Greetings from Scotland! With a single drive axle and that ramp so icy, it was never going to happen in reverse. They wasted so much time until reason took over and they allowed him to drive in forwards - 5 seconds, no problem! I wonder why hey didn't grit the ramp before he even tried?
A half decent 4x4 towing from the ferry, maybe something like a Land Cruiser would have given just enough extra momentum to get those driving wheels onto the ferry prow. Or salt and sand. Or lining the truck up straight before reversing. Or going on forwards (that driver looks plenty competent enough to reverse off at the destination.)
@@XXSkunkWorksXX Absolutely! I am surprised at how unprepared the crew/staff were! It was painful to watch. That ramp should have been cleared and/or salted before the ferry even arrived.
Excellent reversing skills with a very difficult configuration and that on packed snow that has turned to ice with a steep incline. For situations like that, perhaps having some matting they could roll out so that the lorry had some grip where it was needed. Although, I suspect that the matting would perhaps just slip under the wheels also. As someone has suggested, having the steep part of the ramp heated would also help, but that jus raises costs of using the ferry. In the end, they found the solution which in winter often means 'compromise'. The driver will need o reverse out on the other end which is likely not ideal as they wouldn't bother to insist that the lorry reverses in otherwise.
It was like watching the Keystone Cops. Standing ten feet away and throwing a handful of gravel under the wrong wheels. Not one of them put any down where the steepest part was. They made it impossible for that poor, (but obviously highly experienced) driver.
Var är hjullastaren med sandspridarskopan som borde ha stått redo på tomgång där? Det blänker ju rent av från lysena i blank isen som dom knappt kan gå på haha. Tycker dock det var ett riktigt snyggt ekipage, den korta dragbilen såg fin ut att manövrera. Skulle verkligen vara kul att få provbacka ett sådant ekipage.
A good tip while driving such a long rig on snow/ice, is to prepare a position where all wheels go in a straight line. The "wriggling" creates more resistance than one may believe.
I don't think backing a b-train up a ramp from the light outside into the darker cardeck is that simple, any little side movement at the back trailer will aquire some serious side movement on the truck. He still did a good job I think, the guys whit sand not so good.
I drove Internationally for 25 years in Germany after retirement from the Army. Simple solution: drop the last trailer, unhook the front one, back the last trailer in with truck, hook up front trailer back it in and rejoin.
@@ratherbeflying101backing up isn't the problem for this professional. It's the slippery deck that causes the problem. I also drive a b-train. Easy,with 2 fingers in my nose.😊
If that was here in the Uk with that ice & snow firstly half of Britain would be at a standstill and if you got to the port bet you any money good old health and safety would have stopped him boarding 🙈
Yes, that driver is a professional. It was the ice here that was the problem. I'm very surprised that they did not have more sand to place under the wheels. At the ports like this they should have a sand truck avaible for use since this is taking place everyday in Scandinavia. I drove trucks using Viking Line and Silja Line weekly back in the -70sh and early -80sh. Used these boats every week. Backed in truck and trailers all the tine but back then, the ports had plenty of sand to use for truckers but maybe they are savng money now these days but I'm very surprised to see this not being like high class as it used to be. Go ahed and sand more so the truckers can have sone Grip 😂 Amen ❤
In Australia and New Zealand all trucks that size have bogie (tandem) drive. Pity they couldn't hook another vehicle onto the back of the rear trailer to give it a bit of help over the lip.
@@petittrainguernsey3297 Sometimes more rubber on the road provides more traction than less rubber with more weight on it. Tractors arn't sold with 2 driving axles around the world just for fun.
@@EnjoyFirefighting Yes we do have 3 axles as standard in Norway but mostly still only one of the axles are drive axles and the other is a lift axle, and on the tandem drive trucks there is a button to transfer the weight on the drive axles so usely the middle axle has more pressure on the road.
Many 6x2 trucks here in the North have "Robson drives", but mostly dump trucks and timber trucks. This is a freely rotating cylinder that is pushed in (by hydraulic or pneumatic pressure) between the driving and the rolling wheels and makes the truck a 6x4 temporary, continuous use would wear out the tires. This is a lighter and cheaper system than a full tandem drive. And weight matters at long haulin. Less truck weight means more cargo weight. More driving axles also means more friction which means a higher fuel consumption. There are reasons why most European trucks have only one drive axle.
