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Logitech's Vertical Mice | MX Vertical and Ergo Lift

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I tried Logitech's two veritcal mice, as I am looking for a mouse that can reduce the stress I feel in my wrist. Reviewers are saying the Lift is "better for smaller hands". But what does that mean?
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@Aerothorn 2 года назад

I'll also say: one reason you're getting that rub is that in the video, the desk is above your elbows. You want your desk to be at, or even slightly lower, than the level of your elbows at rest (and yes, this means your legs will be right up against the bottom of the desk when you're sitting!). That's not specific to vertical mice, that's a general ergonomics thing (and one that 99% of American desks fail at, because they were literally designed a 6 foot person - this will be less of an issue for you, but the shorter you are the worse it is) but it will definitely exacerbate the rub!

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Thanks for the tip! I use a standing desk, so when I'm standing I don't have that problem. I did pick up a wrist rest that I'm using all the time. And that has dramatically helped.

@thebigfidelio5970 2 года назад

@@TechAdventure1 What wrist rest have you bought? Are you using it with a vertical mouse or a classical mouse? Thanks.

@AY-gf3jq Год назад

@@TechAdventure1 or what may help you is a trackball mouse which does not require the hand to move constantly. But do prefer those for fingers and not thumb.

@SageRites Год назад

This is true this guy needs a more ergo desk first

@squirts1 Год назад

yep. most desks are too tall. That's why I built my desk about 24-26" off the floor with the top being only 3/4-1" thick (thin). This lets me lower my chair so my thighs are parallel to the floor with feet flat on the floor and the desk top is at elbow level when sitting. I'm 5'10" tall. When sitting, my elbows are only a few inches higher than my legs. This is why a thin desktop surface is important.

@JWNRW59 Год назад

I have a left handed Lift and it has been a boon to my long stretches in front of a computer. Logitech's sizing tool indicated my hand was large but as the MX Vertical isn't available in a left-handed version, I ordered the Lift and have been totally satisfied. There is no issue with the wrist pressure for me -- I always have my office chair about 1/4" or so above the surface of my desk - whether sitting or standing, and no issues at all. The big bonus and main reason for purchasing the Lift was to reduce pain and discomfort in my elbow which has had recurring tendonitis for some years now. Perfect solution for me, ymmv.

@ahmadnaufaldai 2 года назад

The biggest problem in this video is your table is not so ergonomic. You need your elbow to be higher then the desk surface if not completely level.

@annissim4 2 года назад

I think the biggest pro for the MX Vertical is the rechargeable battery, which not only allows the mouse to be used while it's charging, but also makes the overall balance and weight better distributed As for the ergonomic side, I have the MX Vertical and for me, the key aspect of using a vertical mouse (or any mouse for that matter) is to have your elbow at a 90º angle to the desk. The way it's showing in the video, your elbow is below desk level, so I'm guessing that's why it feels so uncomfortable. I also find that using a desk mat helps with the feeling of having your wrist brushing against the desk surface.

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Thanks! I didn’t quite have my arm setup as normal because I was trying to get everything within the frame of the camera. But for sure your comment will help someone (and myself as I have been rethinking how I’m setup).

@brittanystorey9460 2 года назад

As a woman with small almost child like hands I was tempted to try this for my tendinitis I already have a mouse pad with a raised jelly part that supports the wrist so I think the smaller mouse might work well for me. Thanks for the video!

@areebhussain321 Год назад

Hi! Which mouse did you end up getting?

@jannieschluter9670 2 месяца назад

I use a normal, flat mouse. I rest my hand in a state that is in between handshake and horizontal. Just because a mouse is built in a horizontal and flat way, that does not mean that you have to force your hand and wrist to fully rest flat on top of it.

@loftlike 2 года назад

It's not just about the hand size, but also how you hold/grip a mouse. For example, I have slightly larger hands than the medium size as Logitech has shown on their size chart, but I have a claw type grip. So, for me, the LIFT Ergonomic is a good to go option. As for the wrist position, it is supposed to keep your wrists off the mousepad, but again as shown in this video, it is how you typically hold any mouse. At the end fo the day, research for the best option based on your hand size + your grip type. Hope you find one that suits you the most! Peace!

