dunno,most desktop environement on my x99 intel and my nvidia video card are unstable when i try them, and for my work, substance painter, 3ds max, maya and photoshop are not on linux, i found as well that vr and shader support on unity is kind of a mess on linux, and well, there is no ui for stuff like color management or mouse wheel sensitivity in linux making it quite hard in everyday use in my work.
It's not the fact that there's no professional tools in Linux, it's the fact that Linux doesn't work 100% for all of those tools, there's always a weird issue that prevents people from doing what they want to do. That goes on to waste time for those professionals and I'm sure you'd understand how important time is in the professional world. Let me share the issues I'm having with a completely fresh install of Nobara 38 on a new SSD-- You mentioned DaVinci Resolve being available on Linux. Does it work 100% the same as it does on Windows? Can I install it in any distro and immediately open it and edit videos? Keeping Nvidia driver issues aside, does the Linux version work exactly the same as on other OS with AMD GPUs? I can use the free version of DaVinci Resolve with full capabilities of my AMD GPU on Windows, can I do that on Linux too? I understand that Linux distros don't like packaging proprietary drivers, but what do they do to inform the user of that? I'm trying to switch to Nobara and had a wifi card not work because the drivers weren't installed and I wasn't informed of it anywhere. Searching for "wifi not working linux" doesn't provide results that would be helpful for an average user or their specific cases. Speaking of wifi, how the heck do hotspots work on KDE? I installed the wifi drivers and got it running to the point where I can connect to my router's access point and get internet. But, I also sometimes need to have wired internet directly to my PC and connect my phone to PC hotspot for quick access. Searching for "turn on kde hotspot" on the internet shows results ranging from simply clicking the Hotspot button, to creating a manual hotspot connection, to completely wiping and reinstalling the drivers. Moreover, the wifi will connect to the hotspot of one of my phones, but not the other. Why? On other OS, creating hotspots takes max 3 clicks. On KDE, if you install a Flatpak app, you'll get a Plasma Workspace notification saying that "app is running in the background. Click to find out more". But it doesn't tell you that if you ignore the notification, it will not set the permission for the app to run in background. I was trying to use OnlyOffice and ignored the popup as I didn't find it important and then spent the entire week trying to troubleshoot why OnlyOffice keeps crashing 10 seconds after opening. The user has no knowledge that the Flatpak apps need that permissions to function properly. It's not the fact that there's no required features in Linux, it's the fact that there's no guarantee that they'll work because they are not polished and not well thought out, making even using webapps through browsers painful as the wifi wouldn't work. I'm technically sound enough to troubleshoot these, but is your parent, uncle/aunt, sibling, or any other average user going to be able to find the correct drivers? Users aren't mostly dumb, they can find their way around some technical problems. They aren't frustrated because something isn't working, they get frustrated because they don't know why it's not working.
In 2011 right after college I got a job at the SEO company. 45 out of 50 employees worked on Ubuntu. In 2011, in Siberia, Russia. It was ready back then. The smoothest workstation experience of my life.
@@ndrechtseiter да, грустно это, что от идеального десктопа мы пришли к тому, что Каноникал постоянно пытается идти против камунити с своими Юнити, Мир и снап
It's true that in animation there's a majority of studios that use Linux not only as their Render servers but for animate as well, like DreamWorks, Disney/Pixar, and 60% of VFX departments (Thats why things like Davinci Resolve, Nuke, Modo, Houdini, Maya (Of course Blender). It's just not visible to the public eye, but they use it because it's comfortable that the OS is not in the way of your work. I'm a animation student using Linux, just because I like it, and found no issue using it.
I'm a home user and Davinci Resolve although it "works" it's a horrible program on Linux. Some codecs are not available, audio doesn't straight out the box and good luck because converting a 1GB file to the supported codecs yield a 20GB file. Also, you can't use hardware encoding on Davinci Linux if you don't have an NVIDIA GPU. Saying that Davinci Resolve works on Linux is just wrong, it's crippled and barely works.
Fellow DaVinci Resolve user here. I am using it both on Windows and macOS. The problem with DVR on the free version in Linux is that it doesn't process or play codecs that are in H.264 (video) and AAC (audio). Some people are saying that you need to buy the Studio version to make it work with your typical video file on Linux but I can't confirm that since I'm still a student. And if you are going with transcoding the footage into what DVR likes on Linux, good luck with your storage space as it can gets crazy big like 2GB for a less than a minute video.
Cool and all, but as a game dev and closely related to animation. Linux lacks support for Zbrush which is essential for any animation studio, it lacks Adobe Substance Designer and Painter which are standard for most studios. Even 3DS Max doesn’t work on Linux properly.
This is what it's all about there are quite good quality software that matches or exceeds commercial ones. But people being people, are lazy and don't want to learn new stuff so they complain and never embrace Linux. If Microsoft ever put Office on Linux to buy. The floodgates would open to the rest of the commercial market. Until then Linux will flounder on the desktop.
@@RobertWilkeNo, fool, it's not about being lazy, it's about being locked in. The thing about industry standards is that if you're not using them, you are literally incapable of working with someone who does.
ah yes like affinity photo/serif programs that don't run via wine ): but is such a better deal than adobe subscription and is like 90% of what they can do yet gimp/krita/etc...... don't quite hit the mark, yeah ): somethin like that
@@TehObLiVioUs Precisely. For me, even DaVinci is a no go, since it has zero support for third party audio plugins on Linux. Heck, even if it did, most plugins I need don't work properly with Wine.
Basically for every single creative career or profession Linux is missing something essential. From Desktop Publishing to Graphic Design to Audio Production and Film Editing. Everything is so close, but not there yet. We need a emulation layer or something to just let us run everything at the cost of some overhead.