It surprises me that the ferry operator doesn't have some sort of winching assistance available to get the truck on quicker. If properly placed the rear of the truck could be dragged backwards onto the ship, thus leaving less weight for the prime mover to push. As another commenter stated, they could also have split the articulated into two parts and rejoined onboard. Two parts could have been loaded in the time it took for the failed reversing attempt.
That what I said also in my comment. I drove these trucks back in the late -70sh and Early -80sh and then no problems since they did use a lot if sand back then. Now, they don't use a lit of sand and I don't know why 😂😢@@dairyair4513
Rädda för att få in sand* på färjan? 🤔 *Grus i maskineriet. 😁 Mer sand eller typ som sprängmatta skulle kunna användas för att läggas ut, den bör dock fästas för att inte halka iväg. Kätting att kasta under drivhjulet funkar också, hjälpte en litauer som inte kom iväg på plan mark kastade en lyftkätting under. @@MrFinlandsuomi
Meinasin nauraa itteni kuoliaaksi kun porukka alkaa lappaamaan jotain hiekkalaatikko hiekkaa mikä vaan sekottuu lumeen sekunnissa 😂 Taas huomaa tuolla kommenteissa että ollaan niin osaavia ja oletetan että suomalainen rekka ja suomen pitäisi osata nämä hommat.....
You’re not going to fart around with chains at that point, that driver was smashing it in a shitty situation. The ferry crew saw it was impossible and made the right decision getting both trucks to drive on/ reverse off. Top driver.
Which one of these trucks in the video is more difficult to reverse? Given they're different articulated configurations . One is a b-double and the other is a dolly converter configuration . I'm guessing the dolly converter configuration truck.
Hyvä yritys rekkakuskilta. Satamaporukan toiminta aivan naurettavaa. Hiekkaa ripoteltu pikkuisen sinne tänne. Miksi ei hiekotettu kunnolla valmiiksi kun odotettiin laivan saapumista laituriin? Satamassa pitäisi olla paikat kunnossa, ettei siellä tarvitse enää vetää ketjuja pyöriin.
Håller fullständigt med. Man måste ploga ordentligt och därefter vräka på med sand. Stå där och slänga en näve sand bakom ett av hjulen... löjeväckande!
Why didn't they just drive in normally to begin with? I've never seen anyone reverse into a ferry? Certainly easier to revers out of it than into it, if you need to exit through the same place. I've never gone by ferry with truck though, so perhaps I simply don't know how it works. heh.
i have never seen such an unprepaired idiotic team like this (putting gravel by hand, running up and down like a bunch of headless chiks). just imagine this team should solve a critical issue :( so bad to see this struggle :(
Sad to see that. I know it's hard to reverse basically two trailers. Most of drivers is unable to reverse even with one. But few little things might help 1. position it straight and then reverse with a little bit more momentum - umpf 2. bit more of gravel under wheels will help. Crew made it around 4th minute but he left the prepared spot, not sure why. 3. a little winch/tug-car inside to pull him in would also help
when all vehicles make it onto the ferry with ease there's no reason why they should remove all the snow and ice. Especially when many vehicles are equipped with studded tires ... They'd put gravel or sand only in places where it's absolutely neede d
I'd have though the Fins would have some snow experience and have a mechanical grit spreader treat the whole ramp area before the ferry arrives. Just doing strips makes it difficult for a truck to reverse as they need extra room to steer the trailers. On the construction sites I worked on in the UK wherever possible an in - out gate system would be used to cut down on reverse action on a muddy site.
Thats why I was baffled when I watched the video. I spent 4 years working in Denmark and they had road snow clearing down to a fine art. Three or four snow ploughs would work in formation, starting in the overtake lane and pushing snow sideways to the next lane and plough, until the road was clear. Great to watch, also when it started snowing cars and trucks would drive off set to the previous vehicle, this would also clear the snow and not form ruts. The Danes also made great beer and sausage rolls with lots of mustard on.@@niemma2
Why didn't the driver drive in front first as soon as he started spinning his drive wheels. And the actions of the fe4y staff wasn't very helpful either,
@@ilkkak3065 I've just read a comment from the video uploader insisting that other different ferries operate differently, and that shouldn't happen if they have a union to safeguard safety protocols. Very nonchalant way of doing things
You can order a truck with any drive axle system you want, even 6x6. Tandem drives are mostly used on timber trucks and dump trucks where the system is most needed. This truck obviouly has dif lock, most have. But here are reasons why the 6x2 version is the most common: 1. Weight. Unlike in America, here you aren't allowed to have more load on a tandem axle where both axles drive than if only one axle drives. Tandem drive axles weigh more and the cargo capacity would decrease. 2. Fuel consumption. More rotating parts means more friction and a higher fuel consumption. It matters on long haul trucks. Also the price and maintaining costs would be higher. Many 6x2 trucks here in the North Europe have "Robson drives". This is a freely rotating cylinder that is pushed in (by hydraulic or pneumatic pressure) between the driving and the rolling wheels and makes the truck a 6x4 temporary, continuous use would wear out the tires. This is a lighter and cheaper system than a full tandem drive.
