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Classy which of this 77inch tvs will you recommend, 77inch A95L , 77inch G4 and 77inch S95D?. Getting one to replace my 65inch A95K which I will be moving to my bedroom.
How would you account for rtings reporting the C3 being 25-30% brighter in real scenes? And even their small window tests they report the C3 is at least 7%-15% brighter. They also claim the A80L doesn’t break 700 nits. While the C3 goes above 800 in a 2% window in HDR. That’s a 15% boost for small highlights. Of course, the shadow detail and upscaling is unmatched on the Sony. Context: I returned an A80L because it felt dim. And now have a C3.
Doing the 2pt. Gain calibration in the Service Menu increases the brightness and makes it much more in line with the C3. You get the boost from increasing the Red and Green channel. When you calibrate the 2 pt. grayscale in the user menu, you have to reduce blue by several clicks - which reduces peak luminance.
A80L is definitely more bright than you need, had to give time to break the panel in. Also you can boost several settings if you just want to torch the screen. I have a Samsung 8K and a Sony Oled, the Sony is more than bright enough for anything you choose to watch with excellent details
@@tears2040 even with all brightness settings maxed, its not bright enough. And i dk if the 100 hours to get brighter thing is real or not and couldn’t chance it. The 2024 sony models should fix things. Brighter mid range oled, close to no blooming mini leds.
There has been some talk online about how the XR Clear Image somehow detects the original resolution "within" a 4K signal, which apparently helps with upscaling. As someone who has always preferred the upscaling on the internal apps but would rather use an external device for various reasons, I'd be interested in an in-depth analysis from someone who knows what they're talking about.
My speakers in 77” Sony A80L were horrible compared to my, now dead, 77” A80J … claimed improvements for new model was a big fail. I ended up trading the A80L for the 77” S89C … for QD-OLED, but unexpectedly found the audio was better. Will eventually install my 7.1 DVR system, but in the interim, or just sports/News/RU-vid it’s great
@@MirelRC a80J was best ever … a80L huge disappointment & overpriced thankfully … was Sony warranty replacement for dead A80J that I returned to BBuy for 77 s89c w/5yr warranty + $300 in BBuy gift cards Thanks Sony!
Thanks for this informative video. It would be nice to see a similar comparison between the A80L (best image processing, arguably dimmest) and S90C (brightest, arguably worst image processing).
Awesome comparison, Classy! It's very interesting and educational to see how each company's processing and implementation of the same panel compares to one another.
On my screen, I'm not seeing the Sony being brighter or punchier at all, especially in the gaming sections. LG appears to me to be brighter and more saturated at all times. The Sony does look a lot sharper and more detailed in the movie comparisons though.
I had to turn off Gradation Preferred when watching Foundations ( show from AppleTV+) on my A80L 77 via Dolby Vision Bright. A lot of scenes in that show were shot with very a strong source light in the frame, and even more annoying is one of the character would have the lights behind them while another would not as they engage in dialog. With Gradation Preferred, people's faces in the foreground dimmed down (compared to None) to the point where I felt like they were underlit, while the lights in the back got even more blinding in contrast.
Possiedo il Sony XR65A83L. Lasciate perdere! Immagini in movimento assolutamente sgranate, i contorni dei soggetti in primo piano sono sgranati e sfocati rispetto allo sfondo, soprattutto quando in movimento. I bianchi sfarfallano. Un terribile tv. Più va avanti peggio diventano i tv sony. Non è il periodo storico per comprare TV.
sto cercando disperatamente una risposta e navigo a vista su questi video...il mio dilemma è lg c3 o samsung s90c?...i 55 pollici hanno lo stesso identico prezzo su amazon ad oggi,,,cosa compro?
@ClassyTechCalibrations would you rather buy a A80L or C4 both 77 inch and 2400€ or even a G4 65 inch 2450€ ? I'm super conflicted, would appreciate the help 😅
Wow, been looking for this comparison for a year! Thanks. HDTVtest reported that the Sony had a much lower peak brightness of about 650 nits, any idea why? Furthermore, if upgrading from a 55 inch LG B7, would you go for a more premium 55 (e.g. QD-OLED or G3/G4) or a 65 inch that is similar in price (say C3 or A80L)?
