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Losing Religion to the Amazonian Piraha Tribe - Daniel Everett

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Linguistics professor Daniel Everett explains the idea of "xibipiio," a way of life he encountered while studying the language of the Amazonian Piraha tribe. Everett, a former Christian missionary, was challenged to rethink his faith after learning the Piraha's concept of experiential liminality.
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Professor Daniel Everett, author of Don't Sleep, There Are Snakes, discusses the importance of preserving dying languages. He describes his experience living with the Piraha people in Brazil, and explores what Piraha, both the people and the language, can teach us about human nature. - The Long Now Foundation
Daniel Leonard Everett (born 1951 in Holtville, California) is a linguistics professor best known for his study of the Amazon Basin's Piraha people and their language. He currently serves as Chair of the Department of Languages, Literatures and Cultures at Illinois State University in Normal, Illinois. He previously taught at the University of Manchester and is former Chair of the Linguistics Department of the University of Pittsburgh.

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@naturefreak799 11 лет назад

"Don't Sleep, There are Snakes" is an incredible book, though the lingustics part will probably intimidate many in the general public. Everett is almost fearless (I have way to much anxiety to live like he did in the Amazon). The only thing he really seemed to fear (at least to me) was coming out to his family regarding his loss of religion. That says a lot about our culture.

@PaulTheSkeptic 4 года назад

I empathize with how he feels. And yes it does.

@MrBattlestar10 4 года назад

@@PaulTheSkeptic how so?

@PaulTheSkeptic 4 года назад

@@MrBattlestar10 How so what? I was just agreeing with the OP.

@BillyBike416 3 года назад

Or this may mean Dan wasn't versed in Christian philosophy or apologetics. Faith without reason is ungrounded.

@mostlyaditya 3 года назад

@@BillyBike416 he has studied divinity and missionary work at the moody bible college, and graduated top of his class

@BulletMagnetOWI 15 лет назад

He did. He provided them with a wind-up tape player which was essentially an audio-book in their language. The entire village congregated around it night after night with the children winding it up. They spent most of the time listening to the part where John the Baptist gets beheaded, over and over again, laughing at the absurdity of the action of decapitation. Why would anyone cut somebody's head off? They found the book to be very entertaining, but the entire message utterly absurd.

@Niemenzki 15 лет назад

A missionary who was converted by natives. Interesting.

@hirofan 15 лет назад

Great point, Redfingers. Had this tribe been encountered a few hundred years ago they would have been coerced, tortured, and killed.. the way Christianity started in many lands.

@soundsandmusic.3689 3 года назад

Sorry about that.

@machadoese 3 года назад

Facts!

@flyingfree333 3 года назад

This tribe was discovered a couple hundred years ago.

@anamaakotube 2 года назад

@@flyingfree333 For 200 years they've called BS when they were shown it lol. Good on them. I hope they never change.

@rmcdaniel423 14 лет назад

"They wanted evidence . . . . . . . . and I couldn't give it to them." Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm!

@Alem_Mehari 3 года назад

😆

@tomkeegan3782 3 года назад

I've never been to the North Pole, maybe it's not there!

@rmcdaniel423 3 года назад

@@tomkeegan3782 other people HAVE been there. It doesn't have to be from your own personal experience to count as evidence. That's the beauty of it.

@tomkeegan3782 3 года назад

@@rmcdaniel423 I think the Piraha would require me to have met someone who was there to accept that 'truth' There's no alive today who saw the explosion in Tunguska in 1908, or the Titanic sinking in 1912. I have not seen, yet I believe these things did happen!😉

@natanaelmanzanillo3308 2 года назад

@@tomkeegan3782 that's not aplicable to religion, if I tell u mahoma went to heaven in a horse,maybe you'll say it's a fantasy. But if I say jesus did, probable you'll buy it. But unlike the events you mentioned, that can be tracked, and even prooved by physical evidence, you can not say the same about religion, you can go to the deep ocean and find rest of the titanic, where can u find today or yesterday a man with super powers like jesus?🤔 How realistic can be that?