@@ghost-user559 That doesn't make sense to me. Reaper is one of the leading DAWs, I use it weekly. What is missing in it? You could of course use Ardour too and many others. That's pretty much a complete audio production unit if you know how to use them. I can't help with what you're used to but that's another problem entirely. Graphic design - maybe. I get everything done with Krita, but I don't do anything complicated these days. Have you though tried to get everything advanced done with it? You might be surprised how far you can go. Editing - yeah, well. If Kdenlive doesn't crash, it gets the job done. If it does, then DaVinci Resolve is probably the only option. If you get the pro version, then that should cover most of your Hollywood level needs.
The definition of "Professional" simply means that a person can earn their living from a specified activity. If Linux is your primary tool that you use and rely on to earn a living, then yes, by definition your tool (Linux) is ready for professional work. Not only is it ready, but it's an integral part of your profession. This however does not mean that this tool can automatically be used by every other profession. It comes down to each individual profession if Linux is a viable option.
Right, like how it is much easier for a software developer to use Linux than a mechanical engineer, where a lot of CAD packages are missing (Solidworks, Autodesk, etc)
I’d imagine most of that is Linux servers. e.g. rendering farms and stuff. Linux server is fine. Most of the complaints people have about Linux is related to the desktop. Whether or not those issues affect you depend on what you use it for. “Professional” is very broad and generally when people make complaints about “professional” use cases they implicitly mean “the kind of professional I am” and forget how diverse the use cases for computers are.
It's not that people are locked on software that isn't made for Linux. The problem is that the software that is made for Linux sometimes is not on par with the alternatives on Windows or Mac. Photoshop is so more easy to use and with more advanced features than Gimp. I use Blender for my professional work and is the only software that I can properly say is better than it's counterparts in a lots of aspects (cinema4D and Maya). For creative works, there aren't many softwares that can compete yet and it doesn't make sense to fully switch. It's a shame because I'm eager to switch as soon as many of the softwares I use can work on Linux or get usable alternatives. But it's not there yet.
Big true. Blender is the only open source software I can think of that has reached a level where it's advanced enough and comfortable enough to do large scale work with. Most open source software is just lagging behind.
I have been using PopOS for 3+ years professionally as a web developer. Sure, there are some issues with multi-monitor setup, some audio issues here and there, and some sleep issues but nothing that a script can't fix.
@@nathanwhite704 if you can't spend a bit of time to prepare your system, that you will use for 1000s of hours, then you are straight up dumb and lazy, but even if you are, windows isn't perfect either, i had to do a lot of troubleshooting on windows to get stuff to just work, way less than on linux mint that im currently using.
@@grlff depends on what you're a pro in. You shouldn't expect someone who's a visual effects artist to do the work of RHEL certified systems administrator.
I use linux for development and music production. While development experience is really good, I can't say music production is ready. Many popular VST plugins don't support Linux, and you have to use bridges like Carla, LinVst, etc. It's getting better(decent sampler, vital, surge...) bitwig it's really good, but their packaging or its only .Deb or flatpak, and with flatpaks, the wine bridge doesn't work. There is still a lot to improve, but recently, it got so good I switched my both computers fully on linux.
In my experience it's not Linux who isn't ready for professional work, it's companies who pull the plug on Linux support. Recent example in my line of work is Adobe pulling the plug for the Substance toolset after they acquired the company. Before the acquisition the Linux client for their software was available through all channels, now the only way to get it is through Steam which was a big slap in the face for everyone with a perpetual license. Linux itself is more than ready and often times even performs better by utilizing system resources much more efficient but if a company/developer decide to not support it in the first place, Linux can't do much against it.
Honestly one of the biggest issue is Microsoft Teams not being able to screen share on Wayland. A very small problem but blocker in profesionnal context
@@TheLinuxEXP of course ! This is what I am actually using ! But this is still a hack. This kind of thing should work out of the box. And what is frustrating is that it is not a Linux issue but it is because of the apps developers not wanting to patch their apps (just updating their electron version basically)
I've resolved a lot of issues by setting up screen-share for chromium properly and then just using PWAs. It does work for Slack this way for me. Might be worth a shot for Teams too.
Boy this is a MAJOR pain point for me lol😢.... Slack usage too..I can't use slack properly...not the web app...PWAs are great ...but I don't want some of my tools performance and process tied to my browser usage therefore a crash or issue in 1 affecting the other....
it shouldn't work out the box if its Microsoft specific software. That's like saying emulation should work out of the box without installing anything. Different platforms different issues. @@Jp-ml3jo
It depends, from my graphic point of view, is not there yet. So much software is only on win/mac. And for some, breaking from Adobe for some people is hard, even if there are alternatives, they are not on the same pair in matter of quality, stability and performance, even if they are better and better with every update. Video stuff is kind of there, with davinci but with extra steps and troubles, because of codecs and performance in matter of GPU is "limited". 3D is great with blender, or with 3D Coat or Plasticity. Music, I don't know, but it will be hard to beat macOS in this department for sure. For programming, it is great, unless you depend on full Visual Studio (VSC is great, but it is not a full IDE) or unless you make stuff for macOS/iOS.
The company I work at was exclusively using Debian when it was "independent" in tunisia, but when it was merged with the main branch in france, now they obligated everybody to either use windows or Mac Technically it was always part of the french branch but politics opened some flows between tunisia and the world recently
I'm in the same exact situation. Except that I'm from Romania. The big corporation that now I'm a part of (the previous company was aquired) now only supports Macs and Windows, while before we had Linux too. I hope I'll be able to make Linux a reality, but it seems it will take years.
For digital illustration artist perspective, there is a few professional art software in Linux. Of course there is Krita, Inkscape, Gimp... but I think in Windows, there are a lot software option to use than in Linux. In Windows, (for example) If they don't like to use Krita, they can switch to another software like CSP or Photoshop. But in Linux, the option is very limited. In Linux, yes we can use Wine to use the windows software, but in most applications (especially the new one), the pen pressure in Wine doesn't work at all. I think this is kind of situation really discouraging for many digital artists. For many professional digital illustration artist, transitioning from windows to linux is hard. But not that hard if they love to use software like Krita, Inkscape, GIMP, and some art software in Linux.
