You highlighted exactly what the Linux community needs to hear: shit needs to work out of the box (no terminal at all), or there won't be a year of the Linux desktop that many Linux users want.
For that you need devs and drivers... You won't get that because there is not enough desktop adoption, Linux is not windows, it doesn't have to work like it and it will never do... People pretend to not have to learn anything new when switching to something completely different, it ridiculous, I switched 3 months ago and I'm happy with it...
@@NicoTheCinderace if you don't like it, don't use it. The only people in the Linux community who want to somehow force people to use Linux or act like Linux is objectively great for every usecase are the hardcore arch users who do nothing but work on i3 rices all day. The rest of us don't care about "the year of the Linux desktop" or anything, we just like using it personally and don't force it onto others
I like how you can bait tutorials out of linux users by telling them that what you want to do is impossible on linux. Out of anger they will show you the way
My philosophy is that the OS should disappear to the average user. It should just work well. If the user finds themselves thinking about which OS they're using, then that's a flaw. I spent a day setting up Mint the way I wanted on my desktop, and now most days my OS never crosses my mind. Except for the occasional kinks like a password protected pdf 🙄
At the very least, having a large entity like LMG acting as the common voice for most average computer users could have a positive impact on the Linux/GNU development overall.
Kind of nitpicking here, but I don't think Linus is especially average. If anything, he represents the folks who are exceptionally into computers and tech, but are completely immersed in a different paradigm. That's still a very valuable demographic, though.
As someone that has been working in the Windows world for 30 years and has dabbled in Linux for almost the same amount of time. THANK YOU. The average user want it to be a toaster type experience. Until Linux gets there it will not "win". And when people that want to get off of Windows are told they are dumb because it's difficult to get things working they just think it's garbage and the community is garbage.
at the moment, Linux is for people who want to fiddle around a lot. plain and simple. Windows is for folks who just wants things to work. they want to install windows, install some games and be up and running in a set amount of time. the installation of linux might be faster but no one actually knows if your game works and how much time it'll take for you to apply patches and stuff. it might be out of the box, it might take a day's worth of trial and error. all and all, it's all subjective really. linux is better for some people while windows is better for some people.
Just to provide some perspective, that is pretty much how many console gamers see the Windows PC gaming community too. Windows is not "works out of the box" even though those used to it might think so, there is a level of difficulty installing windows/drivers/tweaking settings etc... And there are plenty of toxic Windows users too towards those that are complete noobs to PC gamiung. Linux just takes it just another step further in difficulty.
@@jackieburkhart3268 Not exactly, windows is more of a general operating system, you use it when you want to do as many things as possible. Most games on steam are specifically made for windows, most apps are made for windows. It's also user friendly, you don't need to know how the entire operating system works just to use it. Though, it isn't as user friendly and advanced as macos, windows in general just isn't the best operating system. It isn't as customizable and safe as Linux either, so it's basically just a middle ground if you want to do something. You use Linux when you want a guarantee that you have control over your entire system, and use Windows when you just want an operating system.
exactly this! As a teenager i wanted to try Linux but after a couple of trials and difficulties, i just said :" i don't have the time for this/don't care enough". This was 20 years ago btw, so it was almost like a secret society: almost no guides on the internet, no one i knew had it and even the specialized publications were almost fanzine like(in my country at least). More control and freedom shouldn't be an excuse for less accessibility. Windows has different layers of complexity, you can go deep into the rabbit hole of customization and fine tuning, or just "plug and play ". Why not do the same?
@@jackieburkhart3268 The solution - not allow Linux to run anything that was not developed specifically for it. This what consoles do,this what phones do,this what Windows do. I'm not for such solution,but this is stupid answer for stupid criticizing point.
I go through a "Linux is the only OS for me" once a year until I realize just how difficult I'm making my life and just settle with windows again. Its a vicious never ending cycle
I just did for the first time and I have concluded Linux is not a proper desktop replacement. I also hate the fact that not all linux software runs on all linux distros, mfs are hurting themselves.
Windows makes my life equally if not more difficult than Linux which is why I will never use Windows again and if an application or game I like doesn't work I would sooner find an alternative or never use it again rather than switch to Windows for it. Windows gets worse constantly and consistently and the issues with it cause so many more problems than Linux, and they are MUCH harder to fix because Microsoft is actively trying to cripple you in every way with their updates and "features" and it prevents you from fixing the newest issue of the week courtesy of their regularly scheduled forced updates.
@@Zladnyl what issues do you have with windows? I mainly play games, edit/record videos and watch youtube on my PC, and ive never had a moment where i thought "damn windows holding me back) it only updates every so often after a restart but it takes like a minute to do, im genuinely curious why windows makes your life difficult
I want to love Linux. I really do, I've tried it a few times, and in some cases the range of customizable stuff is so refreshing, and the performance is substantially better. But seriously. I have never before had to google so often "how to [extremely basic function or program] on linux". It's not user friendly. I missed all the software I use in windows. I dont want to look at a terminal every few minutes and blindly using commands I found online just to get very simple shit to work.
@@victorhugofranciscon7899You never encountered such issues with win 11? Ok my system with genuine win 11 time is wrong unless I dual boot debian!, taking a screenshot didn't work initially and a multitude of other issues and poor design choices that makes the os just bad. For chrome just hangs sometimes. While there are solutions for problems you encounter in Linux in windows if they haven't addressed it in their updates you're just lost
Linux Mint honestly. It doesn't use names like "Microsoft Word" for its feature-rich text editor. It uses LibreOffice Writer. And so on. You will have to learn those new program names but you can install that OS drunk and you're golden. It also has an "app store" that is a breeze to use. No registration whatsoever. Just whatever program, discord, spotify, steam, what have you, on a clean interface This modern OS recommends 4GB of RAM (minimum 2GB) and 100 GB of drive space.
Yeah, I think I got a botched copy. Box said it was an OS built for gaming, called "Satin". It keeps asking me to deposit 30 liters of virgin blood into my disk drive.
I really hope linux reaches its max potential and receives more support from third parties, because Linux deserves so much more. When that happens, I won't hesitate to make the switch from Windows to Linux, but right now, it's not worth the hassel, at least not for someone who isn't tech savvy.
not being tech savvy is the biggest hurdle for me too. ive been trying to learn more, but computers arent the cheapest thing to get into. especially now, and where i dont have an extra setup to practice and learn with, its not worth the risk. I'll gladly switch to linux if it ever reaches its higher potential. but for now, where its extremely hard to find reliable guides that cater to the tech inept like me, i think I'll stay where i am.
@gilkesisking I don't to take a fucking degree just to play games, not thank you i'll stop my self of wasting my life time learning something that allready works for me as easy as windows
Linux doesn't need to overtake Windows. I think it just needs to be easy enough to where it can take maybe a 10% market share minimum on Steam surveys, meaning 1 in 10 PC gamers use Linux. Right now it's just over 1% and has actually stayed there consistently since Steam Deck was announced. We're getting there.