@draztik 11 лет назад

The whole book he wrote is really fascinating, from a cultural/religious and linguistic standpoint

@fernandolk4536 2 года назад

That's me in the jungle That's me in the the night Losing my religion... Oh life is bigger It's bigger than you And you are not me The lengths that I will go to The distance in your eyes Oh no I've said too much I set it up...

@dorbie 15 лет назад

Wow, a language with built in attribution for information.

@NaNa-kj2gw 3 года назад

I love that he and his wife studied this tribe and their rare language, but abhor that they were there to try to convert them to Christianity. I'm glad he finally accepted truth over dogma, but it cost him his wife and 2 of his indoctrinated children. That is the problem with religion.

@pricklypear7516 7 лет назад

How terribly amusing! The Piraha use, in their everyday discourse, the same criteria we "civilized" folks use only in our courts of law: If you didn't actually see it or get it from an eye witness, it's inadmissible. Reflect upon Jesse Bering's information in his book, The Belief Gene, and you see that the Piraha might be the psychologically healthiest culture alive!

@jovanpando5407 4 года назад

Without a concept of history or abstract thought, I highly doubt that.

@unusuario5173 4 года назад

@@jovanpando5407 well, it seems to me that not having history or abstract thought isn't a factor for their happiness.

@DubzCo 3 года назад

@@jovanpando5407 what has history got to do with that lol

@shsdhdjshs396 2 года назад

@@unusuario5173 okay but there a basic tribe in. The Amazon and we have spaceships with technology and we can reflect on our history and ideas for inventions only conceived not proven

@SirSvotter 2 года назад

@@shsdhdjshs396 I don't see how that's related to being psychologically healthy. No one said anything about technological advancements

@UppruniTegundanna 14 лет назад

This is a reply to a question you posed over half a year ago, but I think I have an answer for you. The Piraha's language requires, as part of its grammar, that the speaker use a specific set of endings when relating a story to indicate whether they a. Saw what happened firsthand, b. Surmised what happened from evidence, or c. what told by someone else who did either a or b. As you can see, it is impossible to proselytise grammatically in Piraha!

@ixat00 13 лет назад

The jungle tribe pwned him logically. This is just many colors of awesome.

@Setzer 13 лет назад

I think I quite like this language/culture. I wish our culture valued evidence as much.

@Talonades 15 лет назад

The story about jesus says it all, maybe their world view eliminates all the bullshit and manipulation that western society is plagued by. We increasingly value empirical evidence (the basis of science) above other information, they have entirely based communication on those principles - beautiful.

@Nate-dv5dp 4 года назад

There are many ways you can find your way out of religion, if only you seek the truth and are willing to follow the evidence where it leads

@MelchBurg 14 лет назад

Pretty cool. Good to know we still have many interesting native languages alive here in Brazil.

@shannonparkhill5557 Год назад

Impressed. You realised that you didn't have evidence and so you changed your beliefs. That's commendable. Many fail to do this, as simple as it might seem to be to do.

@KOOLBOYSC1 3 года назад

Piraha Guy: So Daniel this ah Jesus fellow...um what did he look like ? Danie: Oh I never saw him Piraha Guy: Oh so your dad must of met him ? Daniel: No he haven't Piraha Guy: Friends ?! Daniel: Nope Piraha Guy: So why you're telling us about him ??? Daniel :👁️👄👁️

@yunedginiebra3883 2 года назад

Em, lets follow your logic, you haven't seen Albert Eisten or George Washingtong, but that dosnt mean they dont exist🤣

@KOOLBOYSC1 2 года назад

@@yunedginiebra3883 they're not questioning on whether he exists but how easily they can get in contact with in a way makes sense to their own understanding 🙄

@juliamorganscott9384 2 года назад

The book, “Don’t Sleep, There are Snakes” is readable, in fact I can’t put it down, but Everett is spiritually dense. God seemed everywhere in his time with the Piraha but he can’t see that. His wife, almost dead from malaria, begs him in her delirium to check the baby, who she thinks is on the dirt floor with roaches. Everett repeatedly says No, the baby is ok, until finally he goes to check on the baby, who is on the floor with roaches. He calls that “mother’s intuition,” as if simple intuition could invent a picture that precise. The Piraha merely expose his lack of faith, they didn’t cause it. He couldn’t tell them about Jesus because he never knew Jesus.

