"Give me the name and address of the people concerned....they won't bother you anymore." I found that really rather touching. Whimsey paying off a friend's debt without any fuss or expectation of payback. A true friend helping out in time of desperate need.
Very possibly. Carmichael's father had served in the Great War (Medical Officer), and he himself was a veteran of Normandy and the advance to the Rhine. Both would have seen shell-shock at first hand.
With no disrespect meant to any other actor who's donned Lord Peter's finery, Ian Carmichael *is* Lord Peter Wimsey in my mind thanks to PBS (specifically KQED 9 San Francisco) and my parents.
I spotted your comment and smiled when reading it. Ian Carmichael was an accomplished pianist and truly wizard on the saxophone. Yes, of course he 'mimes' in the Lord Peter series but he was a wonderful musician.
is really astonishing when film and TV companies have spent so much on getting everything right, but still take no notice of what the people playing musicians are doing. Oddly enough, the exploitation film maker Jess Franco quite often gets this right, which is amazing, considering the budgets he was working with. There's an amazing scene in one of his films, in which he is playing alongside Manfred Mann; and they really are playing as well..
@@oliverclothesoff5397 Just so sad that Mr Carmichael has gone from our world. I wished that he'd done more of the books though i believe that he'd narrated all of them for radio. His dear 'wife' is still with us but his devoted 'butler' has passed away. We are all here such a short time......
I think both Carmichael and Petherbridge do a fine job. They are different, that's all. Seems like fictional characters can have several interpretations and stay true to the story.
God, it's terrible, all those lads who went off to fight in the Great War and came back total mental and physical wrecks like poor George (and Lord Peter too for that matter). And the worst part is that the bloody government did NOTHING for them afterwards. They should have been fêted as heroes and granted a HUGE pension.
Muck006 How CAN you place "gay, trans, female or non-White" all in a row, in that particular order?! Females make up more than half the world's entire population, the others are real minorities. Furthermore, I think you do feminists a disservice. They aren't all nuts.
"Todays feminists and SJWs (and the Antifa communists) are intent on throwing away respect for any achievements" --- You've just made that up. Bare-faced invention.
They were just cannon fodder. One German officer was shocked when he saw the men and their horses being sent directly into the German machine gun fire.
That's not the terrible part. When they were sent during WW1, nobody really knew what they were sending them into, because it was a completely new scenario; and nobody really knew anything about 'shell shock' or ptsd as it is now, even though there are mentions of it as far back as Ancient Greece. The terrible part is that the same thing happens now, and they get treated the same way, by so, so many when they return. But we do know.
@@debbielough7754 It's terrible. In the past, it was a way a government got rid of the poor(er) in society. In England, sometimes the returning soldiers would be housed on river barges and once in awhile, one would catch fire. The conditions in the trenches was horrific. There was no social media back then and family members wouldn't know what their sons would be suffering.
Edward Petherbridge, hope the spelling is correct, was Sir Peter in the first videos I watched and found him so centered and carried an air of quiet strength and very intellectual. This Sir Peter plays the role quite different and more robust middle class as the Brits would say, Thank you for posting this, Lord Peter Wimsey is great treat
Both are interesting and entertaning in their own way. I loved the episodes with Harriet Vane in them - very romantic to se our hero wooing her -, but these others are also funny and smart.
Please. Lord Peter. Sir Peter would be something quite different. Petherbridge is closer in appearance, and the right age, but as long as I close my eyes, Carmichael is wimsier.
The character changed over the course of the series. When we meet him, he's somewhat flighty and irresponsible, still troubled and recovering by episodes of PTSD. His interest in solving murders comes about because he's very wealthy and bored. He's the second son, doesn't expect to inherit the his father's title because his brother has a nephew and can afford to indulge his whims. But, by the time we see him and Harriet married in Busman's Honeymoon, he's much more grounded. Now when he's brought into a case he is driven to discover who the murderer is and see justice done even though it grieved him to know the murderer faced hanging. The character aged and, during his relationship with Harriet Vane, 'grew up'. Which makes him all the more interesting. Edward Petherbridge carries the transition of the last three TV films off very well. And though we only have the audible book for Busman's Honeymoon your imagination can fill in how would appear if only they had presented it on film. Wonderful character and great cast. I loved Ian Carmichael and Edward Petherbridge in the role.
