@doktorandom Logging in southeast Alaska is different than Oregon, Washington, and California. Wolf, Deer and Bear populations have skyrocketed since logging started there. There are no endangered species to protect, and after 60 years of commercial harvest there has been no drop in population of any species of flora or fauna. Populations have only increased. 1% of the Tongass's 17.2 million acres have been harvested for commercial use. That is a far cry from other American states.
Logged for years up north in B.C. Meziadin Used the 2100 husky 36 inch bar. No better job in the world. I miss it. Average butt diameter was 4 to 6 feet.
Generally speaking, if modern logging was truly "sustainable," there wouldn't be a need to keep logging more acreage to feed more demand. The net effect is less and less old-growth timber under the illusion of "balance" because it's not all gone (yet). The root problem is human overpopulation, which shouldn't be considered natural or desirable. Blind devotion to "the economy" keeps cannibalizing nature on many fronts.
4aSteadyStateEconomy Overpopulation is the problem with everything. If there were say... 5 billion less people I could drive a fleet of Hummers around on empty highways and not have to worry about Global warming. Electric cars are not the solution, convincing people (especially the stupid ones) not to reproduce is.
@@jacobwrona It's refreshing that others out there see what the problem is. Those in high places better wake up soon or it will be too late. Mankind needs to stop over reproducing, stripping this Earth of it's natural resources. Fish stocks are disappearing in the ocean and yet we continue to over fish. Keep the faith Jacob.
IF you only knew how inaccurate, SO Many people think, who have not been in both the Places that STATISTICS are created and the Places that people who are in offices and cubicles HAVE NO BUSINESS EVEN COMMENTING HERE. Just keep reading your Sierra blogs and brown bear extinction, sage grouse migration, and COMMERCE DEPT. Oil Production in Washington State, supposedly the 5th largest of the nation, and then Read about how Maury Schaefer had to APPOLIGIZE about Alar. America will not pay the real workers. Yes, it'sa lotta work in town to keep even a wheat harvest going. TIMBER, OIL, COAL, and now even STEEL, Are produced overseas, only because AMERICA has Been so Generous with our experience and exports of equipment and methods, besides the investments here at home: No one bothers to pay the Producers. People are plenty happy to have particle board and watch the Homeless on big screen .T.V. Retirements are all canceled. BOARD members and computers minimize inputs. JUST GO TO WALMART And Chinese Off Shore Trading Co. ; USE your Big Groups to get Govt. And Big Corp. Credit UNIONs, Tires, insurance and loans, so Commercial Banks cannot loan to small businesses. You ASKE FOR IT, YOU GOT IT AMERICA. No One Has Time for Church or teaching real Science, or how this nation was founded or has survived. As a VOCATIONAL Teacher, and a life long Logger, rancher, WELDOR/Operator, Industrial Electrical worker, Most of us see the NEA, As justa bout the worst member of Common Cause. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT TEACHERS DON'T CARE.... it Only means they are not Free enough to get out in real industries, even the stock markets, or banking. Parents are Required TO WORK TOO HARD, to have the time, BEFORE THEY ARE TRANSFERRED OR LAID OFF, and have to move. The Computers are telling the people what to do.
@@kenblough5743 THE REAL TRUTH IS THAT SECOND GROWTH Is approaching too big for many mills to handle. The WORST MANAGEMENT is actually Generated by a PUBLIC, yes, WE the intelligent intellectuals, from the same Schools that have taught COMPUTER MODELS for our economy that cannot possibly even begin to fill the work orders for what the people now want. The USFS Used to be REASONABLE, but since 1980 has FAILED to Cut even 2% OF the REQUIRED BY LAW: One 90th of the 90 year ROTATION. Just go Bore if you must, without just looking up Doug fir, or whatever trees you want to use, in your community, besides a Madrona, or, actually Walnut trees, Maples we used to burn. Actually in a way you are correct. BOB'S RED TRUCK, whole wheat works out TO BE: 75 DOLLARS A BUSHEL. WE actually should REQUIRE THAT AT LEAST 8 percent of ALL WOOD PELLETS be WHEAT, or BARLEY. And since it's BECOME ILLEGAL To even DRILL, or Explore for OIL, Or more fisheries, WE NEED to be Going to STEAM, especially in big cities WE MUST RECYCLE, WE MUST RECYCLE, WE MUST SORT, WE MUST RECYCLE ..... especially the Finest Grapes, Wines, Spirits, Brews, and Gourmet MEATS, CHEESES, pies and Cakes ☺🤠🐮🐿🐈⬛🐴🤠🐮🐱. By the SWEAT UV YOUR BROW, shall Ye have Pizzas 🏰🏰🏰🏰🏰💒
@@mikeravenelle7073 WE definitely ♥should have Aborted a lot of Eco Freaks, or sent them with THOR HYERDAHL, as DRYED MUNCHIES aboard the KON TIKI. We are the Loggers and the Bering Sea Fishermen, And OIL producers, Ship Builders, we produce enough Ozone to make the rest of the college PEOPLE WHO have Less College Science and Chemistry and Physics, Biometrics, calculus, and Bell curve psychology and educational Bohemian Rapsodies dancing girls, Could probably run this nation WITH MORE MORALITY, and Common Sense Bible teaching wether, they were Mormons, Baptist, puritan Hutterite, Catholic, Methodist Episcopal, or Saudi..... the Saudi students come here, and PRODUCE, ALGORE ITHMS, BILLY and Melinda Gate , could not believe on the effectiveness of the seat belt laws, and SHUT DOWN YER TEXTS and Drive safely laws. Twenty feet behind at 60 mph puts a lot of SCAMMERS under the duals, or the trailers, on their way to their next big Real Estate deal, or TAIL GATES Allen, and well, iguess that's enuf, but many people in cubicles will believe it's raining because their screen says it is.... when the weather is nice. Compute the PPM of the acre feet of tide moving in and out 2 to 10 ft. More or less twice a day or the volume of dirt in the ocean. 😳☺🤠🐮🐱🏰💒Paul ALLEN Was a really good guy. He donated a lot of free fireworks shows with Shipments that didn't make it in time for many rural communities. We used to have more time it seems for family picnics and Church and even PTA Meetings. Now people argue about pets and CHICKENS in Town like Russia and others have. It's actually kinda interesting and fun.
