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For all the people complaining about the trees being cut down, they are replanted as part of a forest mangament lease. In Canada were Iam we average 9000 fires in a year destroying over 2.5 million heactares of forest or 25 000 square kilometres. These areas are often replanted or left to regenerate on there own, the pines need a fire to reseed themselves. Government foresters monitor the health of our forests and make choices based on scientific research as the best thing to do. Sometimes thats clear cut logging, or selective logging to battle diseases. Certain species of trees only live so long and start to die then diease and insects come along so we harvest them before it happens.
Hydraulic crane with grapple? I work on a timber carrier and that's the only way we're getting loaded. It's fast and those cranes can get really big. MANTSINEN 300 is a beast.
Manish Agarwal This shows a dock area in Astoria Oregon USA. The bridge in the background is the Astoria-Megler Bridge crossing the Columbia River to the State of Washington. That bridge is about 6.55 km long. The ship pictured is oriented more or less north and south.
Thank you for the video. This appears to b a time consuming, not to say dangerous process. If I may, a couple questions. How are the logs in the hold secured? The same cargo tiedown strap? I would Not want to have to go into the holds in a storm to secure the logs if they ever got loose! Also, How does the supercargo calculate the weight and centers of gravity for a cargo consisting of varying density/weight like logs? Again, thanks for this and all your videos.
The logs are not secured in the cargo holds, they are filled up to the brim, so much movement is not possible. As I am from the engine department I do not know about cargo calculations, I only know they load until a certain draft mark is reached, taking into account a certain weight for water, snow and ice accumulating on deck.
Jeez. There has to be a better way. I've decided I will devote my life to timber-loading efficiency in the hopes of bettering the process for mankind. I will spend almost every waking hour studying how it's done around the world, delving into the history books to unlock the secrets of how our ancestors used to load timber onto large cargo ships.
Hey Wolfgang did you take down the video of the logs going over the side and you guys going over the edge to part the cables? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
@@xfhnhhgjbvcfg I think they use chains as the weigh less than a grab, too much weight above the water line can cause stability issues and could easily capsize the ship.
I was once a shipping executive for a logs exporting firm in Sarawak. I was responsible for the ship space, ship loading capacity and documentation, The logs here were so beautifully trimmed. I am so familiar with the stevedoring loading the logs into the hatches.
This is one step of HOW Chinese-made oak furniture gets to American retailers. We grow the oak here, and ship it over there. They carve it up, and make furniture out of it, and ship the furniture back to us. For the "WHY" part, you'll have to ask most corporations.
on Lake Superior in November and December the weather became really bad so logs were often lost overboard BUT some enterprising guy developed a way to get 100 year old logs from the bottom - they were in great condition:)
That's a big business, there are guy digging up tree's from under the muck in rivers, some were lost when they were logging, but others are down there from floods and storms, they claim some of them are thousands of years old. They need oxygen to rot, without it they last forever, it's pretty cool.
I knew it as a Crankston, but I could not find any information online, they are usually owned by the Stevedores onshore, they are very heavy, we had to hook them up to the crane and oil them before each shift, they could easily fall over and smash your leg while connecting them up.
+twoaxis they used big grabbers and did not bother to damage the logs, some logs got broken in the process. Unfortunately I left the ship and had no time to record the unloading. I have only one picture which I wanted to upload, but I could not find a way to do it.
yes, indeed very common, not only with logs, also with all sorts of general cargo. If the holds are full and the maximum capacity of the vessel is not yet reached, loading will continue on top of the holds. Certainly not with bulk cargo or heavy cargo like steel coils or bars, in such a case the maximum loading capacity of the vessel is already reached before the holds are full.
@@terryrack2534 a couple years ago we had a safety audit and lecture from a guy that is from New Zealand, he was a great speaker and told some interesting stories about how they log there. I guess the Port Blakely tree farm here is owned by a New Zealand company and he was in charge of part of their safety program. From what he said, you guys have really done a great job over the last 30 years or so of improving safety down there.
