Linux Distros I CAN'T Stand! 

I would suggest the problem is youtube administration, less likely to be some sort of conspiracy politics. Check - Did Steve Bannon make any of those posts? Did they mention Jewish Space lasers? Software by Hugo Chavez? Don't bail out after 2 days - have a closer look in a week. If you had a million + followers, like Linus tech, then maybe. You have 441 subscribers, at the time of writing. I have about 40. I would suggest we're way too small to matter. It's just youtube being clumsy, that's all.

I think your claims on SteamOS are personally stupid because SteamOS is a console and needs your authentication to verify your games belong to you, also SteamOS isn’t a desktop OS it’s made specifically for the steam deck

@@thatoneocto what authentication? Logging in to steam? You can load non steam games with any authentication...

*without

@@squidbeard492 I mean...it doesn't really looks like an actual computer OS. It reminds me more of downloading PlayStation or Xbox OS but onto your computer. If you want to download your own stuff like you would do on any other OS if feel like you're misinterpreting Its purpose...

tru bro

@@eintga key phrase is "out of the box" its a computer you can put whatever you want on it, its not restricting you from that

​@@eintga It's not limiting in any way out of the box. You just boot from usb stick and install any operating system you want and can. It has goddamn linux drivers for chissakes, it even has Windows drivers, what more can you possibly ask to be finally satisfied? FSF approved distro out of the box along with librebooted firmware? Well it never hurts to dream about it I suppose Such a strange take

Playing steam games isn't the only thing a steam deck can do, you can play games on console emulators(one major reason why people buy steam decks) such as pcsx2 and even switch emulation with ryujinx and you can play games from other game launchers like gog and epic games.

Well, that's cause it was one of the main targets of valve, making a console that can be used by random people that barely even know what an os it, and guess what is friendly for them? yes, a simple login screen to then get access to the shit in their accounts. And it makes such a big point about how the deck is flawed cause of the os when you can just install another os on it (and yes, you can do it just fine without even logging in, just hold down the volume down button while booting it up, no idea why he had to blatably lie about it). But hey that's the loud minority of linux users that have to shit on everyone and each other for the sake of "my choice is better than yours".

Yeah, people who care know how to install Linux, people who don't care won't care about logging in.

Also: you need a steam account to even buy a steamdeck

That's exactly what it is. The deck's purpose is not to be a portable PC; that's a side effect. Instead it's to get console gamers to come over to PC (and to do it via Linux). Most consoles these days are locked down PCs with exclusives. Valve wants to change that and at the same time, it wants to prevent MS from gaining a monopoly on PC games through alternatives to Steam, Epic launcher, etc

And this is why, despite using Arch on all my laptops and desktops, I still bought a SteamDeck. It's not like Valve doesn't collect analytics and tracking every time you open Steam anyway. The only thing I'd be curious about is after you login to Steam and switch to Desktop mode, when Steam is closed, are there any packages that are still collecting information in the core of the OS?

It has a desktop mode fully capable. I don't know how many ppl will actually use it, but you may.

At the very least your cc could be linked to your steam account.

Your even "only" gaming activities can tell so much about you, your life, your work, your family etc. Telemetry utself is not something evil, nor a good - it's just a software instrument. One of many. But anything that keep continue telemetry on you even after telling it "NO" Is a direct threat to your life - that's how you should react tp it correctly.

As soon as I get one I'm reinstalling it with arch gnome or something

@@user-cq5sn5hq4m They're an online game shop. It would be really dumb as a company, especially one like Valve, to not take some amount of data to know what players like or don't in order to adjust your sales. The customer is important, sure but I'm pretty sure that most of what we have today wouldn't exist if all the customer's needs were fulfilled(because they're a lot of times in opposition with the company's). Compromises are a thing and it just depends how much you are willing to give. Wanting a 100% of the pie just isn't possible in our current system.

That and to even buy one atm you have to log in to steam and buy it through your account. That allows tracking also. You can't pick and choose, either you want to avoid all tracking or you don't.

@@Firecul opt out telemetry is everywhere avoiding it is like avoiding seeing the light of the sun outside your house if you used qubes os (world safest os) your data will still be sold idc about my data as long as they give me good os and experience i use linux because of performens and customization and stablity, security isnt that of an issue use a vpn you wont get doxxed or tracked easily or use tor or a proxy or use a well known anti virus

@@Firecul in that case use cash, otherwise there is always a trail.

