It's funny because there are plenty of other Biu Jee Examples on the internet with far more likes, but this is the best form I've seen of Biu Jee on RU-vid
Alot of shit-talking going on here I see regarding Leung Tings lineage and it's authenticity. Well Ip Man himself simplified the style from an earlier lineage. And Wing Chun itself was simplified from Traditional Shaolin Kung Fu and it's still evolving to this day by students of the Leung Ting and other lineages. It's evolution guys... and I personally welcome it. I myself am student under his lineage which has been modified even further (and for the better in my opinion) but I still rate Leung Ting because he was one man who took the time and effort to explain about the whole system in detailed books and provide a structured system for grading. Something Ip Man, Ip Chun/Ching themselves failed to do before. He's given his knowledge of the system to the world and deserves credit.
I love GM Leung Ting's forms, in my opinion they are really close to perfection. I am an EBMAS student by the way. There is great Chinese Kung Fu knowledge in his "modified" forms. In EBMAS we inspect every movement in scientific approaches (angles, dynamic&mecanic anatomy of human etc.) so it is obvious that GM Leung Ting knew something before he modified GGM Yip Man's forms. It is not for nothing. But of course other masters could have different approaches to techniques.It's natural
I studied under Dr.Leung when he was in the U.S. He is Very very good and shows no mercy to his students either. Bye the end of the first day I was one whipped puppy.
alot of the moves in this form are to recover from already losing ground or balance or centerline.your get turned sideway a lil that bui tze elbow is most effective
True, his form is quite decent. After all, he learned from Leung Sheung first. As for his character and ethic...that's a different story. I wonder if you can find more footage and photos of L Thug around that time. He used to like to post CK MA with exaggerated 45 degrees lean backward. WSL used to make fun of him. L Thug does not do the 45 thing anymore thou.
makes sense. it sbeen said : the bju tse form doesnt leave the house. its tought first hand only, you cannot learn wing chun / wing tsun from videos anyways. equally bad you can judge on it by watching youtube. this video has been recorded long ago for wing tsun students, and not as PR movie or for epeen constesting on youtube. GGM dr leung ting is a nice and able person i shook his hands and enjoyed his punches first hand. i dont judge. or talk bad about other branches and styles.
This is a very old video. I see no kwai jarn, here. According to my knowledge this is because at that time he did not know that kwai jarn was in the form, so he later added it into it. Perhaps there should be an other video put up.
body weight in strikes thats stupid... the whole point of bui tze is exerting the force through the fingers.. You compare what he is doing to the laws of science then that proves who is right!!
Being continious while performing a form isn't something to be proud of.The reason for these forms are to train the body to the needs of Ving Tsun (or WC, WT etc) as much as possible, every single fuk sau, tan sau etc is a punch, not some fancy movement to block an attack.The forms must be performed slow, with explosive power during some punches.It's not a dance, it's a martial arts form.Oh and if your trainers tell you to put 100% weight on just one foot at any time, just RUN AWAY from there!
@WingChunLova Well the master who is known to be undefeated in Hong Kong is not Leung Ting, it's Wong Shun Leung.There is no record of Leung Ting being undefeated, I mean look at him, he can't even keep his posture right.All he is good for is politics and commercializing a respectable martial arts form.. He even forged photos of himself and Yip Man just for publicity, I really feel sad about it all..
@ Valesca & killertoad: Oh i found a wrong (younger) Gary Lam... so , i don't know! Does this matter? I mean, in real fighting you use a surprising attack to bring down your opponent, because you can't win vs a pitbull that is training 12 h a day. But if you must fight, then you must do your best to win and safe your life. Running away also safes lifes! Fighting is not a question of honor, it's a question of life. Don't you think so?
Ting as he was called did not learn BJ he copied others then changed his anyway. and tillerbear dude Leung Sheung wasnt the most senior and in fact spent the least amount of time with Gm Ip. He left to start his own school because he came from a poor family and needed the money.Sifu Lok spent the longest time with Gm Ip a few months more than WSL. LT is a better businessman than a VT teacher of allmightyness. LOL
So, if LT used bigger knives would it mean that he was Ip Man's student? Of course not. I know what do you mean, ac338; anyway, I think that doesn't prove LT's incompetence. Everyboby, as well as LT, has seen at least one picture featuring Ip Man in 'Kuan sao' with the BJD. LT could use bigger knives to try to hide his ignorance. Besides, a student can modify his master's teachings to improve them. Probably LT wasn't an Ip Man's pupil, but we cannot get it from that.
