry because it really shouldn’t be in gas stations for literally anyone to purchase. I understand why you are taking it and again please know from one person in recovery to another, I’m not in anyway knocking your process at all. Please know that. I’m so glad you’ve found a way to make it work for you, but you are a rarity when you pull back the curtain and review the entire picture and as one who has been working in this field for 18+ years the big picture is very concerning. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not saying it should be completely illegal. I just think it shouldn’t be easily accessible in gas stations either. I just wish there was a better way to go about this. It’s killing people and causing people to be sick for months on end and causing people to become addicted to it. So, it’s just scary. Watching people withdrawal from it…. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. It looks worse than heroin withdrawal to me & from what I saw with every single one of the patients I oversaw or helped facilitate care and proper medical treatment for withdrawals. I’m very scared about these high school and college kids thinking it can’t be that big of a deal to use because it’s sold in gas stations. So, again, I’m just concerned about how it’s being sold, the lack of regulation around it and so on. Idk what the right answer is not do I claim to. I’m just concerned for all the people I’ve seen addicted to it and to those I know who will become addicted due to how easily it can be purchased.

@@jessicas9789 it's about research. I've never been in Suboxone, methadone, Subutex or any other maintenance program. I have had periods without taking it and have had mild withdrawal symptoms. Everyone is different though. The brand I buy is tested and verified and to be pure without fillers etc. I get blood work done regularly and have never had elevations in my liver, kidneys etc. I feel safer taking kratom regularly than I do eating meats that come from farms in this country. It works for me. That is all I am going to say. I'd rather utilize something like this than use dope. Sorry

@@jessicas9789it absolutely sucks how easy it is to access via gas station or smoke shops. but, that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be legal and accessible to responsible adults in the same way alcohol is. especially considering that alcohol is extremely addictive, and has far more dangerous withdrawals than opioids. if i had to guess, the people you saw having that hard of a time with WD’s were taking kratom extracts recreationally, which are far more powerful than plain powder. i only take powdered leaf to manage the symptoms of my illnesses, and it helps far more than any of the myriad of medications i’ve been put on in the past, with far less side effects. the extracts are another beast, but can be crucial to some people who are managing chronic pain. i agree they shouldn’t be in store fronts. but to make normal people with debilitating disorders unable to access them will just push them towards far more dangerous substances, whether that be from a doctor or the streets. keeping kratom legal is crucial, to fight the opioid epidemic, and to keep people like me, who are just trying to manage chronic conditions, healthy.

U can’t overdose on kratom. That’s been proven in a lab lol. It does not lead to asphyxiation.

Must be.

Big pharma

He was on seizure medication that he'd gotten from the hospital, not his primary physician, so why was he on a seizure medication after going to the hospital?

Exactly. There were likely also novel designer chemicals involved which could not be detected because they’re too new and there is no reference standard for them.

The dude had other drugs in his system besides like if! I can remember he had taken Xanax and heroin. That lady is not telling the full truth about her son

He had an anti Seizure medication in his system which are mostly strong anti-pychotic that can cause respiratory failure, heart attack and strokes. That is sadly what killed him. Not Kratom.

Same. I have multiple sclerosis and this is all I am able to obtain for treatment of my chronic pain.

Do you have a website?

No one cares about us / just big pharma / why it’s is hard for even weed to be legal in many places

What hrabd and dise? Where do you purchase it? ​@@a.d.5649

​@@halfofmyheart3167I like to know also

So have I! The only way people are dying on this, they are taking too much.

That is a goal for me. Do you recommend any brands?

Same 🎉

​@@halfofmyheart3167 I like Mitra Gaia, Taunton Bay Soap Company,and Breezy Trees Botanicals

@halfofmyheart3167 as for brands I simply buy from American companies so it has been put through some safety standards. Some kratom coming from overseas distributors have had salmonella or other poisons in them. I don't have a specific brand I use. I've found reputable sources in many states though.

Scary how bad and persuasive this is

Kratom is not a fatal plant.😂

3rd party labs do test for safety. That is if you decide to research a reputable company. It's just like any vitamin or supplement that can be harmful especially if you grab some at the gas station. The FDA refuses to approve any plant medicine since it has more scientific data which has been hidden from people who are insanely nieve. There is no evidence that most antidepressants, anxiety or anti-psychtic or Seizure medication (to make it sound better since they are not even using/prescribing for conditions not even approved for use.

