Logitech Ergo K860 Review - My First Ergonomic Keyboard! 

I must be old. When I was in school we had to take a mandatory "keyboarding" class. Looking back, I'm glad I did. I can't imagine what it's like to sit down in front of a keyboard and not know where the keys are!

Thanks, Eber. Great review. You kinda convinced me to try this out. Also cinematography is great, lighting is great. Colors so vivid and punchy! You guys so grew up. Really amazing.

Battery life is INSANE! Now you know why there's no back lighting. This has been my work keyboard for the past year and it has helped my hands out even though I've had a busy year. Totally recommended. $130 is nothing compared to going through carpal tunnel release surgery. Take care of yourself.

Touch typing is something you can learn from a library book. I found a typewriter-based book at my library and went through it for a few weeks. My typing immediately improved, and it really clicked once I had to do a lot of writing for online classes. It IS about muscle memory, and some key movements such as using your left index finger for "B" are initially awkward, yet it's totally worth it. Especially if you know keyboard shortcuts for your operating system, your productivity improves DRAMATICALLY. It's not just that you don't need to look at your fingers, it's that you hardly need to use your mouse! You probably have no idea, but your keyboard can pretty much do it all, and it's a fun feeling. If I were you, I'd make touch typing a goal and get started on it today. Especially if enjoy life hacks or you fancy yourself a computer person, a gamer, or you work in an office. OMG, office people should HAVE TO learn touch typing, if just to make their life way EASIER. Anyway, best of luck.

Been using an ergonomics keyboard for years, with the latest being the K860 the past few months. And I love this keyboard. Being able to connect to a pc and a Mac and my iPad, has been awesome. the feel is great and very comfortable. Funny how you mentioned its a large keyboard, look at the ms 4000. I found this KB has a great design and use of space. Best KB I’ve used in long while. Enjoy the channel, great reviews.

Yes! I've been wanting to see more split keyboards in the market. :) I have bad RSI, I can't use a normal keyboard for more than a few minutes without pain. I've been using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard for years. If Logitech accepts any feedback, I'd love to see a tenkeyless version. The extra distance the keypad adds to my right arms travel when switching between keyboard and mouse adds to my RSI pain. I'd also love to see a mechanical version. My Sculpt has low profile keys, and the I start noticing the travel distance being too short after long coding or gaming sessions. My ultimate dream keyboard is a version of the Kinesis Advantage 2 that lets your wrist rest at an angle instead of straight. Anyway, I hope this spurs more companies to try selling ergonomic keyboards. It's a market that needs a lot more competition.

I've been using ergonomic keyboard from almost the start, from 1995 with the first Microsoft natural keyboard. I'm using Ms natural 4000 now. It's really strange to see that flat, box keyboards are dominating. It's really good that Logitech is joining the ergonomic competition. Thank you for the review.

Having used my Belkin ergonomic keyboards for almost two decades, I can definitely say that they have saved me wrist and arm strain. I have to go back to standard keyboards from time to time, and after a couple of hours, I can definitely feel the strain. If you have learned to touch type, then adjusting back and forth to an ergo keyboard does indeed just take a few hours the first time, but not much time going back. All keyboards should be ergo designed! We don't need to keep pandering to mechanical movements designed to push a type bar against a paper page anymore.

I’ve been eyeing ergo keyboards this week, so I’m glad you uploaded this. Think I’m going to get it.

I'm currently using the Microsoft Sculpt ergo keyboard - love it. This is quite nice - I tried the MX Keys keyboard and loved everything about it - so presumably it's the same travel etc in a ergo layout... I will probably try it.

Well done video! This is my first ergo keyboard and I'm testing it out. Price to value is a negative though as is the attached wrist rest that can't be replaced.

Good quality video review if I've ever seen one. Just ordered to give it a try as my daily work keyboard. Agreed on the absence of any backlighting (usually wired keyboards), but I can live with that for daylight work just fine. For low light / gaming I'll probably just switch up. Thanks for the great review!

