Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim trailer showcased the worst of the news previously released. While the anime looked good and the trailer got off to a great start. Showcasing clips from The Lord of the Rings movies and actual canonical stories from the appendices. The latter half of the trailer went off the rails, not just giving names to characters to small and inconsequential to be of notice. But now making them the center of the story in a story they did nothing in, and going off to recruit tribes of people just like them to save a narrative they were never in. Combine that with writers who have virtually nothing of note on their credits, and what you end up with a nonsensical story that would have Tolkien writing a strongly worded letter that could knock down buildings. The anime could have been great, the start of the trailer proves that. But unfortunately, it remains tainted by the same issues as the rest of Hollywood. And worse, they're proud of it. But what did you think of what you saw? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
It's bad enough dishonoring Tolkien, but there's more to it than that. The Rohirrim (amongst others) are literally supposed to be the Angles, the native English. As someone who is native English, it really pisses me off, that some useless twaty bellends think they can mess with my history. Tolkien was a professor of Anglo-Saxon, he knew as much as anyone on the subject and he wrote The Lord of the Rings in an attempt to flesh out the missing parts lost to time. It's not just fiction and fantasy, it English heritage. Looking at the names, it's easy to see, none of the four bellends are English, so what gives them the right to think they can make things up, when they clearly have no idea, what's Toliken and what's Anglo-Saxon, English folklore?
"I will have a....... strong female character as protagonist" >"How original" "She is also a better warrior than most trained men" >"Daring today, aren't we?"
Saddest thing is, their fem icon Eowyn herself learned in her journey that heroism and death in battle isn’t the only way to live and becomes a healer in the end. 😂
Yes! Tolkien prized the wisdom and nurturing nature of women who healed the ravages of war. Much of Galadriel’s wisdom was tied to the fact that she was a staunch pacifist- refusing to war with Morgoth. And Tolkien applauds these traits as being more wise than the men. What makes women great is their ability to mend and heal the destruction of men. One of Aragorns most ‘kingly’ features, and what Tolkien prized most, far above battle prowess, was Aragorn’s unique ability to heal. A woman isn’t lesser because of her lack of martial skill. But a woman is greater because of this ability to heal and the foresight to avoid war from the outset. This is such a profound misinterpretation of Tolkien. You nailed it- no one else made this very crucial point.
@bry8636 I totally agree. It's so sad modern Hollywood doesn't seem to understand the value of anything beside physical strength. Tolkien didn't push his female character in submissiv roles or made them lesser than the men, like some seem to think. He understood that they had a different kind of strength and acknowledged the importance of their roles in his story.
@@Pokepuckywell put. Ironically what Hollywood does is devalue the attributes of women by favoring masculine attributes As if female attributes are lesser by nature Galadriel was a preserver of life and saw it as sacred and for that reason abstained from war throughout the first age. So of course RoP turns her into a warrior queen
@@bry8636 It's not about being lesser or greater, it's about both sexes having roles within the natural order. They're complementary. Feminism is just women pretending to be (worse) men.
It seems they think their version is just as relevant... even if it was Tolkien who created the whole story and they just took and built ideas from it.
Tolkien´s version is 4 pages long, half of it is the description of Helm killing dudes with his bare hands, prowling the hills like a ravenous white troll and dying on his feet waiting for his next victim.
it's always like this, the little stains think they can do better than world renown best selling authors of all time. And the best they can actually write is thirsty fan fiction
@@dinkelpapait’s an adaptation, and a good one at that. One that actually respected the source material to the best of the directors ability. This is totally different.
Oh, so Tolkien, the absolute master of fantasy, the guy who "invented" world-building as we know it, somehow "overlooked" a character? Yeah, I’m sure the creator of an entire universe, with its own languages, histories, and cultures, just forgot about that tiny detail. Good thing we have untalented journalists to point out what Tolkien clearly missed.
Unlike the silmarillion, the unfinished tales are little more than a set of footnotes and plot hooks, so a lot of care and research of the original sources of inspiration (beowulf, nordic sagas, etc)) should go toward filling the gaps in the plot and i dont know if our princess mononoke wannabe is up to the task.
Tolkien spent most of his adult life crafting Arda and its history. These ‘modern writers’ believe they can do better after 5 minutes of (what I shall charitably call) thinking.
watch the Japanese trailer, it a much better representation of the story. You should know Hollywood is pushing their agenda in all advertisement. Remember this is a Japanese production.