@@Firecul >has internet connection >thinks it avoids tracking The fact a thing has IP or mac address means you are being tracked.

Steam deck telemetry is also steam telemetry. I guess the guy has steam installed, given he considered buying steamdeck?

bro cant stand to do something manually to get useless update such a shame

@@mastermindcat you need to touch some grass

@@MrVecheater BRO WHY I HAD TO TOUCH GRASS MANUALLY TO GET FEELING OF GRASS?????

did you even watch the video

Yeah, but you could alse use OpenSUSE Leap and Ubuntu LTS for stability with a little modern life, or just OpenSUSE Leap if you don't like Ubuntu. Alternative would be Redhat semi-clones: CentOS, AlmaLinux, and Rocky, which relies on point-release for security updates.

exactly

Yuuup

I had no issue using fedora except for my hardware which was a random windows tablet. It even has or had cinnamon DE as a spin. That's what mint has as its default. Dunno. I personally like plasma and xfce with a little customization. Cinnamon is good too. And they all run on debian.

Did you do any work on DANOS? What do you think of ATT switching out cisco for black box routers.

Cinnamon DE is still lacking proper VRR support, making games stuttery if you can't hold a rock solid FPS target equivalent to your monitor's refresh rate. Maybe when Cinnamon DE gets it's Wayland support out of alpha, then I can recommend it. But even then, just install the Fedora Cinnamon DE spin rather than Linux Mint, it's packages are more recent.

Same here. Arch is a bitch, but a very informative bitch.

Nah, with Arch you just follow instructions. You still learn something, but you mainly just follow instructions. If you want to truly learn you have to start tinkering.

@@wheezybackports6444 the time-tested technique for learning programming is to copy other people's code, verbatim, by hand. That's exactly what you're doing when you "just follow instructions", unless you copy+paste everything like a cuck.

@@wheezybackports6444 But at least Arch Wiki can push you to tinker more. Everything must start at some point anyway. When learning stuffs, you need to observe (seeing videos), then imitate (follow instructions), then learn and reflect (understand what happens).

Dont assume most people have that spare time, when I was a student I didn't use arch because I needed to do research on my computer not research my computer. For most people tech is a means to and end, not and means to a means to a means to a rabbit hole

"Fedora, one of the buggiest most duct taped together distro out there" How/why?

@@ps5hasnogames55 and after a year we have the new dnf5.

​@@ps5hasnogames55 DNF works better than the godawful PPA system in Debian/Ubuntu and the AUR in Arch, that's for certain. Arch just seems redundant now when Gentoo now ships binaries. Why even bother with Arch when most stuff is on the AUR, where you have to install a helper manually through the terminal yourself, and when you have to compile most things anyways?

debian is really a really good one it's pretty old i get that, but it's updated so it's good edit: it's ok if u don't like it, it's something to build upon, but it's still really good in my eyes, also i edited the message a bit because it isn't THAT much of a masterpiece lmao

You couldn’t be more wrong about Fedora.

Having Steam on your computer is not remotely the same as Valve creating your operating system. Valve does sell personal information and this is better mitigated by not using a platformed owned by Valve. It still doesn't change the fact Valve refuses to let users change anything about the root filesystem, opposed to Fedora Silverblue, SUSE's MicroOS, or NixOS, users can make such changes with some concerted effort.

@@Trafotin They kinda had to do it this way. I mean it's not a device targeted towards Linux enthusiasts. They don't want kids to constantly break the OS. And Steam Deck is the biggest step towards making Linux mainstream ever. I don't get your take on this

Just create your own SteamOS. Install Arch and make steam start in BigPicture mode instead of starting up a desktop environment

​@@TheB3n0 Genuinely asking, what's the reason you want Linux to go mainstream? This is relevant because my reason is I don't want for everyone to be dependent on only a handful of companies, to have their data harvested by billionaires and bombarded by ads and so on. So it's not sufficient that they're simply using the Linux kernel behind their computer use, it's also necessary that they're not running stuff like Steam, Google Chrome, Adobe products and whatever else. I'm asking because I want to understand the people who say "Steam Deck is good for mainstream Linux adoption", why exactly do you want THIS mainstream Linux adoption?

