I just realized that the fact that Marquesas was thrown together so fast could be why a lot of challenges took place ten feet away from tribal council.
Ah, good point. It always stood out to me in the past when watching Marquesas that you could see tribal council in the background of most challenges, can only think of a couple other seasons where challenges took place near tribal council... That would simplify things to mostly be filming in the same general area.
Probably explains why Vecepia didn't want to go on another Survivor season. Imagine being halfway through production then you have to redo it somewhere else.
such a shame they don't travel anymore. it used to be one of my favorite parts to see where they'd be in each new season...now its fiji all the time so there's never a location surprise.
@@PR0MAN01well another reason why there was never a cold climate season is that the woman wouldn't be in bikinis. It doesn't matter to me. I'd still watch the show but it's definitely something that sells the show to a small but definitely significant portion of the audience.
The two biggest CBS reality show questions are "why are bikinis so important anyway?" and "Why do the houseguests on BB need to be so freaking BORED all the time at endgame why can't we give them some party games to play? b) why is the endgame so freakin long and boring?" We may never know.@@PR0MAN01
They dont even change the sets anymore. The same tribal council, challenge and reward sets. The camps are in exact same spots every season. I guess it's a huge cost cut. I wish they'd at least bring 39 days back, since they've cut on everything else.
Shoutout to Zach Wurtenburger and his amazing video detailing everything known about the original Survivor 41, from the theme, twists, tribes, and even most of the players.
Ok, I'm not gonna lie though: the original Ghost Island pitch for Season 30, convoluted as it sounds, would be cool as hell if they had more time per episode to show everything going on. Just imagine: a tribe of 10 pissed-off people not technically in the game playing spoiler for the other 20 on the cast, sabotaging or helping people still in the game as they see fit? I know we saw it on WAW too, but I think with even saltier "ghosts" in the cast, it has the potential to be extremely funny
i. partly agree but imo the other fundamental flaw with the idea is that anyone villainous or chaotic -- basically the abi marias and kasses of the world, are almost certainly not making it out of that first challenge / trade. also anyone who doesn't pregame is at a similarly big disadvantage
Australian Survivor is getting pretty popular now, I’d love to see a crossover between US and Australia Survivor and have a team of all stars from each series compete against each other and have the hosts banter with each other too
A very different kind of lost season, but the African pan-regional Survivor Africa: Panama, from the same team behind the original Survivor South Africa seasons, is the only English language Survivor season without any record of it online. I'm not usually too interested in lost media, but I would love it if this one was able to be found someday.
Right now I think the general consensus is that the most difficult location in survivor history is either Kenya or Guatemala. I think Jordan would have been way harder than both of them.
Survivor Arabia would’ve been cool to see, though it sounds like it would be extremely difficult living conditions. I would be interested to see Survivor move around again and consider Tonga, DR, or places in the Indian Ocean again.
I love marquesas so much and always feel it’s criminally underrated. To see that season play out in Jordan would have been interesting. Micronesia is an all timer and I love it, but I would have loved to have seen who the other 10 all stars really would have been.
although the actual season concept for original 41 sounds just awful, i won't pretend like i wouldn't pay good money to see the cast interacting with salesman rick devens for an entire season
I feel like once you take on a supporting role like that you cross over to the dark side and are no longer eligible to play, because you’re pretty much a producer now. (Rob and Sandra in S39 and S40 is different because the latter season was so unique.) Now I’m not completely sold on seeing Rick play again; I feel like he’d be another Rob C or Yau Man, this dominant force who had his entire season revolving around him, fell just short, then flamed out first chance he got on a return. But I do think it’s way too early for him to be de facto disqualified from the casting pool.
I was literally talking about the story of Survivor Arabia yesterday with a couple friends, and then a day later, Luke drops this, and I can't stop laughing.
I always wondered what survivor would look like in a all desert region. If they were ever to change it up could you imagine somewhere where it's all snow. It would be so different then any season we'd ever see
I've wanted to see a cold weather location for a long time, alas it would eliminate all the eye candy of half naked contestants which I'm betting is why they have never done it.