@avradio0b 10 месяцев назад

Eh, just because you can't explain something doesn't mean you can explain it.

@juliamorganscott9384 10 месяцев назад

I don't disagree with your comment, but I'm unsure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with mine. I sure can't explain everything, but neither can Everett, although he tried to explain everything away. Sometimes giving the benefit of the doubt to the spiritual aspect of life is the best way. Everett seems hard-headed - not a bad person, just hard-headed.@@avradio0b

@TwistedLemniscate 12 лет назад

What's your source? This is what I've heard: "Moreover, the Piraha tell no creation myths and don't make up stories or draw pictures. They believe in spirits that they directly encounter at times, "but there's no great god who created all the spirits, in the Piraha view" Everett says."

@TheHigherVoltage 13 лет назад

@Thisishappening "It's better to know what you don't know. Better not to assume you have everything figured out." awesome man.

@blackiebori 12 лет назад

I agree. It will do people in more complex societies more harm than good to forget what our predecessors worked very hard to achieve. We can learn a thing or two from the Pirahã (or Hiaitíihí, meaning 'the straight ones') though, especially the concept of "xibipíío" (experiencing the here and now). I'm sure this is a bit of a simplification, but it seems to indicate proximity. In simple cultures and societies such as the Pirahã, such empirical methods, I can imagine, are needed.... Á á Í í Ó ó

@ActionableFreedom 6 лет назад

Wow! I would probably fit in with this tribe. I think so much in terms of current experiences.

@amandarios448 3 года назад

Haha interesting. You must feel lonely in the west. The Pitaha are very isolated but when corona is gone you cam take a trip to visit other Amazonian tribes, they might have different language and know the concepts for past and future but i can guarantee that they have a very similar culture of living in the moment the piraha are just the extreme. Also in upper Orinoco river theres a tribe you can't visit but they only have 1,2,3 & many.... so similar cultures over there. So just pick a tribe you can visit and have some fun hunting or fishing or picking fruits just to eat and share for the day and live in the present

@mos619 15 лет назад

I think it goes beyond that.....like all stories are the same. Like every movie I watch its more or less predictable, there's the beginning where you get to know the characters, the call to adventure, the wise mans aid, the preliminary battle, the dilemma, the final battle/climax, and the resolution. Different names and situations but the formulas always the same. I think it all speaks to the human mind and the unconscious, archetypes and such.

@bajorjor1 15 лет назад

actually he did translate them, i saw it in another video and he was logically outgunned by these tribesmen. Then realized that his book could not give the answers

@JacekNasiadek 15 лет назад

2^16 is actually 65536

@MELVINBIGSMOKE 3 года назад

yeah... and it is more than 40.. isn't it?

@lynchmobb2000 15 лет назад

This xibipiio sounds a little like quantum theory, which describes subatomic particles blinking into and out of existence in accordance with HUP.

@JaeSaw 2 года назад

“They wanted evidence and I realized I couldn’t provide it as well as they had wanted.” I mean yeah bro. If you want to destroy someone’s world and life view you need to provide a evidence to support your claims while also showing why they are wrong. After evaluating the whole pie from both sides you go from there. Like a courtroom. People laughed at that? 🤨🤨

@indiapiner825 9 лет назад

There's a pro and a con to this kind of thinking. I don't know anyone who witnessed the slavery of Africans in America or the Holocaust or the "Forgotten Holocaust" (Involving Korea) , but I'm sure it happened. I also never saw or met any ancient people from the Mayan and Aztec civilizations, but I know that they existed. Sometimes documents and the passing down of stories from generation to generation is enough. (Or maybe it isn't. Who knows)

@indiapiner825 9 лет назад

I should also mention that the existence of Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle isn't necessarily provable, but it most certainly is accepted that they were alive at one point and they are mentioned in history text books. Not questioning the distant past and distant future is definitely liberating in a way, but it can be hindering as well.

