Lone Survivor and the Failed Operation Red Wings | What Really Happened? 

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I thought that seemed a little funny.

100% spot on.

Marines didn't understand why you wouldn't go in on foot, they somehow knew fast roping in may give you away

There's 2 huge reasons for the SEALs continually screwing up due to feats of ego. Firstly, there is no requirement for combat training or experience prior to BUD/S. You can enlist in the Navy on a contract to go to BUD/S immediately after recruit training, and enlist at 17. Compare to USMC or US Army special forces standards where there are requirements for rank and qualifications prior to being eligible for special forces selection. You'd have to graduate boot camp and attend several other combat related training courses just to qualify for SFAS, whereas a recent high school graduate can attend Navy recruit training and then be sent to BUD/S and then to Parachute Jump School, and then to SEAL Qualification Training which would be the first tactical and combat focused training a prospective SEAL would get. This means SEALs have a relatively low combat experience level (as compared to line units). Iraq and Afghanistan had heated periods where US Army and Marine line units were getting into contact every day, whereas special forces units typically have to wait for their mission set to come up or perform recon type missions that avoid combat (such as Red Wings). The result is the SEALs planning their share of Red Wings had little tactical experience whereas the Marines that had initially planned the operation had done so many times. IIRC only Luttrell had a prior combat deployment of the 4 SEALs involved in Lone Survivor. Axelson and Dietz were on their first combat deployment in Afghanistan in 2005, and Murphy's prior deployments were to Qatar and Jordan. They just didn't have the experience or the maturity to conduct the operation, as demonstrated by the SEALs making demands of their part in the operation if any of their assets were used. Second, only about 10% of recruits that enlist in the Navy on a SEAL contract actually make it to the teams. The rest fail at some point during training. And if you enter the Navy on a SEAL contract and fail training you revert to an open contract and the Navy can place you wherever they want. This is very important to the Navy because they have a wide variety of technical jobs that are necessary but difficult to fill and the Navy is having issues with manpower shortages. The biggest service the Navy SEALs provide to the Navy is being a source of recruits for undermanned jobs. Because of that the Navy is incentivised to glorify Naval Special Warfare and make them out to be the heroes to attract recruits, similar to the USAF glorifying their fighter pilots despite that being the minority of jobs they have to offer.

You are 100% correct

@@hunterkiller232134well the Army and Marines never made mistakes right? I’ll say this the marines have made way more mistakes then the SEALS. Just stop it. I respect all our military branches.

Yeah, I heard that too. That's pretty wild.

@@FormerActionGuys SA-7....AKA Strela-2....like a stinger.

As a former Marine aerial gunner in CH-53E’s in OIF, the SA-7 is a nasty weapon system. If they get you locked with that you’re going to have a bad day. That’s what took out a CH-46 from HMM-364, call sign Morphine 12. That was our 3rd MAW casevac unit on my deployment in 2006-07. That killed 7 of our guys. Semper Fi🇺🇸

exactly what was used@@MDR-hn2yz

As a a former MH-47D crew member who actually flew on 146 and knew nearly everyone killed, the amount of ASE on our birds can defeat ALL known anti air systems. It was an RPG-7. Those rockets took out most of the aircraft we lost.

Not sure about Luttrell book but a few of the other "hero" stories had to be reviewed by the military prior to releasing. It's all just propaganda....just like everything to do with Afghanistan and Iraq and the entire war on terror, including the evidence that took us both places. The entire 20byears of Americans guarding poppy fields and looking the other way on human trafficking and honor killings and the regular and systematic killing of civilians was all.....bullshit

It's jarring to realize how many crooks and dirt bags exist in the military.

Yup

And his body supposedly wasn’t riddled with bullets and ragged by falling off cliffs. He didn’t crawl 7 miles. The antihero podcast on this is great!

Drone video knows what happened and so does Marcus.

There is a predator drone feed of marcus running. This is worse than finding out santa wasn't real when I was a kid.

Yeah well when people are trying to kill you and never experienced you either fight or run. They ran. It happens. But yeah he got rich over pure cowardice not a surprise in America. Pieces of shit usually get the edge in this world anyways.