I always laugh at that whole original Season 16 "All-Stars 2" cast article. When it came out, it had a bunch of believable names like Ian, Terry, and Shane, but then it goes "...and Fan Favourite Jeff Wilson", and we all lost it. Jeff Wilson was the original "Fan Favourite Game Changer Sierra Dawn Thomas", lol.
I've said 'fan favorite Jeff Wilson' in videos before in reference to that article, and people always accuse me of sincerely liking him in the comments
To be fair Jeff Wilson did have potential. A strong young guy that look nice and had some leadership qualities. He deserved to get a second chance given the way he went out. He has a lot in common with Caleb (ironically another game changer)
I just finished watching Survivor: Africa for the first time. I think it would be really cool to see a ranking of the Top Five or Top Ten hardest seasons of Survivor
"Scopin wishes he was on kid nation" OOOOOHHHHH MY GOD, that was DARK but wow was it good, damn. You've nailed him good a number of times but that might be the biggest OOF so far
I saw the thumbnail and wondered why we never had a season in Arabia or the Middle East. Beautiful location, harsh climate, interesting and unique culture. Then IO reminded me about 9/11 and it all made sense
I wouldn’t have minded Devens running the Survivor Quick Stop. I think there were unexplored possibilities with fire tokens in the actual game, and the currency themselves could have made things interesting (especially without Edge of Extinction in play).
Survivor The Australian Outback was bigger than Friends! The ratings were through the roof for that season! and Season 4 was probably in pre-production at that time.
I seem to remember that Game Changers was originally going to have a different theme before Natalie Anderson had to drop out. I think it may have been winners vs. all-stars vs. second chance? Also, I think that season 36 (Ghost Island) was originally going to be either an all-stars or fans vs. favorites season. And I know that you mentioned that there were "others" who were in the running for Micronesia before it was switched to fans vs. favorites, but I should point out that supposedly Janu (for some reason) was in the running for it.
Random fact: to expand on the cut all-stars cast members, who were switched with fans, Jenny Guzon-Bae from Cook Islands said she was interviewed and cast for Micronesia, but cut at the last minute (source: MySpace - I kid you not!). I think the net was wide that season and every former contestant had been called back and ultimately the producers went with whomever they already factored into their plans.
This is actually unclear as far as I know. I'd be pretty surprised if they scrapped an entire cast, however, so I'm inclined to believe most if not all of the Marquesas cast were slated for the original season 4.
@@IdoledOut I figured that it was the same cast! Since the casting process would already been completed! Thanks for your feedback! Your my favorite Survivor RU-vidr been a fan since your early videos! Great Job!
@@IdoledOutVecepia said on a podcast that during the casting process she read on a forum that they were going to shoot on Jordan and started to do a lot of research about the country and after 9/11 she read that they changed to Marquesas and she also said that some of the people she saw on the casting were on the season, so they might have just changed the country but maintained the cast
Yeah, Survivor: Jordan was supposed to be season 4, and Survivor: Marquesas was supposed to be season 5. Survivor: Americans vs. Canadians ultimately got dropped because casting didn't feel like their pool of potential Canadian players was decent enough yet -- so that theme could still happen at some point.
Especially considering the number of returnee options, I LOVE the idea of season 30 especially considering the disaster that we got and would not mind seeing it again!!
I read on one of the wikis that another possible consideration for season 41 was somewhere in the rural USA, due to the covid restrictions...not sure how that would have worked out
South Dakota took a very light hand on shutdowns. I visited Rapid City that summer because I was so sick of sitting around staring at the wall and it was the only place I could reach where a normal vacation was possible. I visited the unfortunately named Custer State Park and thought, You could definitely play Survivor here.
Hawaii would have been perfect for back-to-back seasons during COVID. No tourists, and even the main beaches were bare enough for Indigenous Hawaiians and locals to enjoy without the hassle of crowds.
Also, Jeff has said that, even though the seasons are numbered now, they still might do some "special seasons" (which would presumably be subtitled and thematic). I want to see them do a 20-person season called "Survivor: Generation Gap" -- "Boomers vs. GenXers vs. Millennials vs. Zoomers"
I think I remember hearig that Russell and Cirie were some of the contestants contacted about participating in Season 40 until they decided to make it an all Winners season.
