Y’all did a terrible job choosing true light skin people. They are mostly brown skin & we do not have the same experiences that high yellow light skin people have..
@kena6984 Yes, I really thought it was going to be females who represent different versions of dark and light skin. Then they would have done a male version as a part 2.
100%. Dark skin is seen as a masculine trait. That’s inherently beneficial to black men. Black women, due to Eurocentric beauty standards, can be labelled as angry, aggressive, mean- when really they’re upset, passionate, headstrong. Even positive labels like strong or independent can be to their detriment. Look at how black women are less likely to be helped in a public emergency, or believed to be in pain by a doctor.
Orange shirt said he is no longer colorist and continued to over compensate that by giving corny compliments BUT when 1 of the dark skin women attempted to express how she and most Dark skin Black women dont benefit from colorism he immediately went in to defend Black mens perceived privilege and over talk her 😒 He is absolutely still colorist
don’t think that count as colorist… but yea i picked up on that too and it’s definitely weird lowk sexist for mocking her, saying black women dont suffer more from colorism when she’s giving statistics not opinions but i might be reaching idk
@@asapluvrmonique3961 it actually does fall under colorism as he sees her as less than due not only her sex but her skin tone which is why he felt so emboldened to over step
So, FYI dark skinned people also get acne and pimples. We don't need the extra pressure to have perfect skin on top of being shamed for being dark skinned.
Orange shirt annoyed me throughout the whole video. In 40:56 when the guy was talking about his experience of being stopped by the police and almost put into cuffs, orange shirt literally interrupted him to say “well you were almost put in cuffs but I WAS put in cuffs. It’s like every time someone was comfortable to share an experience, the guy in the video needed to counter it with a weird compliment or make it like an oppression race where “this almost happened to you but it did to me”.
A moment where orange shirt guy basically confirmed in real time the point that the light-skinned guy in purple scrubs was making about sometimes not having a place in the community.
Black men like Orange Shirt will say all that “Black is beautiful” stuff and in the same breath exclusively only date non-Black and light skinned Black women. Something about him seems performative
Yess 🤣😭! He overcompensated a bit tooo much with his “compliments”. Kinda like those white people who overcompensate too much to show you they’re not racist lmao
Charles X makes me uncomfortable with these skin comment he frequently makes towards the dark skinned ladies. It feels like he's overcompensating. It's so cringe.
That's definitely something I've experienced as a dark-skin woman. I haven't finished the video yet so idk if they touch on this...but as a dark skinned woman I feel like I'm always either looked over for fetished. There's little in between
He was so annoying/extra and his sassy veil was lifted the longer he spoke. The lady with the locs was irritating his “I Feeeel” demons with her facts and intelligence❤
to me it just seemed like he’s been waiting so long to have conversations like this. idky everyone keeps saying he’s “weird” i get the same way when talking about something i’m passionate about. Though for orange shirt guy, he kept forgetting everyone’s experience is different and thats why red shirt and the lady with locs, had to check him a bit.
Texturism is so so real and so under discussed. I’m light skin but have 4C hair and I swearrrrr ppl get so confused (mainly cause they think I’m bi-racial) always gets confused as to how my hair is 4C. I think it’s cause they assume I’m bi-racial due to my skin and I benefit from colorism in that aspect, but then I find a disservice when I wear my hair out because it’s almost like it re-enforces that I am in fact, black…then I get treated either 2 ways: I either get weird comments like “oh go black queen”, or like “ugh your hair is just so big but it’s so pretty” or I get just completely side-eyed and ignored till I change my hair again. So happy Chrys brought that up cause it’s def real
I wish there would be a more specific debate like light skinned black women vs dark skinned black women or light skinned black men vs dark skinned black men. Because the experience of colorism is very different depending on the gender.
Yes lightskin black men are treated like feminine pretty boys and black women think men look better dark…meanwhile the men they prefer usually think women look better lighter
Girl in stripy pants in ON FIRE with her points and communication skills - I do not know what her academic background is but she reminds me of some of the best PhDs I have worked with in the social sciences. Pragmatic, emotionally intelligent and highly specific in her choice of words and expressions + challenges people when they put words in her mouth.
