He kills like all of Parliament after this. The entire room is filled with their corpses. He doesn't care because they are all going to die anyways. The only members of Parliament left is Wyll's father who is Tadpoled and the black elf lady who he intends to publicly hang if you don't free her. Anyone else is a collaborator.
I am forever shocked that he is always so honest about his deal with the MC. Dark Urge or not, he fully intends to honor any deal he makes and share power. I didn't see that coming, especially after learning that he worships tyranny.
@@PsyrenXY Of course he can lie. Its simple and open manipulation that he wants to use us to get rid of Orin. I don't get why people think because he kisses ass it somehow means he is a bro...
It's interesting how much more reserved he is here, compared to if Durge turns up without Karlach. If that's the case, he's downright effusive about how much he likes you.
Gale shouted at my Tav after this conversation in a way I've never been shouted at before in my entire life. Even I was hurt by it, and it's not even real 😂
After doing some research into this scene there is appropriate party dialogue thats supposed to fire off and even romance specific versions but seems its entirely bugged and nothing works as it should, so this pivotal scene falls flat. Hope they fix it cause it would be alot better.
Maybe it’s because BG3: Simp Simulator has my brain in a total chokehold- but the way Gortash says nearest and dearest had me expecting a reveal that he and Durge were more than just partners before Orin came along and scrambled our brain.
Tbh Gortash talks / thinks (according to Detect Thought) about Durge like he had the biggest crush lol. This is what having only one competent colleague does
@@TheBerylfly Anyone that has worked on a company and had one productive, helpful colleague that understood the stakes, to be then replaced by a complete mess would understand EXACTLY what Gortash was feeling at that moment. URGE, YOU ARE BACK, THANK THE FUCKING GODS.
It was genuinely crazy to learn that you were the master ind behind the whole Absolute Plot. That you were such a brilliant and prodigious villain. And that you were only stopped cause of one vindictive, overly ambitious subordinate. What a crazy and unique plot twist but holy crap it’s so good.
It's implied that they were BFFs. If you want them to be lovers, then.. Go ahead. After all, DU wanted to save Gortash for last. As in kill EVERYTHING before even thinking of hurting Gortash.
If you wanted them to be ig. So long as there isn’t anything saying Gortash explicitly *wouldn’t* be interested in whatever your Durge’s gender/race/background is, you can head canon it as them being lovers.
This moment is probably my biggest regret from my Dark Urge playthrough. I went full praise Baahl, so, I definitely resisted arrest in Rivington. Doing this, however, turns the entirety of Wyrm's Rock aggressive, including Gortash, so I never got to talk to him about it. The ceremony completes automatically, and the drawbridge to Wyrm's Rock never lowers, so I had to Feather Fall jump over (and die anyway because the geometry around the bridge is very strange) and fight my way into the Lower City. I found out about the Urge's part in the plot from Helsik at the Devil's Fee.
Odd, I did the same by refusing arrest, even got through a few more guards, went through the prison and bluffed my way out to the coronation without any issues at all. If anything, Gortash invited Durge in right as he passed next to an automaton once in the city, it was pretty unexpected. Maybe it was patched then, seeing as your comment is three months old
This scene seems to vary so much. I'm guessing you have to go directly to the coronation without finding out more to be greeted with the "My favourite assassin, I'm glad you've returned" line?
Could be wrong, but I think it depends whether you’ve rested to have the revelation that you’re bhaal-spawn, or maybe it plays if you haven’t told the the party members.
in fairness i think that some of the "faces" that are made during conversations seem to be...at times random...or at least not quite matching what the conversation is going.
Devils like to backstab eachother, a few might open short cuts though the layers of hell, others might issue orders to "Repel a demon incursion" out of the way of bahalspawn, also a lot of attention was drawn to avernus what with a city full of people being dragged into it so that might distract Mephistopheles
Mephistopheles probebly thought. "There is no way letting chosen of those 3 idiots steal crown isn't going to blow up everybody's faces. Much chaos. Much opportunity." And then he sat back, and grabbed a bag of popcorn.
Gortash: you helped mastermind this plan. My dark urge: I know past me had the failing of being too overconfident but this is just stupid. I don’t see this ending in anyway where each member of the dead 3 didn’t have a plan to backstab the others take over the elderbrain for themselves, and I know somehow in the ensuing chaos the brain will break loose. Before you sell me that we know better this time nonsense keep in mind the dead 3 would have whipped each other out before their divinity began if Jergal wasn’t so adamant on retiring that he actually stepped in and stopped them from killing each other.