I remember a few interviews where Mark Brunet said about the plans of a cold weather season. I always wanted a Survivor season filmed on my country (Chile 🇨🇱) from the middle south is a cold country with Patagonia, where many shows had been filmed. Watch TAR All Stats to appreciate the beauty of the south of Chile.
Winners at War should have had every former Winner back. It would not be unwieldy, 3 tribes and only the winning tribe evades tribal. It opens up a lot of possibilities for 50 with this format
survivor Jordan sounded great idea , I’m with changing locations as it had flavors added to the season. Now are all in fiji it lost some of the cultural background
I've created 2 season themes myself: 1: Survivor, Risk vs Reward. (All new players) 2: Survivor, All or Nothing. (All returning players) Risk vs Reward: The main Gimmick here... Every Advantage/Idol has a Negative recoil effect attached to them. Do you use your Advantage and Risk the downside? 2: All or Nothing. Very simple Gimmick here... more chances for Automatic Elimination's (Elimination's without voting). Twists that hold the ultimate power and ultimate sacrifices that could be game ending. Hence going in, "All or Nothing."
I once simulated a season using my own methods with made up advantages called Sabotage or Anti Advantages. This was based off of Jamal's "Legacy Advantage" given to Dean, but with one small twist that both Dean and Jamal would have known about when given (thus forcing Dean to somewhat trust Jamal but also keep it private), an Anti-Legacy Advantage would have been given to Dean by Jamal (probably in secret). When played at 9 or 6, Dean plays it but it gets played on Jamal. This means that if Dean gets voted out, the advantage then doesn't exist any more (or Jamal has to give it to someone else). The only exception, is that Dean has to play it at 6 if it still exists. Idols also had a shot clock of 3 rounds, which made blindsides a lot more challenging. In real life, this would also result in almost all public knowledge idols, resulting in no Knowledge is Power (this was done after 39, but before 41).
A little partial, but I would've like to see Canada vs. US. I also would've liked to see another season like Palau, with no merge, and hopefully with a little less domination. Who knows, maybe it would be interesting to see what would happen if it was still tribal warfare on day 30... or 33... or 36. (If they ever go back to a 39 day season.)
Tonga is beautiful - such a bummer they didn’t get to film there. Am i the only one who would have loved to see survivor 30 as described in this video? As it aired, it was one of my least favorite seasons with my least favorite cast. I think the mess of the idea explained in this video sounds good in a “so bad it’s good” kinda way.
Considering Survivor Arabia, it's a bit of a shame because Jordan is perhaps the most peaceful nation in the area, well the most peaceful Muslim nation at that. But those were turbulent times throughout the area.
Do you think we'd get a video sometime of your personal favorite and least favorite seasons? Doesn't need to be based on some objective measure, just seasons you personally love or dislike the most
Too bad they seem content to not globe trott anymore. I'd like to see what Jordan would be like now. All stars 2 I think would be better than people think if they got the people that were possible. Keep the half that were Micronesia favorites, then add: Terry, Courtney, Shane, Twila, Earl, Yul, Lydia, Chris Daughtry, Danni, and Michelle (Fiji) This doesn't even account for Ian, Rafe, Judd, Candace, Stephanie, Tom, Katie, and Pei Gee. I think they could've done it.
I'm pretty sure the end prize would have been much crappier, look at Amazing Race Canada, much lower prize money for sure. Survivor Canada would be lucky to award the winner 100K instead of 1 million.
I always hear about how miserable the producers were in Marquesas, and I think, Serves you right for pulling out of such an awesome location and playing into mounting anti-Arab prejudices. Then I look back ashamedly at things I said at the time, and realize . . . I would have felt differently then. 😣
I never missed an episode from day one. When Jeff was forced to change one of his most-used phrases (season 41). "Come on in, guys," For 20 years Jeff used that phrase. The show changed for the worse and lost me. I really loved that show. It's to bad.
Survivor marquesas was supposed to be survivor Arabia before the September 11th attacks & the political situation in the Middle East, survivor Guatemala was supposed to be on the Indian ocean before the 2004 tsunami & earthquake, survivor South Pacific was supposed to be Tonga but was scrapped because of economic reasons