He is pretty much stuck in VM-s now because so many thing just work on Windows. But virtualazing Windows 11 is dumb because of a processor requirement so may as well run Windows 11 natively
@@master_b8985 But what about unethical hacking? Is hacking with any other system than Kali Linux unethical? Can I ethically hack with Ubuntu? And which system do I need for unethical hacking? Can I unethically hack with Windows, or with MacOS? You seem to know a lot. Is it possible to learn this power?
@@PetyrC90 He said that it is better to just run it as a VM because then he runs it just for what he needs to do (which is just to run games that don't work with Proton when it comes to windows) and once he is done he goes back to linux
@gilkesisking Idk what you mean everything I want to use works just fine on windows?. It works extremely well for me lol. Maybe I'm just too dumb to understand what you mean though.
I like Linux, but it’s so strange that so many Linux users seem to wear its flaws like badges of honor. “Linux is flawed and there’s nothing that can be done to make it as user friendly as Windows or Mac OS.” If Windows talked like this in its infancy, it never would have become the OS it is today.
That also flies directly into the face of their argument that it's infinitly customisable because it's open source. The whole point of Linux is you make it your own, which is also why it'll NEVER be the mainstream solution on the desktop as there will be so, so many versions of it (as there already are) that cater too specifically to certain people or groups. It's absolutely amazing as an infrastructure platform, which is why it dominates in such realms, but somewhere you need broad compatibility and consistent functionality? Nope.
it's embarassing when you consider that DOS applications from the 90's ALL had user interfaces, it was a thing that was shunned upon even back then, not having one... linux guys just use this bull argument of "stuff is made for free" to justify mediocrity
@@TalesOfWar you seem to talk a lot of abstract stuff that sounds great in phrases but do not really translate that well when it comes to PRACTICAL daily life usage... "infrastructure"?? LOL 🤣🤣 oh, you mean like the Smart TV's that are on the market now? the ones that crash when you let longer youtube videos playing because they reach an out-of-memory state? yeah 🤣
@@FeelingShred I mean the stuff that literally runs the internet and modern world. Linux dominates the datacentre and networking space from big iron down to the router sat in your house. For that it's brilliant as it can be crafted to do as needed, but when you have the wider public using it you need something consistent in as few flavours as possible to make it easy to support, hence MacOS and Windows dominating in those spaces, or iOS and Android on the mobile front.
Honestly I would love to switch to almost any of the main Linux distros but every time I do I just experience bugs, incompatibilities and miss the software I had on windows of which the alternatives are awful or just not the same. That and having to end up spending countless hours tweaking configs / trying barebone software to try and get stable audio, display scaling and input devices being fully functional.
Um what? What bugs? What imcompabilities? Tweaking files for audio??? Display scaling? What are you running that you to need to do all of this? What input devices? You're literally having big words to make it sound worse then it is. I'm sure if you install Ubuntu you won't use any issues I've never had to do any of these things to get my display or audio or anything like that working 😂😂😂
As a Linux user for 2 decades, I'm glad LTT made that video series. If anything, they very clearly show how Linux is not yet on par with Windows or Mac in terms of simplicity for the user. If more people did this, I'm pretty sure Linux on the desktop would get better.
@@nathanlamaire Chrome OS is just a browser with an Android compatibility layer. Linux has web browsers already. It only became popular because it's a Google product and it's cheap. The steam deck might be a success, but people won't use desktop Linux - they'll just use their steam deck.
@@technophobian2962 I'm not talking about how the OS is made, I just talk about how the major OS become successful. Chrome OS also had a rough time taking over market share so being Google alone can't help the popularity,. Being a big company is not an excuse, people just want solution that works, and Linux simply doesn't give it.
Trying to get help from Linux bros is the real reason I gave up on Linux. I hate giving these tech monopolies my custom but trying to get help with Linux was the most obnoxious experience. I have a full time job and a family I don't need to feel like I need to go back to school just to run my machine.
The Linux community is fucking insufferable. Most Linux distros I've tried are a buggy, barely usable nightmare, requiring you to configure half of even the most basic shit via command line or configs buried 10 folders deep in obscure, difficult-to-remember places, with a tendency to self-destruct after every major distro update thanks to a buggy as fuck upgrade process. The average Linux experience is 20% using it, and 80% spending hours trying to diagnose a new problem. Do they care? Nope. If they don't just straight up deny that there's a problem with the Distro, they'll end up telling you to reinstall (which should only be a last resort, and you may lose very important and complex configurations / customizations in the process) or parrot "PEBCAK" or some other smug bullfuck without considering where the problem truly lies. I hate Microsoft's monopoly as much as anyone (thus why I haven't paid for Windows in over a decade), but at least, Windows works most of the time, it's more stable now than it has ever been, and does what I need it to do. Also, there's avenues that can still be taken to strip it of any telemetry and whatnot (AtlasOS being one example, or a properly configured Pro install being another. The group policy manager is a great thing.).
you get shit support, because its free open source OS. did you offer too hire the linux bro as a training consultant, or did you just get bitchy that someone wouldnt help an anonymous stranger, online for free? there might be a reason WHY you arent getting help. ever hear the phrase "Never do something for free"? think about that line for a moment.
Interesting… this does make a lot of sense. They can be dickheads, but there are good people in them. Typically they’re anal af on supplying enough information for your inquiry so that they can help. This is normally because these people are also professionals and for them to help, we need as much info as possible. Reddit isn’t the best place because if it isn’t a PhD worthy question, it gets downvoted lol.
My take on Linux: if it works for you, great, if it doesn't, that's the way it is. Do what is best for YOU, not for a bunch neckbeards on the internet. Personally, I love the commandline, window managers and desktop environments. Don't feel the need to justify rationally your preference, just do what works for YOU!
I've used many linux distros to extend the life and use of old computers (Mandrake/Mandriva, Mint, Puppy, Ubuntu, etc) over the last 20 years. That said, I will never use a Linux distribution for my primary work until a version is developed where "which version of Linux are you using" isn't the first question that gets asked. On what planets should the installation of Steam remove your desktop environment? Why is that warning even a thing? Ask Windows users how much time they think about using their OS. They want to think about the applications, not the OS.
I actually think Linus did a pretty good job on covering Linux as well, I've been running Mint for about 2+ years now whenever I have a desktop, but even though it's really stable, if I didn't like learning about computers, or learning the terminal, I would have literally loathed using it.
My first operating system was DOS, at the age of about five or six years old, so having to learn a terminal isn't that bad. It's mostly a mild headache of having to memorize a lot of new commands, as even different versions of Linux might use different repositories, and individual programs often have their own command line setup.
@@cerebraldreams4738 you do know we have easier to learn when very young right, I'm not doubting that this is your experience but you can't expect everyone to be on the same level of comfort with terminal windows as you especially not people who have grown up since windows has been a thing
@@emiliskog That's probably an underappreciated factor. Children pick up new languages like it's nothing while adults struggle to remember how to ask where the bathroom is, and it's in large part due to the brain changing as you get older. I wouldn't be surprised if GUIs are easier for the average person because they rely more on different parts of the brain.