This. I love linux a lot and I want to move full there but I can’t stand krita, I just don’t vibe with it. Gimp is good for photo editing but not that nice for illustration. Beside, each program has a different pressure feel and if you can’t adapt to that as well, it can be difficult to move.
For music production, Bitwig (which is similar to the increasingly popular Ableton Live) has also had a Linux version for a while, it's even on Flathub. But unfortunately, there's another problem with comparability here - VST plugins. Well, technically the standard is Linux compatible, but... tell that to plugin developers. And since they're not executables but DLLs, Wine alone isn't going to cut it, you also need to run a special VST bridge, that might require to be installed from source... But a lot of plugins also have DRM/antipiracy stuff. So you probably aren't going to get industry standards like Kontakt. Though there still are amazing open source synths like Helm! EDIT: I incorrectly assumed Vital was open source too. But it's still available for free for Linux, if you don't mind closed source and making an account.
is that true for VST3? i always assumed it was probably compatible since .vst3 is it's own file type like .png, but an audio plugin is considerably more complicated than an image so VST3 might very well not be automatically cross-platform Also, Vital is *not* open source, to quote the EULA: "You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE PRODUCTS" so i think that slot should go to Surge XT or Vaporizer 2, a hybrid synth and wavetable synth respectively Vaporizer is probably the more direct competitor to Vital, although i haven't used it that much, i'm more experienced with Surge
@@X-3K Whoops, I assumed Vital was OS because Helm from the same creator is. Gonna have to correct this! At its core, both VST2 and VST3 are dynamically linked libraries (extension is just a hint here) and it seems that libraries are handled differently between Linux and Windows. ...and I've just searched and there exists both LinVst and LinVst3 (which is the bridge I mentioned)
one thing that is often gets overseen is that although linux in IT/Tech can provide with a future proof or at least get you a good qualification, in other sector such as media creation you heavily depend on Windows/Mac environments and apps to advance your career.
6:57 for audio tools, there is a professional DAW called Reaper that's available on Windows, MacOS and is also available on GNU/Linux. It's very user-friendly, and gives a free life-time trial version that is exactly the same as the paid version. (It's part of their marketing vision, if you like their software, you eventually will be more likely to pay for it but you are not forced to)
@RAM_845 I was actually pleasantly surprised by how many VSTs ran just fine through Yabridge when I made the move from Windows to Linux. But you are right, not all of them do.
I’m a freelance investigative reporter and I have used Ubuntu and derivatives like Pop_OS as daily drivers for almost five years without a hitch- I write all my notes and drafts in markdown and submit in whatever format the client needs using tools like Pandoc. The best thing about Linux is that it stays out of the way- it’s actually simpler and easier to apply to the most common workplace use cases that most people have besides software lock-in, I think the issues that really deter people are installation, the small learning curve after installation, and most importantly the lack of UI polish in some distributions and applications.
I would point out however that a lot of professionals are corporate employees - and those professionals don't get a choice. They run whatever the corporate IT office installs on the company-owned PC and that's almost always Windows. The appeal isn't how well the operating system will run for the user - it's how the IT department can configure it to be locked down /from/ the user and managed by a central authority through remote administration.
I'm just a normal computer user. Which means I only do basic computer task, a home user. Been using Linux for the past 20 years and never went back to Windows the day I left. And that glorious day was on July 15, 2003. Which mean every single Linux application does all my computer task just fine. I even game on Linux. I just game with Linux games. Linux been ready for the Desktop since I made that switch. Everybody else is just missing it.
The reason Valve put so many resources into SteamOS and Proton, making Linux way more viable for everyday users, is because Windows 8 was so terrible. They were scared of getting locked into an environment that could turn hostile toward them. So even that is thanks to bad Windows decisions.
When people say "professionals" they mean "Photoshop users"
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For me as someone who is making a slow transition from MacOs to Fedora the most challenging thing is not to use alternative softwares, but to FIND them in the first place. For example I am still looking for a textexpander tool that is still maintained from the developer - and works. That's what makes the switch harder for me. And some things are still missing on linux (commercial software), so it's not a breezing journey, but something that has to be conquered. :-)
Could "espanso" be what you're looking for? It's a text expander tool available cross-platform, looks like. I'd post a link, but RU-vid would block my comment. AlternativeTo is a good website for finding alternatives to software you currently or used to use, and you can filter for programs that work on Linux.NM
You could make one yourself fairly easily. You can use launchers like wofi/tofi/dmenu. The launcher accepts an input list and displays it. When you select one of the inputs (with search, arrow keys, mouse), it will return the selected element of the list. That element can be the name of a script that will copy the desired text to your clipboard. Is this is a hack? Idk. Most likely. But I am sure I could make it work. I do that kind of thing all the time for myself. I hate bash and I am a noob at it. But it is still useful at times.
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@@rushi7312 Yeah, probably I will do something like that, find a way to make it work. :-) But this is what I mean: Linux DE are awesome but is not like you come from a big OS like MacOs, simply change a few apps and you're done. Yes, I do learn the terminal commands and I am digging deeper. But it's not an "easy switch". I guess we all deal with this kind of "blindness" when we are experienced in our field: We forget how hard it was in the beginning and can not relate anymore. Thanks for taking the time and actually giving me something I can go deeper with - I really appreciate that! :-)
Main reasons I switched back to Windows earlier this year: - Had to use a Windows VM to install MS Office/Teams for work purposes - Couldn't sync with my iPhone - Could no longer play Roblox with my child - Couldn't use my BT keyboard/mouse to login past LUKS I didn't mind using a Windows VM. I can eventually replace my phone. I have another keyboard/mouse I can use to login past Luks. But as silly as it sounds, Roblox was the straw that broke the camels back. You can do anything on Linux, except the things you can't do. There are workarounds for 99% of things, but honestly I just don't have the time. Looking to get back into it at some point, but in no rush.
