This is one of a few stories about what happened when Chopin and Liszt met. How accurate I can't say, but it was from living memory of their lifetimes: One evening, while assembled in a salon, Liszt played one of Chopin’s nocturnes, to which he took the liberty of adding some embellishments. Chopin’s delicate intellectual face, which still bore the traces of recent illness, looked disturbed; at last he could not control himself any longer, he said, “I beg you, my dear friend, when you do me the honor of playing my compositions, to play them as they are written or else not at all.” “Play it yourself then,” said Liszt, rising from the piano, rather piqued. “With pleasure,” answered Chopin. At that moment a moth fell into the lamp and extinguished it. They were going to light it again when Chopin cried, “No, put out all the lamps, the moonlight is quite enough.” Then he began to improvise and played for nearly an hour. And what an improvisation it was! Description would be impossible, for the feelings awakened by Chopin’s magic fingers are not transferable into words. When he left the piano his audience were in tears; Liszt was deeply affected, and said to Chopin, as he embraced him, “Yes, my friend, you were right; works like yours ought not to be meddled with; other people’s alterations only spoil them. You are a true poet.” “Oh, it is nothing,” returned Chopin, gaily, “We have each our own style.” (Nowakowski, in Karasowski, Semptember 1874)
My Great Great Great Great grandfather was there an in he confirms this story. It was passed down never changed. He also said that sometime Chopin would only shave one side of his face the side that faces the crowd for his own pleasure of knowing that know knew except him. He got off on doing stuff like that.
I never read about that anywhere in a biography, but that is very possible. He would improvise for hours all the time, in fact it was how he usually performed for people at soirees, rather than playing his own compositions. He also liked playing in the dark.
Ludwig Van Beethoven And Chopin like Anakin was also tempted by a brunette! But Herr Ludwig, what is your opinion of his music? Not quite as majestic as yours. Though that heroic Polonaise may be something you might like.
fun fact: Liszt would purposefully tune the piano wrongly and play aggressively so the strings would snap and he would improvise around the broken strings
A Man Has No Name like I said this piece was private for Chopin, and side note, Chopin actually didn't play that much for others because he was known for his brilliant playing. ;)
He was playing in salons and to royalty. In those times you could play for royalty but not for money, you could go on a walk with them and be seen with them which elevated your status.
Hahaha Chopin sitting down and playing like that in front of everybody and mocking Liszt. Chopin who did 5 concerts in his life and hated to be the centre of attention.
@CleXz I slowed down the video to see the first notes Left hand is alright Right hand seems to change the notes a little And I don't think someone who fakes piano playing has.. rather flashy fingers I tried playing like that and nope. He's an experienced pianist
@@hannahquintua BROOO it's the second time I read this. NO. Chopin wasn't an anti-semite. He had a trouble with 2 jews and wrote a letter talking bad things about them. Check your fonts man.
Serene Siew HM when chopin left poland he kind of left for what would be a better start. poland was under alot of pressure at the time. so a famous young composer who could put poland on the map like beethoven and mozart did vienna, sort of speaking was knowest by a number of wealthy and political leaders. you can imagine they were not all to happy. and i also belive poland was in a conflict with russia. so its not surprising people being angry chopin ran off in their minds.
Chopin could be really temperamental - how could one write dramatic pieces as, say, his Prélude op. 28 no. 22 and not be? Several of his Parisian experienced this side of Chopin when receiving education in piano-playing from him. As I remember it, occasionally, when in difficult mood, he would raise his voice, close to shouting, and slam his hand in the table, breaking his goose-feather pen - those were referred to as 'stormy lessons'. But he was also was jocular, and good at impersonating, and in family settings (with George sand and children), he liked to rehearse and perform puppet-theater.
Liszt was always trying to out do the piano and out do music. His whole effort was to transcend both. Chopin was in love with music, in love with the piano. He was the piano. Even Liszt, being the better pianist, had to admit that Chopin was the better musician and composer.
The Hungarian Rhapsody is a work straight from the muse herself. They had very different styles but to call one better the other? I think they are beyond the threshold of mere competition.
A beautiful, sensitive, Polish actor who portrays Chopin and his soul and Polish one so well. This is one of the best clips from the movie. I have watched the full movie on YT many times.