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Good stuff!

@wyup Год назад

most comprehensive and real use review of these mice

@cspensie 2 года назад

I literally love that you made a video on this!!!!!!! I bought the MX vertical and I had issues reaching the buttons on the side but I think I might exchange it and buy Ergo lift.

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Thank you! I picked up a wrist rest and it's much better. In actually using the Lift because the buttons are quiter.

@0range1968UK 2 года назад

aye same .. appreciate this is here.. ta.

@footpath0592 Год назад

I bought both. Lift is rounded so it feels better in my hand. According to the Logitech's sizing chart the Vertical should be better for me

@lsy97 2 года назад

Mine is about 6.3 inches so I think the Lift vertical will suits me more! It's quite a new model and I couldn't find a lot of reviews on it on forums. Been undecisive between Lift & MX vertical as well. Thank you so much, Ithink I have made up my mind!

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Enjoy!

@lfsd0414 Год назад

what did you decide on? I am torn between the 2 and have small hands.

@duchenedesignsolutions7036 2 года назад

Mx vertical does pair via Bluetooth without a dongle with up to 3 devices. It tracks better when using the dongle though. Pairs great with iPads too.

@richardkenan2891 Год назад

I use a folded hand towel or washcloth to rest my forearm when using my mouse. It only gives maybe 1cm elevation above the level of the mouse pad, but apparently it's an important 1cm.

@subsubmachine Год назад

you meant "ergonomist", my friend

@b0nyb0y31 Год назад

Just to provided correct info so that people don't misunderstand: 1. Product pages for both models have a sizing guide to figure out the size of your hands. Just Ctrl+F for "sizing guide". 2. Both models support Bluetooth, so you don't necessarily need to use provided dongle. 3. As Dylan Holmes said, the desk is unergonomic because it's too high. If you have to lift your shoulder up (like at 3:26) to stop your arm from rubbing against the desk, then it's the desk that has to be adjusted first (even prior to thinking of buying a vertical mouse). If you have your arm pressed in that deep by the edge of the desk (like at 3:13), that's just tendinitis waiting to happen.

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Thank you for your observations and suggestions! I’ve implemented suggestions from others over the months and I’m feeling the positive difference.

@byeongchangil1738 2 года назад

Thanks for the review. I think you can adjust your chair's height, or use a motion desk, which can change desk height by motors. That can reduce palm friction. You also can use a sliding mouse pad, which has very low friction.

@zahari_s_stoyanov Год назад

Today I tried both in a gadget store. Tested on a pad with a wrist prop, because I always tend to rest my wrist and drive the mouse with my fingers as much as possible - almost like a joystick. My hands are the same size as yours and to me both felt nice. However, I also tried the MX Ergo trackball mouse and I was surprised how natural it felt - you just rest your hand on it and your thumb does the tracking. Now I'm watching more reviews of all three to decide which one to buy

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Someone in the comments recommended the Microsoft Ergo mouse. It’s like a rounded shape. It’s awesome. Thanks for watching.

@zahari_s_stoyanov Год назад

@@TechAdventure1 I suspect you're referring to the Sculpt. Not my thing. I ended up purchasing the MX Ergo

@inonil309 2 года назад

very helpful, for someone like me who is having painful shoulder, neck after getting a normal mouse larger than my hand. I will try this one next. My hand is 6.5 inc. So will go for a smaller one. Thank you.

@notinajaronmars 2 года назад

Hey folks another option worth considering is something called a "vertical mousepad". I addressing the same neutral posture issue in the wrist, but you can use any mouse with it. It's been helping me out a lot with my sound, video, photo editing, and some gaming. Good luck. Orb control makes one called mouseramp.

