LISA ELDRIDGE VS. VICTORIA BECKHAM | ARE THEY THE SAME PENCIL?! | SEAMLESS GLIDE VS. SATIN KAJAL 

Usually makeup is constructed and designed by chemical laboratories that specialise in creating makeup based on brand owners wishes. An example for that is that most high end eye shadows are made in the same factory in Italy. Most brand owners do not have the know how or ability to truly create an eye shadow or an eye liner… They need people who do know. And that’s why most brands use the same creators laboratories and factories to make them. Just as there companies that are savvy at creating makeup can’t make it on their own as they do not have the faces or people that can make a brand take off on the market. Therefore these collaborations become great symbiotic alliances. And thus very similar formulations can be found in many different brands. Because the formulas are often owned by the lab or factory that makes them. Not by the brands themselves. Lisa discussed this very fact when she launched her cleanser. Which is a product that she is the creator of together with a laboratory. Which means she owns her recipe. Should Victoria Beckham Beauty launch the same style cleanser, they would need her permission to do so. In essence most things soled by brands are formulations created by a third party. The brand Beauty Pie is founded completely on this fact. They source where brands pick up their best selling products and then approaches the real makers of the products and offers them an opportunity to re-sell the same product under a different name under the Beauty pie umbrella. And there is not one thing the original brands can do about it. As they do not own their formulas. Now having said that. An ingredient list is not the same because the same ingredients are used. There are tons of sponge cake recipes that all contains sugar, eggs flower milk and lemon for instance. But still will smell and taste different and be different in consistency. So containing the same ingredients doesn’t say much unless you also see the quantities and how it is combined and prepared. I do however agree that these pencils are very similar and are also similar in the sense that they are a bit different compared to many other formulas in the same genre of eye pencils that are supposed to dry down. They are very tug free which makes them great on more mature eyes though. Also on that demographic it also not a problem that they are more smudge friendly. Since you often then do not want a super sharp line. But on younger skin I can totally get these can create some problems. But that’s just the way it is with makeup. There really is no such thing as one size fits all… About the whys behind not sharing all sorts of reviews. One has to understand. And this is universal. Companies who create and sell products are only interested in one thing and that is to make their stock fly off their shelves. In essence it is always about making money. That is what business is all about. There are no such thing as an altruistic makeup or skincare brand… No matter how lovely a person Lisa Eldridge is - when it comes to create makeup products and sell them - that is about business. And nothing else. It’s not her fault. It’s just what the world of marketing economy is about. And as such they are vulnerable to negative reviews. For obvious reasons. As the market is fickle. All it takes is that an idea like the one you have here goes viral and people begin to believe that her eye pencils are not working - then people will stop buying them. And then the stock will not move from the shelves and in an instant a brand can become in serious debt. No brand can these days afford an altruistic or even “honest” approach… They need people to believe that the products they sell are the best. Otherwise people will not buy them. And that is why you can never make “honest” reviews about a product that the brand will embrace. As it can kill their product and their business in a heartbeat should a broader audience choose to listen to your particular single voice. It does however not mean a brand will not listen. Lisa Eldridge has listened. And for instance her cream blushes, the ones in the tube that she launched a few years ago never returned. Because some people thought the tube was not functioning right… A brand like Lisa’s that I believe is mostly self funded or at least she has a large say in what the brand does. Which is not often the case. But that also makes her brand more vulnerable. As there is not a huge conglomerate behind her to deal with financial problems that will arise if people begin to think a product is not good…

Deb, here's the deal with getting content shared as I see it…or being “ selected” in any scenario…in my opinion, you are very intelligent and actually do such a thorough job that your videos are really elite. The problem is that when you are excellent like that it will rarely appeal to the masses…I mean, the average person just wants things on the surface….and I believe that in your situation it’s simply a numbers game. I love your channel because of how sophisticated it is…but if you think about. It…all the finest things are not the most popular……deep integrity….honest hard work…beauty instead of glamour…you know what I’m saying…you are a classic..own it and you will always succeed..maybe not in the way you want to…but something even better than you imagined most likely. 🙂🙏🏼⭐❤

You have done an awesome job on comparing these two brands. So thorough! I agree with your experience with using the pencils. I am partial to VB beauty. As for my own take, with my oily lids, the colours run. Definitely not long lasting but I love VB variety & find her products have healthier ingredients for the skin, also truly luxe, everything VB puts out. Thank you so much for your review. I’ve learned quite a bit of details from your research! Wonderful & honest review, that’s what we need more of! 💗

The VB liners stay put on me all day. I think you should try application with an angled brush. When I go in directly with any brand of pencil, I get specks of fallout and other transfer. Stamping with a brush will give you the thinnest possible application which I do think does go along way to make it last. Once it dries, you can alway dip the brush in setting spray and stamp over the liner. It literally lasts a 14 hour day for me. I haven’t tried the LE yet since I have so many VBs. RE ingredient list, you can have the same ingredients but the ratios are what make a formula. Consider classic bread: same ingredients, but recipe and technique subtleties make for a very different product.

