Lost On Everest - The Search For Mallory & Irvine. 5/5 

they did not show him any dignity or respect! they mutilated and looted his body, stepping on him with spiked climbing shoes, hitting him with the ice axe while digging him out to peel him of the rocks while swearing like a bunch of drunken sailors! they ripped up his clothing, cut pieces of his body for dna sampling and falsely claimed they had the family`s permission to do so... then they buried him and said some prayers for the camera, only to return two weeks later to dig him up again to check for loot they might have missed the first time, then they partially buried him again and left!

@@ralphbooger4756 These are some wild claims.....you have "evidence " to prove this ? (doubtful)

@@Enigmavyibs well, i guess that would depend on you, i mean nothing proves anything to anyone if they do not want to accept the evidence. how hard do you want it not to be true... pretty hard i would think judging by the (doubtful) remark and the "evidence" in quotations... the whole process of digging him up was filmed, but only small portions of this video has been released... the evidence is mostly the word of someone who claims to have seen the full video and their comments on what they saw (wade davis). personally i accept it, it makes sense and it is supported by bits and pieces of information here and there coming from the people that found/mutilated/looted/buried/dug up/looted again/partially reburied the body themselves... excuses can be made, it is hard to think straight in this environment, mistakes happen, as far as mutilation goes i doubt they intentionally stepped on him, but peeling him of the ground to climb underneath him (as they themselves describe it) is more questionable, cutting pieces off his body for dna testing then lying about being given permission from the family to do so is definitively a bad one for me! i understand their excitement in actually finding mallory, but i do not think the search party should have done much to him, he was half buried and frozen in to the rocky grounds, these guys did not know what they were doing, and what they did was selfish and impulsive... a second expedition should have been planned to examine him! and by that i do not mean for the same people to go back two weeks later to dig him up again because they could not stop thinking about what loot they might have missed, and even though, as they claimed there was not enough rocks to fully cover him when they reburied him, and it bothered them to leave him partially buried, i find this to be very disrespectful! but what do you think... would some of these "wild claims" be excusable? are they still respectful if the intentions were good? were the intentions good? if you had a missing family member, would you like these guys to search for them? and if so, would you be ok with them taking it upon themselves to also examine/loot and bury the body? and if so, would you be ok with them taking it upon themselves to also exhume, re-examine/loot, but leaving the body only partially buried this time...?

@@ralphbooger4756 there is obviously a difference of opinion on the subject of desecration....but it seems to me if what you did happen..we the public would heard about it......

@@Enigmavyibs well... it has been spoken publicly about by wade davis(who has seen the video) and in smaller parts here and there by the ones that found the body themselves! and others... and here i am speaking "publicly" about it to you... can you not hear me? am i not part of "we the public"? are you not part of "we the public"? is this not public? when you first hear about it, the number one reason against it being true is that you have not heard about it...? now... the ones that did this are the same ones that filmed it, and also the same ones that decided to cut it out of the video they released. is it then so strange that so many of "we the public" never heard about it? on a more serious note, if you want to hear more about it (publicly)... 🤣 i can recommend the youtube channel of Michael Tracy he has done some very thorough research, and found some interesting information on Mallory and Irvine in general, not just about how his body was treated...

Through my friend.

The Truth of this expedition is not what one could say is exactly respectful... Lots of important information was unknown by many members of this team and no real professional care was taken with the body treatment or possessions... I'm glad they found him, I just wish the examination would've been conducted a little differently.

it is what the police does to every body.

Even surreal.

@@berryreading4809 good lord, get OVER it!!!! you are absurd.

Those views are mostly kids and teens who prefer simple content, they will grow up just like we did. But I agree very underrated subject matter. Cheers

watch Michael Tracy's videos. In one of them, a man lying in a sleeping bag just below the ice axe is clearly visibile.

Climbing a mountain is more heroic than the millions of your countrymen that died in multiple world wars? Fuck outa here dude.