The worst part is hearing about axelson being alive for a week before dying by himself

I had the autographed copy.......into the fire.

I wish that I didn’t spend money on the movie.

@@Maugwa I think even marcus doesn't remember correctly. I mean after something traumatic like that his memory is probably foggy. Either way that mission was doomed from the start. 4 navy seals going into enemy insurgent stronghold wasn't gonna end well

@@Maugwa I heard they don't do four man teams anymore because of that

​@@jonathanramos8414he knows he lied

That's intense man. Nothing worse than feeling helpless when something is going down.

So you got a play by play of a second aircraft getting shot down and the crew getting executed. Yet, we only lost one helicopter and the crew died on impact in a fireball. Curious that you have so much more ISR info. I mean I spoke with both the lead investigators of the crash and the S2 chief to watch whatever streams they had and noting you mention was ever seen by anyone I know in the spec ops community. Is it possible you are privy to a coverup? I guess.

it was a big pissing contest going on with tf devil commander and jsoc command on securing the site , jsoc started bringing in seals from germany and 2-75 why had to wait 2 days . they was going at it on the net. u guys shoulda rolled but soar wouldnt fly anyone unless they fell under spec op command

Seems to me that every time we have a Medal of Honor, or something over-the-top, tragic (as of this century, anyway).... It almost always revolves around our military brass not have a clue as to WHAT.....THE......F**K they're doing. Incompetence, negligence, or just not giving a sh!t. Like they're all sitting in a room going, let's see what happens when we put them in THIS scenario, with a plate of food in their hands.

There was a second chopper shot down?

Yeah that thing even happened here in Philippines maybe you heard of the 44 police commandos who were massacred almost a decade ago

Yeah they were made before even landing ,unfortunately, the goat herders regardless if they killed them or not they would of only bought a little time or maybe not even a difference But LT Mike Murphy would of never Ever even though Of doing that

I don't care how elite you are. 4 seals against 20 or 30 well armed insurgents who have the high ground? Disaster waiting to happen

@@m4a1_delta66I was listening to another podcast with a former SEAL from that era who was actually confused as to why they didn’t follow SOP which was to zip tie the goat herders and exfil with the idea being they would obviously get out and/or make it back eventually but you would buy valuable time. The human brain is a malleable entity and I try to give Lutrell the benefit of the doubt. It’s not unheard of for people to misremember crazy events like that, especially with adrenaline pumping. Your mind is too tunnel visioned and too busy to get an accurate recording and often the gaps you fill are bigger than the actual concrete memories themselves. Without Hollywood or video games, I don’t think anyone would judge 4 guys going against 8 with higher terrain, crew-served weapons, knowledge of the land, and element of surprise. It sounds like serious mistakes were made in planning/preparation, but never in a million years would I claim to have faired better on that mountain once the chips started falling.

Whack um they say

They did decoy drops on other mountains but that wouldn't matter . Maybe that bought them a few hours.

Same with battle of takagar

Acid rage u have no more proof that ur facts are correct than the official story. U just choose to believe the story that makes them look bad. U really think the bad guys are gunna just tell u the real truth lol obviously they want to make themselves look badass and make America look bad. End of the day the details don't matter. They went in to do a mission. They were compromised and many seals lost their lives.

virtually no evidence exist that prove the helo insert was what compromised the team. Helos were used all the time. Plus in op whalers the STA team walked in and still got ambushed just like the SEALs in the same general area. So not even infiltration on foot was effective enough to sneak by shahs paid informants, which he no doubt had plenty.@@acidrage5206

You mean like the 8 guys Shaw had?

Yea, because in war terrain is always perfect! LMMFAO! CLOWN!

I was in 2nd Recon Bn Lejuene from 91-95. We went to Vieques to do naval gun fire. Got in position, could see the ship, contacted the ship, ship cancelled the op. I had spent the day before getting a nice sunburn on my back which added to the fun! LOL.

