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@disparutoo
@disparutoo 2 месяца назад
Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim trailer showcased the worst of the news previously released. While the anime looked good and the trailer got off to a great start. Showcasing clips from The Lord of the Rings movies and actual canonical stories from the appendices. The latter half of the trailer went off the rails, not just giving names to characters to small and inconsequential to be of notice. But now making them the center of the story in a story they did nothing in, and going off to recruit tribes of people just like them to save a narrative they were never in. Combine that with writers who have virtually nothing of note on their credits, and what you end up with a nonsensical story that would have Tolkien writing a strongly worded letter that could knock down buildings. The anime could have been great, the start of the trailer proves that. But unfortunately, it remains tainted by the same issues as the rest of Hollywood. And worse, they're proud of it. But what did you think of what you saw? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
@creepingdread88
@creepingdread88 2 месяца назад
It's bad enough dishonoring Tolkien, but there's more to it than that. The Rohirrim (amongst others) are literally supposed to be the Angles, the native English. As someone who is native English, it really pisses me off, that some useless twaty bellends think they can mess with my history. Tolkien was a professor of Anglo-Saxon, he knew as much as anyone on the subject and he wrote The Lord of the Rings in an attempt to flesh out the missing parts lost to time. It's not just fiction and fantasy, it English heritage. Looking at the names, it's easy to see, none of the four bellends are English, so what gives them the right to think they can make things up, when they clearly have no idea, what's Toliken and what's Anglo-Saxon, English folklore?
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave 2 месяца назад
skip the woke Hollywood trailer and go watch the real Japanese trailer.
@fat4eyes
@fat4eyes 2 месяца назад
It's by a Japanese director, you people need to chill.
@colvamoon6962
@colvamoon6962 2 месяца назад
Helm's daughter is inconsequential? So, the spark that would ignite the war is inconsequential? As is her final fate being unknown.
@vonromberg4825
@vonromberg4825 2 месяца назад
​@@creepingdread88❤
@mcmogg_incmogg2080
@mcmogg_incmogg2080 2 месяца назад
Tolkien gave the back story for a damn tree! This man didn’t OVERLOOK anything! The nerve of Hollywood
@andrewphillips8341
@andrewphillips8341 2 месяца назад
Ummm . . . and the name of this tree so i can look it up. Please and thanks.
@justarandomdude551
@justarandomdude551 2 месяца назад
@@andrewphillips8341 Old Man Willow
@tl3033
@tl3033 2 месяца назад
Tolkien overlooked tax policies
@AndrewBarker-r3k
@AndrewBarker-r3k 2 месяца назад
@@andrewphillips8341 I believe he's referring to two trees; The trees of Valinor.
@colvamoon6962
@colvamoon6962 2 месяца назад
And yet he completed forgot to mention Frelaf until the eleventh hour. And I say this as someone who doesn't like what they're doing here.
@mizorenight3851
@mizorenight3851 2 месяца назад
"I will have a....... strong female character as protagonist" >"How original" "She is also a better warrior than most trained men" >"Daring today, aren't we?"
@justsomeguy6336
@justsomeguy6336 2 месяца назад
If she was an elf that’d make sense.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 2 месяца назад
@@justsomeguy6336 Not compared to other, male elves. Well, most of the strongest ones died in the first age. Funny, isnt that.
@justinbowers2749
@justinbowers2749 2 месяца назад
“Oh oh oh! And she will be like “I don’t need no man!” >wow you’re really breaking new ground here
@TheStraightestWhitest
@TheStraightestWhitest 2 месяца назад
@@justsomeguy6336 Nope, still wouldn't.
@patrickdevito9263
@patrickdevito9263 2 месяца назад
Rey of the Rings.
@Pokepucky
@Pokepucky 2 месяца назад
Saddest thing is, their fem icon Eowyn herself learned in her journey that heroism and death in battle isn’t the only way to live and becomes a healer in the end. 😂
@bry8636
@bry8636 2 месяца назад
Yes! Tolkien prized the wisdom and nurturing nature of women who healed the ravages of war. Much of Galadriel’s wisdom was tied to the fact that she was a staunch pacifist- refusing to war with Morgoth. And Tolkien applauds these traits as being more wise than the men. What makes women great is their ability to mend and heal the destruction of men. One of Aragorns most ‘kingly’ features, and what Tolkien prized most, far above battle prowess, was Aragorn’s unique ability to heal. A woman isn’t lesser because of her lack of martial skill. But a woman is greater because of this ability to heal and the foresight to avoid war from the outset. This is such a profound misinterpretation of Tolkien. You nailed it- no one else made this very crucial point.
@Pokepucky
@Pokepucky 2 месяца назад
@bry8636 I totally agree. It's so sad modern Hollywood doesn't seem to understand the value of anything beside physical strength. Tolkien didn't push his female character in submissiv roles or made them lesser than the men, like some seem to think. He understood that they had a different kind of strength and acknowledged the importance of their roles in his story.
@bry8636
@bry8636 2 месяца назад
@@Pokepuckywell put. Ironically what Hollywood does is devalue the attributes of women by favoring masculine attributes As if female attributes are lesser by nature Galadriel was a preserver of life and saw it as sacred and for that reason abstained from war throughout the first age. So of course RoP turns her into a warrior queen
@def3ndr887
@def3ndr887 Месяц назад
@@bry8636they’re similar to Christianity where they can defeat the strongest of enemies without the need of weapons
@miclam00
@miclam00 Месяц назад
@@bry8636 It's not about being lesser or greater, it's about both sexes having roles within the natural order. They're complementary. Feminism is just women pretending to be (worse) men.