@@espaciofantazma901 what's your problem with him personally recognising there attempts?

@Brady Phillips yeah your right..good point

@@espaciofantazma901 On that note Mallory was a Lieutenant during WWI and fought at the Somme. I guess I can best reply to you and make a point with this quote: "The price of life is death" "For George Mallory as for all of his generation, death was but 'a frail barrier that men crossed, smiling and gallant, every day'. As climbers they accepted a degree of risk unimaginable before the war. What mattered now was how one lived, and the moments of being alive."

@@eetCC yep the first couple of British expeditions were guys fresh out of the war some of those on the second and third expedition weren't able to join the first as the were still recovering from war wounds.

yeah it's incredible and the emotions when they look at the personal effects and the telegram generates feelings of sweetness derivated from death it's a fondamental moment

Bonitas palabras.

We hope, but the chances are, it will never be found. If you fall from there, you are very likely to fall or roll all the way down to the valley, where the glaciers will crush you and carry you away, so nothing remains. But hey, we thought the same about Mallory, and here we are. So there is a chance.

Same here Antonio.

Lol, me too

it' so moving when Dave has to explain Mallory's belongings to his entire group

and with the photo of summiting in the camera (:

The camera would be the greatest Everest find to date

@@Heidi_Bradshaw Under right conditions, film can last for very long. However, it depends where the body is. If it's constantly freezing, it can probably still be recovered. If there has been warmer years and ice melted over the years, most likely completely gone by now.

Me too.

@@Heidi_Bradshaw KODAK (whose camera and film were used) says that they think the film would be salvagable if found.

+Wander MeThis 80 percent die on the decent.

This is why even if they did summit (they didn’t) it doesn’t matter. Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay SURVIVED the descent,

@@benjaminr8229 How can you be certain that "they didn't" ?

Almost all death happen on decent.

@@fragelicious descent

I totally agree with you,..It's too unlikely that the letter in his pocket, with the photo, could have become accidentally separated. Someday somebody is going to find Irvine and that camera. ;-)

They made it.

Or of course, the story of a photo was a lie because absence of evidence suddenly becomes evidence and the wife & daughter wanted Mallory to have made it.

@@Edax_Royeaux It was common practice for climbers to leave a photo . [No need to be mean-spirited....people are just trying to hopefully solve the mystery.]

@@melmack2003 No need to assume two failed climbers were wildly successful either.

Videos taken back then were sped up due to low frame rates...you can see it in silent movies e.g. Charlie Chaplin

Most deaths occur on the way down, so it's probably better to pace yourself on the way up if you can

+bubblinbrownsugar616 I disagree the urge to explore is at the core of human behavior and that urge brings out the best in the species.

+1138thz He didn't say that. He believes we were not Meant to do those things, didn't dispute man's compunction to explore above and beyond.

rob ribant"we were never meant to climb mountains or leave the planet;" I disagreed with that comment ..any problem with that sport?

If we were never meant to climb mountains or leave the planet, then we were never meant to fly or travel under the sea. "To go where no one has gone before" is part of humanity's nature. There will always be those who look at the distant horizons and wonder what lies beyond. It is the "adventure" of life that gives it it's value.

Mallory himself answered this. When asked 'why climb the mountain' he famously replied 'because it's there'

I respectfully disagree . Mallory was Mallory . Very determined and he knew that regardless this was probably his last climb .More incentive to succeed .

+Richard Smart No doubt about that.

Read Into The Silence by Wade Davis.

Or he left it at the highest point he reached. Or forgot to take it with him. Or it blew out of his pocket. Or was on him and kept secret...who know? I hope he made it. Unfortunately all the evidence that's ever been found has been below the second step. The only evidence that he might have made it is 1. No photo on him 2. Assuming Odell definitely saw them at the second step or higher (but if so how did they get back down?) 3. Found not wearing goggles (another pair may have fallen off or removed during snowstorm). Against summiting are the fact that nothing's been found from their climb above the second step, Odell might very well have seen them at the first step at 1250pm, Irvine was inexperienced, the weather turned extremely unfavorable at 2pm, their oxygen systems were shizen and they were physically spent. I think they were probably delayed on the summit attempt, frozen boots/water, oxygen not working etc and delayed by Irvines inexperience, made it to the first step, got smashed by the storm and fell descending. That said, I have another theory that they made it.