I was a young Lance Corporal assigned to the USS IOWA MARDET and got the lucky opportunity to get secondary training in calling in naval guns, AC 130’s, and using the modular laser designater to direct laser guided bombs onto targets from A 6 Intruders. Trained with ANGLICO, Rangers, 82 Airborne, and Marines from 10th Marines. It was an awesome 3 days and nights at the range. I was very lucky to o be there since I was just a lowly 0311. Circa March 1987.

I was a scout in the Army and got the opportunity to work with ANGLICO. Super sharp and professional.

@@dbohler8640 Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company. Yes, great guys.

@@SteveStarcher you were at the beach??? 2d Recon then Force at FC fall of 96 through 2000. We probably know some of the same bros! Did the same comm shots from Vieques OP and all points in between lol! SF🤘🏻

That's what I thought! Thanks for confirming.

Shot over Gunny

It's really a good book. So good, one of my friends stole my copy lol

Marcus told the story he was ordered to tell. Would love to see his original AAR with his command.

​@@warweaponx6629I'd bet it's filed under "Burn Before Reading" just saying.

V point don't explain what really happened..he barely touched the fire fight

Definitely different

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nope.

Nothing new

seals are most effective US specops at covering up the fuckups of seals

@@dsmoningtonit's a gift

Sounds like a helluva career

@@FormerActionGuyshope you check out my book when becomes available there Devil!

​@@FormerActionGuys Sounds like a good candidate to have on as a guest

​@@FormerActionGuysiv had a Hella of a career myself.........................on cod,battlefield, counter strike, medal of honor, ghost recon, rainbow six, doom, wolfenstein, halo, and gears of war 😂

S/H

Well it is said the ambush happened minutes after the goat herders were released, which can mean two things. One being that obviously the concept of time during such a traumatic event might have been a little fuzzy. But the most likely one is that the Taliban already knew they were there and were simply waiting for the herders to be released. Which is most likely because: • Someone definitely heard the chopper that dropped them off. • They cut the rope the SEALS descended from, leaving evidence of a drop as well as an indication of which direction they went. • The SEALS hiked around for 7 hours, that's a long time period in which they definitely could've been spotted. Sadly the book isn't a good source of information since a lot of it has been proven false since then by reports as well as camera footage of the Taliban who filmed the attack.

Very good points,@@CheeseRunner . Thanks for taking the time. :) I agree the time frame is fuzzy, and if I recall correctly, even though they choppered in at night, they had to do 3 landings where the SEALS got off at one of them - this is standard to conceal your actual position in a situation where the OPFOR hear you/see your chopper coming. However, if they cut the rope, it partially negates the advantage of landing three times because if someone sees the rope they know where you dropped off and may be able to pick up your trail. So yeah... it could be that they were spotted earlier or at least the chopper was heard in the infiltration portion of the mission. All of those are inherent risks in the missions the SEALs had anyway, so you're probably right... it might not have been the goat herds who spotted the SEALs (although they almost certainly reported the position to the local OPFOR), it could have been they were compromised before then without knowing it. I won't blame Marcus Luttrel's memory either - it's bound to be fuzzy after that ordeal.

Well, if it was just a mission to take the guy out using a sniper, I can understand using a small 4 man element. That does make sense, and snipers do usually operate in very small teams like that. But if that was the case, then they should have sent in a dedicated sniper team that does those kinds of missions. Marcus Luttrell was trained as the team's sniper, but they were not a sniper team. But it's been pretty clearly confirmed that their mission was to "capture or kill". And in that case, it does seem pretty odd, and to be honest, pretty foolish, to send just 4 guys for that. I also wonder why they stayed on target as well. But as someone else said, the attack supposedly came right after they released the goat herders, and they could have been made even before then without realizing it.

​@@mattjack3983they weren't there to capture or kill Shah. They were there to confirm that he was in the target area. Theirs was the initial phase of Operation Red Wings. The original USMC plan called for a scout sniper team to walk to their objective overnight days prior, and when their recon was concluded helicopters would bring in more Marines to cordon off and search the area. The Marines wanted to borrow the special operations aviation assets but got told having SEALs conduct the recon was the price. So a 4 man SEAL team was used for the recon and chose to helicopter in, which compromised them.