@@Trafotin (remaking this bc links got my comment deleted) Valve does not sell your data, they do share with partners tho (see steam's privacy policy) You can change the root filesystem, with developer mode (See 'Steam Deck Development Live Stream' on 'Steamworks Development' YT Channel from 'Nov 12, 2021) You can install another OS without an account, just hold Vol. Down + Power on boot and you'll be sent to the UEFI BIOS, where you can boot any USB installer (See 'How to Install Windows on Steam Deck' guide from tom's Hardware)

Debian has ok security for base packages, so it's ok for servers. OTOH desktop packages like browser are often outdated, which makes clients vulnerable.

I want to learn more about the lizard...

@@Trafotin Apparently it's name is Geeko, couldn't find much more lore than that.

I think the Fedora logo is pretty cool, but I agree the name kinda sucks and unfortunately that actually matters to many people

But it has SUS in its name...

@@t0uchme343 - anime avatar Opinion discarded

True. But the important thing here is that the choice to let them do it must *always* be up to the user. The user must have all the power whether they choose to participate in all Telemetry or just when the app/OS crashes, etc. Basically, only the ones that the user allows.

Telemetry is different when user provided as you describe. The difference is when it is done without explicit permission and off by default. Windows and Apple went down the same slippery slope many distros that implement telemetry go down.

@@ps5hasnogames55 even the telemetry collecting ones. So why even collect telemetry ?

@@Trafotin haha, you must be living in parallel reality or something. As long as there 78923467823478 versions of linux, there are only two OS that matter: Windows and MacOS. get real:D

@@Trafotin That's usually the problem when using a proprietary OS or something shipped by a commercial vendor. I was disappointed you didn't mention this.

agreed

... using a VTuber is weird

@a7i3n93 hi! why? coming ever from win10, i am lookong for a stable distro with updates. mint was good in live boot xp, but the 1.xx GB vscodium flatpak (vs 90 MB on win) & outdated gnu make 4.3 was a turn down. > _"9 months ago • ... My one quibble is that though quite easy to install and use, Fedora is not just for beginners. Torvalds uses Fedora, and so do I. ..."_

Yep. If I can’t get an install from bare to usable in 10 minutes, I lose interest.

Having Arch installed doesn't mean you have to be fiddling with it all times. If you set it up correctly, you can just install and let go most of the time, the maintenance is not frequent at all. Of course you will need more than 10 mins to set it up in, but you pretty much just need to do it once so that's not really an issue. If you like to be re-installing the OS all the time, it can be a burden but no one should be doing this anyways. Just commenting this as people seem to think that if you have Arch you have to be constantly caring about it. This is a myth caused by the hype and unexperienced users. If you know what you're doing, you can pretty much forget it most of the time.

No. On Desktop, the issue IS not having crucial Software available in tue Platform.

I fucking hate the elitism. Not to brag, but I'm a real developer that loves hacking around on their system. I read source code all the time and I like to make my own tools. I've played with most UNIX-like systems for pure enjoyment and have made my own Linux distribution from total scratch before. There is one thing though that I understand. I'm no expert and I used to not know a lick. I used to think putting Ubuntu Linux on my computer could break it. Luckily though it didn't. The first command I knew and knew how to use was "sudo apt-get install". I only started learning about the wonderful world of UNIX after I installed virtual box and seen the lists of operating systems you could make a virtual machine for. I seen FreeBSD, Solaris, OpenBSD, DOS, OS/2, and Netware. I couldn't describe to you how exciting that was. I felt like I discovered the next element to add to the periodic table. I looked up all these operating systems one by one and spent hours reading about them. I then spent hours going down the rabbit hole of their history along with UNIX history specifically. Every since that day I've been improving my skills and learning more everyday for the past 6 years. It took a lot of work to get where I'm at and there's no shame in admitting I used to be stupid not knowing a damn thing. I don't get why people need to feel like they're the shit because they installed DWM and made it look pretty. If all you do is spend hours making your system look pretty, so you can boast on reddit you aren't learning a single fucking thing. You become stuck in this loop of following the trend and becoming mindless. Elitists aren't just pushing people away they're also hurting themselves in the process.

Man woke up an decided to spit out fax

I actually have a counter to your "muh elitism bad" statement here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TxDFjGPqYog.html

The elitism is basically why people are being scared away from Linux and have no choice but to stay on Windows or Mac OS. "HURR DURR IF YOU DON'T USE ARCH OR INSTALL GENTOO AS A FIRST DISTRO YOUR A NOOB! GO BACK TO WINDOWS!" Seriously, let people use whatever they want. Don't fix something that isn't broken. (Manjaro is an exception, unfortunately.) It it just works, then it works.