Amen to this! without kratom, it would be dangerous for me. Whenever I get off it my mind wonders to hard-core opiates. Kratom Is very beneficial. Also, while I'm on it, I'm able to work on myself and my goals 🙌 Love the kratom podcast 👍

@@Pete23269 Welcome back to life♥️💋💨

Can either of you let me know of a good online company that you use and what brand or kind? Tyia😊

​​@@wondertwin13 I get mine directly from my vape shop so I can't tell you what to go to online but as far as brand goes Id recommend Professor Whyte's euphoria which is their green strain. It's always top notch. I like how they put the mitragynine percentage for each batch on their products as well. I don't think you'd be disappointed

you are substituting your addiction to another "supplement" that has higher addictive qualities.

Great info

Truth

Would've been nice to hear about the M.E.'s report. What was the cause of death listed?

Tylenol is regulated though, so not the same thing

Common sense says you try a little first, allergies and such see? Unless you got an attitude and want to slam bang the stuff. Try a level tablespoon first if that's what you're after. Read up on the kinds. You might OD on constipation first . Peace

@@jimellis2118

Mom said there was an empty box of Kratom when they found him. Dead. A box!!!!

​@@jimellis2118 for someone first starting out with kratom, a "level tablespoon first" may likely be too much. What may work for you doesn’t always mean it will work for someone else as we are all 'wired' differently.

He didn't ask but there may have been no way of knowing. Even an empty container of it doesn't prove that it was all taken at once. Also, there's the possibility of it interacting with his anti-seizure medication. Besides, it could have been a seizure alone that killed him, with the kratom playing no role in his death.

What company do you use? I’ve been using happy hippo..good stuff

Good point. No difference than going over the daily dose of caffeine by consuming too many energy drinks.

Songs like a very safe company. Mind sharing?

Can you pls give the name of company tyvm I need for pain

I hate to say it but he may have had a pre existing condition.

So sad to hear her mom say she’s mad at him for taking it. The ignorance of people is unreal.

the hospital gave him anti-seizure medication.. i’m absolutely speculating here, but that’s a weird statement. a lot of psychiatric medications are also anti-seizure medications. if I had to guess, he went to the psych ward shortly before, and then he killed himself with something that wouldn’t show up in a toxicology report. even if that’s not the case, kratom alone did not cause his death. i’ve personally taken kratom for multiple chronic conditions for nearly a decade, and mixed it with… most classifications of substances, with absolutely no issue. not saying this will be the case for everyone. in fact it certainly won’t be. but this is an outlier case with lots of information missing.

@@ffxplayer95 I completely agree

People are campaigning to ban kratom so it doesnt matter what the truth is. They'll keep claiming it.

It does make the nose itch and gives energy. Very opiate like, and like opiates if you don't use it for a while and go back to it, the effects increase again. Even better you don't feel like crap when kratom is wearing off.

​@TheOtto3663 you do enough, and for long enough, it will give you withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking it. Not as bad as heroin but it still sucks.

@@barth9580 I know, not looking forward to that.

​@barth9580 The worst part of withdrawal happens AFTER the initial first few days. Severe fatigue and weakness that can last for weeks, even months. Yes, I have experienced it. 90 days minimum before you even begin to get your strength back. Brain fog too. And depression. It's crazy stuff.

​@@hatbpto5180I've never had anything like that happen that's insane

I only use the powder or capsules of powder. I've never tried the extracts or shots because those are super potent, super expensive with more euphoria which can lead to addiction faster!

Same here! I have arthritis in my spinal cord and I can get mixing for the day quickly and pain free. Plus, my head is clear. You won't get that with opioid pain killers.

​@@markiefufupls help where can I buy iam in lots of pain had my lower back rebuilt 13 yrs ago I recently tried shots does not help Dr's will not give any pain killers . I also need a surgery for my right hand terrible pain from arthritis. Don't know anything bout kraton or how much should a take and when pls help. Where to buy and name how much to take tyvm

Yes it is

Any brand recommendations?

I take the royal kratom rainbow it really helps me I was in a bad motorcycle wreck and it definitely helps

@@halfofmyheart3167 happy hippo..pricey, but clean and quality every time

@@halfofmyheart3167 happy hippo..pricey but the best I’ve found in 4 years

He was mixing it with anti-siezure meds. Probably Gabapentin, if I had to guess.

opiate is natrual opioid is synthetic so it’s an opiate

Kratom with mushrooms is a great combo.

shrooms are not good for certain people with mental illness, especially schizophrenia. you should be careful. you could really screw up someone's life with advice like this. psychedelics are not a cure-all and not for everyone.