​@@mattjack3983 I agree - the team certainly wasn't organized as a sniper team - even if they had a sniper on the team. And based on your and @CheeseRunner's comments it sounds far more likely they were made before the goat herders were released.

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The Marine Corps are known for their infantry/grunts. The majority of the civilians assume that if you're in the Marine Corps then you're in the frontline duking it out.

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Feel like it's gonna fuck with the optics if ya'll make this acronym a recurring thing. lmao

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I told them not to go but don't listen to me . I am not on the TV , I do not feel sorry for them . 911 was inside Job

Thanks for checking it out! He's definitely done his research.

This analysis is dead on. I've trained and rubbed elbows with SEALS in the Marines and in my stint in the Navy. SEALs are never trained in standard infantry tactics. Marines know how to plan missions and use overwhelming firepower and how to plan comms. SEALs culture is arrogance, but bullets don't care if you're a SMU or 0311. The mission should have been aborted at loss of comms.

Blame Hollywood. We're just people.

@@joemama69448 sure but some vets helped fuel the myth with their Walter Mitty tales.

Have you ever seen real combat footage? The U.S. special forces are excellent compared to the enemies. The bad guys can’t shoot at all

The only difference between a SOF and regular army is they will die before they quit

@@charlieb308 yeah there's like 8 guys. They found no dead enemies or evidence of such after the fight. Considering Marcus said there were 25 afterwards in the report but then claimed it was 200 is fucking hilarious.

Thank you! I appreciate the support.

Old school lol

@@FormerActionGuys 80’s 😂

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I didn't know that definitely keep a eye out fingers crossed it'll be released

The predator feed showed Marcus running away the entire time. But the navy covered that up and turned that coward into a hero and made him millions.

@@terrencegibbons3351 I wish they could release the footage I wouldn't be surprised he looks like a liar

i know this is a stupid question, and maybe not possible in 2005, but the military couldn’t use like some sort of ‘live’ drone footage for tracking the SEALs location and maybe even comms?

​@@homersimpson6167 I hope so too because up to now it could very well just be more BS.

The seals hot dogged a lot of ops and have been bailed out many times cause of it. Including ruuuning into marsoc units and asking for food and cold weather gear cause they packed light.

@@TJ_CrayonBeltFeeder I believe it. Absolutely believe it

I think there's a problem with SOF units sometimes when they don't have a clearly-defined role in a conflict, and at the same time buying into their own hype. Obviously this particular mission was planned for Marines and there was no reason SEALs had to be involved. But to some extent, SOF units have to continually justify their existence, so they lobby to get missions that might be perfectly suitable for conventional forces, if not more so. I think this is a particular problem for white side SEALs, who don't exactly have a doctrinal role in the way that Green Berets do, for example. This can even be a problem for "tier one" units. During the early stages of the Falklands war, the SAS decided they wanted in on the recce phase of the operation to secure South Georgia, a remote arctic island about 800 miles away from the Falkland archipelago. The SBS were already going to conduct reconnaissance, so the SAS came up with their own plan, which involved landing on a glacier in the middle of severe weather. Senior officers and helicopter pilots told them that it was a terrible idea, and the task force commander basically said no thanks. So the SAS used a sat phone to contact the office of prime minister Thatcher, who was enamoured of the SAS after the Iranian embassy siege two years earlier. Thatcher told the commander to let them do it. Long story short, the SAS were unable to move in whiteout conditions, and two helicopters were lost after attempting to extract them Fortunately, everyone was eventually rescued. To be blunt, I think Red Wings was a combination of inexperience, poor planning, and professional arrogance. It was a long time ago, so you'd like to think some lessons have been learned from it. Not least of which should be that nobody wins a straight-up gunfight against a numerically superior force without support. It doesn't matter if you're a Navy SEAL, or if there's 80 enemy or 8. I've wondered before if SEALs lack of infantry background leads to an under-appreciation of basic concepts like that.