Don't worry. All of this wokeist garbage will be forgotten in the mists of history. Tolkien's books however will live forever, and will remain untarnished while all that crap will fade from memory.
What also pisses me off is that by making her the "real" hero, they are basically saying that the Rohirrim purposefully erased her from history. They didn't write epics and songs and ballads of her mighty deeds, I guess their fragile male ego couldn't take it so they covered it up?
What's even worse is that in the books, many poems and songs were written about Eowyn, so if Hera really existed, many poems and songs would've been written about her too.
If he knew it would have ended like this, I'm sure he would have put it in Public Domain. Sure you are gonna get some low budget trashy movies like Pooh but then it's left alone
Eowyn was a true exception among the Rohhirrim, they are a patriarchal society based on the Germanic Saxon clans, a heavy patriarchal society, the men were the warriors and protected their realm. And even Eowyn did it because she wanted to protect her home, not because of some kind of feminist feelings. She wasn't a girl boss, she needed help to defeat the Witch King, she was severely injured after that and she did marry into a traditional marriage.
I hope this female tribe also produced the Chosen One who is prophesied to bring balance to the Middle Earth. Strong female too, naturally. With flowing silky blue hair.
And the worst part; There are plenty of strong female characters in Tolkien's books, they just weren't strong in the way these guys wanted. When it comes to female characters, they only see value in masculine strength.
@@Jezza_Onethey are strong in non physical ways...the goodope female feminine strength.. Women have the strength to get men to die in war to protect them..a mothers strength..etc
@@Jezza_Onethey are strong in non physical ways...the goodope female feminine strength.. Women have the strength to get men to die in war to protect them..a mothers strength..etc
Galadriel was probably the strongest non-Maiar in all of Middle Earth. To the point that even Sauron didn't want to go toe to toe with her without the One Ring. It's just ridiculous that they took her and turned her into an angsty, whiny bitch in RoP.
Thinking back to the films, didn't Aragorn call Eowyn a shield maiden of Rohan? I'm guessing that means there's a precedent for warrior princesses in the lore? I have no idea just throwing a rock into the void.
Because that's just ''Tolkien's version of the story'', you know, because it's like a public domain story to be interpreted by all, and not at all HIS story intended as a substitute for English Mythology because there is none...
Tolkien left a lot of open things in his stories that even HE talks about not knowing the answers to. The Blue Wizards, the Entwives, just to name two things off the top of my head. The man himself was humble enough to admit he didn't have all the answers to the setting.
"So yeah, we had this really interesting story filled with compelling characters, but what REALLY intrigued me was the unnamed daughter who played no part in the story at all, so we're putting her center stage and just making a bunch of sh-t up." So f--king tired of modern Hollywood.
Yeah, Boyens has been trying to claim in interviews that they didn't just make the girl from "whole cloth"... but, I mean, that's what they did, lol. The lead actress certainly doesn't seem to have been told this, since she's been quoted as saying that Hera is more like a character from Nausicaa than Tolkien.
Oh joy, it's going to be another: "This wasn't made for you! Don't watch it!" -- audience doesn't watch it -- "It's being cancelled because of a toxic fanbase!"
Didn't Peter Jackson say, in an interview for the LOTR trilogy, that he didn't want his own politics to be included in the movies, he wanted Tolkien's voice, not his own. Pity these writers don't have the same attitude.
I doubt he'd even be allowed to make the trilogy with that attitude now. He'd probably be forced to race swap Aragorn and make Arwen a member of the Fellowship. She would be the most badass member of course.
That, plus his drive to tell these stories as historical facts, rather than fantasy, and ensuring the rest of the cast and crew felt the same way and understood the importance of the story they were telling, he treated the source material with reverence, rather than just for reference.
yes, he did indeed say he and the crew didn't want to include their own baggage in the work and kept it all separate. it's impossible task for modern hollywood though. at least we got the masterpiece of jackos lotr and of course original books. we are good with that.
Final note but do these writers actually know how Eowyn's story actually ends and the moral and point of her arc. She is not a badass warrior after her fight against the witch king, after everything she suffered through. She realised that she would rather be a healer than chase after death. There Éowyn meets Faramir, with whom she soon falls in love. Her outlook on life also changes: "Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. ... I will be a shieldmaiden no longer, nor vie with the great Riders, nor take joy only in the songs of slaying. I will be a healer, and love all things that grow and are not barren." Yeah they claim to know the stories so well yet always miss the actual point of her character arc.