Actually Robin, most of them do make a groaning sound as the hinge holding wood pulls apart when they fall. I've often joked about them groaning in pain so I can see where someone might say something like that.
dropped a few of them myself years ago then along came osha . with all of their rules and regulations . always liked the big huskies. mac. and homelites but never cared for the big stills the 151 with a 5 foot bar was heavy and hard to drag around plus it uses a lot of fuel . I wound up with a 100 cc partner with a 4 foot bar loved that saw I tried the smaller stills i think they were the 45 and the 65 but not sure about the number that was years ago and my memory is not that good
Spent 10 years on the end of a huskie, with Canon bars, Stihls I like for bucking, not falling, and yes they gulped fuel. Huskies were so reliable and well made. Contract falling ,,, so many great memories, so grateful for the times ! We logged big timber on the west coast, lots of 13 - 15' trees, the huggers would pee their pants if they knew.
do you know how many college grads don't have a job? Also, lumberjacks make pretty good money. They're healthy, and can take care of themselves. Lets see a college educated person do that.
Loved it, you are a safe aware cutter. As far as the tree huggers go they no nothing about the science of forestry. Hey dingbat democrats, this tree was not used for paper, it was probably used to build a house for the needy.
I always had the cobbler put Tricounis on my corks and the faller in this video is the only other cutter that I've ever seen with Tricounis. Loved those things especially on steep and rocky ground. And he has a Mag-driver in his pouch. I like this guy.
@mrShikadanse Before you go an call someone a liar make sure to do your homework. A simple Google search for deer stuck in combine will pull up an image from a 2009 issue of deer and deer hunting showing a buck caught in a corn head. Not my pic but still proves it can happen maybe not all the time but still possible.
Probably just to make it easier on his back. Also, if he went lower he would be in the "bell" shape of the trunk which would require extra cutting. Hardly worth the extra work for an extra foot or so of length on a tree that size, though I have worked for people who would want the stumps lower because it is a huge waste of wood (money) over the long run. Especially regarding trees that size.
@straightpipesrule You couldn't be further off I live no place near CA. If you read both of my posts you would have noticed that I was talking about harvesting crops in the mid-west and comparing those renewable resources to logging. What I said was deer will sit still in the field when I approach on a WHEAT harvester (i.e. Combine) often get tangled up in it. Again was making a comparison since another poster was complaining how cutting down trees destroys an owls house. I am all for logging.
@frizzybob No actually laptops are not made of wood, but i bet the electricity that they consume was produced by some power plant that contains wood somewhere within its walls or was carried on power lines held in the air by wooden poles that you may or may not have noticed along side of the street. And without that electricity you would not be able to sit in your house/apt (also most likely made of wood) and watch videos on youtube to complain about.
I love people who say these guys are destroying nature. Unless you are typing your comment on a computer plugged into a solar panel and sleeping under the stars in the great outdoors and NOT in a house made of WOOD, you need these guys in the forests harvesting timber. Loggers are no different than farmers in the mid-west that harvest a field of corn. It gets harvested replanted and harvested again generation after generation. I don't see anyone protesting a farmer harvesting his crops.
If you look close and know what to look for you can easily see that dwarf mistletoe has had its way with this hemlock (the first tree fell), in fact it is dead. If its in this tree you can bet it is in all other hemlock in the area and they will also die eventually. clearcutting is the only way to irradicate this parasite. too bad eliminating ignorant treehuggers wasn't so easy
You should see what a mother deer and her fawn look like when they get tangled up in the cutter head of a wheat harvester. The owl who loses his house gets off easy compared to Bambi and his mom. Think about that next time you pour yourself a bowl of Wheaties or butter your toast and feel comfort that no animals were harmed in the making of your breakfast.
the thing is when a tree is fully grown like this it has had a full life so i dont know what everyone has such an issue over it. it should be the baby trees that are protected as they have hundreds of years of growth left. there are too many out there who comment on things they know nothing about . oh i am not a logger
I dont think you should blame us loggers, we are just doing it becouse it pays good, and its nice to work outside. howabout blame yourselves you bought all the wood that was used to make your house. besides it all grows back eventually. if its the clear cutting you hate blame the logging company's for that, we just cut what we are told.