I have tried mushrooms several times, and they do nothing for me.

One main difference, you can't do ANYTHING on mushrooms, but trip. You can work, do sports etc etc. on kratom. Microdosing mushrooms is a waste IMNTBHO

Mushrooms are for kids

What do you mean a waste of time. it is a straight forward presentation of origin and facts. Took someone work to present it. Why be so callous and critical of anyones effort to give you information?

😂😂😂😂

You can die from drinking too much dihydrogen monoxide too, but it's freely available to everyone!

What did your Kratom detox look like?

I'm scared to stop

It's called doing research and knowing what you're consuming, everybody wants the government to be their daddy now

@@gavrilloprincip6787 no, there is no research that says this can cause death. But suddenly people are dying because a smoke shop says its healthy. If your daughter died because of it, would you still be acting the same way?

@@filmdad24 water can cause death, it's all about knowing your limitations and no I wouldn't be pushing for it to be regulated the government shouldn't have any say what citizens do with their own bodies

considering your wife was married at the time: that means she is old enough to be responsible for her actions and her actions were lack of harm reduction clearly. thinking anything is harmless is naive

@@gavrilloprincip6787 Guess what? It only took one Kratom tea to get sent to the hospital near death, kidneys almost shut down. So no, this is irrelevant and pointless to say. I really don’t care about immature and selfish people like you. Obviously you can’t care for anyone for your self. There’s no changing my mind, there NEEDS to be a warning label. We are one of the people putting it in legislation. Keep thinking about you and you only, watch your community go up in smoke.

Where do you buy pls iam in pain also

@@rosemarymorris245 we go to reputable vape shops that sell kratom. Check your local areas for well reviewed and reputable vape stores

The FDA wanted kratom banned. That’s what consumers railed against.

I found an old grey looking hair in mine before. Maybe they need to wear hair nets.

You take it everyday? So your dependent on something still??

​@stevanr9937 dependence isnt an issue. Addiction is. I have a chronic illness and a career.

@@mgray999 most people taking kratom are addicted to it. Not dependent on it for "chronic illness".

@@stevanr9937addicted how? physical addiction is fine in the case of medication, if they’re not recklessly increasing dosage or taking too much to the point of the side effects outweighing the benefits there’s no issue:

sounds like someone concerned about their kratom addictions

@@ByBurnsy would you rather have a family member do heroin or drink kratom tea? kratom saves me from iv drug abuse.

@@splashscreen92 I think you are responding to a smart aleck who thought of a smart alecky thing to say. But you do give his claim some credence when you say that you would otherwise be a heroin addict. Only certain people become addicted to opioids. Why do you think you would become one of them?

@@webinoak I literally used to shoot up pain pills, coke and heroin but now I drink a plant leaf tea. how is this a problem?

There are no effects comparable to a stimulant; historically Kratom has been used to treat opiate addiction. Still, don't buy it from a gas station.

Kratom cannot be compared to OxyContin. That's like comparing caffeine and meth. I've used it for 4 years. I can say that it definitely has it's down sides. I wont deny that I'm addicted and that it's difficult to get off of. It's definitely still an addictive drug, and having a Kratom addiction can be a problem for a lot of people. But it's absolutely nothing like Oxy or any other opioid. It is nowhere near as dangerous or addictive. I would say, as far as addictiveness and danger is concerned, it falls somewhere between cannabis and alcohol. Not quite as safe as weed, definitely more addicting, but not as much as alcohol and nowhere near as dangerous.

I have an addictive personality too, but $800 of kratom a month?! I've never used more than a $25 8 oz bag in a month.

@@markiefufu it was the liquid shot bottles. For the love of all things holy, leave those alone 🥴🥴

@@HannahMattox I've never tried them and I'll take your advice and not try them. 😊

@@markiefufu THANK YOU! They taste awful, but they're the dangerous kind of "good". 0/10 - cannot recommend 🥴🥴

​@@HannahMattoxthose bottles are extracts that are usually like taking 2 or 3 times or more the amount of regular leaf powder no wonder you had negative results. It's alot of kratom