I had a roommate that came back from a course and his feet looked like he went through a wood chipper. He made it through with his feet all ate up because he didn’t want to go through it again. That’s some next level toughness
@thegulagarchipelago5921 Not Happy, You mean destroyed, full of inflammation, and thinking that you'd be better off dead. F-ing sad what / how Ego's can destroy your life because their skin ain't doing it. You're just an experimental test subject. They figure out their better off going to electronic warfare and the use of robots. Ego driven trainers not needed or as accurate. *"All Warfares is Deception", Sun Tsu "The Art of War".* Deception like in The Great Reset Scam Plan to destroy Constitutional America with Biden's Executive Order # 14067 (Is he really crazy or is it really deceptive gameplay on your family) of the total destruction of The American Economy, destroyed into The New Distobian Communist Surveillance State in America. *"All Warfare is Deception by The Satanic Global Bankster Gangs, Destroying All Sovereign Nations. Sun Tsu, "The Art of War".*
With the current class in selection, the extra week has been dropped. My soldier went in class 07-22 in June and had that long, do nothing, boring week.
Huge difference from when it was Phase I, II, and phase III. It was constant weeding, and you were never fully safe until you graduated. I was a Phase I instructor when we created and implemented SFAS to reduce attrition in the Q Course in the late 80's. The days of losing 50% of a class on land nav were coming to an end...early 80's Q Course...after "swimming" the sawdust pit for about an hour at 0300hrs because someone didn't take their weapon with them to pee....the instructor's, actually the company commander would announce, "We're going to do PT until 5, I said 5...no, make it 6, until 6 people terminate...let us begin" and after just a couple hours, six people would have terminated. Every single class lost half a dozen people on the Phase III infil just to broken legs.....
Sure sounded like beatdown round #2 back then. But in all fairness.. to be at that level.. one needs to know. Know if the guy next to you is serious or not. You guys are beyond human. Thank you for your service. Stay safe and be well.
Sometimes I wonder if the standards are dropped a bit... I'm ex SF and it was effectively a test All the time. Maybe it was a bit too much in the old days... Just makes me wonder.
@@thegulagarchipelago5921 no. Standards have not changed or gotten easier. While it has been reorganized and some changes made, the standards did not change. I have a son in the Q and they have gone back to doing SUT/TAC skills first then MOS/Sere, RS
This is good advice for 18X, but RS for Officers may be a good idea. Officers have some time to burn and the short tab is a rite of passage. Especially for 11 series
As alwsys, testing to get the next to impossible thru, then you slowly filter thru the most tenacious at details. Whoever don't die / fail become the next to their winning standard. The Russians did this with nutrition experiments / test subjects in the 50's / 60's Olympics. The test subjects that their health / bodies got destroyed (Similar to professional athlete tryouts) you never heard about. Yes, it's good to get the best out of trainees, as always the nefarious would want to program an expendable programmed service life / programmed obsolescence (Experimental Vaccines Anyone?) never to be heard from again, but their long term health never comes into question. It's For The Good of, Who's Ego. *"All Warfare is Deception", Sun Tsu, "The Art of War"*
With most services facing position issues (which they will Never admit to) this is a good thing. Molding them and training them to be better commandos instead of focusing on trimming the fat of the pipeline. Most old heads will always say back in my day it was way harder but, it’s the evolution of the process.
There are two different theories. A lot of guys that went beyond A teams and into cif or the smu’s, argue that the absolute beat down didn’t really produce better warfighters…it just fucked dudes up. Certainly you’re left with tough, but there may be better ways to find tough than destroying people. Look at the Navy and the general health of guys that went through hell week twice. It’s not that it’s inherently wrong, but it certainly CAN be wrong. And beyond training pipelines, airborne ops fuck a lot of dudes up to practice something that is nearly irrelevant in the modern battle space.
@@thopkins2271 I think its supply and demand. Army mentality is to get the quickest assessment done when there is way too many applying. The entire military as a whole are not dream weavers. Each branch has flaws. Historically, Army actually accepts percentage of death outcomes and did not care about what it takes to prevent death. Cold hard truth of their past actions. Air Force walked their own path because of the Army desire to throw away airmen, when it was the army air corps. When there is less applying for a position. They switch perspectives. Quality of training has a quicker outcome. When the supply is low. The Dream weaver perspective could be better utilized for Army. If both were applied. You would get exactly what you need. When you need it. Slower training creates a backup supply. When Army leadership is bad. You can tell. It is a one way road and lottery ticket to destination outcomes. I did not serve in the military. Every generation of my family has though. Inlcuding my cousins. My father retired colonel. My perspective as a dependent didnt give me any desires to join. My perspective is simple and not even a good one. I made decisions based on what I saw. Physically grinded down people, not getting what they wanted. If they did get what they wanted. Their mentality was grinded down. Until they retired worn out from training and combat. Even if they survived not being wounded at all. I spent some time hanging out with wounded warriors. Simply because my mother is handicap from having bone cancer. She survived cancer. But it took her femur bone. She has had three replacements. Since the early 90s. Wounded Warriors have great personalities. It always sucked to see good people deal with bullshit. Warfare is a casino game of skill and luck. Look at the stats. Its never good to sign your life to the house and gamble with your life. To those who made their way through the house of warfare. Thanks. None of you get enough recogntion. I say screw the medals and give them more money. But the government is too busy making wars and not looking what they did to peoole in war. Ignorance is bliss for the wealthy.