I think there were big complaints from some SEALs that the unit is not unit of “silent professionals” but because more of an ego boost because of the popular culture surrounding them

I got the same vibe with the whole “you can’t have access to 160th SOAR unless SEALs are involved.”

Well not sure, lone survivor book says it wasn't the 1st combat

Based on the video recorded by the tallies/militia (conflicting reports on the combatants loyalties), it was certainly far closer to 8 than even 20 or 30.

@@BlyGuywas you there lol do you actually think 8 men blind firing AK47s could take out a 4/5 man elite seal team

@@256Nato Why would the combatants with the far superior position on the high ground, with superior numbers and more firepower, including a machine gun, be blind firing on the Seals?

@@256Nato you should look up the definition of ambush lmao

⁠@@256Natothey had the high ground, had them surrounded by almost a complete 180° radius, knew their exact location upon ambush, had them pinned in a very steep valley that only they knew very well of, had double the men, and had superior fire power including machine guns and RPG’s. No 4 man team with semiautomatic rifles are winning that gunfight

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yeah, there was a small push between red wings and whalers, which we called Pittsburg. (Penguins). We did a lot of stuff at night during that one.

@@humphet U mean "shitburg" 2016 crybaby Crosby complained and Nashville had two goals withdrawn and lost the cup. I have no respect for the pens

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Sounds legit. The radios we're talking about are equivalent to walkie-talkies. Definitely not a setup like a RATT rig

I graduated Brem's Barracks as a 31C in '87. Enlisted in '85 as 54E NBC warfare specialist; then went to communications. Operated a VSC-2 in a Chevy Blazer on the ground invasion in first Gulf War. Got out in '95 just after they switched to MSE digital.

I remember the black Motorola radios used for inter-squad communications

He would NEVER do that.

Yeah they are great. But when fighting dudes in sandals that live in caves, encrypted comms just ain’t that important and in reality, there are a lot more potential failure points.

I'm not sure when it was phased out but I probably touched my last one around 2010-11

Its not a rumor. The Afghan that saved him said he had full mags

He sure unassed the area by dropping straight down the side of the Mtn.

Gulab, the guy that found and protected Marcus, states that he found 11 loaded magazines on Marcus's gear while Marcus states he nearly depleted all of his ammo. Believe that or not if you want but so much of the Lone Survivor book has been proven to be inaccurate (to say the least) that I think people tend to believe the magazine thing. And given that mentality and how people who are following the facts are a little cynical about everything at this point, they're probably being hyperbolic about that never even fired a shot thing.

@@protonaccount2811Ahh Gulab. Didn't he and Marcus have a beef about some things later on? I do believe a lot of details in the book are fabricated (proven) for sure. Is that because of Marcus, or the ghost writer? As to Marcus not firing a shot, I find that hard to believe. Especially since he's a trained SEAL that has seen combat, and his buddies are getting killed around him and he himself has gunshot, shrapnel and impact wounds all over his body. Not a single shot fired?

@@RFM-CDA Yeah, that's why I say believe it or not if you want. Here's my personal opinion on it. If they were ambushed badly enough and from an elevated position or position that was strategic enough that severely pinned down the SEALs, it is possible the opportunity to fire back was simply not possible, especially if the SEALs were stuck in retreat mode. In any case, I find it weird to think that he would not fire a single round even in act of suppression or cover fire. For the injuries, I'm sure he took damage but he mentions facial damage in the book and other speaking events but a picture taken of him while he was being protected by Gulab shows his face looking OK. Yes, maybe it's just a single detail wrong but it again calls into question everything when all these inaccuracies keep stacking up. For Gulab, I see that both ways. I think it's odd that Gulab decided to report the finding. But also the number of magazines is weirdly specific. Why did he count it? Why did he make sure all the magazines were completely full and are we sure he remembers correctly? The implication is that he is lying about the magazines to make Luttrell look bad because of their beef. This information was divulged before the beef when Gulab was temporarily stateside and Luttrell had arranged for Gulab to meet and speak with Patrick Robinson, author of the book. And the Rangers or Marines, forget which, that combed the battle site afterwards found the 7.62 casings attributed to the PKMs the Taliban were using but not the amount of 5.56 ammo that would corroborate the amount of return fire from the SEALs. People think the Taliban cleaned it up or something but what is the motive here? They already have 19 American kills and a downed helicopter to claim victory but they also feel the need to meticulously clean up the battle area to set up this propaganda story. Is there evidence of the Taliban doing this to other battlefields in hopes that not only will the Americans will come upon the area and count brass but that they're going to report it back to the American public to make themselves look bad?