He absolutely did, he did a great job. Specially by deleting his DE, that problem got fixed super fast because of it. Linux can be a little bit newbie un-friendly. And deleting your DE while installing Steam shouldn't even be an option in the first place.
Your take on this is pretty good, LTT was just trying to show the generalized experience in Linux based operating systems and I think they did a decent job of that.
@@RetroFrequency alot of techies overestimate the general public, for aloooooot of people simple things like changing from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 on their TV is complicated to learn.
I think linux is just too complicated to be worth it for the average user. I would definitely use it in the future if it becomes as simple to do stuff as windows without incompatabilitys.
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg It's 100% the truth. I'm a Windows poweruser and it's great, I have every program and videogame I want working with only a .dll fix at most if they're really old games, no emulators needed (unless they're extremely old ofc). Migrating to linux and having to reconfigure everything to my liking, and making such a massive library of games work there and finding very similar programs, would be a job on itself. I use linux if it's needed for a job. Windows for everything else.
@@unocualqu1era oh definitely, having Linux run the way you want it to and finding the alternatives that work/emulators is basically a part time job in of itself
I feel like some would say this shouldn’t be a discussion because Linux is more of a developer/technical system, but if the system is going to be free and available, easy to install, have a GUI, and the community is going to recommend it over Windows or another unix-like system like macOS, then it needs to be relatively n00b proof.
Yeah, problem is, like Muta said it's like vegans of the nerd community. Pretty sure most of the people who are sneering at those who use Windows don't actually want the world to embrace Linux. Elitism can't exist if everyone's elite after all. They want a high barrier to entry so they can lord their superiority over others. That's not to say this applies to everyone, as there's legitimately people who actually want things to be better for everyone. Those are the people who would gladly help you switch over, give you advice on what distro to pick up, and probably warn you ahead of time to know what you're getting into. Contrast the people I knew who would always use the term "Windoze" and seemed to constantly have an air of smugness and arrogance about them. Those, by contrast, are probably the people who would ridicule Linus for deleting his GUI and probably serve a not so insignificant role in actually discouraging and gatekeeping people out of the Linux community. After all, it's not about making the world a better place for those people. It's about being BETTER THAN YOU.
"I use Linux as my operating system,” I state proudly to the unkempt, bearded man. He swivels around in his desk chair with a devilish gleam in his eyes, ready to mansplain with extreme precision. “Actually”, he says with a grin, "Linux is just the kernel. You use GNU+Linux!’ I don’t miss a beat and reply with a smirk, “I use Alpine, a distro that doesn’t include the GNU coreutils, or any other GNU code. It’s Linux, but it’s not GNU+Linux.” The smile quickly drops from the man’s face. His body begins convulsing and he foams at the mouth and drops to the floor with a sickly thud. As he writhes around he screams “I-IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS IT’S STILL GNU!” Coolly, I reply “If Windows was compiled with GCC, would that make it GNU?” I interrupt his response with “-and work is being made on the kernel to make it more compiler-agnostic. Even you were correct, you wont be for long.” With a sickly wheeze, the last of the man’s life is ejected from his body. He lies on the floor, cold and limp. I’ve womansplained him to death.
It's not the anti-cheats fault at this point. BattleEye has stated they've had linux support for a while now, but it's up to developers to implement it. And Easy Anti-Cheat is compatible with proton, but again it's up to the developer to implement. Since the market share is so low most developers don't bother implementing support for either native linux or proton.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 not possible, the developers of the game need to do it because in the game's code itself there's a switch that only allows windows
This is misinformation. BattlEye works with Proton perfectly, the devs don't have to change code or "flip switches" in their code from windows to linux..... As a matter of fact, they don't have to change anything, all they have to do is send BattlEye a mail, telling them to opt-in their game. Yes. It is literally that easy. No code changes. Before you call me a liar or source: This is coming from BattlEye themselves.
WOW-O-WOW. Am I a crazy fan of yours from now or what? Probably the best Linux opinion I've heard...... EVER, from a Linux user. None of the nonsense gatekeeping, none of the blind hate towards every company/dev who wants to earn some money, none of the "oh 3000 Terminal commands fixes booting, and you're just illiterate" kinda stuff. Accepting the flaws, highlighting the advantages and respectfully pointing Linus' mistakes and analysing, like with that PopOS issue, unlike so many other Linux channels that have covered it and basically just went radioactive.
Amen to that! The main reason people work on Linux/FOSS, is because their terrible attitude would get them sacked VERY quickly. As the developer, with the exception of someone taking a sledge to the hardware, EVERYTHING IS YOUR FAULT. If you don't like that, find a different profession.
Linuxmint is the one that for me has been the most stable over time. I first used it in 2008 and didn't think much of it. Had a slight preference for Ubuntu at the time, but over time Linuxmint has been the one distribution that I can always go back to and have a relatively hassle-free experience. Recently I've started to prefer Manjaro. I hope Manjaro can stay on track, but I have a feeling we might see a lot of branching the next decade.
Debian "unstable" has ironically been the most stable and reliable distro for my workstation use. But I probably wouldn't recommend it to a new user anyawy.
I dual boot Manjaro and Windows 10 on my laptop thanks to our man Mutahar over here. He recommended it a long time ago and I've used it a lot over the years, I like it the most out of the dozens I've tried. It just works out of the box. Windows runs okay on the lower tier dual core mobile i7 but Linux is definitely the smoother of the two, and great for work/productivity. Gotta run windows on my main though.
have you tried straight Debian or MX Linux? I am a fan of straight Debian for a long time, but MX is really great is you have Nvidia GPU. Just curious if you tried them, MX is pretty much trying to be the Debian based version of Manjaro.
Linux has always seemed super cool to me personally, and sooner or later I'm going to jump in. So when Linus did this series it seemed like it was going to be super fun until I saw that very loud vocal minority throwing a bitch fit. Not as bad as people who swear up and down how amazing Apple is, but still disheartening.
@@samljer Don't worry I know, it just sucks you know because this is probably the best Linux advertisement users could hope for from a outward reach standpoint.
@@ilovecody7514 I prefer that vocal minority in Linux rather than the vocal majority in Windows that think it is the best to this day because it's the most used, that think 10 or 11 are better than 7, that simply because the thousands of issues with Windows doesn't affect them it "doesn't matter". I also prefer that vocal minority in Linux rather than have a multi-billion dollar company spy on me, place limits on me, and overall breathe down my neck 24/7. I can ignore a vocal minority, I cannot ignore my rights, freedoms, and privacy being infringed upon every waking moment while the system I use becomes ever worse, harder to use/maintain/tolerate/customize, and so much more.