Love your videos, Nick, but I've got to interject for a moment. Thunderbird doesn't support exchange atm. The plugin you talked about is incompatible with the latest version (or at least was a month or two ago). That said, exchange isn't something I'd use out of my own volition...
Generally I do agree with this, the downside is when you hit desktop publishing, yes Gimp and inkscape are sort of ready and would be an almost viable alternative as they can save as .psd and .ai files and work with them too, BUT.. Scribus is NOT ready.. (as David Revoy found out, a French artist who solely uses Linux in his workflow.) Colour matching and output are incredibly hit and miss and it took him months to get something that he was happy with, something that you can't do outside of personal projects where deadlines and clients are fact of life. Add to the fact that there is effectively no file exchange format for Scribus that will work across other applications, so if you are working with other professionals then they will most likely not be able to open and work with your files. Other than that I agree that Linux itself is ready, it just needs to gain more attention and support from a wider range of proprietary software to make the exchange of documents and files more seamless.
The infinity suite needs to make linux versions, is a solid replacement to adobe products. But yes desktop publishing software is weak on linux. Gimp or other publishing software won't cut it in a print shop or design studio.
The infinity suite needs to make linux versions, is a solid replacement to adobe products. But yes desktop publishing software is weak on linux. Gimp or other publishing software won't cut it in a print shop or design studio.
Been using Fedora for the last 12 years for my personal/work laptop without much issues. Works great for me. Initially there were some issues related to wifi connectivity and audio/video playback. After changing my machine five years back, I have not faced any such issues. Works great out of the box for me, every single update of Fedora.
Speaking of content creation, I installed Nobara 38 on bare metal and I can't get DaVinci Resolve Stuio to start. I tried the current 18.6.2 as well as an earlier version (18.1 I think) and neither program would start up. My understanding is that DaVinci Resolve is supposed to run out of the box with the Nvidia drivers packaged with Nobara. Is that wrong? Do I have to install the Nvidia drivers that are listed in the installation instructions provided by BlackMagic design (which was for CentOS 7, I think)?
Perhaps the reason that Linux on the desktop has not taken the PC market by storm, is because, still today, much work has to be done in Terminal (in the CLI). For example, the whole procedure of disk partitioning/formatting is really a common chore which is a pain to do in the CLI, as apposed to the easy to use windows program "Disk Genius". I know that there have been some half hearted attempts in recent years to put this into a linux gui, but they have not been very flexible or easy to use.
It really depends on the industry you work in. I was having this conversation with my wife the other day. Linux is 100% ready for any professional industry. But it doesn't have third-party support for professional apps. The ecosystem is not as rich. When you need to produce work based on proprietary tools needed for collaborative things (in my case, CorelDRAW which is the standard for print shops in my country) then it falls apart. Also, if you want to work with audio and premium VST plugins, a lot of times the authorization system does not work on Linux (even if the DAW supports VSTs). So the commercial tools don't work, and when you're doing really specialized work (Pantone color matching in the case of CorelDRAW for printing, and stuff like massive audio reconstruction, re-reverb, etc for DAWs) you just can't waste time trying to make commercial applications work. And there are no real open source or even commercial, Linux-compatible alternatives. However, I do a lot of my (also professional) work with HTML programming, game development (I use GDevelop on a browser), SEO, journalism... all of that I can do without issue on a Linux computer and in fact, I do have a laptop I use for that. But there is no parity when it comes to commercial viability, particularly in the creative industries, and pretending otherwise only hurts because the perception is that there is parity, so nobody works on actually achieving it.
The thing is: The system itself is the better we can get to do all those things, but people tend to think that third party support is related to the system. The real question is: Can Linux handle those program if they were ported? The answer is YES. Then is smart to not blame the OS for things made by other people who just refuse to give support.
@@talkysassis Yes, and no. Of course Linux can support those things if people bothered to port them. But companies don't port them because of the small user base, and the small user base IS a Linux problem. So it's not that easy to just wash Linux's hands of the whole affair. If Linux desktop adoption was higher, more commercial companies would be compelled to add a Linux version of their apps (which require extra resources to develop and maintain). At 3% market share, it just isn't worth it to them. And I can't blame them.
@@talkysassis I do feel however, that if more effort was put into compatibility layers like Wine and Proton to ensure compatibility not just with games, but with commercial software, that Linux desktop adoption would be HUGE. Kind of like what Mac is doing with Rosetta 2.
Probably dependent on the profession/type of work you're doing. I'm in academia and for my own projects I can get away with linux, but the moment I need to collaborate with someone its far easier to have mac/windows to minimize any potential hiccups, especially when working on the same documents. Additionally, Microsoft Office for web is still a trash heap the moment you need to do something remotely complex and the linux alternatives aren't quite there for reliability on large scale, complex documents, whether it be formatting or stability. I've never had any alternative to microsoft office run particularly consistently on multi-hundred page documents. Finally, again, dependent on your discipline, industry software support is hit or miss at best (for instance IBM discontinued SPSS support in linux, a key analysis software in my discipline), not to mention missing programs like NVIVO or other old-guard analysis programs that often lack usable web interfaces if there are any at all (I am aware that R exists and have learned it, but the point still stands). So software lock is definitely a thing, it's what holds me back the most.
As a security professional, I ditched windows (except virtualized copies for simulated networks) a bit more than 2 years ago. And it plays my games just fine. Based on my paycheck, my wife thinks I’m a professional.
I agree with most use cases but there I haven’t found a substitute for Excel on Windows. When you need to grab/collate/tabulate a few thousand rows, Google sheets or online Excel is decent but Windows native excel can handle millions of rows with much more sophistication than any other spreadsheet tool I’ve used. It’s still the best for financial/business modelling work. Jypter notebooks might be a good replacement but that’s a big jump for a lot of spreadsheet folk.