Yes, her arc is actually beautiful and full of hope. She finds joy with Faramir, who is a great warrior but does not love war for its own sake. Which is why it's so sad that the second half of her arc was completely absent from the movie; neither she nor Faramir receive their full healing.
@@lauraandrews1676 Tbf to Peter I can't imagine that was an easy choice to make but some parts just had to go, at least part of her story resonated with a lot of fans who would go to read the books. And at least he scrapped the Arwen at Helms deep plot point that was planned to be in the movie because that would been a bad route to go down.
Which is one of the things in the books Jackson's movies largely dropped. There is also that while Faramir is a good soldier and Captain of Gondor, he does not relish those roles.
Eowyn's arc is literally about her giving up the idiocy of war and becoming a contented healer and housewife after having a brush with death because of her rashness. And these idiots parade her as some girlboss icon, LMAO!
Naming a character for an English mythology after a Greek goddess of marriage is a choice... wait that's the connection isn't it? Writers typed in marriage into google and found Hera and went oohhh that will do. I don't believe Tolkien was overly fond of Greek and Roman mythology... he was inspired and educated on those tales like most of the west is but I don't think he took much from it, especially not their naming convictions.
I agree, especially because it's a greek goddess. He would go with more nordic names. A lot of his names end with -en or -el, -er or -yn, sometimes it's a nordic god's name, like Frea, it's more celtic, but it's not greek. He was inspired by tribes and culture in todays north-eastern Germany, Poland and Denmark, when you go from Frankfurth to north-east, Berlin, and from there eastwards. By celtic tribes in general, but especially saxonian tribes, f.e. his big hall with his Throne is like in Beowulf. Northern and northeastern tribes, that's what inspired him the most for Rohan. Maybe also Gauls, maybe Alesia inspired his vision of the capital Edoras, but celtic tribes, maybe places, like Burgund, that was his inspiration for Rohan, but not the greek. So the name is a bad choice for multiple reasons. It shows, they don't know anything about Tolkien 🤷♂️
@@leonnunhofer3453 Rohan was clearly inspired on the horselords of modern Denmark and northern German plains. When Aragorn first meets Eomer in the Two Towers, he literally asks, "what news from the mark?" Which at the very least should refer to the plains in the danemark, or the outlands the Danes held in Britain, or some outer lands that belonged to some German princedom. Germans called places a lot of names but places referred to as Marks were flat plains that loosely belonged to someone.
The fact that they named her Hera means they know nothing of Tolkien. The names in Middle Earth were all linguistically connected to Saxon and Norse mythology. Hera is Greek.
@@arnoldd7073 Its not that hard to come with a name either, the silmarillion has an appendix dedicated to naming conventions, theres are a lot of tolkien themed random name generators or use a variation of the name of some other irrelevant minor character. Tolkien took all the names of the dwarves in hobbbit from the Edda.
I understand, that the story-writers would include a female character, to represent a female perspective. But instead of making her a Mary Sue natural born warrior, they could have let her be the 'heart' of the Rohirrim, who helps rule the Rohirrim while the men go fight... Doing this is also, a strong female tale.
If they wanted the character to present a female perspective then they should write her to sit around eating all day and complaining about all the men around her since that's all modern women do.
Can't do that because feminist doctrine, if a woman is shown to be in a "weaker" position then it's considered anti-woman and misogynostic. The only "correct" way to do it is by having a female lead that takes on masculine qualities, abilities and accomplishments and treats men like incompetent fools with outdated morality.
Since Tolkien wrote the Rohirrim with shieldmaidens, she can be shown defending Helm's Deep or any other fortifications. She could have been out riding when attacked by invading enemies so she returns to warn of invasion.
"Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - JRR Tolkien found this quote in the ether and passed it out to us all to remember.