This looks awesome. And God love them for putting the risers on the front instead of the back. I'd have probably gone with this if I didn't already have a Kinesis Pro. Thanks for the review!

As someone who used the original Natural Keyboard from Microsoft for something like seven years I have to say I thoroughly recommend people to try an ergonomic keyboard. It might not be for you, but you won't know unless you try one. One thing I found actually helped me improve my typing was the split nature of the keyboard. I never got any training in typing so was just shy of "hunt and peck" when I first started using the Natural Keyboard. The split forces you to use the correct hand when typing. For instance there is no way you can get away with using your left hand to type an "h" on a split keyboard. At the same time this can be a major disadvantage if you try to game on one. I'm not saying you can't game on a ergo keyboard, just that it can be less than optimal for gaming. Ergo keyboards seem to fall into two major categories. On one hand you have reasonably priced keyboards such as the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard and on the other hand you have expensive keyboards where there doesn't seem to be a limit to how much they can cost. There are also some very exotic looking ergonomic keyboards where they throw away the old QWERTY standard and create a layout they think is more logical. The more exotic the keyboard is the harder it will be to adapt to. Doesn't mean they are bad, just that it require more of an investment in the form of retraining. Then there are the type of keys used. Most ergo keyboards are using membrane switches, and are definitely not N-Key rollover capable. And that's one more point against using them for gaming. There are however some mechanical version though they tend to cost an arm and a leg. And I have no idea if there are any N-Key rollover capable ergo keyboards out there...

I have used the wired Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 since about 2004 or 2005. As a full-time programmer it was a lifesaver on my wrists. Never had a problem with carpal tunnel. It's kind of clunky looking compared to today's fancy ergonomic keyboards, but it is a total workhorse and only about $30-40 on Amazon. In fact, I am still using the same physical keyboard. That's how sturdy it is.

I am probably one of the youngest amongst the comment section. I'm 15 turning 16 and the thing is, my wrist pain and hands were aching nonstop and due to the lockdown, it worsened to the point that I couldn't even eat properly. I bought the ergo keyboard a few days ago and it just came in two days ago and I love it. I guess I'm more of a touch typist, but I still do make mistakes because I don't really have the whole layout memorized. This is also my first ergo keyboard and I can tell you that I work at night with the lights ON so I do not find it a dealbreaker if it does not have backlighting. I found this to be expensive, but in the long term, this is a much better solution. Now I'm waiting for my ergonomic mouse. BTW the pain has lessened like crazy for me so this keyboard is a lifesaver.

Currently using Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard. I've been using MS ergonomic keyboards for a very long time (20+ years, since my student days). Very comfortable. All the pain in my wrists went away in a few days once I switched over to an ergo keyboard. For touch typists, I would say ergonomic keyboards (those with the split in the middle) all the way. Worth (almost) every penny.

Always looking at new ergonomic offerings. For the present, I am using a Logic Tech K350 keyboard ( 2nd keyboard in daily use). I have found the ergonomic style of this keyboard a more natural and comfortable feature. I was considering the Perixx keyboard as an alternative. Great video!

This is a great review. I didn't know about this keyboard but it looks like something I would love to test. I'm a full-time software developer and I spend most of my day using a keyboard and a mouse. A couple of years ago I tried an ergonomic keyboard and I'm not switching back. I love the natural position of my wrists, no more strain or pain on my hands. My favorite is the MS Sculpt Ergonomic. I just love this one. The best in my opinion. I also bought its predecessor MS Natural 4000 because it is cheaper (wired) and I needed a second one. It's pretty good as well. And its successor MS Surface Ergonomic - fancy design but less comfort. I believe a Numpad section is pretty useless but otherwise, this Logitech looks amazing.