Or Americans who speak the language of their heritage (Spanish) as an example vs. the ones whose parents are Spanish speakers but didn’t teach their kids to speak it. That would be interesting.
Charles gives major ick. Dark skin and light skin are beautiful but he makes it weird by overcompensating and almost fetishizing dark skin women as the "prototype". And he said their skin is always perfect and never gets pimples?? Huh?? Hopefully he continues to grow in his journey
the no pimples comment was definitely something WEIRD LOOOL. it's like he was desperately scrambling for something positive to say about dark skinned people.
@ExoticalsRevenge-b8v he's overcompensating for a lack of attraction for himself. I believe that he is trying to condition himself to love himself by overdoing the compliments and research. Ultimately, thats why these type of discussions are important. Some people can relate to him and some people can observe, so that we can be more empathetic to people who have experiences like his. He was a little awkward but he is a representation of many white standard oppressed people finding their light again.
Actually he said there’s a particular type pf dark skin, the really dark skin like the girl from senegal, that never gets pimples. Also, as the first peoples dark skinned people are the prototype. Yall seem triggered by someone having a positive view of dark skin. Weird
I agree it’s always like if we try to tell our experiences nobody wants to say it’s colorism it has to be labeled a different term but in reality it is a form of colorism because it’s still discrimination of skin tone. My channel focuses on the nuances of skin tone discrimination for light skin black Individuals if you want to check it out.
I feel they discussed it. But I do feel there is a difference in how we are treated. Not invalidating your experiences in any way because they are truly valid. statistically it is a proven fact, we are both black. But not treated the same, we face deeper issues within society. That isn’t to take away from you. Either way we in this together.
@@AlexTheDiamond it wasn’t discussed it was brushed over, and there was no acknowledgment or accountability for how people with lighter completion are treated by their own community. Instead of taking their anger out on the people mistreating them they want to mistreat someone the same race as them instead. Makes zero sense to me and needs to be discussed more. Everyone knows people with darker complexion are mistreated by other races. But no one ever discusses how mixed/lighter toned black people are treated by their own community. Which in my opinion is much more egregious because you have no community to turn to. You have to stand on your own.
i don’t understand why people say that jubilee is pushing boundaries.. they’re discussing valid topics that DONT get discussed often and yes it may raise an eyebrow but im more than glad that they’re open with it because too many channels censor stuff, people need to stop being so sensitive damn .
*Some whiny people are too pee wee brained on the internet these days because they prefer not to embrace these discussions that never get discussed often.*
I understand what you’re saying, and fully agree with you on everything except the last part. A lot of their titles seem to be for rage bait, and people usually end up not even having a useful discussion and act immature so people engage with the video more. I think this video is a lot better than their other middle ground videos though.
I'm just baffled they said light-skin people don't experience colorism. Like, WHAT?! How would you know, you aren't even light-skinned! There's so much prejudice I experienced about being light-skinned, it's ridiculous. Not only is it used as a mean of questioning my intelligence, but also my validity as a black person. "We experience prejudice based on our color, but it's not colorism." WHAT?!?!??!??!?!??!
@@morningivyThe definition of colorism is “prejudice or discrimination against individuals with a dark skin tone, typically among people of the same ethnic or racial group”. Some definitions include the preferential treatment of light skin. Ism is a noun that refers to an ideology, oppressive system, or a belief. In other words, colorism isn’t an oppressive system toward light skin people. Colorism isn’t the belief that light skin is below dark skin. All is true in reverse. Looking at history and present day colorism is an oppressive system toward darker skin. It is the belief that darker skin is below light skin. It is the belief that light skin is deserving of preferential treatment. And we see it play out in society in many different ways. This isn’t to say that light skin people don’t face their own issues because they do.
@@KayTalkNYC To me, colorism is just prejudice based on color, which anyone can experience. There's even colorism in the white community with eye color and hair color. "Discrimination based on skin tone, also known as colorism or shadeism, is a form of prejudice and discrimination in which people of certain ethnic groups, or people who are perceived as belonging to a different-skinned racial group, are treated differently based on their different skin tone."