I totally agree with everything you have said. As far as the "copyright" component when it comes to makeup all they have to do is change the percentages of the ingredients and the hierarchy of the ingredients. It's the same as the fashion industry and even the supplement industry. I have super oily lids and I mean oily lids. By the end of the day, all I have to do is take a tissue and my natural oils work as a makeup remover. I own Victoria Beckham's eyeliners because I enjoy her shades but I NEVER expect any of them to last the whole day. The only way I've had them work for me is really as a base of a base. I use the Hindash color fluid or the Armani tint eye liquid shadow in a neutral color as a primer and then the Victoria Beckham's eyeliner as a wash of color then I pat a shadow over it. The only liners that have ever really lasted on me and what I mean by lasted is that I can still somewhat see them at the end of a work day, have been the hourglass, chanel stylo yeux, the byredo khol pencil, and the milani (drug store) eyeliner. I wish Victoria and Lisa would just make eyeshadow sticks in the colors of their eyeliners but I guess they would have to give us more product for the same price. I know Victoria has eyeshadow sticks but I wish she would bring out more shades. If it makes you feel better I can tell when other reviewers are "sucker upers" and I don't trust them as much. I can tell when smaller chanels start small and then all of a sudden get PR and ALL the product they receive always gets 5 star reviews. I appreciate your thorough and honest reviews.

Stay honest and genuine, I really distrust RU-vidrs who say positive things about a product I’ve tried and know is terrible. It’s a real shame brands only favour the bloggers who lie for free products, misleading thousands of people - all considering parting with their hard earned money for a product they give positive reviews, when morally that’s plain wrong! I bought the LE pencils after a RU-vidr I watch raved about them, and now I don’t trust her! I love the LE lip glosses and cleanser but I’d rather this was a safe space where the comparison to other products out there speak for themselves. Thank you for your genuine feedback, it should only serve to push brands to re formulate and take on customer feedback, not just employee flattery xx

Thanks for this comparison! It's so helpful and clear! I have something to say about the last part of your video. I have been a Lisa Eldridge fan for years. And I started to like her and her products even more thanks to your RU-vid channel, Deborah! Your reviews are always honest and timely, as well as elegant and classy. Thank you for all your hard work! I wish you jaw-dropping collaborations with Lisa in the near future. You deserve it more than anyone else! XX

This video is coming just at the right time.😊 I've ordered Sea Grey from VB a couple of days ago and I have a few from LE. Always wondered how they compare. I do agree with you on the wear of LE eye liners. I honestly expected a bit more.

I'm glad I didn't fall for any of these pencils. I love Lisa's velvet lipsticks, Ribbon is my favourite, I had big hopes for Velveteens- it didn't work for me-last even shorter than her velvet lipstick and I found it difficult to apply evenly. that's why I didn't buy eye pencils when they launched. I had the chance to visit her stand in Liberty London and tried them-beside beautiful shades they are nothing stand out.

Appreciate the honest review. From my own experience with both pencils, I had great results with LE and terrible ones with the VB pencil. I was surprised to hear you say that the LE smudged on you because it only slightly fades on me after a long day and lasts through a whole evening out. Also when I swatch on the back of my hand, it’s kind of a chore to get it off. Only speaking for me personally, the LE pencils are my dream pencil that I have tried to find for years. Unfortunately the VB pencil smudged and faded and I never even bother with it anymore. It really goes to show that products perform differently on everyone. I’m learning through your video that I probably do not have oily lids. I would hazard a guess that the testers for these products also didn’t have oily lids. Perhaps a good lesson here for each brand is to do further testing on different skin types.

I placed an order last weekend and added Renaissance Gold as I was curious about the quality. The liner glides extremly smooth and I love the colour. I prefer the grungy look and for this style the liner works very well. I used it in the upper waterline and it stayed put well enough. Usually I use a very hard Lancome or MAC one for this purpose and I did not notice much difference. So yes, easily smudgeable and moving a lot yet quite lasting in the waterline which surprised me. I do not own VB but I plan purchasing a more unique colour from her line. Due to your comparison I am even more interested in the liner. Thank you 🖤

I’m here for the snatched face !!!

I love the Lisa Eldridge Makeup, but the eye liners are no good for me. I did get a refund, which is very good service. I like Surfside from Victoria Beckham as a very thin line/smudge for a pop of color for my pale skin and blue/green eyes. I really appreciate your honest and very useful reviews. I hope the LE Team can appreciate that as well. It’s a great quality of your channel.