That'll be Gandalf's secret love child, conceived with a dark elf and for whom Hera develops thirsty (but complicated) feelings. (BTW Hollywood, I'm totally available for writing projects on established franchises despite having no experience)
@@dodgyyoutuber9560 rejected a boy who looks very attractive and whom she has known since childhood. Chances are high that he will be gay and move in with one of those warrior tribe girls in the end
I was hyped months ago when I heard a Japanese animator makes a new LOTR Anime Movie. Then I saw theTrailer, first half of the Trailer looked promising, but the second half said Everything we need to know, and I knew it's forfeited. I should have known better. Blackrock, Vanguard & state street own WB, Disney, and almost all other Mainstream Companies. They decide the narrative writing. "The Narrative is More Important than Money." "We from blackrock we are forcing behaviors." ~ Larry Fink (CEO of Blackrock, the Company who CREATED ESG/DEI)
I remember when the trilogy was coming out, all the actors talked about how passionate they were about their work and about helping Tolkien’s work come to life in the best way possible. I have not heard anybody say: “This movie has too few women and black guys, I hate it!” Nowadays, all I see about these new adaptations is the people involved constantly yapping about their agenda, how revolutionary their take is towards gays, feminists and people of colour.
Honestly it was so selfish of the men of ancient times to go out and fight to protect their families while the women were forced to stay in safety. Damn patriarchy.
The Rohirrim had shieldmaidens. Eowyn was left to defend Rohan whilst her brother and uncle went to war, and she abandoned her post because her depression was so bad, she wanted to die as she saw the most noble way
Ah. That explains a lot. " Phoebe, what bedtime story would you like tonight?" "I want to ride my pony and be in LOTR" "Well, darling, there is an unnamed girl with a pony that could be you!" "Can she be a redhead like me?" "Of course!"
The problem with writers these days is that they want greatness without having earned it or even understanding what made their seniors great. Tolkien didn’t set out to be a great man for the sake of it. He simply did his duty as a man and became great by virtue of his deeds. He didn’t join the British army and fight in that absolute hellhole of trench warfare because he thought himself great. He signed up because he felt it was his duty as a proud Englishman to serve King and country like everybody else that signed up. He wrote The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings as a hobby and means of dealing with his PTSD and as a means of sharing with the world his gift to his son Christopher. He became a professor because he felt it was his duty to spread knowledge and to bolster up the next generation because it was his duty as a man of higher education to do so. Tolkien was simply a man that did his duty and became great as a result. He was such an impressive man because he was a man of great imagination and integrity. We admire his works because his works were about rising above the low points and misery of the world. His works resonate with us because all of us can see ourself in his characters and how the true cost of heroism is to never return home as you were. Frodo paid a price for destroying the ring and lost a part of himself. He lost the innocence of his youth and even his home as he knew it. There was a price for his achievement. Just like when Tolkien came home from the war only to find his hometown turned into an industrial nightmare due to the production of war material. The moment in the pub when the four hobbits have a quiet drink together and can’t even relate to the people around them anymore said more about the human condition and the price of heroism than these writers will ever know. The modern writer can’t match Tolkien because the modern writer can’t relate to Tolkien. That’s why they will never write anything good to add to the lore because they have no concept of what it is to live through hell and still hold your chin up and refuse to succumb to evil and bitterness. You can’t teach that. You can only live through it. You can’t write what you don’t know and these new writers wouldn’t know true classic heroism and duty if it came up to them and slapped them in the face.
He wasn’t perfect and some of his prejudices had been revealed through his work. But those aren’t things to be corrected or censored, it actually makes him and his work more relatable to the common man who is aware of his own flaws and shortcomings. That’s another problem with these femsert fanfics, the characters aren’t perfect but they are blameless and are just as personally unaccountable as their creators fueling delusion ad infinitum
Exactly. His characters didn't have to be female for me to relate to them and love them. And I don't want female characters who haven't suffered, sacrificed, known despair and courage and hope. Because I can't relate to those characters. They are pure narcissistic wish fulfillment that have nothing to do with the emotional lives of real women, or men for that matter. I feel insulted when these elitist female writers lecture me and tell me this is what I want in a story.
I want to be honest with you guys, the trailer for the Lord of the rings anime looks good. I’m still excited for it, a rather judge the product on its quality. I will say I’m not a fan of the statement that these people keep making, it’s like. Do you really not want your fans to watch?