I think he has unaddressed issues of misogynoir. He has issues with darker skinned Black women and he didn't seem to like that the woman with the locs was more intelligent than him
She's a "special one" in general. Watches baddies, admitted she would regularly come to work late for two years straight. So I'm not surprised. So glad to see more black women in general embrace wearing natural hair. Been seeing it more in recent years.
I see a lot of people in the comments talking about how beautiful Hanna is, dark skin smooth and glistening, etc. She is, for sure, but more that that, I love how eloquent and intelligent she is. You can tell shes been thru a lot but she's put in the work and anyone blessed to be in her periphery will benefit from that.
thank you for saying this, as a dark skin it can be jarring seeing everyone go from one far extreme to another . Compliments are nice but it still continues the idea that all people see when they look at us is unique dark skin. And sometimes it feels like pity tbh, like "oh im gonna compliment you bc you probably dont get them often" , which sucks. I just want to be seen as a regular human and treated as one too, I bet other dark skin girls can relate.
Dude in the orange needs serious therapy and learn how to control his emotions so he can articulate his views in a effective way. Everything is not an attack.
@@hearts4_princessabsolutely….thats why I commented my opinion…people get defensive when they feel attacked. It’s not a “mean” statement. It’s what I’ve observed.
The guy is orange is annoying. I hate people who throw out over the top compliments in these conversations because it takes away from the seriousness of the conversation. Very performative
he's giving toxic masculinity hidden under a ''nice guy'' act. The way he was shutting down the dark-skinned black women... WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING FAAACTS !!
Charles also said dark skin people don’t get burned in the sun and that’s not true at all! The sun burns all human skin! darker skin doesn’t hold more sun prone properties. If it did then how would it benefit dark skin? It would have no effect at all. The sun gives us all vitamin D, as human beings. The sun was made for us all UVB rays help every human produce vitamin D. Dude was trying to sound smart & was just sounding very obsessive over darker skin.
Ig I wasn’t paying attention cause I was cleaning but when I read what people where saying about the orange shirt guy and got to 38 mins I was like mmmmm I see what yall talking about. He just kept throwing it out there
GHANA doesn't much of an issue with colourism as it's in the Western Part of the continent. The issue of colourism seems to come up moreso in the Carribbean (with bleaching) and in the Latin countries. It could be a challenge exacerbated as the diaspora is psychologically reeling from rejection by the white population they're in proximity to. This is not a big issue in Ghana.
i’m african and almost all of my aunties have used some type of bleaching product, same goes for almost all of the women i met that are of the same ethnicity as me and if you go to any african shop (most especially a west african one), i guarantee you that there will most likely be some type of skin whitening cream.
The guy in the orange shirt seems like he has a spouse that is non-black and for him to be black he wants to get approval from Black people, whether their light skin or dark skin
My sista in the white shirt wit the dreads/locs, she is so well spoken !! She was speaking straight facts !! I love that yall had this important conversation. I personally experience colorism all the time and even when I was younger . It's mentally draining !!
@@Lala-eo4eq doing my part in destroying colorism. Even if it is a real thing to yall, it does not stop you from achieving your goals or chasing dreams. So y even VALIDATE something that only exists in your mind?
Judging from your profile pic (if that’s even you) congrats to you for not experiencing colorism and being brown skinned. I hope that continues cuz if you did personally or at least paid attention to what’s going on around you, you’d know it’s a systemic issue. Hope that helps.
@@Geminicricketiit might not stop you for achieving your dreams or goals but it’s still a thing, It’s common knowledge that dark skinned people have to work 10x harder to be accepted and be successful than someone with lighter skin
Orange shirt guy is so weird how he keeps saying things like “the sun was made for you Hanna”…like wtf 😭 Edit: Being weirded out and offended are two totally different things…a lot of you missed comprehension in your language arts classes 🥴
Lol I don’t think it’s weird. He’s pouring into her bc he knows that’s not a common thing for ppl who are of a darker complexion. Kinda what Chrys said earlier in the conversation about her mother complimenting her all the time because she knew the world would not. If you get what I mean.
I was just watching this show on freevee about people in the Phillipines and how they were using all of these skin creams, pills and iv treatments to get lighter. I didn't see all of the show though. It was really sad.
despite everything, this was the first middle ground in a while that was calm, everyone was well spoken and nobody attacked anyone's character. a breath of fresh air, more of these please and thank you
Ngl i know he means well but charles x comes off as extra. He can't just share an anecdote about his dark-skinned sister, he has to go over the top about stating how amazing it is?
