I rode on the Lipizzaner show and loved doing the capriole. Only a few horses were trained to do this maneuver. When you do it the first time, you will leave the seat quite a bit. Since you're more than likely not prepared for this type of force.. It's something that requires practice. Once you have done it a few times you don't leave the saddle as much, but you do leave the saddle. Even those in Vienna leave the saddle. It is not possible to remain completely seated during the powerful capriole. You must remain relaxed, keep your weight centered and follow the movement of the horse. The rider in the video more than likely doesn't do the capriole very often. It's not something you would do often unless you are doing shows. Really nice horse in the video. Just gorgeous.
Yes, I agree that this person most likely doesn't do the capriole often, his hands are too busy and that is reflected on the movement of the horse's head. Not as harmonious as it could be.
I check in here very often out of love of it, and only now saw your post. It answers questions I've had, like about how far the rider leaves the saddle. I thank you for your post, and admire you with all my heart. (I first got interested in caprioles because my paint mare does them on her own, as a sort of situp that is part of her beauty routine. She is very beautiful, daughter of a world champion halter horse, but great beauties have their own ways of maintaining it and the capriole is one of hers.)
I'm always made nervous when the horse makes that back-and-forth rocking motion before leaping up. I know the horse has been asked to do it here, but I've been astride when a horse decides to start prancing like this out of pure devilishness. The athleticism is amazing!
Wait thats not true. Thats foam from all the pain the horse goes through with the bit, because the bits press a certain nerve that causes extreme pain. But im not here to argue, so plz lets not make a fight of this.Just what i have learned
@@redfoxdraws9142 No, Phasma Strange is correct.and you are incorrect.,Please learn the physiological signs of pain - staring coat, sweat dripping , wringing tail, bulging eyes. This horse is not in pain.The foam is from him flexing his neck and stimulating his salivary glands.,
@@redfoxdraws9142 The difference is that I speak from a position of knowledge, both of riding and of university level physiology. You speak from a position of passionate ignorance. I doubt you have ever sat on or bridled a horse in your life. Byeeeeeeee.
BEAUTIFUL!!!! The Levade and Capriole, the most difficult things to teach a horse! I think, way back in the day when these manoevers were necessary as horsemen in the war, the rider's cranked their need/excitement onto the horses, and the horses sensed what they had to do. The new generations of horses just don't don't seem to sense the same urgency, and don't give the same energy their ancestors gave.
Though I wasn't born a country girl, and I haven't been around with horses often enough, I sometimes get this feeling that the horses that were trained when I looked into their eyes, they seemed sad at some point. It could just be me, but thought I should tell you how I feel that's all. Horses are my favorite animals and I LOVE them with all my Heart and Spirit. If I were to train a horse, I would ALWAYS show my respects for it, take good care of it, and treat it very well. :)
If you watch riders from the Spanish School in Vienna, they don't leave the saddle at any point, but this guy is as far out of the saddle as he could be while the horse is in the air, slamming his backside down on the horse when he lands. The poor horse is being punished each time and I'm sure the Spanish School (not to mention the horse) would be displeased with such riding, especially as the very base of their teaching is to have a self-supporting, light seat that maintains contact with the three points throughout each maneuvre (once the horse's muscles are sufficiently developed). You only need to watch a few videos to see a clear difference! Best not to try the high school moves until you really know what you're doing or you could give you and your horse back problems or other injuries, especially if the horse's muscle hasn't been developed correctly first. For anybody wishing to ride in the way of the Spaniards and Portugese I recommend Sylvia Loch's books: The Classical Rider and The Classical Seat.
boomshizzIe Yes, because large things cannot be harmed by small things. I have no idea if he is actually harming the horse in any way, but that logic is flawed.
nicoleiscoleycakes If a horse can feel a fly land on it, it can feel a "skinny little man" slamming down on its back. I know that first hand, is I don't post or sit softly on my horse's back he tightens his back and rushes forwards.
boomshizzIe Actually he is. As scientific research shows (though 99.9% of Equestrian Sports people chose to ignore the said research), a horse's back was not designed for riding at all. A horse loses all blood circulation in his back (the saddle area in particular) after 5-12 minutes of having a rider on its back, no matter how good a rider is. Which in time leads to muscle atrophy, severe tissue and nerve damage, not to mention chronic back pains. So yes, that rider bouncing his buttocks on the horse's back IS harming his horse something fierce.
I ride saddleseat. And normally, I think I'm a pretty good rider. Then I come watch dressage, and I watch what these trainers do all this with body language/weight, leg aids, etc. and I am so freakin humbled I wanna cry. ;)
Horse activities do seem to be marketed mostly as for girls in the USA, with the occasional rodeo or Marlboro Man exception. But the tradition preserved by the Spanish RIding School led to reining horses in the USA. Never understood 'Western vs English'. I prefer the word 'and'. (Smile!) Lorenzo and others know there are few things more attractive than a man who is good with horses. Guess Marlboro had that one figured out, too!