Activists are alienated from their fellow man without leaving home because of their need for feeling superior without doing anything productive and are jealous of those who are producer/builders, a need to scapegoat achievers for their own failures and try to create a lie to depict themselves as ones truly worthy of thankfulness. You need to write your life for people to relate to it, as humans we smell bullshit, and activists all write lies as they victimized true people who suffered and sweated for a better life. People granted money to create are not ones who suffered but those who made others suffer and what we see is merely their selfish justification of it. That is why hero's are not shown built up to even be able to do these inhuman feats, and villains are innocent people suddenly made unexpectedly evil. I just finished a best seller, Apprentice to the Villain, it was quirky yet poorly written. Heros father did like a 180 at the end and was lying entire book or life- she was his caretaker after he fell sick and author made it so he was faking entire time, and a great SA she experienced, that father behind her back sold her for sex in a big climatic reveal. Only motive is selfishness, but entire rest of the time he was kind and sweet to her. Like, WTF is that? It is bad writing. Why villainize the father? As a creator always looking for new tools, I have come across lots of activists say they want to hurt people in their work. That is why their work fails. They inflict their rage and jealousy and not their pains or triumphs.
@@kaijukingdom2686 nothing wrong with giving things a chance and trusting your own judgement my friend. Thats part of being an adult. Or if I may use the quote of a favorite character “Figuring things out on your own is the only real freedom anybody really has. Use that freedom”. LT Jean Rasczak
There are PLENTY of female characters in Tolkien books, the problem they have with them is that they are women acting like feminine women and not women acting like their own definition of "toxic men".
"Presented by Peter Jackson" translates to, "Peter Jackson had absolutely nothing to do with this, we just paid him a lot of money to put his name here."
@@Niohoggr1973 To be fair, that's the kind of thing you do when adapting a story to a movie, you pare down the cast and combine characters to reduce the number of "hello, this is who the hell I am" scenes a book can get away with. A bit like how Jackson nuked Tom Bombadil because he didn't want that digression right as the plot was getting in motion.
@@Niohoggr1973he didn’t do it for virtue signaling though and make everything revolve around her so he still managed to put out a good story, that’s the difference.
1. Galadriel was a member of the White Council, Celeborn is never mentioned. 2. Eowyn killed the Witch-King. 3. Luthién trolled Melkor so hard by helping take back a Silmaril. They don’t want Tolkien to be this good.
Galadriel was even the most respected ruler in the West-lands, being called as "High Lady of the West" and even was Regent in the Kingdom of Lindon, until Gil-galad came of age.
@@christopherepperson3328 You are welcome. This argument also proves how "Galadriel" of "The Rings of Power" is nothing like her. She was basically an adoptive mother of Gil-galad, and thus there is no way he would not listen to her council, and just dismiss it as if she was of lower standing in authority. In the Legendarium as JRRT wrote it, if Galadriel told Gil-galad within the 1st millennium SA that the Elves should investigate in the Far North, he would send missions there, not laugh at her.
"doesn't contradict anything the author wrote" Yes it does. Tolkien gave us the key players in the war. She wasn't one of them. Nor are rohirrim woman warriors. So YES IT DOES. "Oh sheeet, I forgot to tell you that it was actually that 1 sentence unnamed daughter who saves the entire country, my bad, fellas, my bad!" J. K. TOLKIEN, Whoopie Goldberg's favorite writer
Doesn't contradict anything the author wrote-except that he wrote regular fantasy fiction which they've turned into a chick flick aimed at fringe cat women.
@@finrodfel06They don't have shieldmaidens. If you had read the books, you would know they have a single shieldmaiden. There is only a single woman in all of Tolkien's writing said to be a shieldmaiden and not a single other one even implied to exist beyond the fact that the term exists in their language. Additionally, that shieldmaiden was only called a shieldmaiden by herself - it is a self-given title like an ancient mesopotamian king saying he rules the whole universe. Eowyn is a shieldmaiden in the same way I have a a foot long third leg. I say so, and no one has yet contradicted me, and you are doing the equivalent of taking that to mean it is common for males of my ethnicity to have that, too.
@@finrodfel06 Nope. Shield maidens were NOT warriors. Eowyn had to dress up like a dude to be allowed to fight, where all the male heirs of kings went to war.
The biggest red flag that they have no idea(nor care) about Tolkien and his works is that they named a character after a Hellenistic God. In LotR, where the whole thing is based off Anglo Saxon mythology. Out of all the Hollywood bullshit, I think this would actually piss him off.