@@terryrack2534 yeah that is pretty much what he said. The 80's and 90's sounded like they were a wake up call in the industry there. He talked about a family he knew that within a 6 or 7 year period the father and two sons all died because of poor safety procedures and unwillingness to change their ways.
Those look like quality logs that we're selling to foreign countries they should be staying in there original origin. how did they know there's no insects and pests inside of those logs
You should have showed the wharfies on the ground slinging the logs up. I used to work on the port doing this in N.Z. Those wire ropes are extremely dangerous, especially on windy days when we have to catch them by hand when the crane operator lowers them down to the warf, also logs could randomly slip out from the holds and take your leg off if you aren't alert.
where did it come from.. and where does all this wood go? and what was the destination (use) of these woods? industries or for civil construction? Do you know?
- The port is in Oregon, USA, at the Columbia river. There are a few more ports like this up and down the river. We carried the wood to China, but it is also exported to Korea and Japan. What for it was used I do not know.
I know it as a Crankston, however I can't find the exact name of it online, I used to be one of the people that stood on the wharf and slinged the wire ropes around the log piles, then you would shove the metal end peice into the Crankston where it would auto lock into it. It was a very dangerous job, if it was windy those wires would fly around and they can take your head off, also logs would sometimes slip out of the pile and shoot out onto the ground.
Boy One boat load of logs would last me and my family and more than likely my great great great grandchildren! Oh yes I must state That we live in Alaska USA baby.
I notice the timber is strapped to hoist it into the ship, but why not when its strapped to hoist also strap it up as a bundle that way when it gets to its destination the timber is in a bundle form and faster to unload and load ed onto the port.?
Perhaps, but it would make the whole process more expensive. That is the way we are loading logs since decades in many port in the world. If it is packed then it is cut into boards or shelfs, which we also loaded in some port but then the price is different, it all depends on the buyer and what facilities are available for the seller. In our case the loading is simpler and faster because the wires are automatically unlocked, without somebody needs to go there and unlock it.
Those are pine logs for dimensional lumber for buildings they are loading. They would use hardwood logs such as oak, maple, walnut and ash for interior use in yachts.
I cannot tell you because a representative of the owner of the bulker asked me to remove this video, which I refused as it cannot be seen who is the owner.
@@Wolfgang227 I would be more interested in knowing how they thread the cable back in once at the destination and unloading. Looks like a new ship too, not all banged up from loading timber every which way.
@@GFSwinger1693 You are right, it was the first cargo. Unloading was done with grabbers. Unfortunately I had no time to record the unloading, I had to pack my luggage and hand-over the vessel, me (C/E) and captain got sacked. I made only one picture: drive.google.com/file/d/1tOJwSZ6G4VMjGqw_czSRp0oBZdDLBd4_/view
it is impressive how much that ship can carry, and though while it does look like an inefficient process to load them, its highly likely that these companies do everything in their power to find cheaper and faster ways to load lumber.
No they don't. They are Longshoreman and will be as slow as they can at everything keeping the cost high. I've worked around this all my life. In Alaska, we used non-union stevedores and could load a ship with 5.5 million feet of timber in 4 days. I know this ship. It only handles about 4 million feet. This is in Astoria, Oregon. Slowest port on the coast.
@@Thehoelogdog but the company would still want speedy loading... no? and were talking about the shipping companies who have international deadlines and contracts they have to fufill
Portland, USA, there is a lot of forest there, there are several such loading ports up and down the Columbia river. What kind of wood I do not know, perhaps relativ fast growing pine tree, which can be easy replanted.
And when i was thinking trucking can be difficult, sleeping in an area with no toilets, no shower, not the best meal and so on. Try living on a boat that maybe won't hit the land for the next 3 weeks or more. No one to help you, beside you, your crew and God. Are you from a german speaking country? Sail safe, sir!
I see a lot of comments that must come from people living in the inner cities. Live in the country or on a farm. It's very interesting to see how they keep the flow moving, from planting the trees to harvesting them. Tree farms are located in most states. Look them up and take a ride to visit them.
@@Bushguyrocks Yeah, what are they planting though? Mono-crops. Logged forests often go from a diverse ecosystem to a single-species "forest". Sure, tree-planting is better than no planting, but it's also not really adequate. We're also still deforesting what's left of the old-growth on the coast. It's not great.