@squirts1 Год назад

except when you take your hand off the mouse it falls off the ramp? seems silly to be honest. EDIT: I looked up this product... WHOA! that is the absolute worst possible design for wrist health. FFS! are you seriously recommending this product? It's intentionally designed so that the entire weight of your arm is resting on the side of your wrist... Even worse still... this product locks your arm into one position forcing you to move the mouse ONLY by torqueing your wrist in an even more exaggerated way than you would do with a normal mouse on a flat table.... This is very bad for your wrist. I honestly can't even find the right words to explain how much worse this is than just using a normal mouse on a flat table top. There are 2 major reasons a vertical mouse can help wrist strain. One is uncrossing the bones in your arm to take pressure off the nerves. The other is that they should stop the side to side / lateral wrenching of your wrist joint. You should be trying to move your arm at the elbow and shoulder, not your wrist. This product forces you to move the mouse in the most damaging way possible.

@sep271960 2 года назад

Just like what Dylan Holmes said, you need to lower your desk so that your arm is parallel with the top of the table or a little bit lower to avoid any part of your wrist from touching the top of the table thus avoid the rubbing. Also, you should have your mouse close to the edge of the table not in the middle of the table and that goes with your keyboard as well. Both devices need to be close to the edge of the table to avoid contact with your wrist. Another thing is when you move your mouse from side to side, you need to move your whole arm not bend your wrist side to side. This is why a lot of computer users get CTD due to the unnecessary bending of the wrist. Thank you.

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Thank you! Huge

@gilbs72 Год назад

There is a sizing guide on Logitech's website. Not sure if this is recent, or existed at the time of this video. Basically, the Lift is for hands measuring 6.9cm/7.5in and below. MX vertical for >7.5in.

@EduardoSimioni1 Год назад

I have the MX Vertical for a bit more than 3 years now. In my case the wrist does touch (actually sits on) the desk, but I found that I rarely move my wrist, most of the times I'm just moving my fingers and a little bit the hand. My hands are about the same size as yours. I don't hold the mouse in a way that it is filling the palm of my hand, there is some space in between, and I move the mouse using mostly my fingers instead of the hole hand. The sensitivity setting probably helps here. I also have a rubber mat under the whole working area.

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Thanks for sharing. I have challenges with my posture that I need to correct.

@heyheymey8405 Год назад

I have no problem pressing that part of the palm because unlike normal mice, the vein is not getting pressed and that is what causes carpal tunnel syndrome. to have better control with a vertical mouse, you don't move the whole arm, but move the mouse with your four fingers around. like a handshake. it also reminds me of joysticks.

@JustinKLenoff Год назад

Hey I had the same issue with my wrist. But I got a mouse pad with wrist support and now it is very comfortable

@CajunTactical Год назад

I will tell you this, I have broken my hand several times in my life (4 times) and being in my mid 40s my hand hurts hurts everyday. This has been a blessing to me as I have had some relief in pain. I have 4 of these . One on every computer use. I hope this helps someone

@al70127 2 года назад

Both vertical and lift can connect via Bluetooth.

@zsm5833 Год назад

everyone suggesting desk should be a bit lower than where your elbow at. i have a suggestion other way around. you place the desk way higher than your elbow, and place the mouse near the edge of the desk. For me this means your wrist is slightly "hovering" on the desk, it doesnt rub the desk that much but barely touches it. It looks a bit like playing piano. I even use this posture for gaming, I dont feel like placing my forearm on the desk when using computer is comfy

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Thanks! I recently installed an under desk tray. I’ve found more comfort this way. Especially while standing.

@eduardorojas9690 2 года назад

You definitely have very large hands. I have a medium/large hand according to Logitech’s chart and my hand fits beautifully on the MX Vertical. My wrist or palm do not touch the desk at all. Thanks for the side to side comparison I’m contemplating on getting the lift for a second desk setup but it does look tiny.

@nokuntrol Год назад

Staples, my local office supply store, has these on demo. You could also walk in and see how it might fit in your hand.

@krenkson Год назад

I like the MX size and design unfortunately those stupid people in logitech do not make left hand version .... rrrrr

@polluxtroy2010 2 года назад

Thanks a lot!, you’ve answered the questions I was trying to look for researching for these, you even have a similar setup myself, Ultrawide+27inch

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Which ultrawide are you running? I just filmed a review of a ThinkVision 34 and I'm working on a Viotek now.