@@Stopthecäqit’s okay to feeling bad hearing a comment like that even if it’s coming from a kid. acting like if there’s not grown people that would say something similar at their big age. let’s not invalidate other peoples feelings.
This is true. My family is from Nigeria. We are Igbo people. My mom, sister, both aunts and several cousins are very light skin despite no European or Asian ancestry. If you have Nigerian ancestry (specifically Igbo), your chances of having a light skin child is very high because it's a common trait. You see it a lot with African Americans of Nigerian ancestry.
@@anncokaforwhat’s really funny in my family is that there is 6 of us and we are split down the middle lightskin darkskin. Me my brother and mum are lightskin, my dad, sister and other brother are darkskin. My mums Igbo and dads Yoruba
Light skin men have VERY diff experiences with their complexion than light skin women do - just like dark skin men compared to dark skin women. Also find it interesting one of the lighter women is plus size because that removes her a bit from the beauty standard when people think of a lighter skin woman.
I agree with you but I would also add the reason why "light skinned" men aren't a preference anymore to black women because it started to become a problem. In the 90s light skinned men were extremely sought after and every woman wanted one. But black women decided to change the narrative and uplift dark skinned men. It's just sad that black men can't do the same for dark skinned women.
I agree. The light skinned plus size women is not the beauty standard (even tho she is beautiful). I also notice a lot of ppl keep saying she’s “brown skinned” or not light skinned and I think its because she is not what they think of when they think of light skin
The people in the comments saying “such and such aren’t light skin, they’re brown skin” missed the entire point of the video EDIT: Let me add on to this. There are NO objective benchmarks for y’all to be trying to classify who is & isn’t light skin and because of that there will be a lot of overlap. The darkest shades of light skin and the lightest shades of brown skin are often one and the same. Yall also have to think about tanning. The people yall are saying arent light enough to be light skin could be pale as snow during the winter. Point is, there’s way too many factors to consider for yall to be this confident in trying to classify who is and isn’t light skin.
I am a result of that. My grandparents are dark and my parents. The San tribe in Africa is light skinned with DNA markers that go back 200,000 years. They are not light-skinned because they are mixed.
My family used to tell me “The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice” and I heard it so much that it definitely helped me fight external colorist forces.
@@whatoh3407 I'm light-skinned and I've heared that quote a lot. That quote is meant to uplift people with darker complexion. There's no reason to turn it into an insult. If it doesn't apply to you then don't put yourself in it.
@@des_elise While it's intended as a positive affirmation for people with dark skin, it's possible for some to interpret it as excluding or diminishing those with lighter skin tones. Inclusivity and sensitivity to different experiences and feelings are important when discussing topics related to race and appearance. Celebrating diversity means recognizing and valuing all shades and tones, ensuring that no one feels diminished or excluded. It's important to acknowledge and respect how phrases affect different individuals. Do you understand that language and expression can have different impacts on people depending on their personal experiences and perspectives?
@@whatoh3407That's the thing though, that isn't the only uplifting quote about skin tone. There are others depending on what skin tone you have. There's nothing wrong with celebrating differences.
Too many of y’all refuse to understand that there are levels to complexion. Just because they aren’t the same complexion as Ice Spice, doesn’t mean they aren’t light skinned.
Must be a U.S. regional trait bc in my cipher, both Sabrina and Joseph would _NOT_ be considered light-skinned. It’s their call, of course, if they want to label themselves that _BUT_ they should *not* be upset if other black folks don’t see them as fair complected.
They're all roughly the same color as my light skinned mom. She gets mistaken for Mexican when she travels sometimes and I'm sure these guys have had it happen to them.
@@gabrielmcdonnell8699who told you lightskinned only means fair complected????? Lightskinned is a ligthskinned color. Brownskinned makes no sense. Y'all call the lighter darkskins brown and the darker lightskins brown, but if you put both beside each other you will clearly see the difference.