I don't know why Linux users can't simply appreciate that people get it: It's for people who would intentionally invest time to make it work properly but is not for everyone, not even for a casual level - and this is not even an insult but a testament that it is a promising OS but better left for people who are willing to deep-dive for it yet. People get it that it's great, but it's still far from being a very commercial or in a public-friendly state. I guessed the point is, you really don't have to be vegan about it, they get what you're into and they respect it that way, no need to shove it over.
this is very far from a true statement...there are plenty of distros that are more grandma friendly than anything microsoft or apple has ever produced...
@@kaptenkrok8123 not really, even mint is a bit much for your casual user. I would know as I was confused when I tried to use a USB drive on mint and it wouldn't work, so I had to Google and learn how to mount the drive. Your grandma is probably not gonna know how to do that.
@@kaptenkrok8123 you already said it yourself - it takes a LOT of different distros to eventually have some user-friendly versions (another point to tell about Linux's progression) unlike how other OS where they only have at least 1 version or platform as much as possible for everyone to get an equal access with, and we're not even getting to a point which distro is the most accessible as most Linux users would have their own say about which is best for starters.
that's why it will never be popular, its core philosophy is disliking commercializing software. The community that contributes to it are the ones who will or will not making it the the best. aaaaand i use it cause i don't like a privatized company shoving its nose into every part of the system that I wanna modify because i am dumb and a curios being
I lived through the late 90's when Linux was touted to take over the desktop environment, but it seems like it never really moved past its initial foothold in terms of market share.
If Valve can get their shit together and actually make their SteamOS more Windows like and more workable, I'd say that we may have a contender for most users... but one can only dream.
I think steam even creating a pc that runs on Linux is great. Developers want one thing: users/money, and the only way to get that is by making their games easily available. EAC and BattlEye are now useable on Linux if developers implement them. If big games like apex and Fortnite don't make it work, they are missing users.
@gilkesisking It's not wise to trust corporations, even ones with no obvious blemishes on their records. While I can see the usability potential of SteamOS, I doubt that people would trust Valve enough to use it
About those safeguards and additional "blocking" warning windows, that power users might not want: It's simple really. Two modes: One for the users that want those warnings, because it prevents them from easily nuking their system, and want to be asked again literally if they want to go on. And a mode for power users, that just don't want to see anything that blocks them from doing stuff with warning windows. Often it's not all that hard to resolve a conflict.
it is important to note that nvidia doesnt use the standard api, as well as not providing developer documentation for how to interface with their gpus, cuda is pretty black box "proprietary"
But no one is gonna talk about the back doors built into all x86 architecture CPUS………. Nvidia makes good cards, and I shall buy said cards from MSI until it isn’t worth it
I hope this becomes a every 2 year challenge. I like to tinker and have been impressed with the new versions of linux but I think the LTT series did open some devs eyes to real people issues. Some devs like to say it works fine on my machine and gas light the bug victims.
@@jantjepietjepol actually they can have different people try them. So O.G team would be doing it every four years instead of two and have other people provide their perspective. Also I try Linux every threeish years so I do about the same. Also typing in commands into a CLI should be normalized. Computer literacy should be a thing we promote.
@UCO55cXKC8Js80geuJK1gJaQ Alright, I'll phrase it like this instead: If 100% of VSTs that works on Mac and Windows can be *easily* installed on a Linux distributor, and can be done "easier" than now, great. Unfortunately, my IQ is *0,*, and I don't want to spend all day tearing my eyes into millions lines of code, and am not open minded enough to adapt and bother. The change is just too much, so yes, I really have no idea. I'm sure I'll probably change my mind a few years from now, attempt to successfully install Manjaro, and regret the verbal diarrhoea I'm spewing right now on RU-vid. (Sorry if I haven't replied to the right person, I can't tell, RU-vid looks a bit glitchy today for me).
@@qmillomadeit Is there any issue with audio latency with that setup? I want to make the switch also but don't want to learn/buy a new DAW or worry about none of my plugins working lol.
IT admin here - I can't even get people to shut down their Windows laptops properly at the end of the work day. I like Linux, but it may as well be alien black magic to your average computer user. They are just not interested in learning how to use an OS at all.
I love this. I've been using Linux since way back in late 90's or so. I started with an off-the-shelf copy of SuSe I saw at Best Buy. I think it was 4.3? I know that to use the router I had, I had to download a driver, compile it, choose kernel options, then recompile the kernel for 30 minutes or so, and then see if it worked. Took me a LOT of time to get everything working. I enjoyed the challenge, it was fun for a while, and I got burned out after many iterations of breaking my system just trying to install something, etc. I got back into it with Mandrake, then Red Hat, then Ubuntu, and I've settled into Mint. It's just EASY. I've never broken it, I rarely even need the shell anyway (although I constantly screw around in it, especially for tinker ssh and ide stuffs) and Steam works perfectly for games now. I no longer need Windows at all. It was awesome to wipe it off my system finally last year :) But yeah, the never ending snobbery of the linux community is really offputting. I love linux and am glad it's available and donate to the distros since I'm not a coder. However, it's no excuse for the elitism that turns off the newbies in most of the forums. I do what I can to help from my years of trial and error to try and keep them above water when I see the jerks appear, but sometimes I just don't know how to help and it sux. But, some distros are getting closer and closer to a nearly UI is all you need environment. Steam OS is a good example. We just might get there!
@@mul7522 I disagree consider if it wasn’t Linux it was your agerage everyday joe if my grandma got that pop up she probably would know what it meant but she would probably just say “y” and then she be like my computer broken. Like you can blame the user all you want but if you don’t make it clear I would say it’s more a designers fault
ah yes, the completely and extremely niche and deeply underground hobby of playing videogames where devs write a compatibility layer for UN*X-like operating machines just so they can play them: all doing it for free and making their machines more prone to viruses and spying (really gotta love the irony of people switching to linux to escape microsofts "muh spyware" OS just to install propriety programs like discord and run any game that can profile their system (i.e, any unity game))
i mean the thing is for the Linux userbase its kinda niche. Fedora is installed on computers in my university, but you are not gonna play video games on that anyway. Its probably not the first problem they have in mind.
Loved the video and its well said.... I have used Linux in the past some on older laptops, but some how listening to you be real about the state of Linux makes me want to daily it on my laptop that I use for work and some like gaming off Steam. Worst case I go back to Windows and we all know windows works best when its a clean install. Thanks for the weird push.
I tried Linux, more specifically Linux Mint after the first Daily Driver Challenge came out, and I have to say that I'm quite thankful for LTT for making the series. I honestly would have never even cared about Linux if it weren't for them. Frankly, I'm having quite a good experience with it, though it could be that I have had some experience with other distros built on Debian in the past.