@JEYMS 2 года назад

Which one needs less force for the click ? I click A LOT (CAD Software) so it matters to me, but I can't try them before buying them anywhere..

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

The lift.

@pearspeedruns 2 года назад

@@TechAdventure1 I’m going to try the Lift. Been looking for something with less click resistance as well.

@justmango_ 2 года назад

Hey, just wanted to say that this video was super helpful! I have a Logitech G604 right now and I have the exact problem where the bone on the pinky-side of my wrist rubs against my deskmat, and I was hoping that one of these vertical mice might resolve that problem. My hand's a bit smaller than yours, but not by much. Seems like I might have to look for other options. Thanks for this video!

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

You’re welcome! I’m no expect on this stuff and I’m grateful for some of the comments that seem to demonstrate some knowledge around this stuff. Worth a read.

@Khundire Месяц назад

I honestly would not trust a reviewer that owns 2 mice and has no idea they both can connect to 3 different devices through Bluetooth + 1 more with the dongle. At 2:06 mentions "that's cute" to one of the most awesome features of these mice, which is to be able to pair them through Bluetooth to 3 different devices and select it with a click of a button with visual feedback (LED).

@Luckeydogs Год назад

Thank you for making this honest, straightforward video that focused on ergonomics/ergonomicists. Why do all mouses suck?

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Even apple can’t make a great mouse….

@Pablo-Herrero 2 года назад

Thanks for the video! Just a small advice: give measurements in metric as well, a length in inches has no meaning for a lot of us.

@joshhill6317 2 года назад

Just get on Google and do a conversion. It takes two seconds to type it in 😂

@alf8718 2 месяца назад

Have You tried a vertical mouse with a wristpad?

@b25671 Год назад

I noticed the same issue... BUT ... using a gel wrist pad helps A LOT! People should use a wrist support... with any mouse.

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Which do you recommend? I’ve tried a few with unsatisfying results.

@b25671 Год назад

@@TechAdventure1 I use this one 16977-bigfoot-mouse-pad-black But I cut off the left part, so it can be more close to my keyboard (ms sculpt). So a rectangular one would be even better I guess. I also put plastic foil underneeth it, so I can shuffle it around a bit. For me, ergonomics is also about the ability to being dynamic (+ comfort offcourse). As for the mouse, I use a logitech triathlon, for its extra functionalities to controle my sounds (music). (thumb-button + gestures). I'm still waiting for the world to develop a vertical mouse, having these extra's.

@belzaboul 2 года назад

very helpful thanks, also logitech has hand size reference in their site.

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Thx. I’m trying to work on my posture. I think that’s the issue. Too many people love these mice.

@Mike0193Azul 2 года назад

Wrist rest will definitely help with that issue. But i saw that you already got one. I am trying to decide between these and the new mx master 3S. Moving on from a mix master 2s, I really want the quietest mouse haha and supposedly the lift is even more quiet than the 3S. From the video i see it is even more quiet than the vertical. Do you find them more comfortable than normal mice, especially the mix master series if you ever used them?

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

The lift is super quiet. I think the Mx master form factor is the most comfortable.

@seinfan9 8 месяцев назад

I have an L-shaped desk both at work and at home. This seems to prevent the issue you're having since my entire arm rests on the desk as I use the MX vertical mouse.

@GODzilla_FH 2 года назад

Logitech has setup their own measurements on their webseite. "Medium" is up to 19cm for instance, above 19cm is "Big". Mine is 18cm, so "Medium". Simple, right? Nope. :D I'm used to the "claw grip", so my fingers are angled, which means the handspan is shorter than 18cm. So what I found out is that a bigger vertical mouse doesn't work for me. I will give the Lift a try for sure.

@auroranamex5886 Год назад

Same for me. And I find lift still is too bulky. its also too heavy, and ironically not comfortable to lift.