Hi Deborah, I really enjoyed this review and hearing your thoughts on not only the products but also the brand and customer service. I just want to say, as a viewer, how much I appreciate your honesty, and efforts that you put into your videos, hosting giveaways, etc. For the customer service, I have to say my personal experience with Lisa’s team has been best in class thus far. However, I have a feeling, since her expansion into major retailers this year, that it’s not going to improve her customer service one bit. I only hope that as her brand continues to grow, she continues to develop products and hold her customer service team to her same high standard, as well as selecting retail partners that are aligned with her brand’s philosophy. I’m not a huge Pat McGrath fan, but I follow her releases because I love a lot of the content creators that love her brand. And it seems to be a very sad state of affairs with her Mothership palettes. I really hope for more from Lisa. But at the end of the day, I recognize this is a business and a brand after all. Sending you warm wishes from America. ❤

Many thanks for this review. I would have liked to have a comparison of Victoria Beckham's Satin Kajal Liner vs Charlotte Tilbury's Color Chameleon's in terms of durability and smudge proofness. If possible 😊

I believe we are all here watching and supporting you because of your honesty and integrity and thoroughness. I haven’t tried any IG the LE eye pencils and I’m not sure that I will. I have several of the VBB eye pencils; the colours are beautiful and glide on effortlessly but I am very careful about how I use them (with primer and over powder eyeshadow) so I don’t end up looking Iike a raccoon! I hope you are keeping well Deb 🥰oxox

I love the LE eye liners. So easy to use, they just glide on. I have no way to compare to the VB ones (not available where I live). But I am happy with what I have

I would agree that I noticed what you’re describing. I’m not sure that I understand it either. But I love your reviews - I feel like I can honestly rely on them for information. They do play into my buying decisions!

Thank you for this. My eyelids are super oily. So I will take this into consideration

I'm so glad that I found your honest and direct channel. I hope you do many more videos. New subbie as of today. Thank you for your integrity.

Both liners are likely made in the same lab or similar ones. The ingredients are mostly the same but not exact and they are in a different order so they are technically still their own formulas. A lot of makeup production involves telling the lab you want something like X formula but more waxy or more something and they modify as needed until you have your own formula. As long as it’s not the exactly identical it’s fine. The copy right some formulas have is for the specific formula/recipe so you can be similar as long as it’s not a direct copy. They are also mostly common ingredients like silica and silicone.

I’m Team VB, I think LE designs for editorial looks that look great shortly after application, with vibrancy in color and for photography whereas VB designs for long wear as she wants something that’s going to last all night and if she’s caught by the paparazzi.

I have one VB liner and two from LE (a matte and a shimmer) and the LE last all day on me and the VB melt away within a couple hours. I have to use a primer with any eye pencil and have with both. Also since you mentioned contacting the brands, I haven’t had to ask LE about the liner but when I reached out to VB they didn’t respond just refunded my order. So for my oily eyes the LE is much better.

Refreshingly honest and helpful Deborah. Keep doing you - integrity is everything imho. Warm regards ❤

Knowing you are a big fan of LE,I appreciated more that you stick to the reality and honesty about their products.It's understandable one brand prefers to share more positive feedback instead of neutral or criticism cause this's their business,one of the business' cores is to make more profit,that's the nature,please don't worry about whether their team like you or not,basically the company take the criticism quietly but doesn't like more other people notice cause there are too many competitors in the industry.Again this's showing the precious value as some content creators like you.Much loved ❤❤❤

Great honest review of these two brands eye pencils.

I really like the color of the VB eye pencils but like you said, they don't stay for the whole day. I now use them as eyeshadow and when I finish them, I don't think I would buy them again.

Wish😊 Will you consider making a top 3, or something like that, of budge proof eyeliners. Best for waterline etc.

I completely agree with every. 👏🏻Word. 👏🏻You. 👏🏻Said.👏🏻 I share your disappointment. I do think it’s upsetting that you aren’t featured more. Sometimes it feels like a popularity game. I remember when you reviewed the LE pencils and I was like, “oh no, these are going to be just like VB’s!” I didn’t buy any. I thought about it but in the end I skipped. I agree with the longevity problem. I can’t wear the VB in the water line at all. 😮😢 Thanks for being so honest and real!!! And not a suck up!!! 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤

I have yet to find an eyeliner that does not smudge on me and was considering VB because I heard so much good things about it but glad I watched your review! Do you know any pencil liner that recommended that is smudge proof ? Your options/ observations are totally valid and I hear you ! There is no need to sugarcoat everything and so Is it so important to share experiences and be honest. I’m sure many people including me appreciate content like this because most of the time we are bombarded with promo like reviews which gets very boring .

I appreciate your honest review. Ah its hard to comment this, because yes other content creators, choose or just say its great, or kind of just go through the surface. Not really accentuate, that the brand’s claims are not truth, in other ways , to be very diplomatic. I cant judge anyone. I kind of already know, which content creator, i am going to watch , to get those true answers, and there are a few. But i still watch the « others », just for a different reason. So you know yourself, that brands not going to like it, so its such a thin line, ah and its sad. I want to say Stay true to yourself, but at the same time, i want your channel to grow, and get sponsorships🙏🙏🙏 Have a blessed day🙏❤️

I also have multiple Lisa Eldridges pencils. They fade on me. After a few hours, they are nearly gone. And I mean after 4 hrs. Applying feels great. Glide beautifully, but…not after that promise. Proven 16hrs wear? Never. 😂

I am a HUGE Lisa cosmetics and HUGE VB cosmetics fan!!! I have many cosmetics from both but the LE eyeliners were NOT it worked as good as a maybelline liner it smudged and moved everywhere 😢 looking forward to future cosmetics from both though!

Try the new pencil eyeliner by laura mercier ❤

Stay honest please 😘