@Ellimist000 8 лет назад

+Omar Morales Luna I see your point, though as the OP may have alluded, had this guy been like some missionaries from the past, the past might have affected the Piraha's future in a big way...idk, I'm glad they have been able to live like this and be happy, but I think there is a reason why most cultures (including most hunter/gather/native ones) believe in things they can not immediately see...but different strokes I guess?

@brielleshepard 6 лет назад

*raises hand sheepishly* umm... I knew someone who's parents were alive during slavery, and who themselves were alive during Jim Crow era . It was my grandmother. She and counless other people and "artifacts" (can't think of the right word here) from those times and the times of the other historical events you mentioned are the proof of existence/ historical fact. I think the point here was that when asked by the piraha ppl to provide some proof, he couldn't point to a person or artifact that backed up what he was saying to them.

@JML689 5 лет назад

The irony is this kind of thinking is what PREVENTS slavery or holocaust type of events.

@arpussupra 5 лет назад

They have some passing down of knowledge through generations as well. Everett writes about that in his book. I like your argument because it made me think: Imagine people of different ethnicities knew nothing of history, wouldn't our society be in a better state than it is now? Imagine how civilized and peaceful this could be if it weren't for the huge mental burden of history.

@unLargoEtcetera 15 лет назад

Every language can express everything. The differences between languages is what is mandatory to express.

@evelynuyemura6124 9 месяцев назад

Not really, although I also learned that in linguistics class. The Piraha language has no numbers beyond maybe 1, 2, a lot. They cannot express calculus or astronomy or even history in their language without importing some new words.

@nathanielengle6909 Месяц назад

When I was 12, I went with my grandparents to visit this tribe with this guy and his wife.

@Jefferdaughter 11 лет назад

Some people do learn from this tribe, and other similar tribes. Daniel Everett, for one. Many who have read his book or heard him speak. After all, as the 'Deep Forest' album lyrics say: "Deep in the forest live some little men and women. They are our past, and maybe, our future." Check it out on RU-vid.

@rosmarinusofficialis 12 лет назад

Being interested in linguistics I found his book fascinating, and as an atheist I cheered when he became one, too.

@dandanbr88 14 лет назад

That's wrong my friend... I am 21 years old. 4 years ago, I use to think the same way you did, until I had a encounter with God. A personal encounter, and that completely changed the way I used to think or see everything, because I had just seen the Lord. He is real, and I have experienced His presence in my life, and do every day, and it's wonderful. No one ever forced anything to me, I just cant deny what Ive seen, and What Ive heard, and what burns inside of me, which is the presence of God.

@dennisduncan7561 Год назад

The Piraha aren't as easily swayed.

@willywhitten4918 9 лет назад

"That scratches and it scratches well, but that isn't where the itch is." Amazonian shaman to a Christian missionary. \\][//

@dlon8899 4 года назад

2020..I've seen your comment

@blackiebori 12 лет назад

...in that strict observance of certain activities needs to be taken if they are to survive. Since the Pirahã seem to be very conscious about their surroundings (take Everett's [2008] book title, 'Don't Sleep, There are Snakes'), xibipíío remains a very important element to their life. Everett (2008:9) recounts that "Gahióo xibipíío xisitoáopí!" ("The plane xibipíío left vertically!") was screamed by the Pirahã after he arrived to their village. So, this was to be remembered for some reason....

@zxcv1234vcxz 15 лет назад

Yeah, but the idea of suffixes to tell how information was acquired is an inspired idea. It's unique among the languages I've read about.