@@terrianwilliams2624By no stretch of the imagination was I trying to be dogmatic with my original post. I simply pointed out that within the culture, this light-skinned criteria might be regional. _I_ don’t consider Joseph (burgundy hoodie) light-skinned but it’s not my place nor is it anyone else’s to prevent him from claiming to be of fair complexion. That said, I’ll reiterate: Joseph and Sabrina should *NOT* be upset if some black ppl don’t see them as light-skinned. For example, put Joseph next to Steph Curry and poll black folks asking them “who is light-skinned, Joseph or Steph Curry?”
@@gabrielmcdonnell8699It's kinda sounding like they're offended on these people behalf that they're not considered lightskin. Notice how the actual two light skins in the room acknowledged their privileges and weren't oblivious? Sabrina and Jordan are comparing themselves to their darker skin family members.
Something interesting is that the person asking questions sounds very Indian and they are known for being extremely colorist and classist. I wonder what her thoughts on some of these questions would be.
Yes, I am from India and definitely you would find a lot of people from India who are colorist and classist but that is not the story of the entire country. India is a huge country with so much diversity in it. If you move a few miles away you'll find a whole different culture. We have something called "British hangover". After almost 200 years of British rule, we definitely did pick up a lot of discrimination and are still facing the impacts.
I love Chrys!!! I love everything she said. I wanted to say that dark skinned Black men do benefit from colorism in social settings because dark skin is perceived as masculine. As men, that benefits them, but that is a disadvantage to dark skin black women because women want to be viewed as feminine
Colorism is a problem Worldwide. Even in Asian countries. It’s an important conversation but it’s not exclusive to the Black Community. Edit: This is just me eluding to the fact that there’s an opportunity to broaden this conversation, rightfully so.
Facts! Come to Manila and you’ll see skin lightening creams in every drugstore. You’ll even see billboards and commercials for these creams! And this colorist view is rampant in other Asian countries as well. Sad that in 2024 this crap is still going on.
Eurgh yeah, like that’s your CHILD - the SEED is what is used to fertilise the egg, so it’s weird to talk about a living human child as just being “your seed”.
The standard of beauty is often centred around the idea that "white is better" across various cultures. However, there seems to be a growing trend of emulating black features with surgery and fillers. Maybe the future is better for black people? LOL
@@riza361 in a black and white world that would make sense but in our reality that wouldn't be a better future. society only accepts the emulation of our features on white/lighter skin but not when they're born with dark bodies. Even so, the fact that our features had to be popularized and "trending" by non-black people in order to be respected or seen as valid is a problem within itself.
That’s not obvious at all. The sun wasn’t made for a specific color of human. The sun wasn’t made for humans at all. The sun made humans, but it wasn’t made for us. Especially not just one subsection of us.
The guy in the orange shirt was very exclusive. He made sure he gave praise to the darker skinned women but kind of brushed off the lighter skinned people. He probably didn’t even know how passive he was being
@@klz95002:45 he did say that the dark skinned people are the prototype aka the original. He seems very dismissive to the light skinned people and experience , which counteract what he said about himself not being colourist
@@OddsandSodsbyOkky dude is kinda corny but he was speaking facts tho dark skin is the prototype lol don't be mad because what he said is the truth you'll be ok you light brights still benefit from colorism so..
Its very interesting how Sabrina considers herself light skinned. I am from California and out here most people would consider her simply black or even a darker skinner woman. I am about her tone and I have never considered myself light skinned.
I agree, sabrina is definitely not light , im frm BK and if she called herself lightskin i guess im clear , I actually think her complexion is perfect, id love to be a lil more tan
@@Blondii890she’s light brown. She’s near my complexion. But I also think it’s unfair how when we claim to be brown, ppl either wanna call us lightskin OR darkskin for the people on the darker spectrum of brown. For someone like me, it’s nice to claim our own spectrum in the community because everyone wants to lecture us about our skin. I don’t consider myself lightskin, nor do I consider myself darkskin. And the reason for this is because I have been around both sides and I notice a huge difference. I’m more on the lighter side of brown but I am NOT a lightskin. Us brown skins are always being told what we are and I think we should have our own rep. People might think these labels divide us but I just see it as a way to specifically describe a melanated person. I would say Cailen is the definition of lightskin but maybe my perspective is different because of where I come from. On the other hand, I don’t agree with the colourism that’s comes with the labelling. We are all black and just because we are different shades, doesn’t make anyone less beautiful or better looking.