When I was a teenager, back during my DOS 6.2 days, I would have loved something like Linux to play with. Now, in my 40s, after a day at work testing other people's code, I just want shit to work with minimum effort. This might explain why I own a Nintendo Switch, and my gaming PC is mostly used for older games, indie games, and watching RU-vid videos.
exactly... there's only so much tweaking and manual labor when it just becomes a hassle the entire thing... I find myself using Windows EXE's inside of Wine most of the time, because they just work better, no hassle... it's embarassing when you consider most DOS apps back in the day had User Interfaces, I can't understand why linux apps have to mostly work from command line, that's just bull
@@cosmic_gate476 Also about "professionals in the field" (being a freelancer myself, and the absurd amount of stress it brings) I get the impression that most of these Linux volunteers are in a deep state of denial, providing FREE LABOR for this bullshit concept "open source", when they could be using all that time to work in themselves or go sell their expertise for companies. I strongly believe that they do not only hurt themselves doing that, they hurt the entire market of competent programmers out there who have to (unfairly) compete with FREE LABOR. How insane is that.
I would love to use linux, but it needs to be an out-of-the-box style experience. I don't wanna have to go through a struggle to get on par with windows with the ability to go farther.
reason why I recommend MX-Linux as 1st choice maybe Linux Mint is a close 2nd, but I haven't used that one yet, so I don't know Manjaro is great too for "out of the box" experience, but some basic essential things like OBS for example will have issues, for whatever reason I could not figure out
@@FeelingShred Mint is dogshit I made the grave mistake to install it recently and if you need more than what it comes with you can hotkey the chattr cmd...
@Prince Cooper In the half-broken state it is, maybe that's exactly what Linux needs to finally get some decent rework. Let that crap implode into the ground. Instead of slow decline, let's accelerate this shit. Shock. It's a powerful force, sometimes needed.
I am recovering Windows convert which just went to Fedora 38 with minimal issues. But I am not new to Linux. Have been testing it for a few years now. I am thankful for a soft landing experience.
The biggest problem with Linux in general is the small problems that make it feel rough around the edges. Many apps have visual and functional glitches that are small enough or too platform-specific to be fixed by the community but significant enough to grind my gears. Sometimes, there is a parameter you have to change or a dependency to install, but honestly, when firefox has issues rendering the graphics of some webpages, i can't be bothered to spend my time to fix this little problem. Example: At least under KDE, there are a lot of problems with apps taking priority over processing power. Quite often, a random notification or a message from a background application freezes the entire computer for 0.1 seconds, even with a strong computer in the best-case scenario.
I'm 52 years old and frankly I can't be bothered having any more headaches, especially deliberately exposing myself to a new non polished O.S....like everyone says, it's got to work out of the box, life is difficult enough already without adding extra hassles.
My Linux gaming experience: 1. Installed it. 2. Searched for graphical drivers online via a different system since Linux couldn't find the proper ones. 3. Rebooted system with GUI. 4. Got pop-up that there are updated packages available. Clicked on it, rebooted the system. 5. Got shell only, found out the "updated" driver literally didn't function. 6. Uninstalled Linux and went back to W7. I like Linux for servers, but I stay far away from it at home because of how poorly integrated the general user experience is.
The hardest part of Linux for me has always been figuring out how tf to install what I want. Like finding the exact name typically, or something older or only on a particular distro.
when typing the package name try pressing tab 1 or 2 times, maybe it should autocomplete the package name. Atleast this works in arch linux (I really don't remember package names)
Usually you can look up something like “How to install *package name* for *distro*” and there usually be that distro WIKI page. I hope you consider using Linux again!
Why? I find that harder on windows where I need to dwell for exe files in the internet to download what I want. In linux I just search it in the package manager.
you can just query the package you want. For example in void linux you would do 'sudo xbps-query -Rs ...' R is the flag for repository and s is the flag for searching
"If you're gonna design software it has to basically work." I don't know why but I laughed so hard at that. I swear most software developers just don't think from the stand point of a consumer and it actually makes me mad. thank you for your technical vids btw.
To be fair its really hard and these people don't have a large r&d team or any at all in some cases. They are sometimes just amazed that its working at all
Yeah... "Thinking from the point of view of the consumer" means thinking of every possible weird edge case and a way to handle it. Its an iterative process.
I feel like I'm gonna get eaten with passive-aggressive words and insults when I switched and ask the Linux community for help whenever something happens. My interest went down after Linus' videos, but I'm still interested to see how it goes with Steam Deck
Some distros seem worse than others, but even on the best distros there's always that one asshole. If you've ever gone to the steam forums for help with a mod, its the same thing.
It's funny looking back at these videos and the way they describe Linux, as it has made a huge jump in terms of gaming support and other such features.
I think what linux needs is a package that has proper support and ease of use that people can very very very easily get into. Yes i get it, terminal is robust and cool but there needs to be a graphical interface version of it if more people are gonna get into it
Linux wasn't made to be easy to use, it was made to be rocksolid and efficient. Which in itself isn't a problem at all, the problem arise when they try to tack on userfriendliness as an afterthought. There are great linux distros, and I use em for several specialized things. But everytime I have to reimage or rework something, it's a PITA.
I totally agree with you. We often tend to forget that not all people are the same, what works for you does not nescessarily mean it will for for others. Faulting someone just because it did not work for them is just wrong. Making Linux more accessible to average person would help a lot in making the transition from Windows/Mac to Linux painless.
@@tumamaencosplay If you think about, all avid Linux user were software enthusiast which day to day dealing with lots of code. Which explain ALL thing considered
Hey man, OS specialist here starting in the Atari ST days moving through Linux, BSDi, IRIX, Solaris, and funny enough Microsoft made me learn Windows and paid for it because they wanted an on-site Solaris guy at a place. Love OSes they all have their place whatever gets the job done but there's a special place in my heart for Linux (virtualization had a special place there too--but that's another story). Just wanted to say..... Nice. RU-vid needs more videos like this in general. Just wanted to say... Nice.
Your channel, your vibes, your vocabulary, pace. You're the most likeable Linux content creator i've come across thus far, im a linux noob, the other guys are nice guys and generally not that cringy, but i think you're the channel i should stick with, at least in these early days of my Linux carreer.
I used Linux for sometime (I was distro hopping most of the time) and honestly, I think it's pretty cool. Like if I don't want to game or want to focus on study, I would usually install a Linux distro on my 7 year old laptop and go on with the life. I just love the fact that in the end of day, it's YOU using your OS, not vice versa
I've used Windows 10 for a long time and don't recall ever seeing a BSOD. There's nothing about Windows that bothers me enough to make me wanna jump over to Linux. If Linux ever becomes a works-out-of-the-box option, then I'll consider.
Same. I'm currently having no issues with Windows 10 right now and the Windows update doesn't bother me as much anymore but if Linux finally fixes it's compatibility issues then I also might consider it as my primary OS in the future.
I have had one BSOD on Windows 10, and that was because I was messing with stuff that I really shouldn't have been. I have had a few GSODs (from Insider builds) on Windows 11, but my computer isn't technically compatible with Win11, so it's hardly Microsoft's fault.
