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Honestly lifeweaver petal being able to cancel zarya ult is pretty skill-less and I wish it gets removed. Like at least with orisa you have to aim it but the zarya ult you just point downwards and I know it took you no effort

@@khaledm.1476 bros a zarya main

​@khaledm.1476 That's if you get caught in Grav, which you shouldn't. You want to be able to pull out as well if someone gets screwed over by Petal or falls back in. Not to mention you can get oneshot in Grav as a squishy. Point being, you do have to aim, as you shouldn't be getting caught in the Grav with good positioning 12 seconds is a long cooldown, it is viable to bait out the Petal first. Grav isn't a free cast, you need to get Petal out or hit a wall with it so the Petal can't be activated.

@@khaledm.1476 skill issue, aim grav at their body/high enough on a wall so their feet doesn’t touch the ground, then petal doesn’t lift them.

Tbh you should check Reformed Ravi on youtube, they are GM1 Lifeweaver only and I learnt many techs with their compilation like res cancel, uplifting winston shield, sym's tp, or even ally DVA's bomb to surprise enemies. (Also if you use Mauga's ult on LW petal platform slightly above the void and then cancel platform, then it will attract all enemies tracked into the void with the ult itself, idk if I explained this well 😂) Imo Lifeweaver is full of surprises and I think his potential is soo underrated.

Took Blizz quite a while to get there but I think he’s objectively fun to play.

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His grasp feels so satisfying when you save someone, less so when they immediately run back in before you could heal them up 😞

As a zen main I endorse you all

I switched the ult confirmation option in settings to when the button's released for this exact reason, it lets you get trees out way faster

@@astrofeesh might look into that, thx for the advice

Fair enough. I think the healing to damage swap should stay, but swapping back to healing instantly would be nice. Or maybe if you're charging while swapping, it will start to charge (but you couldn't release it until fully swapped).

Now that you mention it, it really takes long to switch back to healing and then charging. I noticed it ever since i started to do dmg with him. I get a bit reluctant bc swaping, often takes too long to help my teammates and therefore idk if i should even do dmg in some situations. My team clearly needs help with dmg but i can't help bc my healing gets slowed down. That would be a really good buff if they removed it for switching to heals. Imo it's the only thing he needs changed rn.

I’ll despise playing weaverg until they make doing damage not almost always a bad decision because it makes healing very delayed. Swap weapon animation, charge, send, travel, receive. So I shoot someone, teammate starts to take damage. I swap, they are now half, I charge, they are crit, I send they are 1hp and then it travels and doesn’t make it in time. I should have never done my shitty damage and I could have kept them alive.

@Summonick2 Honestly in this situation, it's your teammate's fault. If you're truly reacting fast (and not just waiting too long to look), they were either out of position away from a corner, or got hit with a burst of damage that you likely wouldn't have healed through anyways. Plus, you have Grip. If someone is taking that much damage that fast, Grip them and save them. LW Damage isn't useless. It's quite strong against big targets at any range, or dangerous up close to almost anything if you can hit it. But you need to have the gamesense to know when you can damage. Oftentimes, if you're not careful, your team will lose a lot of tempo if you try to swap to damage and don't hit anything while they're getting peppered. Dmg LW plays are easier with another strong healer, such as Ana, Kiri, Bap, or Illiari (who can stay with the tank in certain comps now). Otherwise, yeah, damage will be hard bc your team is taking a lot of dmg themselves.