Yeah he talks about desktop distros not having an excuse. Stability isn’t a excuse apparently.

@@guy_w_opinions Folks who begin Linux in 1999 might even find it useful.

I'm sure he knows aspects linux you don't because of your narrow focus. He has great advice on desktop security. What is your experience doing video editing on linux? There are many use cases s outside of a enterprise servers.

If it takes THIS MUCH TIME maybe it's not worth spedning it at all

Thank you so much for pointing this out. The "census is so bad I don't want the devs to know any numbers of users!!1!!1" already bugged the hell out of me, but when he came to shit on Debian, I was so done.

Would you recommend Devuan? It's a fork (I know, I know) of Debian but it doesn't use SystemD and the website gives options for either SysVInit, s6, OpenRC and others. It's about 3-4 months behind Debian because the devs have to unpair packages with SystemD dependencies and then work them in. Personally I like it as I've been testing it in a VM and all of the software I want works just as it would on any other distro I've tried, as well as it essentially giving me full control over my PC. Thanks.

@@bingusbongus1656 Hey there, thanks for the question. My take on Devuan is it’s primarily catered towards people not wanting to use systemd. Which is fine. But I tend to stick with the most upstream distros I can. Vanilla Debian on my main production machine, Ubuntu / Kubuntu on my laptop (I have specific use-cases for both), and Arch on my test rig. The Debian Security Team is phenomenal so even though packages may be out of date, Debian always fast-tracks security updates. How else would they have enterprise clients if they were lazy on the opsec? Debian is one of the most popular server operating systems, servers that host far more critical information than most of us on our home PCs. I’m not sure how solid Devuan is in implementing the security patches developed by the Debian Security Team, both in speed and also quality / correctly applying them. They may be great (or even develop their own patches) but I have no info either way. That’s my only concern. Happy to continue the discussion if you have further questions or want to chat on the topic. Thanks again for reaching out.

@@ps5hasnogames55 I don't like it out of protest but rather mistrust of giant corporations not to turn over my data. My logic is SystemD is made and maintained by Red Hat, which is owned by IBM which likely collects data and turns it over to advertising agencies and Federal agencies when they detect Corporate wrongthink. You can call me far fetched all you want, this is just pattern recognition for me. But yeah, key word you mentioned is "vtuber".

@@bingusbongus1656 I used Artix for a while that is basically Arch with the choice of init system and I gotta say I liked it, but it also requires more work on your part to adapt instructions for your system so if you don't know much you might end up breaking stuff like I did, but if that's ok with you then totally go for it, there is also a forum so you can get some support, don't know if the same goes for Devuan. I personally used it because I was curious to try out a different init system, not because of a religious battle, I used s6 and what I liked most about it was that it was definitely faster than systemd in my experience. Now I'm using Fedora because I need something that just works™ so I don't have to worry about stuff, but if I had a spare PC I would install it again just for the fun of it

Debian is low maintenance… until you have to update from version to version, such as the recent jump from 10 to 11.

Good stuff

Just remember, not every Linux user is thís pessimistic about the topics discussed in this podcast. It's over the top, some of it even untrue and fear mongering.

@@RainbowVision sure, but some distros are really bad at the same time. you could get by fine using manjaro, linux mint or debian but the other ones he mentioned like zorin and elementaryos you really wanna stay away from because people know distros have a tendency to pop up out of nowhere and later disappear without a trace.

Ah thanks for saving my time

He also likes Fedora and OpenSuse

I'm an Arch (ArcoLinux) user, and I don't hate any other distro. I think most distros are fine to use. It really depends on what you want your OS to do at the end of the day, and bashing people for that little bit of freedom is just plain dumb.

⁠​⁠@@skelebro9999No no freedoms are important. But shaming people over it seems excessive as it's there freedom to use any OS.

This is not true in all cases. I have three machines. I also use Arch, Debian and Fedora. Each is good in its own way. The base distros are good, it doesn't matter which one you use.

It's because OS can know literally everything about you, it knows what programs you have installed, when you're going AFK, what you're typing etc. We need to use social media because of others using it too. I need to have facebook account to be able to communicate with friends and youtube is the only way to reach other people to tell them about privacy and possible alternate to YT like odysee. It's just monopoly of big tech and people don't really bother about it.