Windows 7 god tier. Windows 10.... Alot like Visa. It took along time to become stable, but I still habe major issues with it and would much rather be back on 7 if nothing more then just how much faster and less restrictive 7 was over 10. I get BSOD every day from updated win10 i use on desktop, none on my *cough* augmented *cough* win10 I use on my laptop. Its still nothing like 7 though. Using windows since WinME that ate my hdd to force me on XP (thankgoodness).
Lats BSOD for me was failed overclock. Totally agree with you. Windows is more than stable enough. Instability is not really an argument against it anymore imo
I love watching a Linux fan, who at the same time is very down to earth about his favorite OS. This is a very rare thing. Great video. Worthwhile to watch for anyone hesitant to take the Linux plunge.
Something that a lot of people don’t seem to get is that most programs tell you what to type in the terminals anyway. Now I’m not saying to just type in any command you see, but check them and usually a quick “is this safe” is enough. If the program looks sketchy, don’t download it. It’s probably not worth it. Always be safe.
Man, I'd love to get the privacy and control that Linux offers, but FFS the community is fucking toxic and some critical things either don't run or they just don't work properly. I've given it a lot of chances but sadly...
Every time I see people explain Linux, all I see is that this is now a hobby/part time job/lifestyle. I don't want to spend hours or months experimenting with how to operate it. I just want to click things and have them do it. No command lines, just work. And why so many variations? Can't we settle on one or how many ego's got crushed they started another one?
terminal commands aren't code though. you clicking on a program = typing the name of the program on the keyboard. some people find it easier. the computer is still doing all the work for you. i agree with you on the variations part. that's why i always try to use the base distro, like arch or debian. "debian-based" or "arch-based" just means more problems added on top of another.
from what i know one of the packages it was trying to install was outdated and not compatible with the packages in the system. So in it's attempt to fix the compatibility it decided the only way to make the package work was delete the packages shown in that warning. the popos devs fixed this shortly after by not letting the os delete stuff like that anymore though they left a way to remove this block where newbies wouldn't find it.
@gilkesisking Shouldn't the OS understand that the repo you're trying to use isn't meant for that particular OS and make it abundantly clear with big bright bold warnings that this isn't going to work? The fact they fixed this proves it was broken and shouldn't have been able to be done as easily as it was.
I work in IT and I have always been turned off by Linux for my home pc, because I just want a system that is 'turn key, and go'. I don't want to mess around with my home system after doing that all day at work, and no distro I've looked into can give me that experience.
I went through a Linux/Windows back and forth phase all summer and basically lost all interest in linux due to that. I literally wasted my summer away fooling with Linux, wiping it, reinstalling windows, and distributing hopping. It was a complete mess and the only thing I realized was I just wanted a system to work… so I’m back on windows with no regrets. I love and will always support FOSS, but I can’t daily drive linux because when I need to get shit done, I can only do most of it on windows .
Here's something people take for granted on windows. For 99% of users on windows you never have to use CMD to do anything on it, anything. You can do everything with your mouse and the occasional typing. On Linux no matter what or who you are, you will encounter the terminal to do some random bullshit. I'm other words, as long as you have eyes, you can intuitively do anything on windows without requiring any user knowledge or investigation since that's kind of the whole point of a good UI/UX. On Linux no matter what distro you use, that's not the case. I challenge Linux users to never touch the terminal, no cheating or anything, it's impossible
I was legit shocked when Linus got that printer working. Ive gone through fucking shit getting printers to work on Windows. I was expecting a struggle.
The beauty of Linux is that if something is supported, it’s driver is in the kernel, so it just works out of the box. The only thing you really have to install drivers for is nvidia graphics cards and some wifi modules.
I almost cried getting my printer to work on both Windows and iOS because it was 1am and the assignment was due next day Booted linux on my laptop, connected and printed in less than 30 seconds… idk how they do it
IMO I think Linus's biggest problem is that he wanted to use Windows programs on Linux, which of course would have issues, instead of using a comparable program specifically for Linux
I run Mint as an alternate for days when I have specific things I want to do. Where Linux excels, is in 'general computer stuff' and for working with servers and certain development resources. It tends to fall apart horribly on entertainment related tasks. There's no one reason for that, and for most people, being told 'go ask on a forum lol' when they can't figure out something EXTREMELY basic because the OS likes to be obtuse, is enough to turn them away. It also really harms linux to have so many different distros with different compatablities and different repos in play.
It's not really the operating system's fault though. You can't expect Linux to ever completely replace Windows, especially considering that game developers refuse to enable anticheat even if supported by the companies that provide it. By LTT's standard gaming on Linux will never be "ready". Even if all devs enabled anticheat you still can't expect compatibility layers to always be on par with the original. Gaming on Linux (or anything wine related) will always be a cat and mouse situation. For every 100 games that work there will always be one that never will.
There definitely are more issues in Linux when it comes to gaming of course, but they don't always work out on Windows either. My experiences with gaming on Windows have been a lot of troubleshooting and even system configuring at times to the point I just don't play PC games much anymore as they are by far the hardest thing to get running properly. I think it's because there are just so many variables that it's impossible for developers of both games and OSes to take them into account and people just end up running into a wall because they just so happen to have some combo a game doesn't run with. As an example: We'll say one game requires some graphics package thing and you install it with the game. Well, maybe that graphics thing conflicts with another game and you can't have it running because the game won't work right. But you'd often never know that unless you look it up. So let's say you do, then you have to disable that thing to get the other game to run and re-enable it when you want to play the other game. Meaning you'd either have to make a list of system tweaks you need to do and change them for each affected game when you want to play them (assuming installing other things doesn't cause new conflicts in the future) or have it all memorized somehow. There are also times when Windows decides to automatically update something which ends up breaking your setups and you have to figure out how to fix it or times that nothing you do can get something to work and there are no known solutions. So I think PC gaming in general isn't a good reason to pick one or the other as no matter what OS you pick, you will come across issues eventually.
Do you mean Linux devs or game devs? Because I think a big problem with porting anti-cheat to Linux is that often it requires programs to have access to the rest of the system which is insecure and not allowed on Linux. Or do you mean games that don’t allow you to run them in wine or a vm.
My advice to people who are torn between Linux and Windows would be to get a nice 2TB SSD and just dual boot. As a development environment I think Linux is far superior to Windows, but when it comes to software compatibility Windows is the clear winner. If you set the GRUB bootloader to be the default bootloader in your BIOS, you can choose to boot into either partition when your systems starts and you don't have to keep messing with BIOS to change OSes. This is assuming you're ok with running Windows natively, of course.
@@Tonatsi In the 15 years I have dual boot, Windows newer tried to partition any Linux distro. Sure you cant use all the fancy boot options Windows provides but it is at least as safe as having a VM.
APT did somewhat fix this, they added color to the package manager, so if you see "this will remove your desktop" in red letters it would be kinda frightening. there is also a default behaviour of the linux terminal that allows program makers to make text flash, they could make some words flash red, which would be scary
This is a developer level problem. And a management problem. The executives of the companies who make the hardware do not care enough to properly execute a distribution of linux drivers that work 1:1 with windows drivers.