@@protonaccount2811 agree with a lot of the things you pointed out. Lots of questions we will probably never know the answers to unfortunately.

That's a bummer

so did they ever have bad radios and/or reception? because obviously was able to radio back to the states

Well If you can't stand up for the truth that shows what kind of a man U are. But all that money gave him a gold digger wife and kids 😂

More than anything, I feel for the guy. This was a messed up situation for anyone to be put in.

@@FormerActionGuys no doubt. Wouldn't wish it on my enemy

​@@acidrage5206you're wrong about alot, grammar, spelling, history, but most of all this unwarranted ego you have being a brit is laughable. Put all this energy towards the Muslims pillaging your country and banging your women while you look on in fear.

@@acidrage5206you’re allowing yourself a whole lotta judgement for self admittedly not being military. Not a good look. SEALs are great at what they do, these guys were an SDV unit. Their job was diving. Murphy had screwed up prior and had to redeem himself. Dangerous mix when you have a unit thats not meant for the job, lead by a guy on a mission to clear his name. Theres always nuance to everything, take a step back and observe, rather than blurting out your non military opinions and making yourself look like a fool.

There was only 8 Taliban on film in the video. Didn't sound like gunfire from more than single digit number of fighters.

what is the chris kyle conspiracy?

@@bkhavityoway23 Many of his bodies were unarmed non-combatants

I've been trying to follow this over that past few months. A lot of what it boils down to is that the Taliban knew they were coming from the sound of the rotors and they knew the terrain. It was an ambush, simple as that. People seem to find it hard to grasp that Navy SEALs are supposed to be the best and most highly trained warriors in the world and are impervious to anyone that's not equally trained. They were ambushed and put into an unwinnable situation in territory they were not familiar so it has little to do with training at that point. The "8 Taliban fighters" thing comes from some leaked footage recorded by the Taliban from the ambush. You can take what you want from that. I think it's possible that not every single Taliban that was there that day was documented and recorded. And for the 40 number that you say Marcus claimed, that is an adjusted number from the Navy. Marcus's initial reported numbers were even higher than that and were very unbelievable, which is why I think people tend to pile-on Marcus's inaccuracies and believe other reports rather than give the benefit of the doubt and put it somewhere in the middle.

I've watched the reddit videos and all of Marcus videos on RU-vid. This whole story doesn't make any sense to me. Even the terrain where you can see Murphy's and Dietz bodies. Marcus says in multiple videos that the movie is accurate on what happened, but in his speeches he tells that they were in a diamond formation observing and he was taking a shut eye when the shit hit the fan. Rangers that found Marcus in the village said he was in his uniform and had all of his ammo on him. So it sounds like he tug tale and ran. There is a video where you can hear his team mates call his name but the video is removed and you can only read the comments. One thing that is very weird is how many videos are removed from social media. The comments are there to read but the videos is gone. This whole Lone Survivor story smells like shit. Then there is the Rob O'Neal, Chris Kyle, Roberts ridge, Jaco Willings and the list goes on, that if you dig a little into their stories you realize all these stories have some truth but are very very fabricated.

Well, there were only three SEALS who ever tried to fight. And, according to some reports, AX, who was found many days after Marcus, had only died within the last day or two. So, he COULD have been saved if not for ML saying they were all dead.

Odds that they were not "compromised" by goat herders but by their own helo insertion? I mean, SHIT, who/what do you believe at this stage.

@@jasoncapps3516The leadership could’ve chosen to continue the search for survivors mission.