I want to avoid any possible misunderstanding: I said that Leung Ting's WC is good, not that is a good idea to join his organization! You are never going to learn anything good under greedy Kernspecht: he teaches a poor WC, quite different from the one Leung Ting teaches in China. I know it sounds crazy as they are bosses of the same company -I was disgusted when I found out that. It's a long story. However, STAY AWAY FROM THOSE PEOPLE.
I said L Thug's BJ was descent but on second observation, he SUCKS! You are right ac338. His "cup-joun" sucks and then missing the "man-sau". Then he retracted the fists without the "rolling fist"(for lack of a better term). He did the high palm AFTER the low palm and then the "man sau" were too high! Worse, after the "man-sau" should be the "huen sao" but he did "fuk sau" instead! I think you are quite knowledgeable ac338.
Motofox, it's true that it's unethical to spread false info, but Leung Ting is used to doing that. This video doesn't show how LT actually perform the BJ form. He deliberately does mistakes. It's sad, unethical and maybe also stupid; but that's the truth. I don't like Leung Ting and his greedy organization, but he knows Wing Chun.
Lol, Just because someone is famous doesn't mean they are good. That's all I'm trying to point out. But if you want, tell me what to do. I'm never done a "cyber" challenge before. I'd much prefer a physical one. If there is anyone in the Houston area who wants to set something up I think that would be much better, but it's whatever.
"by beatin his girlfriend he was foils guilty" Hahhahahahahahshahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah Lmao hilariouss. So true. Wtf I's this hand wiggling shit are you KIDDING ME????? I train Shaolin KungFu and I am open to all forms and no forms ---- BUT THISSS GUY Hahah
I did not forget about WSL. He was terrible and egotistical. When he took a hit in a street fight he had the nerve to ask Yip Man why he took a hit, instead of trying to grow in the system and realize his shortcomings, he assumed that the shortcoming was with Wing Chun.
No true blood Master is going to train his students in their Art only to have them post on youtube. If you have been trained by any Asian Master publicity is the last thing you will seek. You got to live and breath what they teach if you don't they will not teach you.
Dont judge the man judge his ability. He aint got any...Pause at 106 and think to yourself what is he doing and what is applying the action to hypothetically. Any action should have a application to fighting but not in this case IMO. Poor form.
Many of my old Wing Chun teachers told me stories about Leung Ting; all of them bad. I bought this video 20 years ago, and it has good information on it, but as far as the man himself, I don't trust him.
and as with all wing chun vids the asian nerds come rushing in to start flamewars, gee the asian nerds must be dancing their socks off since the advent of the internet
That's not answering the qeustion. Gary Lam is not young either. And as to Velasca's question - Yes, he would. Even if Leung Ting was 40 years younger than he is now
So I attempted this without having first grasped enough controlling skills and I chopped myself in the throat, crushing my arteries and windpipe while also somehow severing my spinal cord and now I am in a wheelchair for the rest of my life.
Chueng and ting have forms totally different from ip chun an ip Ching the sons of yip man who should know the style directly from their dad. Why modify it or change the art? Makes no sense if you do that then it no longer original or true wing chun unless your making up your own shit an claiming it's original?
ip ching and ip chung was not interested in learning wing chun until bruce lee made famous, and they figured they could make a dollar off their dad name.none of the original wing chun student respected them as been inheritors of the style.
@miellikkiful I agree about the Kraken. Any point about persons we have actually never met, would be wasted. Wong Shun Leung (seeing his video, he explained the wedge/triangle-based techniques very well) seemed to me always the `teacher/ main instructor´ of bruce lee - and i do not agree with the common apotheosis of that actor. WSL (using your abbreviation) lacks i.m.O. the equality of both sides (means he has a favorite standing leg and a inequality of punches)! But you are free to disargee!
@miellikkiful Wong Shun Leung is not undefeated! No one is - not even Yip Man! The day LeungTing appears to be dead - which may last as long as one pleases - will be the cornerstone for the next round of the great WingChun-struggle. He has taught WingChun to more of his actual concurrents than you would ever believe. My comment to your notes: LeungTing has influenced the technically accuracy of the wingchun-training method most! Your notes about it are a testimony of misunderstanding it all!
Was it not Leung Ting who sent Emin Boztepe to beat up William Cheung? He would not face William himself, so he sent a man approx 20 years William's junior to face him. Instead of proving anything, the whole incident caused irreparable damage to the style, shaming those involved. This is one reason why I believe people have little respect for Leung Ting.