The biggest problem isn't even with Linux itself, is that a lot of companies built their envoirments over a Windows base, so having alternative doesn't mean much because a transition, retraining people to use the sofware and a lot of other problems that migrating to a alternative - even if it was better, are still there. Here in my country a lot of places still use Windows 95 systems, because migrating over to something else would be so massive that it's almost impossible. Aside from that, I think most people who are in the Linux space(use and have it as a hobby) know how much it's actually used, but for the average person it has this distorted image of being hard, or not being good because it's free, as well as Linux demanding more of the user. if I had to retrain my employees to use Linux for a migration, I probably would just keep using Windows, because it's a lot hardeer, since the computer they have at home is likely running Windows as well.
I started working as a developer and my company imposes windows on us. It was a very rough experience. Oh and thanks for the tip about thunderbird and exchange! I thought it was impossible because it didn't work out of the box but I'll dig deeper this time. They give us outlook 2010 (yes really) and if we don't like it we have the web app.
As a sysadmin apprentice who uses linux sicne 2 out of three 3 years off my apprentice ship, I can say that it is awesome and all tools for that job are on linux :D
Problem with FOSS alternatives are the lack of 100% file content consistency with other software like adobe. If someone edited a psd file and you open the file to GIMP and edited it and send it back the file to a person who uses an adobe software. It will come out very different and the layouts are messed up. Linux might work for indie stuff, but if you're working with large clients that uses adobe or Autodesk, they will expect layout consistent when doing collaborative work. As much as I hate to say this but, I think Google might have the shot at disrupting Adobe or Autodesk if they make a web apps that can replace it or, have a universal graphics format/file type that can edit raster, and vector files, basically PSD and other proprietary file formats needs to be replaced with open-source ones. Like how HTML 5 killed flash
That's not just with FOSS, it's with any editing program. The issue is compliance with documentation. Even Microsoft has been found guilty of not following their own documentation for .docx
Funny, I have been using it professionally for more then 10 years now, I don't even have Windows installed on my work computer and I can't really remember when I used the Windows installed on my private computer in a dual boot setup.
As someone who works in the space industry using exclusively Linux for everything, I can confidently say yes, Linux is definitely ready for professional work...
Windows allows me to choose which software i wanna use, while Linux only offers one option of software. I could use 3ds Max or Blender. But not on Linux. And most problems start there. When a simple Bluetooth driver doesn't work on Linux or get's broken every system update because i had to install it manually before is what stops Linux for being professional. Same as with other simple driver supports as with Wlan card for ex. or my speakers that for what ever reason i can't select as device in Linux like it's not connected. Those simple things should work right up front.
Sadly this is all assuming that you can teach Janet (58, secretary) that Outlook doesn't exist on this new PC. It's hard enough to teach those people that from Windows 7 to Windows 10 the logo switched, because they are literally resistant to learning. Besides when someone says "it's not ready for professional work" that mostly means that there is no software support either by Adobe and Microsoft, or by less known companies for specialized software that businesses rely on. Hopefully in a few years when EVERYTHING has migrated to the web (an idea I absolutely dread) it will be easier to do this. But for that occasion Google is already cementing it's own OS and companies will certainly trust the big name brand more than anything else. The only reason they let us use Linux on our servers is because servers are effectively magical machines to those people (which is also why they're willing to pay so much money for them).
Back in the 2000s I had a group of 6 HP Blade Workstations running Red Hat Enterprise Linux on which we did nuclear engineering calculations. Worked like a charm.
There are all these completely unimportant sub-ledgers based on MS Access and Excel that nobody really needs and without which the company cannot function... It will be a long, long way until Linux is on par.
I'm in the lucky position that I can use Linux full time for my job including Outlook via the web interface thanks to Office365 but that's not the common standard it could be. Eventually I think people will move on to Android/iDevice OS rather than Linux when they go away from Windows but who knows, I may just as be wrong. Trends do circles in computing too, we might just as well end up coming back to a modern variant of an all decentralized Internet and people to prefer desktop computers with an OS that doesn't need to phone all the time rather than the current trend.
Nick, make a video in which you convince not an individual developer, creator or salaryman that their needs are covered, but an IT department director, who's gonna be responsible for maintainig a fleet of few hundred PCs running Linux in his corpo environment. What are his benefits and viable alternatives to MS products - because there's where the blockers lie.
working as a dev and integrator for industrials, i'll use and install / help to moveto linux and bsd often lately , for the workstation , industrial graphism as well as production machine
Re: 5:34 Not only is there the Outlook web interface but there’s also Waydroid which can run the Android version of Outlook on desktop Linux with minimal difficulty.
I use Linux every day as a daily desktop driver. All the JetBrains products I use run perfectly on it. I don't run Linux for the sake of saying I just Linux. I have goals & targets and have to deliver these to my firm. Linux just doesn't get in the way and make me more productive.
In my office we have one computer shared by four people. It runs Linux and is used for client records and professional communication. Even for people who've never used Linux get used to the set up very quickly.
CAD is a big one. I have a friend who, for their engineering professional work, has to interact daily and heavily with a lot of GIS stuff, and everything in that field is Linux. So he asked me to help him just use all Linux all the time, but honestly, it was not worth it. He could either use a cloud solution for his CAD work or a hardware accelerated VM - we are both against running stuff in the cloud if you have the computer already, and for the VM we just assumed that if the setup ever broke, he wouldn't be able to debug and fix it on his own - so he stayed on windows and uses WSL for GIS stuff.
As a professional Illustrator, I use Krita and Blender daily and they are fantastic and really compete in quality with current commercial software, but there in not really a Linux replacement for Photoshop. Gimp is like what Photoshop used to be in the late 90s. I hope somebody releases something better for phot manipulation. (Krita´s strenght lies in digital painting and that is my daily driver )
Linux has great CAT tools for translators, such as CafeTran Espresso, OmegaT, Swordfish and many other online tools, not to mention great language support from the OS side that Windows used to seriously lack (and I have no idea about last few versions of it).