Very nice review, though I wish a little more discussion about how the keys feel and how loud they are in an office environment would've been nice. I've been using Microsoft ergonomic keyboards for years, starting with the Microsoft Natural Keyboard 4000. I'm currently using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard, which is definitely a love/hate relationship (love the wireless connectivity, hate the smaller Function (F) keys on the top row). I would never go back to standard keyboards, since I'm always in front of a computer coding. The new Logitech K860 keyboard looks great! I'm going to pick it up and see how it compares with the Microsoft Sculpt. I'm already using the Logitech MX Master 3 mouse, so this keyboard will pair nicely with it and save a USB port.

bought one of these off of ebay - this week nearly new for an amazing price. I am a touch typist and have been on it since it arrived today. LOVE IT. watched your video after the purchase but looks like other than the price it was a thumbs up for you -- as it is for me. the led missing is not an issue - as i touch type and rarely look at the key board i paid about 75% 'less than the full price so pretty good investment from my prospective. most importantly my wrists have never felt better.

This one looks great! I have the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (old...) that still works like a charm, tried to switch to the much recent Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard but didn't like the separated numbers pad and the short travel keys. I think I'll keep my current one for a while.

thank you for your review... as you rightly mentioned the lack of backlight is a deal breaker...

Thanks for the review Eber. I have used a Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite since 1999... I would love to switch to this keyboard or the Microsoft Sculpt...but my job requires everything to be wired. Though, I might pick this one up for home if it works well with Android phones and Chromebooks

I love PC gaming but I've never bothered with mechanical keyboards. Currently on a MS Sculpt, and I love it! Had an MS Ergonomic 4000 before that.

Yes! I've been using the MS Surface Pro and before that the MS Sculpt ergonomic. For reasons I can't understand, Logitech abandoned the ergonomic keyboard after that awful "Curve," but I used to like them. I've been typing on ergo keyboards for about 15 years and can't use anything else. It was onset carpal tunnel that forced me off of a flat keyboard and I haven't looked back. Really glad to see this.

Just got this keyboard today, so naturally that's when I decided to look up a video on it. Good video! And thanks for the point about sit/stand desks. I actually have one from UpLift, it's great with a little button at the bottom right that engages the hydraulics to lift/sink it.

Typing on my Microsoft Sculpt. Happy to report that this is everything I'd want in a successor. LED backlighting is unnecessary for me, as touch typing is the goal with these. Having that 10-key built in will be nice, the Sculpt has one as a separate device which has never felt convenient. Being able to switch from three devices right from the keyboard is the killer feature. Definitely waiting for a sale on one of these.

These are really great boards, but I'd love to see the MX Mechanical come in a layout like this, or a TKL + Backlight. The MX Keys do last a long time, albeit not as long as the k860. Backlights help when you are working in the early morning or late at night with lights off or dimmed, even as a touch typist. Ditching the numpad or including it as a split option would further increase ergonomics for those that don't need it regularly.

I love Logitech gear and am glad to see them selling something like this. Thank you Ebert. I will be going to a store and trying this keyboard for my own typing experience. (:

This video is on point and I'm looking foward to have ergonomic keyboard and mouse! Could you review the Miscrosoft sculpt ergonomic mouse and keyboard combo?

Nice! I have used the entry level Microsoft split keyboard. Great but loud and wears out fast. Now I use the Logitech Wave which is really a good price but I'm getting impingement issues after months of wfh, so I might bump up to this K860...

Thanks. This was actually helpful! I use the Logitech K350 Wave Keyboard & M510 mouse, which comes as a set for around $80 US if I recall correctly. But it's time to upgrade my computer, and this keyboard/mouse is nearly 10 years old now. The K350 is comfortable, but as I get older, I think the split design and the raised center will lessen fatigue. Before the Wave, I used an old Microsoft ergonomic, split keyboard for six or eight years, so the layout is familiar. This K860 sounds perfect, as my use case is is a static desk in a well-lit space. The letters and top row numbers are programmed into my brain. But the function keys and the number keyboard requires looking lol.