@@theredjoker8857 So hera is the worst thing to call her... doesn't fit her character, doesn't fit what they want - or can tolerate - to be her character (seeing how she got none in the appendix, that's the same anyway - although teh fact that'S al lwe get of her means she wasn't an effective pain in the ass to Helm at least)
Imagine someone going over the Mona Lisa saying "I'm going to paint everything that Leonardo has overlooked to do". The levels of conceit of these script-chippers is boundless.
"we will depict things tolkien might have overlooked" meanwhile tolkien: this is a hobbit. here's every aspect of their lives from their physical traits to the structure of their society, the amount and types of food they eat, the vast history that led up to this point, and the names of their ancestors in case you were or weren't wondering... this is a tree.
"Also here's how the lunar cycle works. Now I can be sure sure my descriptions of the moon are consistent between Frodo and Aragorn chapters relative to when they take place."
Professor Tolkien: "Yes, Helm Hammerhand had a daughter, I guess." Morons: "Ah yes, Hera, our typical pre-Eowyn female rohirrim warrior!" Professor Tolkien's Grave: 🛼
"The War of the Rohirrim trailer starter really well." _The beginning of the War of the Rohirrim trailer being simple memberberries of the LotR movie trilogy_
They have the nerve to suggest that Tolkien overlooked things in his own creation 😮. Maybe this has been a comedy all along and we just don't grasp the joke?
How the fuck the guy who in the first 100 pages of Simalrilion named everything and everyone in existence in the universe, even characters that didn't do jack shit and died immediately would forget to mention something a character did? I honestly had hope seing who they brought into the project but after reading this articles it shows that they didn't learn a thing, Warner and Amazon are fighting for who is going to piss the fans more while trying to get rights to the movies, they can all fuck off.
30yr old here. They’ve unalived LOTR, Star Wars, Disney, Marvel, the NBA, and video games…. Please stop taking everything I grew up on:( They’re scorch earthing my childhood:(((
Only if you accept it as canon.. which is something i refuse to ever do. I'd rather go back and watch the movies a million times that waste my money on this garbage once.
You mean Éowyn, the one who disguised herself as a man, killed a fellbeast and the Witch king of Angmar is second to some no-name princess that at best won an skirmish against a band of marauding hillbilies?
@@Niohoggr1973 Yeah that Éowyn went and gave up on GIRLBOSSIN' after that battle traumatised her and she married Faramir and became a healer and housewife! Ugh, what a chud!
The gal on these narcissists to think they are apt to improve Tolkien's work. But Tolkien himself answered all of this. "Evil cannot create anything, it can only corrupt that which is good"
While you have a point The actual quote you'd be looking for is " The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.” The one you got there is fancy and all but is not only out of context, its also something he never said
@@Asturian-vm3sk Aye that it does. Though in using that quote ironically enough those that use it do the exact thing the quote says. They cant create their own stuff, only corrupt things to twist them to their need (x
Funny thing is that no one would care if they simply expanded the characters story and maybe even a bit of her role, so long as it didn't contradict the existing lore and source material. The issue lies behind the fact that she is suddenly the main character, the driving force behind the events. This is completely changing the story. That is what people take issue with. And at that point it doesn't matter how unknown or undeveloped the characters or time period of the world is. When you change, recontextualize, or otherwise alter what was in the original works, you have screwed up. Badly. And you deserve to be called out and given shit for it.
just a reminder: at the end of the 1st age, galadriel marries celembor the elf forest lord, and has a daughter, and spends the entirety of the 2nd age raising her daughter and helping celembor build up his forest realm. all the action galadriel does in rings of power season 1, is actually achievements of elrond. i remember the social media meme was about how galadriels story sounds like a man's story, because it was.
Tolkien did an wonderful job revitalizing the anglo-saxon/celtic roots of english literature, and now we only have these sad excuses of shows and movies with derivative plot lines and weak art directions as heirs of his works *cof* rings of power *cof*
Yes, the man that wrote the original damn thing, and put so much detail into pretty much every facet of the world building, overlooked something . . . even though he was brainstorming ideas for this story back when he was serving in the Great War, and lived to be 81.
Héra is a masculine noun that means "a male follower, a male servant" in Old English. I just want to make sure everyone knows this, because I am pretty sure that Boyens never bothered to find out.
GIRL BOSS!!! YASSS! SLAY! I wonder how many appendices they read until they found a girl, with very little written about her, so they could use that as the jumping off point for another Mary Sue show. They obviously have zero respect for the source material so you know it's going to be awful.