I understand the concern because I can isolate RU-vid and control what YT knows about me but my OS is something more sensible than an online account in a container in another browser than the one for my daily usage. But this is why I use open-source OS. Telemetry is important for software development, to understand how the user tried to interact and how successful they were as well as to detect bugs. Anonymized telemetry as opt-in is a great thing. That's why open-source is so important. On closed-source, you are limited to proof what the OS does.

Me, too.

@@mzpl7357 so does social medias.

@@demarkz which doesn't mean i want MS to know even more about me, especially when it's OS and not a website.

yeah I was thinking the same thing

Arch is my goto distro. I'm only considering redhat and kali for work and security experience. Ubuntu isn't much easier to learn than Arch, and far less well documented. Linux Mint is even nicer, but cant compare to having the AUR. Building SDL libraries for gnu/gcc on anything but arch is a pain in the testicles.

I use fedora KDE and have no issues, are you sure its only with KDE?

@@ShimmerismYT I had issues with the KDE spin on Fedora 38, too. after hours of using the computer, the panels just freeze, though everything else works. it was especially annoying that the time on the panel was frozen, and I thought it was two hours earlier than the time actually was.

@@ps5hasnogames55 Fedora rawhide has the bleeding edge packages before it comes to Fedora. The packages gets thoroughly tested for almost 2 months by the Red Hat team before it is released. Tumbleweed is also somewhat tested. The only distro you are talking about beta testing would be arch Linux. Moreover, only the first flatpak apps would download more data as they also download the runtimes but after that they use less data as they share runtimes. So, your opinion is debunked !

@@rishirajsaikia1323 "Moreover, only the first flatpak apps would download more data as they also download the runtimes but after that they use less data as they share runtimes" wasn't that the entire point of how installing software on Linux was meant to be to begin with, and what happens anyway if you just use the package manager version instead?

@@cakeisamadeupdrug6134 don't get me wrong I also prefer an application to be installed through the official repos. But if some one needs additional software not available in the repository or wants the latest stable release of the package, then they use flatpaks.

@@ps5hasnogames55 I genuinely think Wayland is the future for the Linux desktop, xorg is way too outdated at this point and fedora is doing a great job pushing newer bleeding edge tech onto users, you're just the tinfoil hat kid that's OCD about everything. As for screen sharing in discord, I don't think that's the only thing Linux users do, especially people who use their desktops as workstations. If you compare that to the thousands of improvements that Wayland brings, then you sound really dumb. Flatpaks are the only way that the Linux desktop can fix it's package problem.

Hey, don't listen to the guy bashing another distro. Feel free using whatever distro you feel comfortable with and suits your needs. You don't do anything wrong with Fedora because Linus Torvalds uses Fedora, too. (And if he uses Fedora, then Fedora surely does something right in order not to piss Linus off.)

It's fine for servers, for desktop is terrible, the packages get dated so fast it's unbelievable! Then you have to hunt and use the inefficient flatpacks, just to get a barely usable desktop! You may say so what if the packages are old but some of us need the new security updates and the new features and Debian is terrible fot that!

hi @anonl5877 ! ppl here saying fedora's dnf sucks, what would u say? _"1 year ago • I chose Fedora, and it's been a very solid experience."_

That's what people do for popular open source project tho. There has to be that guy or we're screwed.

@@w花b tru

If I may ask, what about dnf is a pain(asking as someone who has never used a RHEL distro)?

@@PPKNexus it is excruciatingly slow at times. not while downloading the packages, but while updating the local repo caches, and "determining fastest host"

I put cinnamon mint on my wifes computer. She has been using it for years no problems. Her computer skill is she knows how to turn the computer on and her skills end there. I always recommend a mint version for newbies or peppermint os. Simple to use, light weight and most important just rock solid.

@@johnmal5975 What do you recommend for Surface Pro users (no Linux experience)?

@@johncalorino675 That can be a tough install. Which surface pro do you have? It's like a chromebook there are different work arounds depending on which one you have. Here is a link for a surface pro 3 install. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6cbpr6U77u0.html

@@ps5hasnogames55 Good to know. I had been playing around with MX, and the boot partition filled up on a VM. Thing already bugged out from other stuff, though.