To be fair, Bhaal's main desire in life is just a bunch of carnage, so that works out for him no matter how it ends, Bane's always convinced he's going to end up on top no matter what, so that tracks, and Myrkul... Well, he tends to be in things mainly to be petty. As for why the Chosen would go for it... The Dark Urge was basically their father born twice back then, so the inevitable carnage would still be a good selling point, Gortash thinks that everyone tends to be as ruthlessly pragmatic as him, which makes him blind to chaotic evil strains of thought, and Ketheric was just in it for the daughter resurrection equivalent of a paycheck, so he didn't actually need it to work out as long as he got what he wanted.
Bane and Myrkul wouldn't have planned on backstabbing Bhaal, but I'm sure their champions did. If you have to ask why the GODS would have more intergrity, well there is a history with Bhaal being the most dangerous amongst the Gods in a conflict with Bane and Myrkul. "If it bleeds I can kill it" sums up Bhaals nature and he knows how to make most Gods bleed.
Adding to this that there's journals and letters implying that all three of them are supposed to betray the others at some point once the plan has worked and is going strong. I haven't played a proper Durge run in a while so I can't recall the specifics like what those letters were called, but I do know that Durge references it in the "Prayer for Forgiveness" that can be found in Act 2. Compared to his devotion to Isobel, Ketheric's interest in the plan or the other Chosen is pretty minimal, so all Myrkul would need to do is threaten to reclaim her and he'd be down. Durge writes to Bhaal plainly saying that they plan on murdering Gortash and Ketheric on Bhaal's altar when the time is right. Orin's already betrayed the plan once in order to take power, and without getting too spoiler-y it quite literally may have ruined the plan in the same moment. It's ironic given his position as Bane's Chosen, but Gortash seems to be the least inclined to betrayal at least when it comes to Durge. He's legitimately interested in working together now that Durge is back, Detect Thoughts reveals that his offer is genuine, and for the most part he seems content for the end game of that plan being Durge getting free reign to slaughter as they please, while Gortash rules over the rest in the meantime and occasionally sicks his favorite assassin on his enemies like he used to.
For some reason my Dark Urge playthrough the game skipped some of this dialogue, which was very confusing. As if the dialogue started at 3:45. Gortahs spoke to me as if I knew him and my responses were as if I was aware of my past.
Fuck... I forgot to talk to Gortash. I just went straight to destroying his machines xD. I killed Karlach early on anyway and wouldn't have seen her reaction
@@TheRoseWolf Gortash had always intended to be the last one standing among the 3. That means the original Durge was going to be betrayed at some point. Gortash replacing Durge with Orin is all according to keikaku.
@@dee-wreckgortash and durge were friends to some degree, and Orion is to unstable for him to have wanted to work with her, it would have been far easier on him if Orion didn’t attack durge, the elder brain complied because they admired durge, and then after their plan works he betrays durge. In attacking durge Orion ruined everything
@@henryparker8035 actually not long at all.. which is also problematic. You and all your companions in the game go from level 1 to level 12 in a matter of maybe 2-3 months. Then we have jaheira, with no memory loss, dramatically regressing levels since bg2.
I mean, minsc didn’t have his skull split by an angry sister, and he also didn’t get experimented on by the lady in act 2 that saved durge’s life, durge however had both of these things happen to them. You can only have your brain scrambled and insides ripped out so many times before you lose a bit of xp
Wait... huh? Okay, he wanted to save his land/city wtevs right? Specifically said "not burn it to the ground" So you turned... To Bhaalspawn for help????? Y'know, folks with extreme murderous urges that'd sooner see the world burn just for the heck of it rather than help your sorry behind? Where's the logic?!?!?! Wtheckkkk is he thinking???
He either planned to eventually betray Ketheric and Durge or he was truly charmed by Durge. Despite being a degenerate assassin, Durge must have been quite a disarming individual, filling his followers with putrid devotion.
Likely there would be a system in play that benefit all of them, again the plan was get complete over everyone that be willing to do anything, likely make people do sacrifices which would please other two gods/chosen with murder and death It bane job to make other to yield as he know they need order and power for them to grow in power as ending it all would give big boost to strength but then leave them with nothing
That's easy to melt the annoying shit in his fight is the area he is in is the worst, bomb throws every round and stunning bombs one bomb could down most of you it is the worst
@@7Kibzto be honest I've always thought of it to be relatively easy in comparison to ketheric thorm... somehow hes the worst, even worse without nightsong (or maybe it's just skill issue speaking)