From which unit?

wtf were you with the army dogs? I was in the marine clearing element and i never got a cool coin

Which video ? Only found the 30 min one of the aftermath

Many people think they hear English in the video but in reality it was only the foreign fighters yelling. I hear a faded "Allahu akbar "

I hear exactly the same, I still remember it," marcus come back, maaarkus"

I listened to the audio 10 times and didn’t hear that,

So what you’re saying is Marcus when the first shots were fired just ran and left his friends to die? Then later he injured himself to fake it so he could write a book and make money?

Is it released yet I need to see it

Guys have seen it

Not failing hmm

Marines opted to use their own scout snipers but wanted special operations MH-47s. Rules dictated by CJSOTF-A forced the marines to hand over the reconnaissance and direct action phases to a SOF ground team if special operations aviation was used. SEALs agreed to take it.

The TUC (tactical unit commander) was a SEAL Delivery Vehicle commander and wanted to prove that an SDV team could execute in the field. All four were from an SDV team, their job is submarine ops spending hours in their tiny SDV subs - not land operations at all. So you are right assuming SEALs would be better but these guys were SDV and this was a big ego stroke to prove their capability in country. I have also heard the TUC wanted it so Murphy could have a box checked as an officer, after he nearly got kicked out for shooting another student on a range during SQT. An infraction that would have sent an enlisted guy to the brig and out of the Navy. Again just what I heard

82nd was over the task force each batt has a scout sniper element and lerpes team damn e4 with halo wings . marines was there and shoulda got the opp they seasoned 504 had been there already from 03 to mid 03 went to iraq then back to afghan really experienced group

I'm guessing the combination of terrain, a heard of goats roaming and other factors lead to the decision. Ultimately the goat herders are I feel a non issue as I feel it's been accepted that the teams c9ver was blown. Every thing points to the fact killing the herders or taking them with them wouldn't of made a difference. Sadly ML seems to either have a personal agenda or he's been told by the military to spread an agenda of execution civilians.

The way I look at it is that Marcus has survivors guilt and blaming the goat herders is his way of coping. I agree the civies were probably a non-factor and they were already comprimised by that point@@chrismario6371

I always wondered the same thing. Maybe they didnt think to do it ? Dont know.

That was marcus Luttrels helmet they found apparently. It had a Texas star on it.

Was 173rd the company they made a documentary or movie about? Restrepo I think?

@@joshuawhite7515 yea restrepo the documentary was on battle company I was in chosen company that deployment

@@joshuawhite7515 and restrepo was actually a book as well well basically Sebastian junger was the guy reporter in the documentary and he wrote the book war which is about the same thing well if you read it the first three pages start off in a wounded soldiers room. At Walter reed well I’m that soldier But as for the documentary it’s all battle company.

@@joshuawhite7515 as for who’s helmet it was I’m not sure I never saw it and I sure as hell didn’t find it but I did walk through the crash site Such big mountains in that area

Yeah, I carried a 117G in my assault pack and two 152s on my vest with a spare battery for each.

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i watched it go down on the drones before they took our feed @@FormerActionGuys

they had all the air was platoon from 82nd pinned down on pakistan border near khost and could zero air

lol they had all the air was a platoon from 82nd in a big fire fight on the border on ht2911 and couldnt get any air support

"As the pilots climbed the last 1,000 feet of elevation, the AC-130 crew providing overwatch on their destination radioed to say they had to leave their position due to a mechanical issue. Brady knew that surveillance aircraft going off station without backup was supposed to result in aborting the mission. He asked the AC-130 crew for one final report on the four potential landing zones the Night Stalkers had identified for the mission. “We’ve got two military-aged males, possibly armed, on the northernmost LZ,” the crew reported. “Primary and secondary zones appear to be clear of potential threats.” Believing the gunship could make it back on station in time for the insertion, Brady made the call to continue the mission." - Operation Red Wings through the eyes of the Night Stalkers

And a ship was named after him to but I don't know if it was changed

Film Actors Guild was already taken.

Dude good catch …😂😂🇺🇸