@@fizzlock right I’m not saying that there’s nothing you can do, I’m saying it just feels like shit, especially compared to any other support. His damage is also just mostly incapable of creating reasonable pressure on the enemy, it’s more of just a tool to break shields, turrets etc. or to shoot a big ass tank if you have to. This means your team is going to take way more pressure which is never a good experience. Weaver is equipped really well to deal with pressure to counterbalance that he can’t do any pressure really. Healing begets more need for healing, whereas if I play like zen I can do way more effective healing than weaverg, because I can poke out the people who are doing the damage to make them not do damage anymore. But anyways yeah, using the gun feels awful because of how the healing switch and charge mechanic works. In GM weaver mains just don’t do damage almost ever because of this. It’s almost always better to continue to heal when you could do damage, even if you get dove, you could shoot the Winston or doom or whatever, but the better play is almost always just to continue healing, dash, petal, keep healing, dash, until the tank gets poked out automatically. The value in weaver is he’s like one of the only supports that can maintain his heal output while being dove by even 2 targets. When I coach weavers it’s one of the most common mistakes I see, because your brain tells you to shoot the dive and fight back but it’s better just to not touch the gun most the time.

Honestly, with the weapon swap on right click, it isn't even that big a deal to me. I use the old control scheme and like it much better, and have no issues dealing damage. The new control scheme is there if you're having problems still, where primary and secondary automatically swap the weapon for you. A lot of people said Sigma felt clunky to use at first too, and then became extremely strong once people got used to his kit. A lot of people who have mained LW are used to the weapon swap by now, and it isn't really a problem anymore.

@@fizzlock I mean the weapon seems to clearly takes longer to shoot than bap illari kiriko. That’s what I mean by weapon swap when swapping from the healing to the other it takes longer than others and I personally don’t like it as someone who plays lifeweaver a bit because the platform and pull are fun. The swapping being slower isn’t fun in oh shit situations. It makes me feel like I’d rather be another character that could respond to oh shit situations better. Even top players like ml7 end up in oh shit situations and I feel like if those situations felt better to play thru it would make lifeweaver more fun to more people.

I really like the charge idea, although not sure if they’ll implement it. Doesn’t fit his character too well, more of a Moira thing

idk why they didn't just scrap the weaponswap from the start and make the switch instant like every other support

@@bennyandthejets9247 It's because no other support actually swaps weapons, other than Mercy. Lifeweaver has 2 distinct weapons, Bap, Illiari, & Kiriko have a Primary and Secondary Fire. Genuinely, you get used to it. Sometimes you end up in those "ah @#$!" situations, but you can usually avoid that by having good gamesense and predicting what the enemies are doing. I'm not saying LW is the strongest hero in the role. But he can be really good if you're good with him, and good gamesense takes you MILES on him (like knowing when its safe to swap to dmg).

sure, but it'd be very hard (borderline impossible) for the game to tell when your pull actually mattered or not. it'd give an assist every time someone trollpulled right before an ally got a kill, for example

A skin that plops small seeds that grow into tiny plants as he walks

I’m curious what it must be like as a lifeweaver main since he launched. I think he’s literally been given bigbuffs every season, except when all supports got nerfed. That’s like if I played doomfist and every season I just got like lower cooldowns and more damage.

@@Summonick2 its interesting for sure because you see his name appear in the patch notes you get really exited and clap your hands a lil and then you read what they are doing to him and just go "oh these are empty buffs that dont actually do anything at all" dont get me wrong some have been good like remapping his controls but some like this projectile speed buff are just entirely empty and are really on there to say that they buffed him. Nothing solves his fundamental problem in that unlike other heroes who have good maps, Lifeweaver is inconsistent and has problem areas on every single map, areas where is kit doesnt work at all. I dont like the doom comparison because like doom would benefit from lower cooldowns haha. A lot of lifeweaver buffs feel like if the devs went "oh we gave mercy an extra 25 ammo on her pistol" like sure on paper its a buff but what does it actually do for the hero.

​@@jordandean507 Projectile speed buff is massive and is super noticeable, this was exactly the kind of buff the LW community had been begging for a while too He doesn't need a new ability or a rework. He really only needs his downtime trimmed because blossoms take time to charge on top of reload and weapon swap. Just because some parts of maps makes platform less usable doesn't mean there's inherently a problem with the ability, learn to play around the terrain. Find low walls you can use petal to peek above for grips. And play under high ground so you know you can always back out with petal. With any part of the map that his abilities don't work, there are twice as many of those areas where he can severely exploit like shoving a Tree in a doorway or trapping someone with petal on a ramp. LW is all about game sense and map awareness, of course it's good that he challenges the player to think about ways to take advantage of map geometry.