@@nancycrayton2738 The character does deepen over the course of several books, at first Sayers was just creating a mystery story. Over time, she gave Peter more depth, suggested that under his frivolous manner he was badly shaken by his war experiences and that he detected out of a desire to help people rather than out of boredom
@shirley: It's Lord Peter, not Sir Peter. Peter's the younger son of a duke and therefore not a peer. Nor is he a baronet (hereditary title) or a knight (a man knighted by the British monarch).
I just like the quaint and subtle nuances of a gentleman showing feeling along with a brut of a gal (it's the way I view my grandparents) when it comes to being sleuths and bloodhounds-- salt & pepper. Thank you so very much for posting this in a series linked together, as well. (Sub)
How nice to see John Quentin in this.....quite ironic as he was effectively Bertie Wooster in the commercials for Croft Original sherry.....of course Ian Carmichael officially played Bertie Wooster for real in programmes!
Spoken by a person who will, like all of us, be geezers ourselves someday. And might want a little more respect. Noticing that the grandsons are only interested in how much money they might get. Not endearing.
@lou That's the thing about being young. It might as well be a different nationality or species. The young always look at the old as if they have some particularly disgraceful disease, that they themselves are immune to. It isn't until you start to become old for instance that you start regretting how condescending you were to your parents, or your own children start to treat you the same way. Don't worry. Payback, alas, is coming for the young, lol. They just don't realize it yet. Those making fun of geezers today, are the geezers of tomorrow, and karma is not kind.
12:08 *Sanlucar de Barrameda* -- I first saw this nearly fifty years ago. A few years later, I had a very memorable dinner sitting in a seaside restaurant in Sanlucar, looking out over the Atlantic from the port Magellen set out from on his last voyage.
I love the way the "poor" husband and wife describe themselves as desperate. Yet they're both earning money, and earning more than the millions of working class people, who were also gassed, shot, & traumatized in WW1. They're SO strapped for cash that they have a BAD servant. Oh dear. Because filling the coal bucket themselves is too impossible. It reminds me of another of Lincoln's quips. He met some puffed up military bod, Lincoln commented that he (Lincoln) needed to blacken his boots as they were scuffed. The puffy guy said, "I never blacken my own boots." in a snotty tone. Lincoln replied, "Whose boots do you blacken?"
George does not want to do housework because he's not brought up to it and he is mentally shaken up by the war. Sheila has a full time job and has heart troulble, so relying on not very good servants, who might walk out any minute, is all she can do.
@@glen7318 No, he's a twat. He's an entitled self absorbed horrible person as everything else he does demonstrates. He doesn't care about Sheila at all, just about his won self importance. The good old English class system at work. And it's still there. Everybody despising everyone else, except for, bizarrely, the "lowest" order, who think people like Prince Andrew are great. Who also throw tantrums all the time and refuses to even close his own curtain.
My very much missed mum saw him where she worked at the original Waterers nursery and garden centre in the early 70s. Apparently he was a very much reserved in his public demeanour but still polite and gentlemanly. Very much old-school.
It was not mentioned in this excellent television program, but in the novel, Ann Dorland eventually decides to share the money with George and Robert Fentiman. And Ann and Robert Fentiman become romantically involved with one another. As unlikely as that seems.
Anna Cropper, who plays the artistic niece, also played the widow of a condemned man in Inspector Wexford 'A new lease of death'. Anna has exactly the same hairdo and face in both roles!
When O was a little girl, my grandpapa belonged to the Cosmos Club. In those days, women were not allowed to walk into the front door, being required to enter via the Ladies' Entrance, and women were not allowed upstairs to see the library, unless there was a ball being given in the ballroom on the second floor. I went back to visit the Cosmos Club once as an adult, having joined a ladies' public speaking club that occasionally has a luncheon meeting and lecture at the Cosmos Club. Nowadays, they have gotten rid of that front door nonsense, and if you stop in to peek into the library, that really is paneled like the library in a Harvard House, you are likely to see a nine year old child sitting at one of the fancy desks, not dressed to the teeth in puffed sleeves and a girlish dress and matching ribbons on her pigtails, as my mother dressed me whenever I would meet my Grandfather there, but merely wearing jeans and a T-shirt, doing her homework as she waits for a family member in this modern generation.