Specifically feminine endings for Saxon names are stuff like -thryth, -is or -dis, -gifu, -waru, --leofu, -burh, -wyn/-wen, -flaed, -swith, -gyth, and so on. Also -hild is pretty common. We have documented Saxon women named Heregyth and Hereswith. No He'ra, of course. It sounds like heorra, hinge or bar, which is a masculine noun but might have worked as a girlboss name, but they didn't do that. Old English he'ra means "servant" or "follower." Specifically a male one. Heo're or hy're would be plausible; it means "pleasant, gentle." Heorte, heart, would have been kinda bold/cringe, but Herta was a historical name, so it's not impossible. Heorde means guard, protection, and that would go better with a girlboss theme. Honestly, Heah (high, tall) would have been a decent name to go with Helm, Hama, and Haleth. It would be an unusual woman's name, but not impossible. If you're not going historical, I would pick Heorde, Hyre, or Heorte. They all sound almost exactly like He'ra, so you wouldn't even have to tell anybody but the subtitler. But no, they couldn't spend an hour with Bosworth-Toller online.
Hera is a feminization of the word hero used by modern feminist autors. Is a modern english word with no connection to the anglo-saxon that inspired rohirrim culture.
This is exactly how I felt as a I watched the trailer... Trailer starts: "Oh, cool, this looks pretty good." Girlboss appears: "Aw, shit. Here we go again..."
They had the example of Rings of Power, of how not to do things and they ruined it again, we as fans should stop going to the movies, and let them feel our love for Tolkien, for his true stories, great video mate.
Another user in another thread summed it up perfectly: Every movie princess: "I can totally be a leader you guyz!" Also every movie princess: "I refuse to do even the minimum amount of duty and self sacrifice by marriing a prince and thus preventing wars because things being 100% convieniant for me 100% of the time is more important than the lives of my 10 million subjects! But you can be sure I'll never complain that I get to live in a castle, have 100 dresses, good food, shelter, and every luxury of my time. Me Me MEEEEEEEE"
And that is why Eowyn is the best princess out there: she actually does everything expected of a princess! She attends to the kings and guests at court, she leads the civilians in times of duress, and most of all, she understands just how perilous the outside world truly is....And when she wants more, she does so fully understanding the price it comes with, and actually has to pay that price!
As much as I love Jackson's trilogy, the first major red flag was Eomer telling Eowyn: "War is the province of men". A line which, in the book, is brought up by Eowyn herself as her last desperate strawman attempt to stop Aragorn from going through the Paths of the Dead.
I can't wait to hear them ask, "why can't Beowulf be Mexican?" In all fairness, the conspiracy of why Beowulf isn't Mexican would probably be more entertaining than Beowulf.
> What are we holding onto, Sam?" > Hope that there's some good left in this world, Mr. Frodo." Don't give up hope, ever, for then the Enemy has truly won!
Promoting a character who barely did anything to protagonist instead of Helm Hammerhand, the actual protagonist. It's a bold strategy cotton, I don't think it'll end well.
@@funkydiscogodooh, that’s good. Put me down for “She accomplishes things that are attributed to male characters in the book” and it’s presented as either her doing a The Boss from MG3 style sacrifice or her tales are attributed to the men because of the patriarchal society.
One sentence. An entire film surrounding the adventures and heroics of a character that wasn’t important enough to name…and was detailed in only ONE SENTENCE.
It's interesting to consider, instead of using the characters Tolkien wrote, the makers of this story essentially invented a character to be the main PoV character. Sure, Helm had a daughter, but Tolkien didn't name her, or indicate that she took part in Helm's story at all. So given the option to follow Helm, Hama, Hameth, Frealaf or Wulf, who are all named and important characters with important actions and involvements with the story, they decided to invent a girl-boss be the main focus. It's not often you see that level of hubris to be honest.
It's like if you had a story of a war Rome was involved in and they named some random country as a place one particular General came from, and someone later "fleshes out" this country's involvement by making it so Rome was just kind of there and it did everything and was also inspiring and stunning and brave and had lots of Representation oh oh and maybe some lantinxes...
It’s a very good point that she isn’t named. In a fantasy setting, if you do great deeds, your name will be mentioned. If you’ve done nothing of note, they don’t mention you.