@@ryandury in the lower elevations around here, depending on soil, moisture, elevation, etc, they are planting a mixture. At the higher elevations where it is all Lodgepole to begin with, they are planting all Lodgepole. Time to actually get out in the woods and know what you are talking about.
@@Bushguyrocks I am literally surrounded by woods and have a huge chunk of tree planting friends. Our forests are being decimated and it's quite obvious that is the case if you ever fly across the province or start scrolling around google maps in satellite view. I like how you also conveniently left out the subject of old growth in your response. Anyway, i'm not against logging entirely, I am a woodworker after all. But to what scale is it sustainable? At what point does the long-term value of old-growth for things like tourism outweigh the upfront value of logging? The issue isn't 'logging', it's to the degree that we are doing it. If tree-planting was such a reliable source of reforestation, maybe we should just let loggers log the trees they planted 3-4 decades ago? Surely there would be enough. But no: we keep expanding production, and that's the issue.
I just answered this question in the last comment before yours. RU-vid sorts the comments according “Top Comment”, which I have no idea what this means. What is aTop Comment? Perhaps the ones with the most likes. Therefore I always have to click on “Sort By” and select “Newest first” to get a list with the latest comments. I would suggest to you to do the same and read my comment from yesterday. Anyway, thanks for you interest in my video.
Forestry is one of the most eco friendly industries in the world. Cutting down trees is far safer for the world than mining non renewable resources because trees can be planted and grown again, unlike energy sources like coal and oil.
I believe that the proper title.should be 'loading logs...' these are logs, timber is the proccessed wood, that is why these ships are called 'loggers'. Anybody to back me up ?
you are right, I should not have used the word timber, it is normally not used in this sense, nevertheless it is not totally wrong. The word timber is used for both, processed and unprocessed wood. For example following sentences are in use: cut down timber or fell timber, put land under timber (for re-foresting) timberline, the altitude above which no trees grow even while cutting down a tree the loggers are shouting: "timber" to make people aware a tree is falling. Anyway, thanks for your comment.
@@Wolfgang227 and thank YOU 4 responding to my 'good natured' comment. A logs carrying sea passage is most danverous especially when through heavy seas because it is the cargo most prone to shifting which can cause serious listing to the ship and even capsizing....
@@Wolfgang227 export logs shipped from the states would very rarely be used to make paper in Asia. Most export logs are for dimensional lumber. Paper is generally made using pulp logs which is what is left once you cut the dimensional logs from a tree. If you have a 150 foot log you might get three or four 36' logs but the top of the tree wouldn't be large enough in diameter to make a saw log so it is cut into a pulp log. That is then used for paper.
@@mikesch7672 You can be right because we did not have first hand information about the logs. It was just mentioned by some workers on deck. For unloading in China they used grabbers and broke some of the logs: drive.google.com/file/d/1tOJwSZ6G4VMjGqw_czSRp0oBZdDLBd4_/view
Sorry, I had no time to record it. I got fired in the discharge port and had to pack my things and hand over to my reliever. They used big grabbers and just squeezed the logs into it, some of the logs broke by this brutal force. I have only a still picture I made out of my window before I left: photos.app.goo.gl/PVJSS8jQWxW8AKkQ9
@@alexsulzhits4247 Depend on the weather and wich country, about 7 to 10 days. If you look my video, you see us on the way: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fcbGVI1ClAM.html
@@LiPo5000 well most of the logging and reforestation is controlled by the state. But you generally have two years to replant the land that was logged and they will do a couple of audits of the planted trees to make sure the survival rate of planted trees is sufficient.
Once I was a shipper and we loaded 6000M3 of timber logs onto a log carrier. It is a pity to see the crew of the log carrier to sail with the fair and bad weather and always in high risk of ship capsize in high sea due to over loading and on desk cargo which cause instability
@@meekhinglim4829 maybe your vessel was not expressly designed for carrying logs. The deck loads look huge but there are comings and hatchs that are covered by logs.