I've been using Void for a solid year now. No problems whatsoever. Rock solid, constant updates and XBPS is robust, fast and great in general. It's not AUR levels of packages but it's a robust selection. No Systemd though, had a rough time at first but then I got used to workarounds. It is mainteined by a small team of contibuitors too, this guy like doesn't seem to like that concept.

@@moister3727 This guy is one of those r/unixporn retards that thinks they understand a Linux system because they can install i3 or DWM. That's exactly who this guy is. Also void is cool btw.

@@moister3727 " It's not AUR levels of packages but it's a robust selection." It's better IMO because they have everything I've ever needed in their main repo so there's no need for something like the AUR or AUR helpers.

@@folksurvival Yeah, but still. Most of the things I want but can't find in the packages page, I just compile it from the main repo (like Discord or Spotify). The AUR is really overwhealming to me at times.

@@moister3727 I have been running void on my 32-bit machine simply because arch has no 32-bit version. and I must say that for older computers I find it preferable to arch

Arco isn't officially maintained since years. Please switch to EndeavourOS which is developed by some of the Arco Linux devs.

@@alicethegrinsecatz1611 Not sure how true what you said is, but I will be switching to Arch linux at some point when I decide to wipe my ssd (so probably soon). I have had the best experience with arco out of all distros (fedora too) so

@@splatink That guy doesn't know what he's talking about, Arco's most recent release was earlier this month so its very well maintained and up to date.

@@leemanwrong Perhaps hes confusing Arco with Antergos? The latter was the one discontinued in favor of endeavour by some of its devs.

archlinuxgui is Arch with calamares.

@@ps5hasnogames55 that's kinda true as well, I can't lie...

I am very interested in that Gentoo PS4. Care to elaborate?

@@JayCeeCreates Sure Things that are required: PS4 on or below version 9.00 2 storage devices 1 for the jailbreak named Golden Hen (can be seen on the Modded Warfare YT channel) 1 for the flashed Linux preferable HDD or SSD (I used a packaged one made by Michael Crump who has a YT vid on it) As well as USB Keyboard and mouse I think Gold Hen is needed but I haven't tried it without This is done through a web exploit on the older firmware of the PS4 and is something to do with injecting files into cache I wont post the full link but the site can that will be used on the PS4 can be found in Moddded Warfare's 9.00 exploit video (site named Karo218) When you go on this site the top button will load and then you press it then it will ask you to insert the Golden Hen USB and when the notification appears you remove the USB Then on the same site there should be a Linux tab once this is pressed there will be a line of Linux 1GB - Linux 5GB this GB amount is the VRAM allocated 1GB or 2GB is best for first boot Insert the device with the Linux install flashed on it and click either 1GB or 2Gb version of Linux and it should boot into whatever Linux you have flashed onto the device (if the pre-package install from Michael Crump is used some applications will be preinstalled such as Steam, Brave, etc...) The issue is that this exploit isn't persistent so to boot back in you will need to go to the site and put the USBs in again however all data on the Linux install is saved I don't think I missed anything (Hopefully) If you want a better presented version of that watch the Michael Crump video: How to Install Gentoo on PS4 9.00 /Modded Warfare Video: Installing Linux on the PS4. 9.00

@@ps5hasnogames55 Im a lawyer I dont need these things maybe your critics about rpm can be relevant to me but so far Im all right. I just need something that is fairly stable and I can work with Fedora.

Care to point out the main ones? Im just curious since dont know much.