If so, at what timestamp? I only hear a quote of 800 nits and that the Sony is slightly dimmer in windowed measurements than the LG. That does not explain the 650 nit measurement by HDTVtest. Rtings also states that the Sony is dimmer than the LG. So, conflicting info. Or a difference between regions?
are both tv evo w-oled panel & I went for the lg c3 does anyway no the maximum hdr brightness In the game optimiser mode for games that have hdr slider my c3 has to be over 700 nits
I recently purchased the s95c. When the TV is on the one connect box makes a high pitched buzzing noise. And when its switched off the noise changes more to a hum. Does anybody out there with this TV have a the same problem?
I watched a80k and lg g2. I have lg g2 and my friend has a80k. The perceived contrast is better on Sony and the motion is smooth. On LG G2 am getting headache if I watch content with fast sequences or even slow sequences.
Great vid as always. Just wanted to clarify if all Clarity and Motion settings are disabled when in Game or Graphics modes? Is this a change they made to this particular A80 model? Also, does the actual Clarity setting behave the same way like on the older processor or is there some difference?
Thanks for touching up on “clear image” , most that come across it just mention it and/or hype it up but there’s hardly explanation much less comparison on the feature. My biggest question is how much of an upgrade is this compared to the previous XR processing?
I compared over 6 weeks directly the A95K with the A95L. The processing as the motion is slightly worse on the A95L, whereas the HDR effect is significantly better (nits and color luminance). The A95k was in general more balanced picturewise and showed less ghosting in horizontal cam pans.
@@sirgareth5283 nothing beats side by side comparisons to sum up differences, thanks for sharing your experience and with that input I’m just going to let my A80J hold me down for now and see what next year brings.
@@tbecket4890me as well, man. I got a 77” A80J in my small living room. I usually just watch Netflix at night. The TV is still good for 2024 standards.
Cause Sony always has bad motion… it’s either blurry or artifacts with motion turned on. Don’t know why no one talks about it. A8G was the best motion out of all my Sonys. I wish they’d bring that motion back. No artifacts with motion turned on
I have had an S90C for almost two weeks now and while I love the picture quality I am struggling with the motion settings. I have Picture Clarity set to Custom and I have tried judder reduction at 0, 1, and 2. At 0 there is too much judder for my liking, at 1 it's better there there us still occasional judder and at 2 I start to see soap opera effect in certain scenes. How much better with the C3 and A80L be in regards to this and is the Sony really that much better than the C3 for judder reduction? I'd hate to lose too much HDR brightness for no reason but I also don't know if I can get used to the S90C at 1 which is the most tolerable setting to my eye. Also would something like an Apple TV 4K help at all with this? I know that might help a bit with upscaling although I will be honest I don't find the upscaling of the S90C to be too much different from my old X900E, of course I sat 1.5 feet further from it than my same sized S90C.
Interesting findings. I've been considering these two models and was nearly decided on the LG, but if there isn't a real-world difference in brightness I'm inclined to get the Sony.
Hey I was wondering if you can test something out for me. I have the a95L currently using internal apps until I get my hands on an Apple TV 4K box . I notice if I toggle reality creation on and off while using the Apple TV + app there’s no difference compared to when I toggle on or off from other internal apps like Disney plus I can see the difference when reality creation is on or off except the Apple TV + app. It’s the only app like that and I was wondering if you have the same issue ?
Really helpful video! The C3 was never really on my list of considerations, but the A80L and S90C are. I know it’s not what you covered here, but in your opinion is there really a massive difference between the handling of low bitrate and overall cinematic experience on the A80L and S90C? I game as well (PlayStation) and every bit of my instinct is telling me to go QD OLED for the newer tech, but I can’t help but wonder if I’d be better off with Sony for a more well rounded experience 😵💫
If you don't play to do heavy competitive gaming / connect multiple next Gen consoles to the TV, the Sony would be better in pretty much every scenario 👍
Reference SDR is 100nits. Depends on your environment and preference if you want brighter. Generally 300 nits is plenty enough for most living rooms, which it can do.
@ClassyTechCalibrations Yes thats true, because IMAX Enhanced claims that their system had set a very high and stringent quality picture quality standard, and not all TV brands and models will be approved to get Imax Enhanced by them to be endorsed as IMAX Enhanced as these TV doesn't meet the highest quality standard set by IMAX Enhanced company itself.