Nice review. I think I would like this keyboard. My daily driver is the Kinesis Advantage2 which I can't recommend enough, even though it's twice the price of this for a refurbished model. I really like the Microsoft Sculpt, tenkeyless and a similar tenting angle in the middle. They're also about $50 on eBay, but would be concerned about resale/return if you didn't like it. I also agree that while LED back lighting is not necessary, it sure does look nice. Disappointing at the price point of $130, wouldn't be worth complaining about if this were under $100.

My all-time favorite keyboard was the Logitech Comfort Duo. It was wireless and had the big chunky keys that made all those wonderful noises every time you hit a button. I had that thing for close to a decade before it finally died. I'd rubbed the letters off of the buttons lol, but still used it without issue as I'm a touch typist. I've been using the Sculpt by Microsoft and ended up having to purchase 2 of those as they don't seem to last very long. I almost cried when I saw that Logitech was making this one! I was soooooo excited! I freaking love this one. I love that it still has the number pad on it for when I'm working in accounting. The wrist wrest is comfortable and can be wiped for easy cleanup. The buttons are responsive too. It's just a really, really great keyboard.

Great and thoughtful review. One item that is missing in the review is keystrokes noise factor.

OLKB Preonic Ortholinear? I've been using that and its been enjoyable and apparently more "ergonomic" Great video as always!

Hows button press volume compared to Surface Ergonomic Keyboard? Or any info on typing volume at all?

Nice review...i really like a split keyboard, especially one from Logi with UNIVERSAL receiver.

Concerning the desks you are inquiring about. I stumbled upon an older video from Jay about his choice in standing desk - which was the Autonomous SmartDesk. I immediately thought "oh he is a high profile tech youtuber so it'll probably cost a liver and a kidney", but the pricing is insanely reasonable and I am really considering getting a DIY kit myself. That is another great feature from this brand - you can use whatever tabletop you want with their frame.

I love my Kinesis Freestyle Edge and Kinesis Freestyle Blue. I use the Freestyle Blue at work where not having the back light is not really an issue, but I love the Freestyle Edge at home where i can use it in a dark room without any issues. I use both keyboards at shoulder width apart, which is what I really love about these keyboards. It really helped with dealing with shoulder and elbow pain. I have been using the Freestyle Blue for about 4 years now and I still love it. I have found I have a little issue with switch from my laptop keyboard to the Freestyles, but they are similar enough it is not much of an issue.

I'm so glad I learned to touch-type...way back in the mid '60s! (Long before the advent of personal computers LOL). I have used ergonomic keyboards and do like them, although my current keyboard is a standard one.

I'm on my second Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 in 14 years. Still love it, but I want to switch to a Kinesis Advantage2 very soon!

FUCK YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR AN ERGONOMIC KEYBOARD LIKE THE SCULPT FOR YEARS! The palm rest lift is something i can't live without.

When I was working in a job where I spent all day at a keyboard - I was rocking a Microsoft Ergonomic 4000. Also used it for gaming (MMO nothing heavy).

I'm already using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard at work and I love it. Best keyboard I've used until now. I ordered the Logitech Ergo K860 for my home office, it should be coming today, and I'm excited to try it. I decided to try the Logitech because it's designed to work with Mac and PC and I use both at home

Great video. Thanks for your analyse

I have the Surface Ergonomic one with the fabric finish, I really like it.

I use the Microsoft Sculpt ergonomic keyboard. I love it. I had some wrist pain from typing on a Macbook for my software development job and the ergonomic keyboard made such a positive impact.

I use a Kinesis Freestyle Pro - ergonomic, split keyboard with Cherry MX Brown key switches. Love it, and recommend that you try it out. I would consider this Logitech as a great wireless ergonomic option, as I had a Microsoft Sculpt and did not care for the key layout and found that it did not always record a key press.

For a standing desk I'd recommend a Vivo, they have any number of different styles and my electric one has been running great for a while.