@DickDickstein 13 лет назад

@Reip187 and I highly encourage you to watch it BTW. I watched it all and found it very interesting. It's quite long. Hour at least. This little clip is about all of THIS sort of thing that is in there. The actual video is about lost language and the knowledge that could be lost. IT's really easy to follow and has very interesting info on linguistics and practices. Most of it is about this tribe and their language, which is fascinating.

@michaelflores9220 4 года назад

What video are you talking about?

@DickDickstein 4 года назад

@@michaelflores9220 Haha...wow I have no idea now. That was so long ago. What's even more strange is that this reply was a reply to myself (Reip187 was my old account name) to expand on the comment I must have made before. If you can find that comment (Either REip187, or this name now I would guess), you will probably find what I was talking about.

@doaa7941 2 года назад

Damn, the youtube comment system's changed a lot

@Bobbiethejean 15 лет назад

This is fascinating! I'm going to go watch the full lecture right this instant! : D And to think that when I read the title, I thought this wouldn't be of any interest to me.

@RodCornholio 14 лет назад

@WolYou My pet theory is that hope/faith/religion were necessary for our early ancestors to survive and this hardwired predilection became genetically ingrained through natural selection. Hopeless humans simply don't do well in extreme survival situations. The Piraha are fascinating because their language seems to have such a profound affect on their reality, that it overrides any natural tendency toward religion disposition.

@blicksflicks 11 лет назад

Waldeinburg, I've been through a lot with Jesus, the Bible and all that stuff. I've read that whole Bible. I grew up in South Georgia, and was trained and taught that Jesus was the only way to Father. I was taught Jesus was God in the flesh, and that he died for every single person on the entire planet. However, I never really questioned things until later. When I did, I opened up a can of worms. I found out many things I was taught were lies. It was sad. That's why I'm a Deist now.

@Galactu5 15 лет назад

Fascinating on many levels, not the least of which is the irony of the converter losing conviction.

@Ramshobraja 14 лет назад

I would like to read his book now. Interesting hw religion evolved into our culture.

@PaulTheSkeptic 7 лет назад

What a wonderful little quirk of humanity. This is like mind candy for an atheist. The only thing I'm thinking though, these people obviously don't have a written language. Writing is always in the past. Those who write are writing to people in the future from the past. That's why the very first writers were very uncomfortable even though they were skilled orators. I wonder how writing would affect their sense of immediacy. Do they have any stories? He said they don't have a creation myth. I wonder if they tell any stories. Could they say "I heard this and I heard that." every time they say a sentence? I just wonder how it would work. What about art? Do they make pictures of things in the past or things that don't exist and never have existed?

@firecat6666 5 лет назад

I imagine once they start thinking of writing as equivalent to listening to someone speak, except said person isn't there, y'know, in person, they'd be perfectly confortable with it. Kind of like how we watch videos on youtube and don't think much of it, whereas primitive peoples who were first introduced to photography and such thought the camera was some kind of soul-stealing device because they didn't have the concept that you could see a person that wasn't actually there in person. Same with art, I guess, especially stuff like renaissance art. But not post-modern abstract meaningless crap.

@lucasgranville9286 4 года назад

there is a story "the jaguar that killed the dog" that they tell in their tribes but once the guy that saw it will be gone, they won't tell it anymore. Or at least, that's what I have understood from what I have read. Their story isn't tell anymore once the people who have saw/heard/logicallydeducted it personnaly are gone.

@PaulTheSkeptic 4 года назад

@@lucasgranville9286 Oh wow. That's a whole other level of immediacy. So by that I logically deduce they don't have an oral tradition? Thanks for reminding me about this. I'll have to read the book.

@lucasgranville9286 4 года назад

@@PaulTheSkeptic I think they have tradition. I don't know if it's about stories or not. They can transmit knowledge and tradition by oral. One thing that I know is that tradition can exist without stories.

@PaulTheSkeptic 4 года назад

@@lucasgranville9286 Oh. I hadn't thought of that. When I think "oral tradition" I think stories.