He probably forget it with the camera, LOL.

@@apikecalledmike Well, no photo on him almost surely means he took it out of his pocket, and for a reason, and we KNOW he intended to place it on the summit. So, it's not a stretch to think he did that. There's no other probable explanation for the photo to not have been on him. Blowing out of his pocket is most unlikely, as is him forgetting to bring it along or it being found on him and kept secret. There truly is a good chance that one or both did summit. The damned tragedy is it can't be proven, and Mallory may have pondered that as he lay dying. Finding the camera might solve the mystery but could turn out to be an inconclusive disappointment. Having said all this, I'd like to think they made it, as most of us do. But hard as I try, I can't convince myself. RIP you great adventurers.

@@Steve52344 What if he laid there dying after the fall ? surely the last thing he'd want to look at was the picture of his wife, it could have blown out of his dead hand.

@@dannykirton6445 Yes...if he was set on seeing it and physically able to remove it and if there was enough light to see it. That's a lot of supposition. But the possibility of summiting is more substantial, since that was his goal. And finding the camera, which is unlikely, may or may not be conclusive.

Ever hear of "summit fever"?

'xactly.

If they made it to the summit which i am certain they did, then they would have been the first to get to the top its a simple as that, a fact!

I hope they made it, however what your stating is you're opinion not fact.

The Chinese have it.

I agree that Irvine is the one who got into trouble. I bet he's in the basin with Mallory or he fell off the mountain. There have been many expeditions since 99 looking for Andrew but no luck yet.

@@lauratroxel24 he was found by the Chinese.

goofydog2 As much as the romantic in me would like to think that Mallory's wife's picture is somewhere under the snow of the summit the picture that comes to mind for me is that of a man taking that picture out, after making concession that he can go no further, and lovingly leaving it as high as he got.

***** Heart wrenching whichever way it happened, for sure! Hard to imagine just how difficult it must have been for Malory to accept his eternal fate - life with Ruth forever extinguished. Perhaps the photo was kept in a pouch of some kind that was eventually weathered and blown away by the howling, fierce winds of Everest. We'll never know and that's the sad fact.

+goofydog2 Climbers don't get any better or smarter than Conrad Anker.

Yep, the guy who did the dirty on Hugh Dowding

Yes also the advocate of the bigwig tactics along with another dubious sort Douglas Bader it was a total joke by the time All the planes were in formation the first arrived had beak off to refull that is the Toffocrace for you

Mallorys boots were missing, he must of left them on the summit too!

the did look under him the just cut it out of the vid

Reads Into The Silence by Wade Davis.

what? that's wild.

I wondered the same thing too

Read Into The Silence by Wade Davis.

He may have left the picture as high as he could go without reaching the summit. The camera could answer that.

@@goognamgoognw6637 Yes I thought that too. He knew at 38 he would never come back to Everest as a climber and so left it as high as he could. His last letter to her (Ruth) shows he wasn't a madman who wanted to summit at all costs.

@@richardhelliwell1210 another possible scenario is that Mallory died first and irvine of course took the camera from him. That would also indicate that Mallory died of exposure not a fall, as recovering the camera would have been more difficult for Irvine. Whether that happened on the ascend or descend, is hard to answer, but given that neither of them survived may indicate they both died of exposure. And that would mean that Irvine body would be found at lower altitude. I don't see Irvine would want to continue solo upward if the other died of exposure, as he probably was also seriously affected. My last guess is that Irvine finding himself in dire situation trying to descend may have gambled to take a faster route down, and could not meet the technical difficulties. An area that even today nobody would take, which is where his body is and the camera.