Thanks for the honest review! I myself use a much older Logitech Wave Wireless ergonomic keyboard for my daily driver. It's big and also with a non-detachable palm rest, runs on two AA batteries... or AAA batteries? I forgot, because I only have to change them after 2+ years. It's VERY comfortable for me, especially since I learnt to touch type on typewriters, so I press keys with quite a bit of force, and the Wave not only has good travel but its membranes properly dampen the keypresses instead of immediately bottoming out. How much do I love the Logitech Wave? Well, considering that it has been used _heavily_ for 10 years, so much so that 4 or 5 keys have totally lost their lettering... VERY much. HOWEVER... just like you said, $129 is... really pricey. I bought my Wave Wireless for about $70. So, although I definitely _want_ to own this new keyboard, I likely won't buy it. Not unless I get a deep discount.

Ergo boards are definitely the way to go for office workers but models like this with very shallow keys will cause repetitive stress injuries. Longer key travel boards are a better choice because they give your joints a larger area under stress to diffuse the overall friction load. The Logitech K350 and MK550, Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard and Natural Keyboard, and the Perixx Periboard 512 are great affordable options. I used a K350 at work for 8 years before building my own mechanical split board and it’s still working great on my basement workbench today so it’s safe to say that board is a great value. Extremely comfortable too, especially the padded wrist rest. If you have the money to spend and want truly the most healthy option then you really need a split keyboard that lets you adjust the angle of the two halves (horizontally and vertically) to fit your particular hands and wrists. Mistel and Kinesis offer quite a few high quality options for under $175 and you can go up from there to boards like the Matias Ergo Pro, Ergodox, Dactyl, Keyboardio Model 01, and TGM Alice clones to really get the best of the best in the $200-400 range. The newly released Mistel D770 is a fantastic value at $140. I have one with Cherry silent switches being delivered on Friday and I can’t wait. For anyone that wants to learn more, allthingsergo is a great website to read reviews on ergonomic keyboards as well as other ergo products.

I use a split ergo mechanical keyboard called a Lily58. I'm a touch typist, so it only took about an hour to get used to the new layout. It's QMK programmable so if I didn't like where a key was, I could change it. Absolutely recommended, but it could be difficult for people who don't type "properly"

I have tried several ergonomic keyboards. By far, the best I have ever used is the Datadesk SmartBoard, which has Alps keyswitches. I bought mine back in 2003 and still use it today, but sadly, they are not made anymore (the website is still up, though). It has a split layout that fans out to variable sized keycaps, so it is easy for your fingers (especially the pinkies) to reach the keys and hit them accurately. They also moved the arrow keys (similar to 65% keyboards) and the numpad close to the rest of the keyboard, so switching to the mouse requires less travel. The X-Bows keyboard has a similar split fanning layout, but it doesn't have that nice raised curve, as well as a few other shortcomings. The new model looks promising, and I plan to try it out once it becomes available.

Have been using the Logitech Ergonomic combo set in the late 1990's then switched to Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 at home...and still using it today. At work using a Kinesis Freestyle2 VIP3. Love them all, would not go back to normal keyboard...and oh...I'm thinking of upgrading my existing keyboard at home

A great sit stand desk is the Autonomous desk. I’ve used it for two years so far and love it.

I would love to see a review on the MX Ergo or another ergonomic mouse, this type of device make a great difference to healthy

Im using the ergotravel split keyboard with kailh box crystals and matt3o mt3 keycaps. So far I love it and it really helps with my shoulder and wrist pain.

I used to have a Microsoft ergo keyboard years ago, like 10 or so years ago. It was amazing to type fast on and I used it for gaming. This is back before everything had to have the word "gaming" in front of it. When I switched back to a standard layout I couldn't type for a month.

I haven't tried this one, but over the years I tried a few ergo designs and really love the positioning with the MS Ergo 4000, but have found that despite the worse wrist positioning with traditional keyboards, the overall experience is still better for me with a 'normal' clicky mechanical keyboard than with a membrane ergo. If someone would copy the MS Ergo 4000 layout but make it clicky mechanical I could die a happy typist.