It is the execution of the recreation of the natural movements that may or may not be abusive to the animal. Teaching the animal to do something that it may naturally do is often done without physical harm, but often is done with emotional harm, which can cause the animal to be fearful, or to be aggressive, depending upon its temperament type and previous training or mal training.
The most important thing in training is to learn to recreate natural movements of the horse in a way that can be done with the lightest cues, and with the least amount of 'tools'. We first make best friends with the animal, then we let the animal see us doing the thing we want it to do and if we have another animal who already knows how to respond correctly to the cue that's even better. We show the trainee how much 'fun' we are having.Soon the trainee just wants to join in. Posting video soon.
@horseyluvr15 The fact that you don't want to know how they train a horse only makes you ignorant. I've been to Vienna where they train the famous Lipizaner horses and I can tell you, the only creatures being abused there are the humans. NO WAY they abuse horses during the training. They take a LONG time and only horses with a special talent can do this, that's why you don't see all the horses doing the levade or capriole. Jumping with horses is a LOT worse for them and I do know many horses are being abused trying to make them jump higher.
Actually the levade, piaffe, and capriole can be done by all horses, and can be seen in both wild horses and domesticated horses at play, though not to the same standard and collection as displayed in grand prix horses. I guess what I'm trying to say is that these are not unnatural actions for horses to do, its not like making an elephant balancing on a beach ball etc. I agree strongly that these horses would not be abused during training or otherwise - this gentleman looks like he is a professional and his stallions would be standing at stud for a considerable amount of money if they win any grand prix titles - which I guess they would. In the first clip he is actually holding 2 schooling whips - I have one just like it in the boot of my car and have by accident given my husband a solid whack with it - and he told me that it was not so bad. I usually use only one (I am not at this level yet) and usually use it to touch my horse behind the girth to make him concentrate a little bit more when I feel his concentration drifting... An abused horse would not cooperate, it would not be happy and it would show in his performance. A horse like this is worth round about £50K+ for insurance purposes alone.
JoziGirl Yes, most of the High School elements are natural to horses during play, fights and courting sessions. BUT, that said, a horse was not designed to do such things with the added significant weight of saddle and rider on top.
+Nataliya Klymenko designed by whom? of course the horse did not evolve with a human on his back. I'm sure that incorrect riding or abusive riding or extensive riding may harm the horses back but I'm also sure that if the horse would be in big pain or even soft or mild pain that is constant if you're on his back - he would let you know one way or the other.
+shdba Designed by nature, of course, or rather not designed by nature to have a human on the horse's back. And horses give humans many-many-many such signals all the time during rides, the small little bucks, the shifting, the pulling of the head on the reins, the constant shivering of the withers, all the small signs of disobedience and desire to run off. But do riders actually listen to those signs of discomfort? Have you seen a single jumping competitor or a dressage rider get off of his horse after it tries to buck or rear and tell to judges that they want to stop competing because their horse might be in pain from bit, from gear chaffing, or possibly simply because the human is on the back? No, they subdue the horse, the show the horse who's the boss, and they continue on with the performance. And if you know horses, you'll also know that most of them are creatures of habit, and they're easy to bully. So sooner or later horse learns that it's lesser trouble to just endure the pain and perform as asked than struggle for freedom and receive more beating in return. Of course there are some singular cases of horses with extremely strong spirit and will who refuse to submit, but those animals of course will be labeled as dangerous, un-trainable, worthless and a slaughter-house material.
Nataliya Klymenko I´ve seen several riders get off their horse to see why it´s acting different than normal. Saying that doesn´t happen is ridiculous. And good judges see if a horse isn´t feeling good or is in pain and will take the rider and horse out of the competition. And if they don´t see it, the vet will.
Ever notice how everywhere but the USA, horsemanship is not considered a 'girly' persuit? Lovely riding hall, with wonderful art depicting classical dressage in classical times. Even the 'airs above the ground' without stirrups is in the classical manner.
How about riding from a standing position to a full gallop and running straight out hell bent for leather...on a thoroughbred track...with more horses breaking their legs and then being killed (put down). How about seventeen horses in one year at Del Mar race track? We have to remember too, that there is mental abuse, emotional abuse, and physical abuse. If you've ever watched a new horse being introduced into a herd, or two mustangs fighting over a mare, movements like this are quite natural.
As beautiful as this may seem, it is so unnatural for a horse to do a stationary jump mid air and kick out legs then landing on all fours with a person on its back. What is the lifespan or when does it show signs of lameness?