@blackiebori 12 лет назад

I already gave my source in my last comment. And notice I didn't say "creation" myth, but "creation-LIKE" myth, because it isn't actually a creation story in the sense of "the beginning of the universe". And a detailed description is also given by Nevins, Pesetsky, and Rodrigues (2009:392) in their critique on Everett's 2005 paper, "Cultural Constraints on Grammar and Cognition in Piraha".

@mikepulcinella 15 лет назад

"Why are you telling us?" Funny!

@badriansumanchhetri4856 3 года назад

Hi bro "still alive"?

@Durchbrechen 15 лет назад

imo the cases are two: 1) what missionaries preach is false, and then missionaries' deeds are as wrong here as there, and no more here than there (lies do not become more acceptable because you're accustomed to them); 2) what missionaries preach is true, and in that case to tell the truth is not objectionable, ever.

@KevinWunn 9 лет назад

xibipiio reminds me of how some cultures in fiction writting say things like "I see you, Whatsyourface." Interesting.

@hirofan 15 лет назад

I try not to believe in anything. I seek after those things which inspire me. Why are you diminishing my words? I'm just telling you that something indescribable happened. If you don't believe me just say so. The experience I had was one of TOTAL KNOWING. I recognized that state I was in.. my first thought was "this again!!" and I'd never experienced THAT in my life.

@Seeker64 14 лет назад

What does he look like? Is he white or brown? Does he have a beard? How old did he look? How long did you talk to him? Did you get pictures? Does he have three heads like some people say?

@Bookspine5 11 месяцев назад

He looks like Tim Allen. Ohhh snappppp.. Jungle to Jungle. There is a connection!!!!

@MrDoremouse 12 лет назад

You are so kind.:-) I'm asking myself,'What does it all mean?' Both faith, peoples' loss of faith, and the whole shamanic thing which, as far as evidence goes, seems to have been the first religion (at least the first religion we have EVIDENCE for, one could hypothesize there were religions before shamanism if one wanted to).Shamans in south African can 'read' the cave paintings of prehistoric times (see Graham Hancock's book 'Supernaturals')

@RodCornholio 14 лет назад

@intelliGENeration It also begs the question, "Why would a god care if anyone believes in him? What would be his motivation?" Do we humans, being gods over little animals, care if THEY believe we exist? Does anyone care if the squirrels believe in us? Or the frogs?

@j2mfp78 4 года назад

Chuck Norris?

@elijahgavin6706 3 года назад

Who else spoke with him on his Reddit AMA?

@Timba246 8 лет назад

is there a full version in free access?

@unusuario5173 4 года назад

This video is a huge tease. But you can watch his TEDx talk. It's here on RU-vid. Very insightful. After watching it, I am getting his book.

@ididjaustralia 13 лет назад

great insights, thank you!!

@DickDickstein 13 лет назад

@Reip187 One of the things I found most interesting about it is that this guy has added some new evidence that goes against commonly accepted assumptions for all languages by people like Pinker, and Chomsky. I can't explain it, but he does in the video. This brings in a peer review aspect to his talk which makes it much more of an educational watch than just "lol religion is stupid".

@SubconsciousGatherer 14 лет назад

Proof that we are indeed born atheist. It takes external information in order to start believing in a god. It's certainly not self-evident (as most theists would have us believe).

@TheAwesomeGingerGuy 2 года назад

I don't get how not knowing any living person who has seen a particular dead person proves that atheism is true. I haven't seen whoever is reading this, so do you not exist? I haven't seen a quark - in fact, nobody has - so do they not exist?

@McArrowni 15 лет назад

I LOVE them already!

@MrDoremouse 12 лет назад

His book, 'Don't Sleep, There Are Snakes' was read by him on Radio 4 ,in the U.K. It included a field recording of what the Piraha said was a jungle spirit. I t had a very funny, high pitched voice. The natives playing tricks on him? Or something more mysterious? Read that there are accounts of natives taking ayahuasca (psychedelic brew) and having SHARED hallucinations. Terence McKenna has also made that claim.I read claim that natives can see the city on ayahuasca, even tho they've never been

@kevinsturges6957 3 года назад

Just thinking out loud: I wonder what the Piraha tribe thinks of UFO’s. Do they have any concept of them? Have they had any direct encounters?