I am using MS Sculpt. Such shape really saved my hands from pain. I hate only a couple of things in my kb - awful Fn keys (they are not scissor-switch) and bad location of Home/End/PgUp/PgDown. I would try K860 ergo, but the price...

I switched to a corsair k68 mx red mechanical keyboard last year from the microsoft ergo 3500 keyboard I've been using for 10 years for normal work/gaming use. Funny thing is I miss it so much bc my wrists hurt now after gaming for a few hours and I honestly don't notice a diff when it comes to gaming. I think thats why I've been searching for a more comfortable wrist rest to replace the plastic one corsair gives you to maybe alleviate some of the pain.

I used to be a major fan of the Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000. At $45-50 (sometimes $25-30 on sale), it's got a decent feel with full-travel keys. No backlighting though, which is fine if you are a touch typist. However, I've had several of these. (I wear out the left shift and left control keys pretty often from gaming. The space bar started missing presses in another one.) In all of them, the lettering on the keycaps wears off fairly quickly. Mostly the WASD keys (again from gaming), but others as well. I've recently started using the Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard (LXM-00001), which also goes for about $45. I get the feeling this is the replacement for the Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, but that's just the feeling as I noticed it harder to get the older model.

I use an Uplift desk at work and personally, I found them fantastic.

great video + question: what brand are your glasses? like to buy new ones and I like the ones you're wearing

Really good video! How about comparing this keyboard to the Microsoft Ergonomic Surface, the Microsoft Scuplt and other ergonomic ones? That would be awesome for the general public interested in buying a good ergonomic keyboard!

As several others have said, the Microsoft "Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000" is an awesome, much cheaper alternative to this. It's not wireless, but it has some macro keys and media keys and the same basic shape as this Logitech one. I actually game on mine at home and it 100% cured my carpal tunnel/RSI issues in my left wrist.

Went from the Microsoft Sculpt to a custom built mechanical keyboard (KBD75v2). As of right now I do not miss the split nature of the MS sculpt that much but I know that my next mechanical keyboard is going to be a split one like the Alice or one of the cheaper clones. So split ergonomic kb is the best of both worlds IMO. ^^

I use a Logitech Wave K350. Like the name implies it's got a wave shape that's much gentler than the Ergo K860 and the keys aren't split. Definitely my most favourite keyboard. A close contender is/was the original Microsoft Natural keyboard. I loved typing on that thing...

Subscribed :) that was an awesome review.

Great review!!! Thanks!!!

My first ergonomic keyboard was the Microsoft Natural Multimedia Keyboard and it was one of my favorite keyboards until it broke and I went back to using normal keyboards again. That is, until the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard was released a few years ago! I still use that keyboard in the office but it is getting old and I think this would be a good replacement for that.

I switched to the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 v1.0 about 6 months ago and actually purchased a second backup as the first use I was already typing faster and more comfortable than I was on any other keyboard. I even switched with a coworker for a different one at work. I am not a perfect touch keyboardist by any means but I would like a backlight. I also added a vertical mouse that felt just as comfortable (it is from ANKER) I use at work and home. My only negative is that my hands are large and I would like to see larger key caps for each letter and I understand I am in the minority here. (FYI=Wrists are over 8" around and glove six is 2XL). When I sub at other locations I get stuck ith a normal keyboard and hate them. Keep up the great work and about time a "gamer" looks at comfort over expectations! :)

Build a TGR Alice! Would love to some some custom keyboard videos from you guys!

finally a more ergo-oriented product. please keep it up and refine on it, Logi

If it would be in TKL version and will have backlight I would be happy to replace my Microsoft Sculpt keyboard :/

Fascinating review as key presses look, in my opinion as though they may be lighter than the Microsoft comfort keyboard which is similar. The price, as you mention, does seem a lot, I suppose clingfilm or similar could cover the rest area. Please advise if there is a Windows button. Thanks for showing this keyboard.

Great video my friend. Thanks!

I had a keyboard made by Microsoft back in the in the late 90's. Loved it and was great when writing alot. Already had surgery to both wrists due to carpel tunnel syndrome. Should get a split one again.