@@abubakrshoaliev2775 it is "Chopin Desire for Love" on CD, DVD? A Translated title?? Most probably the same Full! Polish movie, as on YT in English with Spanish subtitles Under "Chopin, un amor imposible". 2002 There is also a British movie on Chopin, 1991?, CD? Have not seen it, just clips on YT. With Hugh Grant, Judy Davis. Hope it helps.
@@abubakrshoaliev2775 hello Abubakr again. if you like Chopin like I do, there are 2 great pianists on YT playing the beautiful Impromptu (Fantasie) after which one movie was named. Dmitry Shishkin and the lovely, elegant Anastasia Huppmann (russian-austrian).
Some scenes in the movie show Chopin leaving and 'saying good by' to his homeland - Poland (war, Russian soldier destroying the piano, carriage, escape, etc). During his trip-escape to France through Stuttgart he wrote "Stuttgard's Diary" in which he discribes his state of mind: thoughts and feelings, about his homeland and about the fall of the November's Uprising against Russian occupier). In the movie you can see also the weeping willow trees which are very characteristic to Poland and represent mourning. Chopin was born in 1810 in Zelazowa Wola, near of Warsaw, and left Poland when was 20 years old. Never seen his homeland again. Died in 1849 in Paris at the age of 39 years old (probably for tuberculosis). This is the reason why in his music is so much longing (homesickness), sadness and nostalgia. It is good to know the context (bigger picture) of his feelings and by what he was driven while creating his materpices. Since 1772 up to 1918 Poland was wipped off of the Europe's map and then split for nearly 150 years between Prusia, Russia, Habsburg's Empire and Austro-Hungerian Empire. Polish people where not allowed to speak their own language even at home what could yield in sending to Siberia. Chopin's Polish name is Szopen. I hope this information will help you better understand and feel Szopen/Chopin's music.
@Lisztian why, they surely can. youve just started one- lisztians for liszt fans. the only thing we need to do now is brainstorm fandom names for other classical composers
just a name no, thats not what the story is at all. Chopin actually had a lot of works that he wrote down, never performed, and importnalty never published as he had very high standards for himself and viewed those works as sub-par. After his death most of these works were discovered as even tho chopin didnt not like them, he also couldnt bring himself to get rid of them and they were the published as op.posth. The a minor waltz was one of these pieces
A lovely friend of ours will turn 99 in December and being both Polish and a former classical pianist, adores Chopin. Although Alzheimer's is beginning to take her mind, when we visit she always remembers to request Chopin. So my son, who plays in a manner similar to Chopin and Debussy, obliged by learning several of Chopin's works. He even went as far as "completing" Chopin's posthumous Waltz in A minor. It never fails to bring a smile to her sweetly weathered face and a peaceful spirit to her home. I am convinced all great music is played from the heart, and is felt as well as heard.
I can't understand why so many complain that actor playing Chopin is not exactly like him. Excuse me, what??? First of all, the film was made in Poland with polish actors. Do you think, that there are hundreds actors there, who look like Chopin? Piotr Adamczyk, who played this role is perfect , because he has delicate, elegant, subtle and a liitle bit neurotic face, exactly like Chopin. He doesn't have to look exactly like him, it's a matter of impression that he make and Adamczyk made it really good. I believed him , believed in his story. It's not Brad Pitt. :)))) And very good.....
haha, and Liszt was not polish he was hungarian. Beside the actor did not need to be polish to portray Chopin. As I am sure you know, Frédéric was a polish citizen but biologically half French from his French father who came from the French region of Lorraine to Poland to teach French in a boarding school. But, to be perfectly honest, i think the actors feel historically accurate, i am especially pleased with the portray of Liszt's character and demeanor it's quite close to what i imagined. Also would you be annoyed to know that Chopin wrote his handwritten letters to his father in French and not in Polish (he would use polish for his other relatives) ? Chopin was a French-Pole. The son of an immigrant French father.
goognam goognws Chopin, while he might have been biologically half French his soul was fully Polish. He wrote Polonaises and always said of himself as a Pole.
@@mateuszloniewski might have been, ?! You are funny there, he WAS biologicaly half-french. I know the french region his grandparents and his father lived in. And he always wrote his correspondance to his father in French. His father almost certainly always talked to Frédéric in French so that he acquired the language. He wanted his soul to be Polish, but there is a difference between what one wants and what one is. Most likely he wasn't interested in his father's family because of their modest origins but would rather spend time with high society regardless of nationality.