😎😳Great story, let's hear it for humane behaviour for all humanity in big ways and small, every day in all way untill it comes some what naturally and then naturally...😊😎
@@polemeros My grandfather didn't think so. He was one of the members who worked for change, tapping an African American candidate for membership who was so well qualified that he couldn't possibly be turned down (in the wake of his friend Carl Rowan not getting in, due to racism) and I believe he may have been behind the change that got rid of the no-women-through-the-front-door nonsense...that change took place between the summer when I turned ten years old and the Christmas a year and a half later. Can you imagine having to tell your beloved brilliant ten year old granddaughter, the apple of your eye, who reads six years above grade level and who looks exactly like her grandmother, the love of your life...that she is NOT Good Enough to come in through the front door? Of course he changed that rule, just as he made the racial bar fall at the Cosmos Club, out of anger that they had snubbed his friend, Carl Rowan! When my grandfather wanted to change things, he didn't yammer on about it...he simply made it happen. He and Joe Kennedy, Sr., got FDR on the ballot in '32, working together, though of course there were many others who also made important contributions to the 1932 campaign. But when my grandfather wanted something to happen...it often did happen. He was good at that. I wish he'd lived long enough for me to have learned skills from him. I remember him and I miss him, but he passed away while I was still too young to have learned from him.
@@nicholasalexander4743 Constitutional democracies are only a little bit different from constitutional monarchies, especially compared to the default forms of government, namely totalitarian autocracies and failed warlord states....
@@polemeros Yes, Sayers' creation had a sad side but alos a happy frivolling side. Harriet Walter is always glum and the whole tenor of the show has changed
@@glen7318 You missed the point of the remark then ... because it is included to show how desperate and BROKE the person is ... explaining why he is a potential suspect.
Oh my. How sleuths and guests in British mysteries love their sherry. And seemingly lots of it. But in American detective circles, re Bosch, it's "Do you want a beer?" Although I do recall Morse too would tip a pint. Or five.
And that, of course, is why almost all wills nowadays include a 30-day survival clause, to make sure that this kind of problem doesn't occur (although sometimes there are difficulties even with this clause).
@big bear fuzzums: Are u REALLY as stupid and idiotic as ur comment makes u out to be? Or do u have Alzheimer’s or suffer from major memory loss? U conveniently seem to forget that nixon pledged to end the war-just didn’t say how long it wd. take. Do u remember a guy named Reagan, an actor turned President? I believe his successor was a Bush....but the smart one. And we had eight years of his, the not very bright one. Yes, there were Democratic Presidents-Carter, Clinton and Obama whom u likely despise more than any President bcoz, like the current occupant of our beautiful White House, ur probably a closet or not so closeted racist. Don’t dare to blame our vets treatment only on the Democrats u hate-mongering bigot.
The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club (1972) - 8.2 When one of the members of the Bellona Club passes away, Lord Wimsey is brought in to determine the time of death for testamentary purposes.
@ciroalb3: I too was sure I saw Frank Middlemass as the old boy in the club with the handlebar moustache. Don't know what his name is. However I'll have a good look at the credits.
And the Latin schoolmaster in...something--he falls over in a heart attack mid-translation... Also, the fellow playing George played Charlie in "Bergerac" a few decades later. Took me awhile--I did a double-take, watched him for a bit, but didn't recall until I'd walked away. So good one can't recall who else they played while they're playing the one they're playing before you.
The curses are there and the innuendo. What are you going on about? It’s murder most foul, silly rabbit. The Queens English, bow ties and dry martinis don’t make it any less heinous.
One writer's error. If a person dies his bowels and bladder empty. This would have been noticed in the club. But then again, there wouldn't be a story, would there?
It is possible that the victim had voided just prior to his death, though that would have been an extraordinarily lucky coincidence for the party who would benefit by it (sorry to be vague, but trying not to spoil).
Lern englisch ... deutsche Übersetzungen haben Fehler ... und zwar nicht zu knapp. Manchmal wird der Sinn sogar um 180° gedreht ... und die ungebildeten Übersetzer wissen z.B. nicht dass "taking orders" (aus: Pride & Prejudice) "zum Priester ordiniert werden" heisst ... und nichts mit "Befehle entgegen nehmen" zu tun hat.
@@glen7318 And Glyn Houston was no mean actor -- he had other commitments. This one does all right, even though I agree that I would have preferred GH.
@@auntfanny3266 This was filmed back in the days when they were still using really big lights which made the sets rather warm. Having a REAL dead body - which also conforms to the specification of gender, looks and weight - under these circumstances would be "unsanitary". Full size puppets arent that easy/cheap to make either.
Ian Carmichael is not the ideal cast for this role. He's too old. At the time of the affair at the Bellona Club, Lord Peter was in his early 30s, but Carmichael already looked like he was 60.