So no one thought it might have been a good idea to put some road salt down on the access ramp so truck's could get on the ferry seen as truck's don't have good grip on slippery surfaces 😂😂😂
Im wondering how much, and how fast the stern of Grace would have lovered, if it would arrage more ballastwater from bow to stern🤔 The last part of pier is also pontoon, so trucks weight will lover the pontoon and the ramp, but not (yet) the ship, making it even more difficult...seafarers, pls comment....
WHEEL SOCKS is all i can recommend in slippery situation like this. They have better traction then chains but are limited fore only short time use such as this. and they are super fast and easy to slip on and off. i always keep a pair under my seat.
I simply don't understand it took 12 minutes to decide that one truck with two trailers would not be able to push them uphill with only one driving axle. It can be "procedures", "rules", "load-unload easier", but in no way that thing was going to reverse on such a steep ramp. The second truck has tandem drive and was sliding to start leveled... And the "sand team" utterly uncompetent. One handful of sand? Seriously? Good for the driver who decided to board forward, but he could have saved 12 minutes of clutch.
Excellent driving!!!! And not loosing patience in a stressful situation..... I can understand there is nothing they can do about a slippery kay..... it never snows in Finland..... Greetings from the Netherlands, and a cheerful New Years Eve!!!
The person who invented the dolly trailers should go to prison, it is the worst trailer system in the world. Front axle turntable trailer and dolly system is stuff of nightmares. Cars with a trailers no problem, semi trailers no problems, i can back a semi trailer around the world, but when you add that extra swivel into the proverbial shit mix no way Jose. Also it is a ferry dock where a ferry is docking regularly, why isn't a heating system in the concrete. This is just asking for accident, winter comes every year. Technically winter comes twice a year. I thought Finns were more modern than this...
My theory is that this ferry at first is going from Åland to Stockholm where they unload it from the bow - and then to Turku where this truck is going. In Turku they unload the ship from the stern, so the truck is ready for it. But there's a hole in this theory too. I think the ship would go via Åland too when it returns from Stockholm so this is still a mystery.
@@Therearethings8148 The white 7.5 ton truck in the left side of the picture, had one in red and drove all over Europe in it, great loyal truck with 130 HP DTurbo Diesel, small for now but enough for then and with great fuel consumption.
@@Rammstein56 Nice! I hate Iveco. 20 years ago I had luck to drive Turbo Daily bus variant. I was mostly Volvo guy. Volvo is best in winter, on bad broken road and heavy conditions.
Spent 16 years driving on and off Ferries trucking from my home in Ireland all over Europe. Right from the start I was thinking why do they not just get him to drive on. Much easier to back off the ship down the ramp in those conditions rather than trying to reverse on. Eventually someone on the ship had some common sense
Seems like they need a huge winch attached to the floor inside the ship and attach it to the back of the rear trailer and use it as assistance to partly pull rather than completely push the trailers in from the cab end ?
In un posto come questo i cambiamenti climatici sono frequenti, il personale va addestrato devono essere pronti a qualsiasi evenienza, con quella la sabbiolina ridicola massima incompetenza penosi
Rangieren ist wie mit einem Drehschemel Anhänger, bloß es muss immer noch länger und größer sein, warum muss man immer noch mit Streugut nachhelfen?Es ist doch durchaus möglich diese Rampen mit Salzlauge oder gar Heizbar zu betreiben,ich beneide den Fahrer gerade nicht ,zumal es ja auch Fährschiffe mit Laderampen an Bug und Heck gibt.
Many 6x2 trucks have "Robson drives", but mostly dump trucks and timber trucks. This is a cylinder that is pushed in (by hydraulic or pneumatic pressure) between the driving and the rolling wheels and makes the truck a 6x4 temporary, continuous use would wear out the tires. This is a lighter and cheaper system than a full tandem drive.