Lizardmen vs Ogre Kingdoms Warhammer The Old World Battle Report 

Yeah dude that's what we love some much out this!

The unfathomable range of the dices.

Released out of its cage!

i though the same thing at first! Funny thing is, its way better for the Slann. This give me an idea for a video that must be made!

I like the sentiment, but do we have to refer to it as “barebacking”? That’s conjuring up images I normally have to search DeviantArt to find… 🤣🤣🤣

Leave combat to the saurus, as the old ones intended. Also looks way better than the 8th ed solo stoner Slann. Thanks for all the ace content and keep it up! @@MountainMiniatures

yeah, that errata came out after I filmed this game

Nah its all good, i get to excited when i play, i try to remind myself to talk slower, but i never seem to

And? Whau do you think of the Pdf.

His sarcasm ;)

Yeah, he seems like the kind of dude I like playing against.

think they had early access

oh I like that!

I thought the high ground bonus only comes if you are on high ground, not that you came down from it in this edition. Am I missing something?

Part of the base was still on the hill

Noted ill look into that. They might not be able to. But force of habit. As soon as i get to my rule book ill check

Wednesday night 5pm est Vampire Counts vs Dark Elves

happy birth…wait a second

This is only true, if you play without terrain like they do. Making the unit too wide will hinder your maneouvrebility a lot on a sensible table that's not just "okay, lets move all our pieces into the middle of the table and roll dice for 6 rounds"

@@leichtmeister that’s very true regarding manoeuvrability. However if you wish to add a character then it does need to be 4xX but I suppose not for every unit!

It's 6th with a few updates to improve it, essentially. As core rules, 7th was better than 6th - common sense changes like codifying fast cavalry and restricting panic checks to running through rather than just running past units were so successful no one remembers 6th didn't have them. 6th was the best edition of WFB before now less because of the core rules but because it was the one edition that got both army balance and balance between heroes/monsters and units right. From all the feedback so far Old World is a step forward in that as well, so there seems nothing wrong in judging it better than 6th. Quite frankly GW makes far better games now than it did in the 2000s, almost across the board - the worst game they've released since the debacle that was AoS 1 back in 2015 is Legiones Imperialis, essentially because it was a copy-pasted ruleset from 1992 and so seems exceptionally poor when compared against all modern GW games.

yes

Couldnt disagree with this more. Slann was lack luster my first read. but a few games i think the Slann is top tier mage. Im gonna have to make an update video about all my first impressions that have changed.

@@MountainMiniatures That you will have to explain to me. The only special thing they get are the disciplines (can only get one), no bonuses no special rules, and being large target they have to be near TG to not become a pin cushion or charged. That also limits its movement. I cant say they are bad for the points yet. They are just *unspecial*.

@@detorrV2 You haven't played yet right? The best way to run wizards are on their own, on a flaying mount. You say hes 100 points more then anyone else's wizard, but doesn't get anything. He has 5 wounds not the 3 every one else has, he has a 5+ ward save, he has large target, he can see over other minis, he has fly built in, something your going to need to buy for every other wizard. I mean NEED, i will have every wizard i can on some mount that can fly. They are a steal at 285

@@MountainMiniatures i rather have an easily untargeteable character than the extra capabilities. But i'll see, i'll see.

@@grlmgor Sure, but i prefer to have the option, and to be hiding behind or inside an infantry unit. Being big is a disadvantage more than an advantage. You dont want to be targeted by the entire table.

correct

It is only on their hand weapons, and i only used it on their hand weapons in this video.

@@MountainMiniatures ah missed that, the 8th rule habit popping up in my mind of you fight with your special weapon no choice

@@RS-fu6yc My dude all my 8th ed biases are doing a number on me too! lol

I rolled a 5 and a 2. you only keep the high dice. so i rolled a 5, i needed a 6

@@MountainMiniatures Thank you for the reply. That will make for a lot of missed charges :-( wonder why they did that

no, only modells in base to base are allowed to attack

No, all models in front rank attack, but those not in bae to bae only get 1 attack

Since the basically play without terrain, their lists are...not good too.

@@leichtmeister Warhammer was never played with a "lot" of terrain. Units still need to reverse the board and they do so in a significantly slower manner than games like AOS. A few woods, a ruin/pond maybe a couple of hills is all you use. You don't want a terrain cluttered table.. so that's a moot point. In terms of lists. Steve makes a point of saying the lists aren't competitive..they are here to entertain with a good game. Not table each other in two moves..my question was aimed at this style of play over tournament lists.as that's what I'll be focusing on

@@benbiddiss336 Sorry, but you are wrong. 🤷 Warhammer was ALWAYS played with terrain actually being on the battlefield and not just some pieces at the very edges that don't impact the game at all and a huge open space in the middle. It was also never possible to table somebody in two moves. That's an AoS thing. You asked if MSU is dead. That is clearly a question about the functionality of the concept. If you were just about the fun, you wouldn't ask this question. Btw: MSU was always very dependent on having terrain being on the table, because you needed to hide your units from enemy shooting ;)

@@grlmgor multiple small units Instead of taking 1 big block of 20-30 guys, you take 2-4 5-10 man units, on their own they won't be much other than speed bumps, but together they used to hit harder than one block when they charge and fight together, while also providing more mobility allowing them to get into annoying places like flanks of units

@@leichtmeister "sorry but I'm wrong"? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pissed myself reading that ! OR you played in different circles to me who played the game different. 25 years playing old fantasy before it was killed off. Sorry to say I didn't get to try WAP as fantasy died in my area when GW killed it . Bit certainly old fantasy, whether my house, a friend's, many clubs and events I went to, all Had way less terrain than games you see today. That's my experience of the game and the experiences of the people I will play. Don't assume the entire community plays the game YOUR way

nope

It's only panic and break tests now.

they are out on Warhammer Community

They only fight again if the enemy unit was engaged in combat at the start of the phase and that combat has not been fought yet. So since the unit the chariot overran into wasn't in combat, there isn't an additional combat

get some adapters or even cardboard cut at the size to give it a shot :) no need to rebase

lizardmen are definitely not weak imo. Play some games with them, they do great.

​@@MountainMiniatures I strugling enought agains't ogre in 8th (Draw yesterday) and CoC is my favorite unit who already fail engouh stupidity test ; ( And even without talking about strengh, it lack fun and flavor for my taste. The tool of a legacy faction i suppose. But thank for your answer, it keep a little hope, i will be less reluctant if someday my friends want to jump out 8th for TOW.

Cool timing huh!

Ogre Kingdoms used to win battles? I obviously fell out of the loop in later editions. Back when they came out they were awful. Monstrous infantry in general was bad, and an army made up of it seemingly purely to try and sell the game to people put off by large model count armies was set up to fail from the start.

You wont, the bases size increase it pretty universal. We may still go back an play older editions from time to time.

I'll gladly play the unsupported

you played a lot of “the old world” with your ogres already I take it?

Agree, the ogre player is a noob. Make sure he sticks to playing orcs in the future

@@MountainMiniatures I've played ogres 6th 7th 8th and armies project. Unless they reinvented the wheel for ogres for the old world I'm sure it would be similar to one of those games. Iron guts are devastating!! Why in the wide world of sports would you not use your war machine to shoot? That iron blaster shoots a cannonballs like grapeshot!

@@JonPayne777 use Big blocks of those iron guts to roll up in there and get sloppy!

@@JonPayne777 Hes banned from the channel. I wont have his inexperience ruining otherwise perfect RU-vid batreps any more.