11:46 Unfortunately the CAD software that my school uses for its CAD lessons (I'm in the "teknikprogram", where we have an own lesson almost every day for everything about tech, how it got developed and how to use it) We will at some point also use CAD and for that my school chose AutoCAD, unfortunately…
You're just an apologist, really. Android and iOS and servers are all categorically irrelevant when the topic is the desktop. If you want to you can try clinging to MacOS as more Linux-like than Windows-like, but it's really only true of the kernel (which like Linux itself sprang from Unix roots). But even "serious" Linux users who look down on people who want a GUI and oftentimes seem to believe saying RTFM is a way to be helpful usually have as much knowledge as I do about the Linux kernel, which is to say very close to zero. What they think of as the OS is the set of GNU programs that are usually included in almost every Linux distribution. And what lots of other users think of as the OS is what is much more accurately referred to as the desktop environment. I have programmed for a living since the turn of the millenium, and for fun a decade before that. But I started dabbling with Linux just out of curiosity and for fun, and less than a decade ago. I reckon that I am both much more willing to spend time trying to find solutions to my computer problems and am much more able than most users (most people after all are not programmers, are not especially interested in computers beyond what they can do with them, and haven't studied microelectronics, digit circuits, signal processing, information theory and so on - they have their own expertise in their own area, just like I do, it just happens to be something else). Despite this AND a burning desire to avoid Windows Spyware if I could, the 2020 laptop I bought a couple of weeks ago is still a dual-boot machine, and I'm running on Windows almost all the time. The machine I bought was a 2020 Huawei Matebook 14s, Intel version with MX350 GPU. It came with Windows 11 on it, but I removed it the first day, and started trying to find a way to run Linux on it. But across around ten different distros and an awful amount of googling I was not able to solve a couple of important issues I had. First problem: This machine has a very high DPI 3:2 display with nearly 100% sRGB coverage and HDR. It looks gorgeous in Windows. Most of the time, however, I'll use it as my TV box of sorts, permanently connected to power and my 85" 4k TV with a very much lower DPI. Making good use of screen real estate is pretty high on my list of priorities, but I couldn't get fractional scaling to actually work on anything other than Ubuntu with Gnome.
Second problem: Since the laptop is going to be nearly permanently connected to power, I need to be able to prevent the default behaviour of charging to 100% whenever I plug in and then keep it there. Li-ion batteries really do not like this kind of treatment. It is possible to make your battery degrade even faster (discharge it completely and then store it for a long time without plugging it in; that might kill it for good, and even if not, will cause significant chemical damage leading to the battery not being able to store nearly as much energy). There's no shortage of web pages (usually loaded with ads and filler to maximize revenue while wasting my time) claming I should run this or that sudo command I don't really understand, but even throwing out all sense and just trying to do as they said, it just didn't work. And those pages seldom have any troubleshooting information either. Most likely it's just a matter of the drivers not being aware that my hardware has this capability. Third problem: The fingerprint sensor was not detected or no drivers exist for it on Linux. My googling to try to get it working leads me to believe it actually did work back in 2020, at least in Ubuntu 18.04, but from 20.04 the support for it was withdrawn, probably for good reasons. I consider the latter a very minor issue since there is hardly anything you can do with a fingerprint sensor on Linux anyway - again based on the googling. Apparently the only thing you can do with a supported fingerprint reader is to use it to log in. And you still need to first click the user or press ENTER or similar to initiate the action and bring forth the password entry interface. Just for the record, I can turn on the PC (the fingerprint sensor is in the power button), choose Windows in the grub menu, and I am logged right in automatically, authenticated by my finger, even after the boot process has been altered by my Linux installation. I guess system firmware stores something in the TPM or something similar... but I digress. The more important point is this: I consider it a very minor drawback that it isn't working because I couldn't do much with it anyway. But I also consider it big lost opportunity, because when I use Linux, it quite often wants me to type my password... or rather, it wants me to *authenticate*, and IF fingerprint sensors were supported to be used whenever the package manager needs to elevate priveliges to install updates or a sudo command needs the same for similar reasons (typically change "system files"), in addition to logging in (without having to select a user - the fingerprint tells the system who you are, that's a huge part of the point..!), then having the sensor would actually have more utility on Linux than it does on Windows, where it's use is limited to logging in and granting access to keychains. (Windows of course isn't able to elevate the priveleges of a running process, and the UAC prompts when requesting to spawn a new process with elevated privileges doesn't require re-authenticating, it's basically just a fancy "yes no" dialog.) Fedore 38 with Xfce looked promising when setting a much higher "font DPI". I was optimistic for almost a whole day, and I salivate at the thought of good tiling window management (with the possibiltiy to opt-out and micromanage it yourself at times) and *love* the incredibly customizable desktop. Just the app launcher alone got me excited, with it's simplicity and speed in use, yet infinite ability to make it DO almost anything you could possibly desire (short of getting fractional scaling that works, alas). Icons however became well too small, and when I set up a VM with Kali on the machine, I had run out of good luck. Everything was incredibly tiny and impossible to read, even leaning into the screen, and I knew it was time to move on and try something else. Long story short I tried Fedora with KDE and Gnome next, then Debian, MX, Mint, Cinnamon, MATE, elementaryOS, Kubuntu, probably a few I have already forgotten, and as a Last Resort, Ubuntu. Ah, Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings! Righ? After overcoming the initial shock of Canonical's now very visible fingerprints all over the thing, I was delighted to find that it not only shows fractional scaling right there in display settings, without needing to copy-paste a single sudo command from some untrusted source, it even worked! Knowing that Fedora 38 has the same desktop environment I was curious as to why, and my googling says that fractional scaling is currently an experimental feature in Gnome, but the Ubuntu team has spent time tweaking it and found it stable enough to give it non-experimental status in its distro. Wonderful! But as soon as my optimism was again on the rise after a long string of disappointments, Ubuntu became very unkind to me.