Its kind of a joke that the first thing that gets ported to a hacked device is Linux (and Doom). With that said I don't think Linux will ever be main stream
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 The thing that annoys me is when people have "Can it run Doom", then make a rudimentary fps for a device with weak hardware, and say it's running Doom. Unless it's the Shareware or Full version of Doom, they shouldn't be saying "X can run Doom" or "Doom running on X"
Many problems about Linux is caused by the lack of official support from manufactures or developers. Linux is easy to install and maintain, but the lack of support from everyone for everything makes that almost everything doesn't really work that well and granted there is a lot that the Linux community can do to improve usability, and there is of course the fact there is literally a fucking tsunami of changes happening right now on the Linux desktop with Wayland, Flatpaks, PipeWire and so on but all the effort in those fronts and of course all the endeavor put in easy of use out of the box is useless unless there is official support from manufactures and software developers but this don't happen because there isn't enough users and then there isn't enough users cause there is no support and this vicious cycle goes on.
This. I happily used many distros for fun, for tinkering, for work, and for creativity. And i would happily keep using Ubuntu Studio on my new laptop that is "compatible" with linux, according to documentation, but lacks Suspend capability because it was replaced by ModernStandby by AMD. And in a laptop, being able to just close it, put it in a backpack, and open it somewhere else without apps being closed or the battery being completely drained, is crucial.
It's a vicious cycle unfortunately. Manufacturers/developers don't want to put effort into Linux support because the userbase is small, and the userbase is small(at least one reason why) because there's less support from manufacturers/developers. We're in a spot where we already have 2 operating systems that the general population is familiar and comfortable with, and the average person doesn't care about what's running under the hood of their computer. They just want it to work with the applications/peripherals they have with not much hassle.
People either forget or ignore MS's continual involvement with PRISM. Kinda sad to see how when I was younger, people took privacy more serious, whereas today people just don't care.
This is where containers offer a good way out. If Steam had been containerized, then it could have done anything it needed to do to set up its running environment. This totally solves the general problem of package incompatibilities.
I can't clap hard enough for this. There's a reason there's a field such as UI/UX, because it doesn't matter how much control you give the user, if it's super unintuitive for your general every day Joe it's not gonna catch on. Yes people can Google commands, but when Janice from accounting needs to get her docs printed out, letting the OS handle things with the printer's drivers when you plug it in is a lot more convenient than having to sudo and apt-get your way to it via terminal.
Yeah this people don’t like messing with command prompt like i once had command prompt open and my mum thought I was hacking into the government even tho all I was doing was fucking checking my IP address
So what, why shouldn't Janice search how to install printer support on Linux [distro]? People need to stop cryinf about linux being hard. No it's not hard and yes it's a new OS, you're going to need to use a bit more than 5 seconds of your lousy attention-span!
i mean, you _dont_ have to install printer drivers on ubuntu, it automatically detects any printer connected to it via usb OR any printer on lan, so your example is incorrect :)
Learning Linux needs some time, but Mint is pretty noob-friendly. So here I am, running Mint for almost 2 years now and the only person in the house able to use the network-printer :)
Any other Linux noobs here who want to share what they are using? I will definitely not change my decision, because I love how it works. But for people willing to try, there should be more than one good option.
Im a little confused here - for basic tasks, its not really any harder to use than Windows, if not a little easier. For the average person, it takes not that long on something like Mint to download an application from the software store, etc. A lot of the issues with Linux are “how do I do Windows things on Linux” or run applications only available on Windows / MacOS. I dont know how to use the terminal in Linux, i’ve never used it to install and update applications, thats what the software manager / store is for. I don’t think theres much wrong with Linux as an OS, I use Windows more than anything because I have to, not because I actively enjoy using it. The biggest issue with Linux is software support at the moment. Things like Proton and Wine wont ever fix actually being well supported. The average user shouldn’t have to do kind of hacky fixes in the terminal in order to run Windows software that involve deleting essential packages.
I'm feeling ungodly amounts of grief due to not being able to use Linux as a main OS. Other than being much better than Windows for work stuff imo I think it's also a great way to upgrade your computer knowledge just by having to solve the issues that pop up. Since about 60% of stuff I do on my PC is game related I will have to settle for a craptop with Debian on it, this seems to me like the best solution atm.
I just went Linux on my PC and every single game worked out of the box, including those from epic installed using lutris (not genshin though, it would not detect free space on my hdd) To this day I wonder what kind of black magic i do for everything to work with minimal effort and never break
@@arthurbttf Idk if this was your point, but there's also the possibility that it _normally_ works smoothly, and people just complain louder than they appreciate.
" Other than being much better than Windows for work stuff imo I think it's also a great way to upgrade your computer knowledge just by having to solve the issues that pop up." So.. buying a weird car that has some serious drivability problems is a great way to learn to work on cars? Sounds like developer logic.
Personally i have been dual booting, linux for most of my computing, and windows, usually just for games. Seems like an easy solution for the time being.
This is what I want to do. Use Linux for most things but when I want to play apex with my friends or something then switch back to windows. I just have no clue wtf to do. I also don't have any time to sit around screwing with computers anymore.
@@binns5302 there're nice tutorials on dual booting Linux. I recommend having the OS's on diferent drives if you can. You can always flash a Linux distro into a USB stick and run the demo version on it, so you can try diferent distros, virtual machines work well for that too.
A gpu passthrough vm for singleplayer games only is also a good add on. Dual booting makes sense for multiplayer games that might take a few hours but a simple singleplayer game should be easily accessible without a complete restart
@@D00000T i get it, but I think it's simpler to dualboot. I keep all the games in one place, I don't need 2 windows instalation for gaming on my computer, I don't need to split my pc's resources and my pc restarts in the few seconds anyway.
That was kinda based yeah, but even giving Hasan a computer basically confirms him as an e-celeb. Which he doesnt deserve because hes brainless and talentless. Not to mention his politics are high school tier, babbies first venture into politics stuff. He hasnt read a book in his life yet somehow hes convinced people he is knowledgable because he reads more mainstream media articles than the average person and spends the rest of his time on Twitter following the same journalists. "the government should pay for everything, maaaaaaan, give the government ultimate power, maaaaaaan... by the way, the government is racist and evil." Remember when he said "guys! I donate to charities... I just dont talk about it!" When his mansion thing came out? That was funny. My guy Pewdiepie still lives in an apartment but Hasan buys a huge mansion bigger than Elon Musks with his first few mil. Truly an anti-capitalist.
RU-vid should just cap how many comments a channel can post per day so these fucking bots don't overrun comments sections spamming over 100 comments on 50 different videos
@@martymcfly88mph35 you know they both had a laugh about it right and that it was done in good faith? Plus linus has a lot more socialist beliefs then your weird ass seems to think.