Lightskin women, and darkskin men recieve social privileges by being promoted on screen, in their respective ways. They often dismiss their counterparts experience.
@@imetwurld-ey9sx Do you have any examples of lightskin men promoted as strong masculine or powerful leaders? Lightskin is sold to the masses as soft, feminine and emotional.
i agree, at the same time tho like the guy in the orange said, not all social privileges are really privileges when you take into consideration how they're being portrayed (usually being hypersexualized, hypermasculinized, aggressive)
She's not. She's past her prime and she's an admitted feminist who would rather disappear from the earth when she passes than leave better versions of herself to move forward. Overall, she's not wife-material. That's her choice, but that's the facts.
@@Hawtestyf Exactly what I thought when they brought up light-skinned biracial people in the industry. That further expresses anti-Black sentiments in entertainment for that to be the predominant representation for monoracial Black women
Now do: -East Asians vs south Asians -Afro latinx vs white Latinx vs indigenous latinx -Dark skinned Indians vs light skinned Indians Because the conversations are fairly similar 👀
I love how Chrys ate up that guy in the orange with sheer facts because he reali was tryna overstep her point & go on like what she said wasn't valid when it was. He seems very self absorbed and like she said just because you haven't experienced something doesnt mean it doesnt happen - data supports that. She articulated herself so well & tbh that guy in orange gives weird & like he's fighting internal issues with himself still.
Chrys and Cailen brought facts and weren't going off just their feelings alone. They made this conversation worth listening too. 10 out of 10! I'd love to see this conversation through difference ethnic groups, colorism is prevalent in every racial group, it would be interesting to see this convo from different perspectives
@@pam-t1n I do agree, Tyler didn't say much but when he did he was speaking facts. Kwame (Hanna as well) gave a new perspective, especially on the "Diaspora" issues so prevalent in the community.
I think you’re focusing too much on their appearance rather than their experience. If you don’t have the experience of being called and treated as lightskinned, you’re probably not. Reality is, cameras aren’t perfect, these people could look slightly lighter or darker in person.
He brings nothing to the conversation , he's loud and he's in oppression Olympics like "I'm worse " or i"t doesn't happen "always wants to shut down the girl with the locs when she speaks facts , he's very prefomative and he's talking to other darkskins in weird way
I’ve seen light skin girls get bullied and beat up because they were light skin. Especially if they had wavy hair. I’ve also seen light skin men being called soft and bullied.
I also see Black women (especially dark skinned Black women) saying they don’t date light skinned men because they’re soft, feminine, etc. I’ve even heard some go as far as calling them gay…..And I’m like, do y’all not realize how harmful those stereotypes are against yourselves?? Saying light skinned men are soft/feminine due to their complexion is indirectly saying dark skin is masculine. A lot of people truly don’t use their brains.
This^^^^^^ In my opinion, the light skin commentators were too afraid to say there is colorism towards them within the community. Yes, there is no denial on societal preferences towards light skin folks but we don’t talk the hate and resentment we receive just for being light skin within the black community.
lets be realistic though, in mainstream media and music, light skinned women are treated like the beauty preferences when compared to darker skinned women. lets be so for REAL. were there lighter skinned girls bullied? Yes. However, once you turn 18 and you enter the dating/adult/societal world, you see how much more pedestalized and accepted lighter skin is. It's important to not be dense.
And when these lightskin women talk about these experiences they get cut off and that they don’t believe them because they are trying to make themselves victims? Why can’t lightskin women talk about these problems without getting told that barely happens to them when it does. As a darkskin women, i’ve seen this growing up, it happens both ways?
@@larisamelendez7964Nope we better not even mention how bad dark skinned people treat us, we are expected to take just the abuse and insults from them and if you do say something you get called "sensitive".
One of the best middle ground episodes I’ve ever seen! It was insightful, educational and respectful. Loved everyone’s point of view and learned so much from this❤
ppl who are calling the black people out in this video saying some of them are brown skin and boxing them in even more is the reason why this video exists