@dorstefan Год назад

Really good explication. Thank you.

@CKallias_SteelEternal 2 года назад

You CAN use the MX Vertical on bluetooth... I do. I don't know about the lift as I don't have one

@EvanescenceRDfan 2 года назад

I have had the same issue of rubbing hand, I do recommend you oned that have a removable platform at the bottom that holds your hands bottom.

@Frank020 6 месяцев назад

My hand is short of 7.25. my work computer due to security does not allow software: Is that going to be a problem for adjustments?

@agente180 2 года назад

Good analysis. Thanks.

@duanpaulocleypaulsantos6589 2 года назад

great review! Thanks for sharing!

@geminimanvfx Год назад

I have same mouse, your'e just using it wring by standing, try using when you sit no concern at all

@DamienSawyer 2 года назад

I've had an MX Vertical for just under two years. The left button is failing, effectively making it impossible to click and drag. The buttons feel pretty cheap and so whilst it's really disappointing, it's not really a surprise it failed so early.

@EduardoSimioni1 Год назад

Same here, in my case it is the right button, that gets at least 10 times less clicks than the left one. It works, but inconsistently.

@DamienSawyer Год назад

@@EduardoSimioni1 I complained to Logitech and, even though it's out of warranty, after I pushed a bit they sent me a replacement mouse. Good on them.

@KillerBearsaw 4 месяца назад

"small is a relative term" oh ffs, you know they have hand measurement charts on their site?

@sureshchaudhari4465 Год назад

exactly what i experience in vertical mouse

@hebertgodoy5039 2 года назад

Thanks

@deskjethaha97 2 года назад

One thing to point out is that at least the MX Vertical supports Bluetooth…

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Truth

@TharinduWeerasooriya 2 года назад

@@TechAdventure1 Seems like the Lift does as well? According to their website.

@angelsegarra Год назад

great review, resting that pinky side of your hand on the table looks like it would be very bad for the ulnar nerve.

@bogdangirdea8929 2 года назад

Very very useful video. I have the same problem: "which one should I buy?"

@tharumaravi 6 месяцев назад

Yes, I have exact same issue with the MX Master 3, which mouse do you use now?

@TechAdventure1 6 месяцев назад

I think you'll be surprised...I'm on a MacBook 99% of the time and I use the trackpad. Whenever I'm on my PC its for gaming and I use a Logitech G502 X but I use an Xbox Controller whenever possible.

@tharumaravi 6 месяцев назад

@@TechAdventure1 Oh no, the macbook is a killer for the shoulder 😂 but yeah the quest for the perfect mouse is super hard....

@ShadiFagihi Год назад

Thank you

@DatingElevated 11 месяцев назад

I thought MX vertical is bluetooth?

@inpsydout Год назад

Hi there, thanks for the review. I had actually ordered the MX Vertical but cancelled it after watching your video. I'm finding it hard to choose between both because my hand, like yours, measure 7.5 inches which is actually on the upper limit size of the lift and the lower limit size of the MX vertical. I'm curious to know, after reading the tips on desk setup you've received, which one finally worked better for you? I'd rather buy lift because of price difference, and just use rechargeable batteries with it, but I wasn't sure if I should buy it because it was recommended for smaller hands. I live outside the US so can't order and then return or change.

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Hey thx for writing. I actually went a totally different direction. I got a wrist wrest and an apple trackpad. It’s not perfect but my wrist is happier. I’ve adjusted my desk, some, but I have to do more tinkering.

@alexgherman258 2 года назад

great video

@Dewd54 Год назад

Try stacking your monitors vertically. Helps reduce mouse travel

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Nice!

@user-iq334 Год назад

Majority of reviewers have no idea what they're talking about, they just read a script.

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Truth. And they use those dumb thumbnails.

@Tecstar70 2 года назад

Logitechs website say they are both Bluetooth enabled?

@alonzodavis3987 2 года назад

I had the same issue. Get a SOUNDANCE Ergonomic Mouse Pad, changed my life. Trust me.

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Thanks! Purchased.