Thank you for this Classy. You've clearly spent a lot of time testing, measuring and comparing these two TVs in order to show the differences between them. This type of video is invaluable to me because I've been considering purchasing one of these two TVs. I get all my content over streaming, IPTV, or antenna with no gaming. Because of that I have eliminated the S90C from consideration because of it's reputed lower quality image processing and upscaling of lower bitrate and resolution content. And I can't afford an A95L. Do you think I'm on the right path in my decision to eliminate the S90C? Thanks so much.
Yeah it comes down to do you want Sony processing to smooth out the lower quality content with occasional artifacts, or LG where you see the issues in the content without the artifacts.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations so he’s correct ruling out the s90C for streaming? the LG is better than the s90C in low bit processing? I understand the Sony is but haven’t heard anyone say the s90C should be ruled out if streaming hdr/SDR.
Holy smokes Classy! It's amazing to see that the A80L is as bright as the C3 despite the window measurements being so different. Everyone thought that the A80L was the worst OLED in terms of brightness but it clearly is not and when Brian did videos, it looked really good to me and also looked identical to the C3 at Costco even though I couldn't get them into a single view together being 20 feet apart. I didn't look at it and say "oh wow, look how dim this TV is" which I did when I saw the S90C next to the X90L and the image displayed was ultra-bright and the S90C hit its ceiling at 50% while the X90L had no limit. Another channel did a review of the A80L and A80K and the image processing was different for sure showing more detail and a more natural image. So Sony has been busy with the A80L. I feel their marketing department failed in this regard because I could see it but I was also misled by the nit measurements.
Look at all the text in Gran Turismo (on the cars or billboards) or the game menu @10:05 (the word setting or photo mode) and you'll see the Sony is clearer. It's not like 1080p vs 4k difference in text which is huge but it's there and it's caught on camera and through RU-vid. I'd say it's about 300p from this distance. If this was a 83 inch and you're sitting 7 feet away, you can probably see clearly the text edges being blurry on the LG vs the Sony, the difference will probably be about 700-800p. Sonys have always had this advantage (they developed supersampling aka Reality Creation in 1998) and I always think LG will catch up but they never do. This year LG is skipping 2 generations for their processor and dialing it up from 9 to 11 so we'll see if the G4 is ok. But the G3 seemed really impressive in detail and my feeling has been that if the MLA panel can let more light out, then it stands to reason that it also must increase detail since less of the image is obscured by the panel - it's akin to removing a glass window between you and outdoors or switching to a clearer window. You get more light but you also see better... If that is true, then the C3 would benefit from a MLA panel in order to add that detail that LG has been trying to find for 10 years now... They are not going to beat Sony at their own game - they need to disrupt them and I think the MLA will do that. Speaking of disruption, I feel Sony is about to disrupt LG and Samsung with their new backlight for LEDs 😀
@@westibbs Actually, there are some reviewers who will record a TV individually under the same conditions and then post the results side-by-side and then you can see the difference and invariably the LG looks blurrier - I used to call them 1440p. Sharpness is a bit different but super resolution is supposed to be LG's answer to Reality Creation. Classy enabled it there I believe but briefly. I don't know if it can sharpen stone textures, bricks, grass, hair and letters the way that Reality Creation can. Do you know if there's a video that compares Super Resolution to Reality Creation? I've alway wondered about how it works but no one has done a deep dive into those features to compare them. If it's just a matter of turning on a setting, then LG are just dim to be leaving their TVs in its native format. It's like playing a video game on a 4090 at 4k native @40 fps while the guy next to you is running it on a 4080 @120 fps with frame-gen and DLSS 3.5 quality. Well, turn on frame gen and DLSS 3.5 and run it at @160fps...
@@westibbs LG cares about creator intent - well if they did, their TVs would have had better OOTB settings in the past. They have improved lately but they were way off in the past and required calibration and I think Classy said that the C3 needs it IIRC (again, I could be wrong). I don't have LG or Sony side-by-side to compare them and you could be right but in others' videos the LG was lacking in detail as it clearly does here and that becomes more pronounced the larger the panel and the closer you get to the TV as the reverse is true also - the further you move back, the more they look alike just like 1080p is identical to 4k if you move far away (10-12 ft) for most panels. I think LGs are great displays and they have gotten closer to Sony over the years but there are still small differences and areas where each excels as Classy has shown. For instance, the Sony only has 2 HDMI 2.1 inputs (one shared with the eArc which is the main issue) which is quite egregious in 2023.