Whoever says Linux isn't for pros, should be plucked from this timeline and thrown into one where Linux and Open Source software never existed. Linux is absolutely everywhere. A lot of pros work on Linux, a lot of backends are developed and work inside Linux. Just because someone's obervable universe is full of Windows and MacOS (which are also fine, don't get me wrong) doesn't mean that Linux isn't suitable for most professionals. It's just that some companies have mass licences, especially Microsoft's, and have their systems built on Azure. Which is funny because many of those technologies work off Linux. So yeah. I don't know where this notion comes from.
5:03 The problem with most hardware built for Linux is that it's often worse than competing Windows first hardware for more money. For example, if I wanted a screen that wasn't 16 : 9, had an ANSI keyboard, had around a 2560x1600 screen, and a dGPU, I literally had one option: The Framework Laptop 16. Thats a huge problem for Linux; there are very few choices for Linux first hardware, and many use cases that aren't covered by Linux first hardware.
@@cameronbosch1213 Compared to every available keyboards, I'll even take a current gen Thinkpad keyboard. But yes, an old school keyboard is the dream. With numpad. And hot swap battery; because sometimes you don't have power but you could always pick a spare battery. I believe that's the two things that made Thinkpad great. It was built like a brick, felt like a brick when falling on your feet and had built-in water resistance... But the things that set it apart from other laptops was the ease, confort and familiarity of typing, and the staying power on the go.
It's not that hardware is designed to run windows, it's just that vendors don't have a real economic incentive to develop a driver and human interface for Linux. And the vendors get persnickety about their proprietary stuff, and won't release enough details for the open source community to come up with something more intuitive, more efficient, and just better.
There is no alternative to MS Excel with VBA as its used extensively by many companies for automation and certain use cases, plus for analytics users, PowerBI and Tableau are used extensively which is windows only.
You forgot about us Linux musicians. We're a neglected bunch, but we have enough basic tools to do the job. Ardour, Reaper, Guitarix, Carla, and Hydrogen H2 (drum machine). I was playing some Supersonic by Oasis on my Les Paul through Guitarix on my Tuxedo laptop, while watching this video.
I use and like Linux. That being said said, if the software is not available on Linux then Lennox is not a viable choice. In the end, windows is a lot like a minivan. Not the most sexy vehicle on the road but it gets the job done.
I didn't need convincing (I've used Linux for professional purposes -- LaTeX for papers, Beamer for class presentations and class notes -- since 1998), but convincing nevertheless. One small correction: I believe Softmaker Office is available in both free and paid versions.
For Media: Reaper. It just runs on EVERYTHING and is slowly growing more popular. I was able to open a project in Linux, do some edits, and send it to a Windows user with minimal issues.
Its not a myth. I agree with whoever said linux is not for professionals. We all know what they meant and we all know they're right. Feel free to win the argument if you wish. I'm not going to debate it because we all already know and most people here are in denial. Desktop Linux does nothing but consume its users. With the exception of developers. It is really useful for developers. Also that argument of what do users need, just a browser is the same thing as me giving someone crappy tools and someone else good tools. Then being surprised that the one with great tools was able to do something that the other wasn't. Most of the time, we don't know what we can do until we experiment with what is available. Experimenting with Linux ends up making you realise you wasted years and got nothing out of it. Sometimes you do. Some people really do. But most people don't. And I want to post this message here to clarify that linux being good for a desktop is nothing other than propaganda and denial. Also the argument that you need to build everything on linux yourself doesn't make sense. Who's house here looks like an interior designer worked on it? Who's body looks like a bodybuilder's? Who here does 5k runs like its nothing? Who here is a plumber, an engineer. Who here helped launch the satellites in the air so we can have internet. Who here got all A* grades in all their subjects. Technically we all should right? No, we shouldn't. And we don't. Most people don't even make their bed. We don't have time my guy. That's how delusional Linux users are. Oh but you do have time. You have x number of hours......Like come on. Can't see their own stupidity. I hope this didn't offend the good linux users. I'm grateful for you guys that use linux but recognise its limitations and are honest with themselves and others. I'm grateful to you guys because thanks to you, we have an os that can be used for so many personal projects or businesses. I know i'm going to get hated here. Call me a troll. I'm not going to reply.
The percentage of devs using Linux is at best fishy here. I know the field, I know Linux. But most people just use some Linux tools on the side, access a server etc. That's the extent of "using Linux" for most devs. That makes the number bloated. How many devs log into Linux and do all their work there, that's hard to tell.
Linux is almost everywhere, but it's not for Desktop or Consumer use. Ordinary people (not a computer enthusiast) are often frustrated when they encounter problems on their Linux, they can't or don't have the time to solve those problems they have encounter on Linux. They need to learn Bash and spend so much time on search engine to solve those problems. It's not productive at all. So, Linux is not ready for most people. Most people definitely feel frustrated if they encounter problems with their Linux.
For anything that doesn't require a specific software to be used, Linux is perfect. You know, Adobe Cloud alongside other propietary software with propietary extensions. But for more general purooses like web design, software development, workstations, office work and such.