You should look at the Kinesis Freestyle Edge. It's a split gaming keyboard with mechanical keys, RGB and macros. It's by far the best off-the-shelf ergonomic keyboard I've tried (and I've tried several to get over my RSI issues).

Have been thinking of trying these for years, and got a Kensington "Orbit Fusion" ergonomic trackball mouse half a year ago, that convinced me that ergonomic stuff is NOT just gimmick..! I needed a new keyboard, and just found the "iiglo ERGO Kx" at black friday sale for $10 (normal price is $70 here in Norway). Cant wait to try it 😁 Update: Just got it, and it is definitely more comfortable than my old keyboard, but the button layout is a bit different, so it will take some getting used to. The "Y" shaped curve of each side of the keyboard makes the backspace a bit higher up compared to what im used to, so i often hit the Enter key instead. But i just started using it maybe an hour ago, so im sure ill get used to it pretty quickly. Ive never tried a palmrest before, but i like it a LOT 😊

The only trouble I'm having is the "6" key being on the left side. I learned to type "6" with my right index finger. Other than that, this is potentially replacing my MX Keys (which I actually just got, lol). The ERGO K860 is a really nice keyboard! As for lacking backlighting, it's disappointing, but I really don't need it. I always have a desk lamp and I'm a touch typist.

Try the uplift desk, it's pretty good for the price. Bought a standing desk over the holiday season.

you guys should review the Ergodox EZ and the Dygma Raise!! they're both mechanical ergo boards with hot-swap switches

I'm still using my logitech comfort ergo keyboard. 15 some odd years now. Tried the microsoft sculpt for a while, but the keys gave out on me. About time they put out a replacement. :D

Next: Gaming ergo keyboard!

With you covering the tech and peripherals and Dmitry covering the cases mostly, I think Mike should be covering something he likes, as he will speak about them more passionaltely.

As a rehabilitation physician, I've found various studies on the topic of sit/stand desks. They definitely change behaviors but it is hard to say if they change outcomes. The most important aspect to remember is changing positions as you do not want to be in any one position for an extended period. Along those lines, I would recommend a standing desk that has an option to automatically rise and lower after X minutes. Regarding this keyboard - Logitech definitely made a lot of ergonomically-conscious decisions. Raising the palm side rather than the back of the keyboard (which actually puts more pressure on the carpal tunnel) was a great idea.

I'm a touch typist, and I generally have little trouble adapting to different keyboards, even the particularly unusual ones like the Microsoft Mobile keyboard. I've extensive typing experience on a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. They are very nice, but I still prefer my mechanical keyboards.

May want to take a look at the KINESIS Freestyle Edge. I use one daily at home and work. Love that you can adjust the spacing between the two halves. As I have rather broad shoulders. Yes, it is more than money the Logitech Ergo K860, but it has mechanical switches and I feel it is worth the price.

I’m a touch typist who types basically all day for work. I never look at the keyboard except if I need to use a key that I rarely use (like the F row keys) so for me the backlighting is not an issue at all. I don’t use the number row, I only use the number pad which I also use without looking. No backlight, no problem.

Thank you so much for your review... Ive just bought the keyboard... Would you know whats the best option for saving battery? Either bluetooth or the USB included in the keyboard?

Nice review, as far as the foam goes I do not think it will be a problem, I have the Microsoft 4000 which has that same kind of hand rest and I have been using it for years with no breakdown whatsoever. Wish this was not so expensive, I bought a wireless straight keyboard for using the computer with my TV and I hate the straight keyboard with a passion, they hurt my hands quite a bit and whereas the ergonomic design gives me no pain at all. For that price it should have backlit keys.

For sit stand desks I would suggest looking at autonmous ai desks. Their sit stand desks start around 300 for around 36in and they offer real wood options. I purchased a 79in desk dual motor for 750$ with a walnut top!