@kalob35 But timber companies won't wait 600 years for the next crop. Nor will the soil still be there after so many harvests. Not to mention bidiversity. There's no free lunch. Not a tree hugger, I used to set chokers, pull both green and dry chain, and drive carrier. Just saying...
@transdrole The amount of oxygen emitted by older trees, is not near as much as younger healthier trees. By cutting down older trees, it opens the floor to regeneration (Lots more younger trees) to come up. If you never worked in the woods, you don't know anything about trees.
they use diff methods , sometimes they use cranes , or wires that run across the whole hill down ...and even rivers ... and there are still some outhere who cut the logs into pieces small enough to be hauled by a truck ... ect.
@dimputhegreat ....you got a clue dude...study sustaiable ecosystems and you will see that, as counter-intive as it seems at first, it encourages ecological succession in an other wise mainly mono-cultured area.....get a clue
@Wiccanking1 good comment i wish other people would understand that if there weren't loggers that other jobs would be shut down and people wouldn't have houses funriture and toys to play with
@BigHeadFarm "Big Head" is the right username. That's the very attitude that is destroying the planet. You're right: whining, crying, and bitching can't stop it. Regulation will.
@dimputhegreat using plasitics is NOT eco friendly. YAY!!! lets go support the big chemical industry. Your argument is so lame. You probably have never been around any industry at all.
actually the saw was stuck for some reason. And it was quite a risk getting it out! Good way to be - 1 life (and most people I know, only got the 1 - which means "GAME OVER" ;-)
Sure seems to be a lot of bugs in Alaska with all that "Bug Dust" coming from those cuts. I'm sure 9 yrs. later the bugs aren't so bad. looks like pretty tough going in Alaska!!
Where was this taken? Who were you falling timber for, and how much were you getting a thousand? lol...Sorry for all the questions, its just that I lived and fell timber in southeast alaska for a few years.
The wedges are used to keep pressure off the saw. The direction is determined by the lean of the tree, the undercut, and/or by the wind. The wedges dont always make the tree fall in the opposite direction...some trees can sit back hard and fall right back over your wedges...that can be dangerous
@neyo509 Trees grow back at different speeds, depending on the species. Most people have never walked through a clear cut of aspen, 6 months after it was cut. They never see the regrowth starting. I have gone through some clear cuts where you can't even walk, because the regrowth is so thick. If you don't believe me, come to michigan, and I'll show you. Old dying trees do not use co2, like young healthy trees. I has been proven scientifically.
I am a forester in England,UK..am confused as to why your stumps are so high..it is the best timber and also makes extraction a hell of a lot safer and easier? You seem to waste a good 4-5 feet of good timber on every tree you yanks fell? is there a reason for this?
i use concrete, and this new amazing product called steel.. as for wiping my arse yup recycled paper is kewl.. i dont deny old time loggers a right to show their art but as we have learnt by strip logging old growth forest and seeing and learning the effects.. erosion, extinction, blackberries.. BTW nice saw and great saw work.. just wish i had a had to wipe my arse with.. would save so much on a termite ridden timber framed house that blew away in a tornado
Makes sense. I know they are originally European, I just arrogantly thought they sold their saws in a different nomencature for American sales. ( I forgot about Canada, who has the biggest influence in the market for North America).
@PsychoKai1 You are correct that a bird or other tree living creature may lose its house when a tree gets cut down, but have you ever harvested on a farm before? I have and you would be surprised of the number of deer, turkey, pheasants and other animals that get run over and killed when we clear cut corn, wheat and soy bean and hay fields. Every year it never fails that many of these animals bed down in the fields and out of fear stay perfectly still despite the approaching harvester.
@KHRaccoon I sure hope you dont mow your lawn man, i gotta have me oxygen, friend, this isnt an attack, I live work and play in the mountains full time, stuff grows, it always grows. BTW, live ? uh, what forms of materials are employed to create an environment within an environment you would perish in ? Peace man and try to see that tree as being harvested like picking ripe fruit before it rots and know they gonna be around still long after we are gone, life cycle.
@dimputhegreat I'm going to cut some trees down this week. And new ones are going to grow back in there place. It doesn't even take Al Gore, and carbon credits to do it. The trees grow back naturally, exactly like God intended them to.
the direction is mostly determined by the faller, either with wedges or jacks,I have seen them take a 6 ft'er from 15degrees left and fall it right good fallers, if the trees are not parrell to each other then they get broken more and are harder to choke and skip.
You shouldn't put down people who do physical work, without which modern life would be impossible. But human attitudes toward everything in nature as a "crop" deserve a lot of criticism. Looking at satellite maps, you can see new or old logging scars on nearly every tract of public forest in the lower 48 states (a vast tree farm). People are like termites, relentlessly chipping away at forests and calling it "balance." Alaska has only been spared the worst because of its remoteness.