@@anonymousc2FtdWVs Where do I even start... zorin-os-census package can be opted out during installation, for starters. It only sends pings to Zorin about daily active users, so that they know if they are growing their userbase, OEM partner batches, and OS version reports (which are used to notify users to upgrade if they are using old versions of Zorin, because it's not a rolling release). Just because Manjaro "freezes" updates for 2 weeks, doesn't mean that your OS is vulnerable. Even if you don't download the latest security updates, it doesn't mean that they are not effective at what they are meant to do; in fact, they usually work long past their due date. Manjaro prides itself on being one of the most if not the most stable Arch based OS out there, but if there is a known vulnerability they will release the update before the 2 week mark where they test the stability. Pretty much all of the SteamOS takes are Alex Jones tier of ridiculous. It's pure logic that when a manufacturer releases a new console, they NEED to collect necessary data so that they can mature the platform and further develop it for better user experience. Nobody in their right mind would buy the Steam Deck so that they can use it as a desktop (even though Valve offers that option, as a pure cherry on top) yet this was one of the bigger points that they had about Steam OS. Steam, the app, is proprietary, so if that's the problem, either don't buy the damn thing, or if you buy it, use it just for Steam. Simple. Ubuntu is pretty much the same as Zorin. At first boot after installation, you will be greeted with the Ubuntu Welcome app, in which you can "opt out" (not sure if I would call this opting out, because, while the "send data to Canonical" is selected by default, you can select "No, do not send any data to Canonical" right there and then, at first boot, so you be the judge if this is "opt out" or not). The data that Canonical collects if you chose to send data to them is as follows: Ubuntu version OEM/Manufacturer Device model number BIOS info CPU details GPU details Installed RAM Partition Info Display(s) details Auto-login status Live Patching status Desktop environment Display server Timezone No locale, no software info, no drivers, not even a username, and certainly not IP addresses or anything such as. The Debian take co-relates to the Manjaro take. Just because they are slower than Arch in releasing security updates, does not mean that you are vulnerable at all, and, of course, if a known exploit is an issue, they will push the updates as soon as possible, which was even easier to find information on because Debian has been around for ages. Considering that this distro is one of the most popular distros, it is insane to think that the Debian team would compromise stability just to satisfy paranoid security fanatics who don't think that "outdated", meaning a version older, version of security firmware would satisfy. The ArcoLinux take is pure insanity. The man who got an animation of an anime character looking around and gesturing is saying that the website, which is fully functional and packed with information looks like it's made in 2009, yet the man is using a window manager that is as barebones as you can get. Arco has its issues, but Erik has put his heart and soul into that distro and offers the biggest collection of desktop environments and window manager versions of Arco, bar none. Furthermore, if this "one man distro" (which is incorrect, but w/e, he's not the only developer) chooses to introduce a malicious code into the distro, guess what, LINUX IS OPEN SOURCE, and people would pick up on it. There is so much more I could write, but it's 5AM lmao

@daltonwither5246 hi! but aren't both deboan and mint 2 years behind on updates? > _"2 years ago • ... I can only update once a month, if I get the chance. -desktop debian user"_

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Try NixOS and openSUSE Micro OS. NixOS is not an immutable distro, but it solved your issue about breakage.

Was the utility Lynis?

yes and also debsecan. but looking bask it seems that with the recent installment i have forgotten to turn it back on :(. I have a script that runs it on a monthly basis and prints out a report and have it deposited on my desktop and a notification. I need to re-enable it :)

The steam deck isn't locked down like most consoles and you can install console emulators(one of the reasons why people buy steam decks) and you can also install heroic games launcher to play games from gog and epic. A lot of things on the steam deck aren't tied down too much to valve software unlike something like a ps5 or a switch.

i looked up to install vscodium on linum mate; 1.xx GB download... holly molly, its just ~90 MB download on windows... no way i am downloading that bloat; bye flatpacks.

no they're not. arch is like the easiest distro to get into if you actually use the wiki instead of weird video tutorials that delibirately leave out important info to get more engagement. gentoo is slightly harder to get into

Currently Fedora is so smart, that if nvidia driver fails, it will fall back to nouveau. It has blown my mind when something went wrong while installing them, and it didn't break X11. It just said that it's going to use nouveau while booting. It won't install nvidia drivers for yourself, which sucks. But it will boot just fine even if you mess something up

Maintaining Nvidia drivers is such a pain in the ass. These days however it's much more better and you can get even GUIs to install Nvidia drivers with auto-detection. Things have improved over time.

If you enable the non-free repo, you can sudo apt install firmware-realtek.

If I install iTunes on Windows, does that make my computer owned by Apple?

HP has been an ally of Linux through their printers, but also has some of the worst BIOS known to man because it causes issues even for Windows users.

My same thoughts as well, just last year I finally left MS due to their silly Windows 11 policies, I went Debian because it has a big name in the server world. To my surprise every single tinkering that I did worked first try, from configuring my intel wifi card to my radeon gpus to even play steam games. I did not need a single time to fix the OS itself, it just worked as I expected plus more thanks to the tinkering.

@@alen2937 Debian is pretty good for just starting out. There's tons of helpful documentation and resources on it because it's so popular. Once you play around enough with different distributions you'll realise they're all just the same LSB specifications copy paste. Every distribution works almost exactly the same underneath the differences being package management and software versions. I don't get why people fight over distributions.