Personally I can't use Linux because some software I use all the time is either impossible to install, unstable (Ableton Live), difficult (Unreal Engine), or just plain doesn't work, and doesn't have an alternative that's good enough (NVIDIA Broadcast). Not to mention the issues with NVIDIA GPUs. I haven't tried on my current desktop (7950X3D + RTX 4090) but I can't imagine it'd be much different to my laptop, despite the newer hardware (and recent Wayland improvements)
I may share a slightly different opinion. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait and am itching to move everything over to linux, but there are key areas in which it definitely falls short. 1. App isolation and sandboxing is a big one. I hope flatpack actually gets more security features and more stringent isolation. It's nowhere close to the competitors' solutions. 2. The second, for laptops at least, gestures and unified scrolling and control. Gnome is by far the closest to have succeeded at this, but the scrolling in firefox and other system widgets is still disconnected. These are perhaps nitpicks, but hey working for hours together on a device, you start to notice these. But Gnome and KDE are making real good advances here! Am pshyced for KDE 6! I really hope this is it! 3. Color profiles, HDR, Proper universal and multi-monitor scaling / support. These are being worked on! Oh boy am excited for 2024, and hope these land properly! 4. Cutting edge hardware support and laptops. Desktops are pretty close, and may lag behind in some cases for support - such as CPU freq scaling for AMD CPUs, and related issues. So it is not always possible to use the latest and greatest hardware, even though ironically, they are usually developed on internal linux supporting dev boxes and servers! Linux tailored laptops are there, but they are usually expensive, aren't available in volume discounts for already existing deals, and are generally more expensive. For example, my G15 2021 is significantly cheaper than a comparable linux model back then. It is only a matter of time before volume makes them cheaper I guess, and I hope to chip in someday! 5. Sleep and power support, especially for laptops. It's getting much better, and I dare say when it works, it is more reliable than windows! 6. Secure boot - full vertical verification. There is some level of secure boot right now, and fedora is actually pushing hard for it, and I hope it lands soon. But even then, due to the very nature of the boot-up process and split "images", it's hard to get right, and isn't supported out of box yet. See "Pid Eins authenticated boot and disc encryption in linux" for many of the points. Some are being addressed sure, but there is still a long way to go. 7. Native apps - This is bit of a nitpick, but webapps are not what I like. Sure I am not going to exclude a while OS just because of that, heck even MS is making the mail and calendar apps webapps now. I really hope the GUI toolkits in linux catch up and provide just as much features as the counterparts - gestures, GPU acceleration, smooth scrolling, scaling But honestly, I genuinely and really am itching to switch, so much so I try out gnome / kde ~every 6 months. I hope the next time I try will be the last, because I don't want to go back to an ad-platform.
Oh! Also, while valve has definitely helped linux and gaming tools, I am kinda worried about its monopoly over the gaming market. And the level of intrusive DRM, if not properly sandboxed, can cause major problems because let's face it, these big companies' software is just one buffer overflow from compromising our systems. All the reason for clearly defined and controlled security layers. Linux puts power in the admin, but it's almost too easy to get to that admin via bad code and wreak havoc on users files. Other OSs have it too, but there are at least some safeguards in place to prevent major damage. I *really* want them! Wine is really amazing, but I hope it can do some of the more modern windows UI too haha, just a wish. I am more than happy to put up with that than deal with windows ads haha. Also, when users request for things on platforms such as reddit for example, they are often met with criticism from devs. I really hope this goes away and becomes a more healthy community. It's not as bad as before, but is still kinda scary nonetheless.
I remember a post in a forum I once read, some ten years ago, complaining how Linux wasn't ready for touchscreens. Sent from an Android phone, of course.
My company gave my a 4k+ Euro MacBook Pro 16, but I'm using my own XPS with half the specs, just because I'm able to run Linux on it. That's the length I'm willing to go to use an OS where I'm productive. I'm a senior software engineer.
I've been daily driving Arch with an i3 gaps setup and then eventually back to Gnome 42 for over 3 years on my personal computers and tbh, everything about it (from the perspective of a software developer) has been great minus Nvidia drivers and support for CUDA hardware acceleration in desktop applications. Of course, I'd love to play certain games which would only run on Windows (Linux gaming has gone a long way). But the only major problem I've had time and time again was some hardware incompatibility with whatever setup I had going. So, that's why eventually, I've moved my main daily driver (which uses Nvidia discrete graphics through Optimus RIP) back to Windows. For all my development work though, hands down some Linux distro would be best (minus some platform-specific development like Swift).
As "professionals" I think most of us would benefit with Linux, but it doesn't help, since it's the enterprise's managers who decide what 'professionals' will use and managers are being told, by the infrastructure-teams running Microsoft systems, that since Linux doesn't come packaged to fit into the MS infrastructure, they won't introduce it. So one reason that Linux doesn't grow in companies (at least the large ones) is that Microsoft seems to hold back in their infrastructure systems (AD, Exchange, Intune, etc) from building functionality that easily onboards a Linux computer. And why should they? Linux is a competitor to one of their biggest products - Windows. But I will keep running my Linux anyway, simply because I need to get stuff done and deliver.
When I worked at Intel the main purpose for my Windows laptop was as a VNC terminal to a SLES 9/10/11 server where all of my work was done. We had pools with hundreds of build servers that we sent jobs off to that were all SLES as well. My employer today has an IT department with a Windows preference, but all of the heavy lifting on build servers is Linux as well.
You can very much make FOSS work professionally; albeit it's a bit of a learning curve at first. I adore the ease of bash scripting and cron to make all of my tasks / log storage much easier.. That's just a small piece of the pie though- I just love being on Linux and being able to nerd out lol.. Not too mention, all entertainment purposes have become very viable in the recent years (as far as gaming and the like). Having control over your system, gaining knowledge much more rapidly, and privacy advocacy are very feel good points of being in its ecosystem. There's a lot of web app support nowadays too, but hey, if you have to use Windows- that's fine too.. Use the tool that works best for you, but don't ever feel daily driving Linux is out of reach for most if you ever want to make the switch.
In last few months I have switched all my PCs at home to Linux, and apart from nVidia issues - it is perfect. Last machine I did is my work desktop, for this one I have switched to Radeon, and wow, not sure if it is one gen of gpu improvement that I went for, but everything feels so much snappier, and on top of it - compatibility with games is awesome. Cities skylines 2, as most drastic example - from zero to hero.
@@dreaper5813 Now I finally get why Linus fingered nVidia. I am changing all GPUs to Radeon - 2 to go, fortunately nVidia is still selling on the second hand market at price I still can get better Radeon with 2x RAM 😀
I did recently switch back to windows on my main rig for my youtube videos. mostly alot of papercuts and because I was switching to windows alot for other things like playing vr games with friends. I still use linux on my laptop but for now its back to windows