The moment I saw this, I groaned. My husband asked me why. I told him to watch it again carefully with sound, because we were at the beach at the time. We watched it again at home and he turned to me and said he had no hope. He then asked what do you and Gary say.
I literally just assume everything new is trash and rather just watch a recap. If the recap is compelling I’ll then come back and actually give it my money.
What can we hope for? We are living in the era where storywriters don't have any way to describe a "strong character" excluding "he/she is a good fighter.". Frodo, a man who can endure the Ring's corruption for many years? It is so difficult for them to write characters like him. My. We need a Denis Villeneuve of LOTR.
"She can even talk to great eagles" But canonically the elder great eagles can speak the common tongue? Anyone can talk to them, that's how they're allies with other races.
Tauriel was and still is easier to accept than all these SFC. She may come out of nowhere and exist only for giving us a completely useless romantic subplot but she was believable: she had weaknesses, she was a little bit arrogant sometimes, she can't take down a gigantic orc on her own. Also, she allowed Howard Shore to compose one of the most beautiful love themes all times.
Also...naming her Hera, the name of a greek goddess for a Rohirrim princess makes zero philological sense, something that Tolkien cared deeply about. The Rohirrim represent Anglo-Saxons, "Tolkien grounded Rohan in elements inspired by Anglo-Saxon tradition, poetry, and linguistics, specifically in its Mercian dialect, in everything but its use of horses. Tolkien used Old English for the kingdom's language and names, pretending that this was in translation of Rohirric."
Feels like they just lifted the name from the character in Rebels and Ahsoka, because they probably couldn't be bothered to read a book about ancient Greeks but Disney trash ruining a franchise is right up their alley, even if she was one of the better characters.
They say that they named her after the Icelandic actress Hera Hilmar, who was in the Mortal Engines film that was written by the LOTR screenwriting team. They stuck an accent on the e to make it seem Old English. That...really does not seem like something Tolkien would have done.
Internalised misogyny. Instead of appreciating femininity, they despise it while still worshipping masculinity. And since they despise their own womanhood, they try to get rid of that self-hatred and prove (to themselves, above all) that women are worth something by "elevating" them to masculine roles while "degrading" men to feminine roles. That's the mindset.
I'm looking forwards to the next Max Max movie, where the entire focus is on that female extra in the background of that scene... you know the one, she was so interesting as she was there. All three frames. Definitely deserves a movie of her own. Called "Mad Max: He returns", because then you have done the difficult part in the title, and you don't actually have to do it in the actual film.
Please don't ruin Éowyn before she was even born. She is one of the best characters in fiction. Can this studio resist their urge to steal all of her positive traits and achievements and give it to this new "strong female character" without having her earn it? I think we all know the answer.
The king's name is HELM HAMMERHAND. You might as well call him "Chad Megacock." They could just have made an anime where he punches dudes' faces inside out for 10 hours and it would have been the most entertaining thing released all year.
Chad Megacock was Helm's long lost brother who was believed dead after valiantly driving back an orcish horde... He is survived by 4 wives and his 37 children. But somehow, _he lived!_
Quoting the article: "Tolkien's books were woefully short on prominent female characters, with a select few including Eowyn from Rohan and the elf Galadriel." This just shows us, how much the author knows about the works of Tolkien, which is maybe that they watched the Lord of the Rings movies, i highly doubt they ever touched any of his books.
It's Tauriel all over again, but this time it's worse because there's a possibility that they'll retcon Frealaf's role, the true successor to Helm and the one who defeated Wulf. They might give it all to Hera.
@@Clearlyclynn Yeah, Tauriel wasn't all-conquering GB. She actually had personality and while good at fights she got her ass handed to her by number 2 orc pretty fast....Evangeline Lilly was also gorgeous in the role.
@@Clearlyclynn bro wtf, the point of knife ears and stunties hating eachothers guts was the poin of gimli and legolas bromance, peter jackson stole that bit and gave it to tauriel, just like he deleted glorfindel from rivendel to give arwen something to do besides looking sad. you cant just delete good characters to make your OC less irrelevant
The last thing I wanted to see was a Netflix, girl boss, anime spinoff of the lord of the rings. Honestly I never thought anyone would be stupid enough to do something like this
I was so hyped watching this trailer. Then... I think it was that shot at 1:43 with the tall white boots and the short tunic that I first realized, "oh no, this is just an LOTR skinsuit."