@@goognamgoognw6637 Excuse me, he also was born in Żelazowa Wola and spent his childhood, teenage years and twenties there. He finished a polish highschool and university. He spoke polish, he wrote letters in polish and he composed his pieces in a polish spirit, using polish national dances. Don't come to me with the audacity to accuse Chopin of not being a polish composer, I beg of you.
Upon further review I have to repeat and re-confirm even more so that these two performances are amoungst the best interpretations I have ever heard by any pianists of these two Chopin works. The REVOLUTIONARY played by the LISZT actor and the Polonaise played by the Chopin actor have some of the most interesting dynamics, accents and phrasing I have ever heard in performance of these pieces. I wonder who decided on these interpretations....absolutely great
I cannot even comprehend Chopin and Liszt being in the same room--the two greatest pianists that ever lived! But I always felt that Chopin sought to bring out the 'soul' of the piano, whereas Liszt wanted to compose the most technically 'unplayable ' pieces, which sacrificed the melodic line.
I presume you're not a pianist, because you're talking out of your a**. Liszt is pianistically very comfortable, often "easier" to play than Chopin. Liszt's octaves and sequences of diminished chords aren't that hard, compared to Chopin's more intricate passages. Their styles of composing are very different though, so it's useless to compare in any aspect. I wouldn't say either of them "sacrificed the melodic line", they just embellish and texture differently. I think composers like Schumann or Brahms are usually way closer to "unplayable" than Liszt. They didn't really perform their works on the piano like Liszt did, and you can really tell the difference when you've played a dozen works from each one.
You obviously have not listened to enough Liszt...there are sections of his second piano concerto and many of his later pieces that have the most beautiful melodic content ever written for piano.
I remind you that Carl Czerny was a teacher of Liszt and Thalberg, was a teacher of those who were masters of Rubinstein, Rachmaninov, Moszkowski, Barenboim and many more! From my point of view Czerny was more virtuous than Liszt and Chopin a clear example of this is the Op.365 School of Virtuoso, Op.400 School of Prelude and Fugue, Op.692 24 Grand Etudes, Op. 756 25 Great etudes
I humbly disagree. In my opinion, Liszt is actually more direct and passionate towards the feeling, or the soul, while Chopin's works are more melodic, but more indirect. In term of difficulty......Actually, I would say Chopin's works are on average slightly harder than Liszt's...
Nunca ha habido un Compositor ,de esta Calidad y tan Romántico , del Piano ..como Frederic Chopen . Tan Prolífica su Obra ..Sus Estudios como el Revolucionario ...so tan hermosos , y con cierto grado de Dificultad que se los dedicó al Gran Franz Liszt ...Preludios , Nocturnos , Mazurcas , Squerzos , Baladas , Conciertos a mi en lo particular me encanta el 2° . Y sus Valses . Murió tan joven , por la Tuberculosis ..que no me explico cómo pudo componer tanto , estando enfermo . Polonia ha dado al Mundo , Científicos como Madame Curie , Chopin , y el Santo.Juan Pablo II , Papa de la Iglesia Católica ..perdón por extenderme ...amo a esa Nación ..Gracias por subir ese pequeño corto de su Película .🎹🎼🎶🎵👏👏👏👏👏💖💞😘😘😘
In my imagination, Chopin only plays in complete darkness in a room that is lit, perhaps, only by a single candle. He would not take off his gloves when he plays and there would be no more than 20 people in attendance.
Andrew Marcus - I assume you're not a pianist because wearing gloves while playing (well) is darned near impossible. Playing while blindfolded is quite doable, but while wearing gloves, no. In college, however, the piano practice rooms were sometimes cold, so I wore fingerless gloves. Even those were cumbersome.
@@Andrea-xs4ny the original comment got some details right though. Chopin sometimes played in the dark, and he preferred to play in a salon or to a group of his close friends (usually less than 20 or even less than 10) because he thought it was far more intimate. For the gloves part? Ehh, I'm not sure about that.
@@cinnamonsteakhaus9013 Hi, there. I agree with you 100% and didn't contradict any of what you said. It was only the wearing of the gloves while playing piano that is not do-able.