@@richardhelliwell1210 naa, that’s a puss move we would pull off nowadays. It then, too much pride & not too shame to say you didn’t make it. That pic is on top of that mountain if it ain’t in his pocket

The Collar had his name written on it ‘G Mallory’. It is Mallory’s body.

They also did the other dna tests after taking permission from George’s family members.

we may never know. unless someone finds Irvine's body and it is where the Chinese climber(Wang) said he saw it. I keep hoping it WAS Irving that Wang saw and that an expedition will find it in my lifetime.

@@lillysummer3546 this is not was the comment is about. google Wang + Irving+ Mt Everest for the story.

@@kevinfan726 he said he saw “English dead” and English was the only English word he knew. It has to be Irvine. But I don’t know the camera helps. In case Irvine waited down and Mallory went to the Summit. Many other reasons. But other proofs do show Mallory made it. His previous life where he has come across things.

I think something slightly more realistic, cold and exhaustion caught up with them before the summit, and they tried to climb down to save their lives. Irvine was the the first to succumb as his hands had frozen he was unable to climb further down and slipped. Mallory met the same fate a little further down. He had left the picture of his wife near the summit. The camera's on irvine.

That’s correct. And strangely he also died in the mountains although in the Alps in a plane crash in 1944

I subscribe!

Angel Pinto people back in the old british empire were tough and hard as nails compared to the ones today who lets be fair live in a nanny society and rely mostly on tech rather than spirit willpower and skill.....so yes mallery and irvine did make it up top, and those fellas who rely on all those oxigen tanks and high tech ain't fit to lace mallery's boots.

They didn’t summit

Uh....Mallory used oxygen.

I don’t care what anyone says, the earth is flat!

It does but then again if Irvine had the camera with them that would be enough and then there is no need to leave a note handwritten since u left a note on the camera with a photo

@@heartsphere2270 Yes, I did think of that after posting - I had the virtue of hindsight not like Irvine and Mallory! It's also easy to sit here in the comfort of one's home and to think things through but then up at the top of Everest thinking about whether they were going to survive it would be a whole different story. Wonder if they made it.

Reasonable concept - But, the weather had closed in, writing would have been second to safety, after taking some photos (camera with Irvine), with full report later. The missing photo of Mallory's wife is more of a clue & every climber carried a National Flag also (Again missing from Mallory). Decent comment though Marcus PG, but try writing after the achievement in foul weather, when descending, perhaps later........

@@williamanderson5437 Yes, I guess if they were up against time then taking a picture and then readying themselves for the tricky descent would have taken up what little they had. I think I'm 50:50 now on whether they did make it, well maybe 60:40 in favour!

Yes and they fell trying to get down before the night came!!

I believe they did, but it's hardly "without a doubt".

@Jo Bloggs I hear different accounts of how closely they actually looked though.. As a casually interested person, I am not sure what is true there or not. I kind of wish they'd find Irvine as well.. the picture of the wife, and the camera (any of those really).. All the same, thanks for the response.. :)

LOL....very punk rock. On that basis alone I think he made it.

I don't know if Mallory made it, but Joe Strummer would have......

There is SOME more evidence that they were at least on their way down the mountain and they had been seen near the summit but unless that camera is found and savable and they took a picture on top of the world then we will never actually know

God knows we would all like to believe Mallory summited Everest...however my bet remains with Hillary...

Terrance Hill Hilary was certainly the first to go up and down again but given their position when last seen, the goggles in his pocket and the fact they were on their way down I think they made it, whichever of us is right it would be great to find out for sure one day, fancy a trip? :D

I'm game & Have $15,000 USD set aside for a summit.....you?

Terrance Hill side note, I have no interest in making the summit, exploring the mountain and finding Irvine and the camera would be my goal :)

You are thinking of 'the wildest dream'. That's a different documentary

@@cejka30 Thanks man. I'll look for that.

@@danradu231 no probs, it's on dailymotion. It's splits into 2 parts there. 👍