If Your ligaments and muscles are not strenghtened by preliminar exercises and professional teaching. These biutze-sets look much like wrist, hand and elbow techniques, but it works with the whole body (look after the Golgi-apparatus, if You don´t know it already)!
IpChun is the son of YipMan - thats all the credit I can give to him. The video above shows the old Biutze-Set as it was taught by the late YipMan. The LeungTing-System teaches nowadays an earlier BiuTze-set with one additional kwan-Sao-movement. Before You ask: I would rather recommend YipChing than his brother, but he is not that good as real accomplished WingChun-Practicioners. Have a nice day!
oh and even tho he might be defeated in your world, Please answer me this: Why is GM kernspecht one of the most respected persons around? Why did another student of Leung Ting defeat William Cheung? Indeed, think before you talk, even if he would be a phoney he raised more super talents than u ever will, I mean cmon.... Emin Boztepe & GM K. Kernspecht are not some regular names in Martial Arts. Grow up internet gangster.
@WingChunLova Man, I believe that WSL was a great fighter, yes, William Cheung too, back in the day, but Leung Ting? Here's a story; At Yip Man's funeral, Leung tried to sit up front with the senior student but was told No and forced to sit in his place. He made his relationship with Yip seem more than it was, and overall, even if he was/is a great fighter, he's not a great man. And I got nothing against you, man.
There is a lot of divison between the WT/WC VC styles. The more people want to discredit Leung Ting goes to show how much confusion there is. It is not the style but how hard you train. Be it LTWT Ip Chun etc.. Everyone favors there own Sifu instead of us trying to discredit a "video" which to me are clean and tight. There is no best styles of Wing Tsun, only best in training. The form can look what ever way we like but, in a real fight what does it matter if we can't apply it.
Some sifus don't even know the techniques and how can they teach students? Take a look at LT. He never learnt any BJD from his master of GM Ip Man, but he used a pair of little knives (compare to GM Ip Man's BJD) to teach students. Question : how would the students learn the proper BJD techniques if the sifu doesn't even know BJD?
Also, please respect your master or grandmaster. I didn't know you are Master Ip Ching's grandstudent becasue you just mentioned Ip Ching by the name a few days ago. Remember to mention Sifu, SiGong, Master or Grandmaster and not just the name. It's not very respectful !
He's missing "man-sau" in the first part of "cup-joun" & the "man-sau" at the last part's way too high. It's only up to the shoulder's height. The way to turn the feet is way different from GM IP MAN. Check GM IP MAN's "Chum Kui" video and you'll see the difference.
@miellikkiful so it is the same photo that I thought you were talking about, I wont lie seems pretty convincing the only thing is Leung Tings head is smaller than that guys head it shouldnt fit over the other guys head that good especially by that times standards I know a thing or two on photography. whether or not it is doctored though he was still his closed door student. I personally dont like Leung Tings character but still doesnt affect his position as far as Wing Chun goes,
@mgk22 Hiya!Here is the link of the forged photo; ''vingtsun.virtue. nu/index_ elemei/image011. jpg'' if you delete the spaces you're good to go.It was actually published as an article in a kung-fu magazine.Your explanation for his stance only adds to the ridiculousness of the situation and points out the fact that he has commercialized WT.Besides, I have practised SLT and CK with WT practitioners and they all have the same stance and fluid, powerless moves.
@oltifromhungary Starts from 00:19 he keeps losing his central balance, same thing at 00:26 too.00:36 is just too obvious and it carries on through the video.Oh 1:19 is not even funny anymore.Under no circumstances is it acceptable to lean back during the turns, it goes against the concept of footwork and balance in chum kiu and biu jee.By the way I'd like some evidence for that ''undefeated'' claim,I have mine supporting Wong Shun Leung.
@WingChunLova It's never claimed that he hasn't been, it's only natural to get beaten if you participate in fights throughout your life, I was only stating the fact that it was WSL not LT that had the ''undefeated'' title in Hong Kong, there has been no such claim about LT. Information is everywhere, I got it second hand thanks to my lineage, but you can find it on the net too if you want to.
i think the execution is fine, irrelevant of the other issues you are mentioning. Do you have any documents you can prove them with, or are they just rumours you heard?
pretty hyped up and a bit overconfident I must add.Philipp Bayer says that WSL didn't remember a thing about that fight, he was knocked out the moment it began. The truth is, Yip Man wanted to tame WSL a little, so he was put against the best fighter of Bei Mo for his first match, a mantis style practicer.Well, it seems like it's worked wonders, after that incident he settled down a little, concentrated on his VT and went back to fight in Bei Mo when he actually was ready.