@carcharoclesmegalodon6904 3 года назад

Anything that flying and isn't identified is an UFO. Depending on how precise you want to be even a bird of a species you've never seen before may be called a UFO. So I'd wager the technical answer to your questions is “yes”.

@Sid-69 5 лет назад

1:02 _xibipiio_ works like _squanch_ from Rick and Morty lol

@ultraxmusic 12 лет назад

They focus only on now and demand evidence? Sounds like Zen Buddhism would be more compatible with them.

@lucianosilvestri4289 11 лет назад

Why people do not learn from this tribe?

@MrDoremouse 12 лет назад

I've never taken psychedelics (ok apart from a quite low dose of mushrooms that wasn't really very radical in it's effects) as I'm quite highly strung, and the thought lingers that I'm missing out (the idea of someone going thru life never having a visionary psychedelic experience HORRIFIED Terence McKenna).Um, I suppose there's non drug mysticism.

@ethanfields1444 8 лет назад

correct me if I'm wrong but I believe those are called evidentials.

@Faboba 12 лет назад

With heavy use of the 'I deduced it' suffix I guess. I'm no sure Dan's right that they're 'the ultimate empiricists' though; for one thing it would probably be extremely difficult to articulate empiricism in their language.

@itsbrianchen 5 лет назад

2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. Matthew 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

@victoriapapesh6892 Месяц назад

Fascinating 🤔

@LordMalice6d9 14 лет назад

I wonder what is about the Piraha that makes them completely impervious to all missionary attempts to convert them to christianity, There have been many times throughout history where people have demanded proof for the claims of Christianity but still managed to be converted and successfully assimilated into Christianity.

@bilgiguctur8317 4 года назад

Intresting! For a second I thought you were talking about Turkish because we have exactly the same verb features in Turkish. Daniel geldi. (Daniel came. I saw him coming.) Daniel gelmiş. (Daniel came. I heard from someone else that he came.)

@goekhanbag Год назад

Listen this: Gelmişmiş. I heard that he heard that he came.

@Icannottolerateit 14 лет назад

@SubconsciousGatherer I am not wrong. Why should I trust people who are proud of their ignorance? You are proud when you say "I have no idea!", but that is just being proud of ignorance. Faith is not just blind guessing or acceptance. If it was I would not have been changed from a strong atheist to a Christian in a moment.

@brianwurst1234 14 лет назад

@krissy4nik could you please give me some of these "critical questions" so I may ask myself?

@xXskyanethiaXx 11 лет назад

No, you're just jumping to extremes. We can have our culture and they can have theirs and we can learn from them as well. Simple as that.

@IceFurnace 13 лет назад

@Drmojoful if you go from being a believer to being an atheist its called deconverting and yes in some ways its a greater change than converting to another religion but its not changing your entire culture. you are still only changing your 'religious views'.

@blackiebori 12 лет назад

...They also have a "creation-like" (or perhaps a RE-creation) myth about the demiurge Igagai, as reported by Marco Goncalves (1993). Though this myth probably wouldn't be considered a myth about creation by some, it does make reference to a beginning of some sort. That said, I do not think Everett is correct in saying that the Pirahã lack folktales about the "mythic past." Spiritual encounters are known to take place, as long as they are experienced directly (xibipíío) by living Pirahã.

@blackiebori 12 лет назад

....But in our airports, we don't need to worry because we have written texts on computers and screens that can record every flight that comes and leaves. So there is some importance put to every event that the Pirahã can experience and remembered for later reference. Some intellectuals blatantly call the Pirahã "atheists," but they DO have religion in some shape or form. I don't see much collective radical empiricism when it comes to their shamanic practices....