Mike is right. I have a g613 and I thought I would care about the lack of backlighting. I actually complained about it when I was buying it. But then after using it, I realized is that I never really looked at my keyboard while typing. As for price, I think it's reasonable. But I dropped 70$ for a trackpad that supported windows 10 precision drivers, which is surprisingly hard to do for some reason. So I have a mouse and a trackpad at my desk so I can just use the trackpad for gestures while working.

After having like seven mechanical keyboards, from mx blues, to browns to reds and topres; I can say that my favorite keyboard is CM Novatouch (topre) with PBT keycaps and POK3R compact keyboard.

Good video. You suggested that we skip this model, but what does Hardware Canuks recommend? Also a video request- keyboard and mouse for different professions- creatives, programmers,/ typist gamers, old people etc

@hardwarecanucks you should try the ergodox with a full fand lift/tent kit like the ones from falbatech. Split mechanical keyboard glory. It's also great for gaming. For extra benefit you could replace your keys too with some aqua zilents.

I have some experience with using differnt keyboard layouts so I can remove some of your concerns. At work I use a Microsoft Sculpt which is a wireless split keyboard like the Logi in the video. I used that with the included Microsoft Sculpt Mouse untill it broke, replaced with a Logitech MX Vertical. At home at the same time I used a Truly Ergonomic keyboard, which has a split layout with the keys lined out straight. Also I have to use my partners keyboard at home to configure her computer, and at work when ever I am on the move I have to work on the laptop. Switching between any of these layouts is no problem, as long as you can type on the key layout (QWERTY) to begin with. A split keyboard will make you quickly break bad habits like pressing B with the right hand or Y with the left hand. Once you do this on a split, you will follow on a 'regular' QWERTY layout. Then you can easily swap (like i do on a daily basis) between these layouts. Keep in mind some of the less 'standard' layouts like the truly ergonomic are a different story. My partner cannot enter her usernames or passwords on the Truly Ergonomic for example, but has no problem doing this on the split Microsoft Sculpt or her own "gaming" QWERTY keyboard. She is also a touch typist. While I dont make any more typing errors on one layout than the other, there is a difference in typing speed. For me that ranking has (over time) gone to where i am quickest on the Truly Ergonomic layout, followed by the Microsoft Sculpt layout simply due to posture, followed by any regular QWERTY (Which i am currently using (Logitech G Pro) for 2 years since the Truly Ergonomic had 3 Chery MX switches fail after it was attacked by liquid beverages... RIP). So swapping layouts should not be a concern for anyone (in the long run). You will simply become more versatile in your ability to type on a 'regular' layout as well as any ergo/split layout you will use. The backlight issue is already mentioned in the comments, should also not be an issue or deal breaker on an ergonomic keyboard. First for 'ergonomics' you shouldn't be working in the dark. Second you should be using it as a touch typist and type without looking you dont really need any backlighting. The F and J keys have those bumps so you can orient your hands/fingers without looking. So the backlighting would only be for 'looks'. Which is hardly worth it on a battery powered keyboard. The price however is a different story, and especially compared to a Microsoft Sculpt, which is still somewhat available despite its age for €90 which includes a wireless keyboard AND mouse (half vertical design), has a better 'ergonomic' design because the numpad is split off seperatly which lets you keep your mose closer to your keyboard (better for your posture). What i missed from this review is how many keys it can roll over, since the Microsoft Sculpt could not handle certain key combinations used in gaming (Shift + W + A + R for example to reload while sprinting sideways) which made me decide to NOT use it at home (and instead purchase a then €300 Truly Ergonomic which since broke..). And any form of 'latency' test to see if it is actually viable in the day and age of 165Hz monitors. So for now, it is more expensive and less ergonomic (due to numpad position) than competitors and it has no documented benefit besides being Unify dongle compatible and being able to swap between 3 systems. If it had no impactful (wireless) latency (i use wireless gaming mice for years, G403 currently) and no issues with key rollover I might actually replace my Logi G Pro with this so i can easily swap between gaming system and laptop without changing any cables or dongles.