@meyeame8956 Год назад

ffs the MX vertical uses the unifying receiver which doesn't match the rest of the current-gen ecosystem :(

@nowvoyager114 Месяц назад

Lift is Bluetooth not dongle

@NormalsOverrated1987 Год назад

You must try microsoft sculpt ergonomic mouse , better thant this two and MX 3 , believe me , we also have same size hand

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

I’ll try it!

@Ri5004 Год назад

How do you charge it

@228ANDY 2 года назад

So which do you think is better in general?

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

I think it depends on your hand size. Even with a wrist rest, I couldn't find a comfortable posture. So I returned them. Back to the Razer Pro Click.

@mczaga 2 года назад

There are wrist covered vertical mouses out there if u complaning about more wrist cover thing or maybe 3d print can help you.By the way im looking forward to find myself too.

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

I’ve tried those too. I may need to work on my posture as others have suggested. But those efforts haven’t been successful, even marginally.

@mczaga 2 года назад

@@TechAdventure1 maybe "DXT Mouse 2" help?

@mtk11able 6 месяцев назад

what does it mean? it means moose can't use it!

@uriel-rl4zy 4 месяца назад

This may sound a little disrespectul, but I swear that's absolutely not the intention, I am just trying to help you get the best use out of this mouse. The reason you are sliding your wrist on the mousepad all the time is that you are using the mouse wrong. If you anchor the ball on the outside of your hand on the table, you can use your wrist AND your fingers, to get the pointer to where you want. You just have to get used to this new motion, as the wrist movement will make a diagonal movement on the screen, which you can compensate for using your fingers. Making both motions at the same time, will get you a "infinite" pattern on the mouse cursor on your screen. Even with big monitors, this is enough to reach any point on the screen, without having to move your hand at all, the side of your hand will be sitting on the table the whole time, without sliding at all. Vertical mouses are not supposed to be used like normal mouses. Let me know if you try this and it helps. Cheers!

@boliu1565 2 года назад

Hi. I see that x1 carbon 2022 now has an 1920 screen option, would you will make a preview for its battery life?

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

Hi, I reviewed that one.

@dsm_796 14 дней назад

Don’t spend money on these. I had three so far over the past 4 years and they always get the same issue - the left button stops working, double clicking and drag and dropping become a nightmare ! Repairing those is not for amateurs so each time I end up paying another 100 bucks for a new one. Here I am watching videos on this mouse because once again the last one I bought 1 year ago stopped working properly!

@johanlorentzon4963 2 года назад

I think I can see two problems from this video: Both mice are too small for your hefty hands Your desk is too high

@TechAdventure1 2 года назад

I've tried lowering my desk - I don't find the posture comfortable. Do you recommend pushing through it? Also, man...my hands aren't hefty :) The lens probably make them look large. But, assuming you're correct, what mouse do you recommend? Thanks!

@EstebanRapido 8 месяцев назад

3:10 You need to sit higher or your desk needs to be lower.

@youtubehand 5 месяцев назад

That desktop is way too high. You should adjust your desk / chair height befor you start talking the ergonomic of other accessories

@60tiantian 2 года назад

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@anujverma9444 Год назад

I want a joystick

@Gride9782781 2 года назад

I don't think you wrist issue is a mouse issue, I think it's a wrist rest issue.

@lennypichardoborrello6532 Год назад

Your seat level is too low, it should be higher so you get a 90 degrees angle on you elbow

@TechAdventure1 Год назад

Thank you!

@markfalina9160 Год назад

The reasoning behind a smaller sized mouse is simple. IT'S A SEXIST STATEMENT!!! Logitech is saying "Why are we building mice for men? The man is the person inside the office (making the real bucks). The person outside the office using the computer most is the secretary who is typically a woman. Lets build a smaller mouse which is comfortable for her." Hence, the small size of the top of the line mouse. If Logitech had brought out this in the early to mid 70's (if any of you were around back then!), they would never have gotten their business off the ground. Bell bottoms may be coming back into style, but hopefully sexism isn't!