¿wckfc el autentico wingtsun?jaja, esto esta sacado de un video de leung ting de los años 80, y es una demostracion.en el video tambien salen las otras 2 formas y diferentes ejercicios.mas autentico que leung ting, yip chu o yipman,y su hablas de autentico, ewsta forma se invento despues de yipman
@Disipol You're half right. There's a lot of questions surrounding his lineage and some people have said he lied about ever training with Ip Man. The only thing we know is... We don't know. Leung Ting claims Ip Man chose him as his successor but there's no real proof, and as he's a closed door student nobody can vouch for him either. My personal theory is that Leung Ting probably did train with Ip Man, but I don't buy into his story about Ip Man choosing him as his successor, seems a bit odd...
@miellikkiful wait which photo did he forge because if its the one I think your referring to its been proven to not be forged further more he has good posture but hes making it look bad in this video on purpose, anyone who trained under Leung Ting during that time knew that in these videos he displayed the forms wrong like he is here so that anyone trying to learn Wing Chun from these videos would be learning the wrong way unless from him directly
martial arts are meant to be learned from person to person. and i highly doubt he released them with the goal of teaching everyone biu tze, most likely the dvds are just meant to give a general overview of the system. iirc this is from his dynamic wing tsun dvd
The reason I know is before Master Ip Chun taught me Baat Jaam Do in 1985, he told me the story of BJD, that's why I know 8 but not 5 according to him. That was a private lesson (1 to 1 lesson). I am sure he would tell my other sihing the same story when he taught them.
@cciemail I respect anyone who gives a time of their day to study any form of martial arts, one doesn't have to be a master to earn respect. However, if said person is known to be a cheater, fraud and a liar; no, I will not respect them in any form. Even if they are a self proclaimed ''grand master''. I study VT and this is my lineage: Ip Man -> Wong Shun Leung -> Philipp Bayer -> Nedret Kılıç -> Me Earnest question; how did you come to the conclusion that I don't know what I'm talking about?
All of you need to see and learn william cheung bil jee. The original bil jee. All of you need to see and try TWC system and judges Cheung before you learn more. Rather than talk trash on RU-vid
Or try it, have a friend hold a pillow or pad face down and swing your arm upwards in this fashion. If you are nice and relaxed you should have no difficulty generating a significant amount of power.
My Sifu, Master Ron Heimberger has personally told me what SiGung Ip Ching has said about this and Ip Ching attests to it himself in the Wing Chun history lecture he has on DVD
@shiyongshuomingshu of course, and that. @WingChunLova I recalled the story of WSL's defeat.Pretty funny one actually; it happened during his first years with Yip Man, all the older students were fighting in the Bei Mo fights and he was fretting about the fact that his name hadn't been nominated yet to participate.The fights took place every weekend and Yip Man wrote the names of the ones who would fight on a board at the gym before he left.So the first time Yip Man wrote his name down he got
@miellikkiful Especially the ones where he teaches techniques and then tells the ''select'' audience not to teach these ''very secret techniques'' to their students.Oh and the spar video where he got mauled by an annoyed Sifu Maday was priceless, I still hear the furious yell YOU STUPID STUDENT!NOW GO MAKE ME TEA! in a thich Chinese accent ringing in my ears^^ There are a lot more videos where he ither loses it or acts funny..
@WingChunLova Actually nope, WSL fought Bei Mo fights in Hong Kong between his ages 18-35, some claim that he has hundreds of victories but the more sturdy resources (such as himself) claim to have around 60, undefeated.He even got the nickname Gong Sau Wong (the king of talking hands) in the underground. Tehehe I haven't been able to go to one of his seminars yet, but as far as I've watched on the internet they are highly ''entertaining''.
Well said, I'll add you just for the last line. I'm a wing tsun student myself and hearing all those wing chun william chung people saying a lot of stupid things just makes me sick. It would be much more easy to just train and enjoy the martial art insted of using all that energy into arguing! The Biu Tse does not leave the house, and no, one can't learn wung chun from videos, ebooks and without a proper instructor!
Granted. BUT Ip Ching had already started his training and still, as a son, had more intimate knowledge of Wing Chun from his father than any student would have had simply because he lived with Ip Man. Also a fact that only 5 students ever completed the entire WC system under IP Man...Ip Ching is one of those