@@techsamurai11I'm assuming this is due to Sony's processing. As mentioned in this video, even with settings off it seems like the TV still does apply some processing. I'm assuming this is also why Sony TVs have a slower response time than LG TVs. I think if you game the LG is better, and if you watch more movie content, then the Sony is better
When you put the settings on each television, I noticed that the A80L's brightness tab was set to max while the C3 was set to 80 percent. There is a 20 percent difference between the two sets in favor of the C3. Contrast was also set to max on the A80L. I believe that the C3 was dropped down to show the Sony in a more positive light. Now on rtings website the A80L is brighter than the C3 in the 25% and 50% window sizes, but on all other window sizes, the C3 was brighter.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations 100 - 20% = what? Being technically correct is still correct. That's a percentage! Unleash both sets and test those values again if you don't mind. Will those results be the same?
@@TechTripping4728 you don't know what you are saying. Going from 80 to 100 on the LG makes a very minor difference and neither is at max brightness in SDR. SDR shouldn't be at max brightness, they are matched. In HDR they are max brightness. In SDR if you max brightness on WRGB OLEDs the lose color saturation from the white sub pixel, and SDR luminance should be set to your environment. The brightness comparisons are done in HDR where it matters, not SDR.
@ClassyTechCalibrations Really! If you turn any wrgb oled to max in sdr you lose saturation? Don't the C3 and the A80L share the same panel type? Why is it that the panel brightness doesn't matter? Are you upset about what I said? If the brightness don't matter or make a difference, then set them to max. With my C2 and my wife's A80K, the brightness levels change in both settings 100 or 80 no matter if the set is in sdr or hdr. Now, bring not unto me a railing accusation. It is true that hdr has a higher nits rating but brightness is still brightness no matter what. The settings were how I said it! One was set to max and the other was set to 80. 1 + 1 = 1! (Boolean Algebra)
@@TechTripping4728 Sony goes to 50 not 100, and the way brightness increases on Sony and LG are vastly different. Setting the LG to 0 doesn't give 0 nits. Increasing the slider 20 points does not give a 20% brightness increase. It doesn't work that way. All WRGB OLEDs wash out at higher brightness because of the white sub pixel. After 250-300 nits the color accuracy falters too much. In SDR there are very few bright rooms that need more than that. They were matched to equal brightness in SDR as that is how SDR is compared. HDR is completely different and has to always be at max brightness for highlights and uses PQ instead of gamma. You don't understand the difference between SDR and HDR and are trying to direct on how to compare or review. Both were not maxed out in SDR, as both still could be increased with peak brightness/luminance settings.
Sony's Reality Creation XR under clarity in manual mode at like 80% is the stand out feature for me. I'm really surprised you didn't cover that, as it is remarkable. It's like DLSS in the TV.
80 would have a lot of artifacts for people who don't like oversharpening. I talk about reality creation all the time with Sony and always recommend just leaving it on auto.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations I find for the Nintendo switch, it literally works miracles with that setting. Auto never seems to do enough. I can barely tell when it's on. I personally don't find excessive sharpening with that setting, but of course everyone's eyes are different.
@@theblowupdollsmusic Reality Creation works well in games, I like to use mine on Max however for watching content Auto is the answer because there's conflict when it comes to real life people where sometimes something needs to be smooth, and it ends up making the image worse somehow.
I thought they both had their ups and downs with picture. Overall, i think Sony took it. Sony, to me, sounded better. Im fine with how the C3 looks, and it's an upgrade for me. I ordered 1, and it'll be here tomorrow. It was on sale on Amazon, too.
@@n_00_7 agree, better in some aspects like brighter and better depth, and worse in other aspects like Colors. Pricing is the biggest argument to go LG's route, as you may likely get a 77 G4 for under 3k come Black Friday, while there won't be any huge price drops for A95L.
I’ve had the C3 since it released and just purchased the S95c for our main living area 3 days ago, I can attest to this. C3 is a wonderful tv but man oh man, no match for a QD-OLED. The color pop and vibrancy is unmatched. Something you have to see in person to really understand.
I returned my A80L and picked up an S90C and while the colors do have more pop the upscaling and motion are garbage compared to the Sony. I also feel like the A80L looked so natural and the S90C looks over saturated in comparison. I may get it calibrated. No doubt the panel is superior but the other stuff is bothering me now.
@@sirgareth5283 1. its not true. 2. you shouldnt buy big tv if you plan to watch low quality content. 3. most tv/projectors have enough power to upscale low bitrate content properly