@@jordanleung7363 Nobody ever said anything about a rework, and yes I know all the lifeweaver tricks I know low walls he can use his platform to poke out enemies, I know all the ramps you can block people off and I know how to use map geometry and shape to my advantage to put myself in a position where I can pull my tank directly on top of enemy squishes to quickly remove them from the fight. However that doesn't change the fact that platform has a consistency issue which doesn't make it "less effective" it makes his kit dysfunctional. New junk city is a great example as I think thats one of his best maps, plenty of areas and points with huge height differences to get the full use of platform and for you to use it with your team. But here is where the difference of platform comes in. Lets say you have a Junker Queen, Solider, Genji and Mercy as your teammates and you are fighting orissa. Now nobody on your team can counter orisa ult so its your job as the character who can do this to counter her ult. There are multiple spaces on that map, and areas where if Orissa ults even 1 meter further back in a small side room you are nolonger able to save your team from her. This is a consistency issue not a skill issue. Now lets use Ana for another example, shes on the enemy team in this example. Your Junker Queen lines up for the biggest ult of her life and Ana can sleep her. If the Ana has 1 second to react or 10 seconds to react it doesnt matter as this ability remains consistent it is the skill of the player the dictates the outcome. There is a huge difference between learning to use an ability creatively like you suggested and an ability having issues with inconsistency and for the record even if your advice is dont play him on maps with small rooms or just dont use platform in chokes there are multiple maps like Havanah and Kings row that are wide open spaces however platform still stuggles with consistency because of decorations such as street lamps or shop signs. I am 100% for platform staying I love the ability, I love slingshotting myself into LOS to save an ally in danger however if hours and hours of playing the hero have taught me one thing about him its that Lifeweaver will never be as good as any other support until the issues with his consistency are directly addressed, which is why im in favour of giving the platform ability a 2nd option to allow the player to make the choice on platform or something else, and to further his skill expression.

Best thing is how people came up with the name Sunflower heal comp for when you run Illari with LW! Its a cute and fitting name, and with these Illari buffs and possible more oncoming ones in the future if she falls behind, I’m sure they’ll both be great.

True but in solo Q you always end up with random people and you need to be able to carry on your own. Hard to do with LW which relies on others to make good plays

I mean as long as you stand up on platform above the Dva bomb, it should block the damage from it just fine.

@@hallowedchromee310 Not many people play DVa so I haven't tried since the buff! All I know is the first time I tried to hide from bomb on top of petal platform, I perished.

@@bagelshake2744 It could be because your body wasn’t completely out of its LoS since its based on if the bomb has sightlines on you. You can still die on top of platform if you can see the Dva bomb not being completely hidden from view by the petal basically.

A moving petal platform would be amazing, especially uf we could grow diffrent things with the petal charge, like a wall of rose thorns?

Old symetra shield v2 lol

He is so good into Orisa LMFAO

oh he says it 3 minutes in. FINE

Also, pressing the button again (on the new input binding) should not break the platform. how many times is that gonna be a useful option. It should just reset its position instead. Place a platform, someone goes up, you can bring it back down for someone else to use.

It is a very strong survivability option for him as well, tbf. It already lasts almost the entire Petal duration, he can sit on a Petal almost the entire game. If it goes down any more, he's gonna go from difficult to dive, to impossible to dive. I really like him the way he is right now, honestly. As someone who put a lot of time into the hero, I've gotten really good with the flow of his kit and even racking up decent damage with him as well (since the last patch, I've finished several games with more damage than my Ana, who was just healbotting. I don't think I'd out damage an Ana trying to damage more, but that's because she has very consistent hitscan damage). I've come out of 10 min games with 8k heals (highest in the lobby) 2-3k damage, and slightly less kills than my DPS. Nearly putting up "Gold Medal Moira" Stats, but with the perk of 0 deaths as well as the utility of Grip and Petal. I think with this last patch, LW is in a really strong spot if you are good at him. People see his healing blossom and think he's an easy hero, but his movement, positioning/timing, as well as techs with and creative uses of platform? Now that thorns are viable, throw those in there too; he has a lot of kit to master. His thorns are the Torb Rivet Gun of the support roster; get good with it, and it's scarily effective.