I'd like to be able to do this when there are MTB riders on the horse-only paths. Especially when they come racing around a corner out of nowhere. Grrr... I think the levade is possible, but it will be followed by a pirouette, I'm afraid, and then horse will leave the scene without me.
it's braided up, not cut. you can tell 1) by the knot on the end of it and 2) it's much, much longer than a cut (actually docked) tail would be. Docked tails are cut so the hair is only about half-way down the hip. That tail is the full length of the tail bone there. (: and FYI a horses tail was originally docked to keep it from being snared and torn completely off (bones and all) when hitched to a carriage
This would be truly beautiful without the rider's hands in the horses mouth. Now, that would be worth seeing. Watch the video again, without the sound, and see how the horse feels. Not denying achievement in "man over beast" training, etc etc, but imagine how beautiful this would be without the bridle/bit etc. And, guess what, if it can't be achieved, then let the horse do it without the rider if he wants to! duh?
If your implying that you think the method to make a horse do these tricks is cruel... Its definately not always done in a cruel manner :) It doesn't have to be forced upon the horse, it's taught just like anything else can be taught, though I suppose there are some people in the world that would use cruelty to get it done
Horses are majestic animals naturally do not need to do anything to be admired, is ridiculous as they do with them, looking at the horse's tail! please! Why are we not poe in their place, to see what it would feel. Swift has reason jonthan Guliver on trips, when we think like beasts, and far above there are the horses, it is true, we are beasts dressed in expensive clothing and luxury, but deep beasts!
I see... Dressage when done correctly does not stress the horse. Its just like there are crappy gymnastics coaches who push kids too hard too young and there are good coaches who foster a life long love of the sport.
1st off beautiful horses, I love classical dressage. I have 3 Andalusians and think they are the best, and 2nd does anybody know the name of the song? :]
The purpose of the capriole and other "high schools" are for showing off the skills of horse, rider and their connection. It looks impressive and is not easy to achieve, and dates back at least 300 years. Google "Spanish Riding School" ;). Even a minishetland can learn to do it, but it takes a great relationship and lots of training to accomplish.
AMENO - Un tema musical de ERA (Enminential Rythmn of the Ancestors), sus compositores son Eric Levi & Guy Protheroe. Música de la nueva era. Cordial Saludo.
@Jefferdaughter You could say the same for a lot of things. Gymnastics, classical music, dance, almost any kind of art.. I think a lot of guys in the US say that it's "girly" as an excuse because they can't do it (;
Bred for the job and trained for it, certain horses will pick up on what's been expected of them naturally quite well. Like how some dogs are very good at hunting, some excell at being watch dogs, etc. Collection like you see here is natural for horses, they use all those "carrying" muscles to intimidate other animals and move very quickly and strongly for survival; they commonly kick and rear for fighting and playing, so this video here shows a refinement of it on command.
Hola alguien me podria decir como se le ensela a un caballo la levada lo qe hace el caballo al principio del video porfavor esqe llevo tiempo buscando y no encuentro nada espero respuesta un saludo
I wish more guys would work with horses in USA. Especially western style, you gotta get dirty, sweaty, covered in horse crap, and maybe a little blood on a really good work day. Yet guys generally don't want to work with horses. It's because horses used to be such a huge part of daily life, they were transportation. Now guys work on cars, and no one works with horses except for sentimental reasons-- and women tend to be more sentimental than men.
Me, too. :) Especially understanding Nature. For instance, people would just kill snakes or lions without understanding the fact that they have natural instincts and the right weapons to survive from any harm or threats from anything or anyone. That's what I don't like, because most people just don't get the fact that they have lives, too, and they HAVE to have sharp teeth or claws to survive. See where I'm getting? If I seem to have "threaten" an animal and that animal resists, I'll walk away.
For you information horses enjoy this and it originates from war so it has a purpose and these wonder full people are trying to keep classicle dressage going. and a horse would not be jumping up in the air if it didn't want to
Um, that's a little rude...? Not ALL of us are idiots when it comes to horses. lol. I come from Europe, where I learned to ride, but now live in the US. There are PLENTY of good riders here, I can assure you :L That's a really rude comment, some of us come here to make a better life for ourselves, and yes, in my case at least, that life revolves around horses...
I am sorry I have not make clear that I meant "the hairs is cut." It does not mean completely cut, but shorten. However, you are right that the hair should be shorten and braided to do the job.
i'm sorry to say this. i'm from the Netherlands, and in our country and countries around us. they all consider it a 'girly' pursuit. as you call it. they sometimes even talk about it like it's not a sport. awefull isn't it? why can't people respect another in their sports?
book or videos on training methods for airs above the ground?? anyone?? please tell me,I want to try to learn and finding mentors has been quite hard, hopefully I'll find one though
To keep a contact with the horse and so that they can steer the horse without moving there arms very much as you may notice in dressage they dont move their arms very much