@MegaTang1234 3 года назад

I'm super interested to see what they think of mathematics

@ketemashifferaw8117 8 месяцев назад

Why use Apple Pc

@Icannottolerateit 14 лет назад

@SubconsciousGatherer Well that is a rather elementary understanding of this story suited only for children. It is no mystery that Christ asked, "How will you understand ALL the parables?". So, yes, Genesis is allegorical and Paul directly says so in Galatians. Are you saying we did NOT come from solar dust? You think the writer of Genesis meant dust in the same way you think of dust as sitting on the television?

@1anarquista.sensato 12 лет назад

anyone who speaks about communism as being only one thing is likely to mage grossly mistaken claims. 1) communism is an economic theory and an ideal that has never been achieved 2) there are several categories of socialism, which is the method to achieve communism 3) Marx didn't propose State Socialism as employed by Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Castrism. His book was a basically dissection of capitalism and its flaws and had a particularly negative take on totalitarism in particular.

@xtorie 12 лет назад

Is he saying the r in Pirahã as an alveolar tap?

@m0nkeybl1tz 15 лет назад

Really good point. But what it does do is make you take a second look at things, and I think science will hold up, while religion may not.

@fardrum 14 лет назад

@angryafghan sorry I think I missed the point, your initial question was: "what does this say about Catholics"? and my answer was: "that despite their ability to count they are not immune to mass delusions?" , my sentence is therefore referred to Catholics. the meaning being double: knowing how to count does not make you immune to mass delusions, not knowing how to count does not mean you have to act irrationaly in all aspects of life ;-)

@fabienlehenaff2742 5 лет назад

2^16=65536

@Icannottolerateit 14 лет назад

@SubconsciousGatherer Who is to say that is exactly what would happen? What proof do you have of THAT statement?

@icke11234 11 лет назад

How do you know that the universe IS changing?

@Sethan777 7 лет назад

icke11234 Well, because awareness doese not move ;-) Just the Content. Not the universe is moving, experiencing is moving.

@jeffdee 15 лет назад

prffsrz: "This speaker only had religion. He never knew God in the first place." Neither did his father or any of his friends, apparently. That's kind of the whole point of the story :)

@blacksilkblacksilk 15 лет назад

Now this tribe is what I call truly civilized ! Hope they survive and prosper. :-)) silk

@nikerocks 12 лет назад

@ErieMarkus Were you actually there when god said that?

@KarthikSoun 13 лет назад

This like Eckart Tolles power of now or j.krishnamurti, living in the present!

@mos619 15 лет назад

Don't ya know religious text is an allegory and god is a metaphor?

@Jefferdaughter 11 лет назад

What can we expect from a 'free' education? Examples: "He sang beautifully." "The hills are alive with the sound of music, with songs they have sung for a thousand years." Stopping short of verbose explainations of parts of speech and thier various forms... hope that helps.

@thisishappening7273 13 лет назад

@Icannottolerateit Who follows the guy that proudly admits he does not know the truth? "Everyone follow me I am clueless!" What about when the truth is that you do not know? Humans follow people who "know" things because it has historically helped them survive. However, we've recently followed our way into a financial abyss because "experts" claimed to be able to predict all sorts of risk. It's better to know what you don't know. Better not to assume you have everything figured out.

@stephanielynn8965 11 лет назад

Vary well put.

@user-rp3cg5yp1n 20 дней назад

I heard that in Pirahã , the boundary between you and me is unclear. If you and I were to switch places, would the Pirahã act self-sacrificingly when the other's life was in danger? Would the Pirahã be like the men and women on the Titanic? I can imagine that in that world there is no third person, no comparison, no ethics, no distinction between public and private, and no empty ego. If there were self-sacrificing behavior, would the love between the men and women on the Titanic, which is the essence of human beings, blossom at that time? This is a fundamental problem for humanity, and if that were to happen, religion, community ethics, evil, and law would all come to an end.

@Icannottolerateit 14 лет назад

@SubconsciousGatherer How about this one: prove that there is a mechanism that causes gravity uses to work in the way that it does. Oh? You cannot do that? Obviously it does not exist! We only see the effects of gravity but now how gravity actually works. So obviously it "just happens" right?