​​@@welshcrusade1562bringing it back down sounds super cool. But yeah i didn't like it that you destroyed it with the same button so i changed that again and use the interact button for that. It's better especially if you need to destroy it instead of replacing it bc the petal is in the way. If they were to change that to the default settings then they could make it that pressing the ability button again brings the platform down.

It might be a bug since the way they shifted his kit is for his Tree to really be like an extension of his kit so you're suppose to get it frequently.

From what data are you saying "dominates"? Objectively the data disagrees - characters like Bap and Illari "dominate" those ranks and have far better win rates, hence LW's ongoing buffs and their ongiong nerfs.

@@andersj91 well bap does destroy diamond and masters maybe but i doubt he preforms well below diamond and i cant imagine illari does that well anything below masters since she’s completely aim reliant and takes a lot of skill to get a lot of use of, but lifeweaver is very low skill for a normal person to do well at and his kit is just amazing for the average player thats why even if the data disagrees he does good in lower elo games

I hope this wasn't satirical, bc I kinda agree. If you're good at LW, he's in a REALLY good spot rn. The thorns change made his damage a lot more consistent, and I've racked up some crazy damage numbers while keeping my high healing. Even if all you can hit is poke on the tank before the fight, that's still faster trees and actually decent damage to pressure the tank. Building fast trees is strong too, it's such a good tempo ult, and has a lot of uses if you're creative with it

@@fizzlock no, I was being serious. I am a part time LW main, who mostly defaulted to heal botting with his old dmg. Can't play right now, so I don't know if the damage is better. But I can tell I've barely scratched the massive iceberg that is this guy's potential

@@welshcrusade1562 It's not a huge increase in raw DPS overall, but he can fight faster targets more consistently, and I have had some pretty good games where I can pressure a LOT of damage on their tank and stop them from moving forward. Lots of headshots with thorns forces a tank to stand back or die, and this change just made it easier. Petal being made a full solid insyead of this shield-solid hybrid (blocks piercing projectiles now) was also a good change. It's situational when the buff actually applies (still haven't actually had a situation where I'm hiding from a piercing projectile yet), but the consistency is a good thing to see added to his kit.

Always?

@tamooz6649 yes always, he wasnt GREAT on release, but he was still pretty decent. Maybe not in the high ranks ro whatever, but I had some crazy games with release weaver

@@BradleyWerwhat rank are you

@@BradleyWer are you bronze or silver?

I agree; I think if you're good at LW, this last patch put him in a really strong spot. I'm worried if they try to buff him any more, they'll nerf other aspects of him and start to water down his unique playstyle (and I don't mean healbotting). This coming from dominating Masters Lobbys, before we ask Rank. Ending games rivaling the "Gold Medal Moira" stats, with really decent damage and the utility of saving ppl from ults. I think he's great atm. Any more changes from this point on is to appease the people who don't actually play him, and aren't used to his kit. Friendly reminder that Sigma was weak on release bc people thought his kit was clunky (and that was before they added the Barrier CD). The second people got used to his kit about a week in, he became extremely strong. I think people still haven't gotten used to LWs kit, because they wrote him off as an easy hero. The positioning and gamesense of a lot of LWs Ive played with in other roles usually isn't there. Unnecessary Pulls, pulls that actually ruin my aggression, pulls that try to save me, but plant me in the middle of the open with no cover. Trees that are too late or faaaaar too early. I've only played with 1 or 2 great LWs besides my own. It's not a common skillset