@@lazydj nah, Linus is just a typical Canadian non-partisan. Hes a small business owner that does really well for himself. If you think he would support the small business destroying stuff that Hasan supports, you're nuts. The covid lockdowns that Hasan vehemently supported would've seriously hurt Linus' company. For people like Hasan, that can work from home safely, its sure easy to take the mainstream media position and say "lock down the world! Covid cases are up, peons! Just buy stuff from Amazon and takeout food, all non-essential citizens stay home!" But for many people, staying home isnt an option. This guy that thinks hes a champion of workers rights somehow is actually the biggest corporate mouthpiece out there, supporting policies that caused over 50% of small businesses to close up for good in certain areas. And people that wanted to instead concentrate on keeping the high risk people safe, his types condemned as kooks, instead thinking shutting down the global economy was a more sane and rational idea. That's just one example of Hasan being a complete hypocrite dummy and not thinking through his positions and how they actually play out and effect people, that's why I think hes especially egregiously dumb. I dont have a problem with lefties at all, only idiots that have no principles and dont think through their positions.
The biggest issue for linux is the ease of breaking your os without it being able to "self repair." I've had issues from it somehow corrupting hdd during shutdown and spending hours learning how to use fsck all the way to random drivers just borking themselves during normal use. Not going to say these don't happen on MacOs or Windows (had similar issues on both) but the ease of fixing them is night and day generally speaking.
You can 'self' repair a linux install if you know how to do it. Just don't do shit that might break your system without taking the necessary steps to restore said install. The OS is not going to hold you're hand in anyway so If you don't know what you are doing, don't do it. Fixing stuff in any linux distro is very damn easy with no need of proprietary software
@@l30n.marin3r0 "The OS is not going to hold you're hand in anyway so If you don't know what you are doing, don't do it." I am following you advice. Never used linux, so clearly I have no idea how to install it, so I don't install it and stick with Windows. I use an OS to do my hobby, the OS isn't my hobby. If you like fucking around in a command line interface to keep your computer working as a hobby that's fine. But it's not for me. Besides Windows is soo much better because you have the restore function, those nerds developing linux could never make something like that (let's see if the old trick still works)
Oh, yeah, I also use Foliate for reading books xD All of the software that I mentioned is free and get regular updates, or you can just learn to code yourself to contribute and not feel like such a parasite
@@l30n.marin3r0 or you can just learn to fabricate silicon wafers, design your own cpu architecture, drivers, kernel, and desktop environment from the ground up and do it all yourself. but news flash, most people will never learn how to code. most people don't care about linux because it feels like a hassle to set up to them. do you want those people to use linux or not? if not, then use arch or gentoo and do your own thing, but please don't waste your own time you could spend time to "just learn to code yourself to contribute and not feel like such a parasite"
nope 100% wrong, the right way to install things in linux (now that you actually can anyway, you used to not be able to) or any operating system, is the way that avoids the command line interface. the average user should NEVER have to interact with the terminal, thats an "advanced user" level thing that can destroy your system if you do things wrong, or follow the wrong instructions.
Don't gui package managers just run the terminal install command in the background when you click install anyway? It should have the same effect as using the terminal then
@@hosytaa_1449 sometimes yes, sometimes no, sometimes installer files are just fancy zip directories that extract the contents into the folder of your choice after cicking next a few times on a fancy gui, other times yeah, it can just be doing an automated version of what you woul be typing in terminal, if yes, then they are USUALLY also admin privilege protected, meaning not just any user can use it, only the admin (sudo on ubuntu variants) user can use those kinds of files, which you would have to log into if you were using your computer correctly (no one needs to be running their admin account as their main account. its just bad opsec) also not to mention typos being so common its not even funny, a single typo in terminal can be seriously bad news.
@@stapuft you dont need to run your admin account as your main account at all, you can use sudo even on an account that doesnt have admin privalleges, sudo simply calls the root to download it, meaning that again, an account without admin can operate perfectly fine, and i have literally no clue how a single typo could be bad news "oh shit, i tried downloading discord on my ubuntu system, and accidently wrote sudo apt remove xorg and deleted my gui, well normal day"
@@hosytaa_1449 you haven't watched any of the ltt videos about this did you? both of em made simple typo mistakes that caused them HOURS of headaches, one of them kept making those same mistakes repeatedly.
My 66 year old mother has been using Linux for over 10 years now. She would have issues with computers regardless of OS. So it might as well be Linux, which makes handling Updates and security much easier.
I've said this several times and I'll say it again: The best Linux distributions for beginner and all users are: Linux Mint, Zorin Linux, Ubuntu Linux, MX Linux and a few others - PopOS isn't bad either but I would rather stick with the Linux distributions that have been around for a decade or more. I'm an intermediate level Linux user and I mostly use Linux Mint (heavily customised though) because Linux Mint is very stable and reliable as well as easy to use (speeds up my time doing things). I use the command line in Linux Mint, too. However I make sure that I spend a few minutes reading whatever appears on my screen to save me hours of a headache trying to fix things. What happened to Linus is all the fault of PopOS and not Linux itself - people are getting it all confused and that kinda annoys me. I personally find Linux Mint gets in my way a lot less than Windows does (I see Windows as a secondary OS now and will only use it when I really have to). PopOS isn't half a decade old yet, so you're likely to walk into problems occasionally with such a young distribution, but Linux Mint, Zorin, Ubuntu and MX Linux are mature enough to have stamped out most bugs, so users won't experience problems. I always suggest Linux Mint, Ubuntu or Zorin to new users and if they want to try something more unique then PopOS may be a nice option for them, but beginner users want a friendly, familiar experience that doesn't give them a headache or anxiety. I started out with Ubuntu, but eventually grew attached to using Linux Mint and I don't think I'll ever ditch Linux Mint for another distribution permanently. It's not just about beginner friendly, it's also about stability and reliability and all the distributions I mentioned offer that, but PopOS clearly isn't entirely stable just yet or that problem Linus experienced wouldn't have happened. It's just logic and common sense.
I would honestly say the best distributions of linux for new users would be anything with a built in installer and live environment. It allows people to get the general feel before making the commitment. While I use the command line occasionally, I usually go to the repository to see what file I'm after and what dependencies it has. Otherwise, I only run the command to update my system.
and that's another problem within the linux community: you can't just "try what distro catches your eye." you HAVE to use x and y distro "or else you arent doing it right!!!111! you arent getting the best experience with that distro!!!111!!!!11...even tho its based off one another". it's really a shame, the illusion of choice when only half of them work for the average user, who is more important than the basement dwellers that are the "life long linux users". there isnt much of a choice when you have to choose which works now is there
@@apoorvwatsky Manjaro is nice but it's for users who have used Linux Mint, Zorin or MX Linux for a few years who want dip their feet into the world of Arch Linux. I like Manjaro, but the rolling release structure makes you spend more time updating the system than using it. I update once or twice a month on Linux Mint and the updates speed through in less than 45 minutes. I've considered using Manjaro myself, although I've heard of people accidentally breaking their install because of random things.