Haber imaginado y transmitido la emoción a través del tiempo y el espacio por la sensibilidad de Liszt y Chopin,dejan una huella indeleble en el alma de quien la escuche por todos los tiempos.
Chopin interpretaba el piano como si acariciaba las teclas. Es como se aprecia el valor de un instrumento musical y su armonía musical. Valiosísimo. Gracias.
Oscar Laredo Well, a few of the pieces Chopin plays like the waltz or the nocturne were released publicly after his death. Chopin also generally hated to be the center of attention, which is why he only performed in about 30 concerts during his entire career
@@pineapple7024We all know Chopin disliked to play in front of large audiences, this is not the case. My comments come from an appreciation point of the movie. We can see a good mannerism of Liszt when he raised his hands up at the end of the Revolutionary Etude. Also, a George Sand with this air of a liberated intellectual and unique woman as the books show us. How it was, how Liszt played the piano or Chopin? We will never exactly know. That's why movies, history or personal opinions are not 100% accurate, just recordings and videos.
One of my best memories is when I went to a judging and played nocturne op9 no2 and the waltz in a minor. I was awarded with the highest ranking and although I remember the event I wish I had a video recording of it. Only my grandpa came because he took me there. I’m very proud that he was able to see me perform those two pieces.
Yo adoro a Chopin,su sensibilidad con el piano me conmueve y me llega al alma desde siempre. Para mí, siempre será el mejor. Muchas gracias por compartir con nosotros ésta pieza de la película,me gustaría poder verla entera. Si alguien me puede informar del título,me haría un gran favor,y si la pudiera encontrar, sería un gran regalo. Adoro a Chopin desde que tenía siete años, ahora tengo 61. Mil gracias.🎼🎶❤💕👏👏👏
Maravilhoso Chopin! Sua genialidade e delicadeza de sentimentos expressavam no dedilhar do piano. E mesmo no grito de protesto que ele expressou na POLONAISE N°6 "HEROICA", tinha uma expressam romântica. E Liszt, trazia a paixão eterna em suas danças Húngaras e Liberstraume. Enfim são dois compositores e intérpretes bem diferentes em suas interpretações.
Hermosa película, triste la vida de mi compositor favorito. Bellas locaciones. No sabía que la condesa Rothschild , patrocinó grandes músicos de la época. Bravo!!! Fascinante película
Y eso no es del todo posible cuando hay un compositor como Franz Liszt. La técnica pianística de Liszt por sí sola estaba muy por delante de la de Chopin, por no hablar de las habilidades de orquestación.
@@levyhurtado5609 para darle mas realismo a la pelicula deberian haberla grabado en un piano de la epoca... los instrumentos del Siglo 19 no sonaban ni por asomo como este
Litz connected with a type of emotion and Chopin created music that was his mental and emotional expression in a score...one of the greatest in history.
They are both immortal as their music lives 'forever' - as far as this life concerns... I got the shivers up my neck when Chopin started playing at 4:18
Revolutionary Etude Nocturne in C# minor Heroic Polonaise Hungarian Rhasphody no 5 idk Ok, so I came back after a year and made some revisions. “Hungarian Rhasphody no 5” is obviously no. 2 And the thing I didn’t know was Chopin’s Waltz in A minor posthumous
Piotr Adamczyk u r very good actor, don’t care what people says here about ur role..., congratulations! I am very emotional about Chopin’ s life and his music. You did very good job with Stanka🍷👌🍷👌🍷
No, George Sand no pudo ir esa noche porque estaba acatarrada. La mujer que fuma es Lili Habermans, la hija del conserje, que se colaba en todas las fiestas.
Whenever Liszt or Chopin finished an etude, they would send it to each other and mock each other (in a friendly way) like "HA! thats cute. Mazeppa you say? I played it with my toes. Got anything else?"
elwafi kai youre all stupid, none of you even heard about Alkan, he was better than Liszt, chopin, beethoven or anyone else, Liszt himself said that he would never dare to compete against Alkan
We have this guy down my local pub. For a pint of guinness, he'll play "Knees up Mother Brown" on their piano. He's quite good. Nearly as good as these two. I've not requested any Liszt or Chopin off him yet, but I'm sure he could manage it if it didn't matter that the piano is missing some notes that the dog ate.
John Roland - That is what I do. I can play any music put in front of me, whether on piano, organ, or woodwinds. I am not so good playing by ear, though.