@Meczyk
@Meczyk 2 месяца назад
"Tolkien's version of the story" Wait, what? That is THE ONLY VERSION of HIS story!
@limeylime8027
@limeylime8027 2 месяца назад
M night shamalan’s version of the avatar rotting in a dumpster:
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
there are many versions, but only one is good
@eugeliceistruecanon1678
@eugeliceistruecanon1678 2 месяца назад
@@limeylime8027 there is no Shyamalan's Avatar Movie in Ba Sing Se!
@mr.sinjin-smyth
@mr.sinjin-smyth 2 месяца назад
It seems they think their version is just as relevant... even if it was Tolkien who created the whole story and they just took and built ideas from it.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
Tolkien´s version is 4 pages long, half of it is the description of Helm killing dudes with his bare hands, prowling the hills like a ravenous white troll and dying on his feet waiting for his next victim.
@sincerelynotme3522
@sincerelynotme3522 2 месяца назад
How arrogant of them to think they could do better than Tolkien.
@user-je3sk8cj6g
@user-je3sk8cj6g 2 месяца назад
"Evil cannot create anything new, it can only corrupt that which is good"
@BigMan.270
@BigMan.270 2 месяца назад
And Phillipa Boyens should know better.
@buddygrimfield7954
@buddygrimfield7954 2 месяца назад
Deep down they know that they're riding his coattail. But they also know that it is the only way for them to get paid.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
it's always like this, the little stains think they can do better than world renown best selling authors of all time. And the best they can actually write is thirsty fan fiction
@reek4062
@reek4062 2 месяца назад
“The shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.”
@thomasshone2488
@thomasshone2488 2 месяца назад
Can we just agree that anything written after the death of an author is not canon?
@guilherme5094
@guilherme5094 Месяц назад
You're totally right!
@dinkelpapa
@dinkelpapa Месяц назад
That would make the Peter Jackson movies non canon as well
@thomasshone2488
@thomasshone2488 Месяц назад
@@dinkelpapa Yes. Why would they be?
@yrantiquebrand
@yrantiquebrand Месяц назад
⁠@@dinkelpapait’s an adaptation, and a good one at that. One that actually respected the source material to the best of the directors ability. This is totally different.
@wcamericanmade9828
@wcamericanmade9828 Месяц назад
​@dinkelpapa not cannon, but respected the source material
@justinwebber9968
@justinwebber9968 2 месяца назад
Oh, so Tolkien, the absolute master of fantasy, the guy who "invented" world-building as we know it, somehow "overlooked" a character? Yeah, I’m sure the creator of an entire universe, with its own languages, histories, and cultures, just forgot about that tiny detail. Good thing we have untalented journalists to point out what Tolkien clearly missed.
@justinbowers2749
@justinbowers2749 2 месяца назад
Clearly the guy who literally created a different fantasy language had origins for *ROCKS AND TREES* missed and overlooked something
@tagreene06
@tagreene06 2 месяца назад
Sheer fuckin hubris with these people
@brandonbanks5290
@brandonbanks5290 2 месяца назад
Not to mention their own calendars for each race in middle earth.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
Unlike the silmarillion, the unfinished tales are little more than a set of footnotes and plot hooks, so a lot of care and research of the original sources of inspiration (beowulf, nordic sagas, etc)) should go toward filling the gaps in the plot and i dont know if our princess mononoke wannabe is up to the task.
@lordomacron3719
@lordomacron3719 2 месяца назад
Tolkien spent most of his adult life crafting Arda and its history. These ‘modern writers’ believe they can do better after 5 minutes of (what I shall charitably call) thinking.
@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r
@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r 2 месяца назад
Its a real shame J.R.R. Tolkien's legacy is being treated like this. It just keeps getting worse and worse by the minute.
@JabelldiMarco
@JabelldiMarco 2 месяца назад
...by inept amateurs unable to make a successful adaption of one of the most famous IPs ever. A disgrace.
@Emma_2Banks
@Emma_2Banks 2 месяца назад
Gene Roddenberry, Tolkien, George Lucas. They’re taking all these men’s legacies and stomping all over them
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave 2 месяца назад
watch the Japanese trailer, it a much better representation of the story. You should know Hollywood is pushing their agenda in all advertisement. Remember this is a Japanese production.
@user-je3sk8cj6g
@user-je3sk8cj6g 2 месяца назад
Don't worry. All of this wokeist garbage will be forgotten in the mists of history. Tolkien's books however will live forever, and will remain untarnished while all that crap will fade from memory.
@johnmorris1009
@johnmorris1009 2 месяца назад
Another sad thing is that Phillippa Boyens is working on it. It just shows what being wokeified can do to a once sensible person's brain.
@veselinnedkov643
@veselinnedkov643 2 месяца назад
What also pisses me off is that by making her the "real" hero, they are basically saying that the Rohirrim purposefully erased her from history. They didn't write epics and songs and ballads of her mighty deeds, I guess their fragile male ego couldn't take it so they covered it up?
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave Месяц назад
the Japanese trailer show a balanced plot from both sides, and Hollywood version only shows one side.......strange right
@jojomuppet1820
@jojomuppet1820 Месяц назад
​@@IndenturedRU-vidSlaveBecause our version sucks like the country.
@mikonyx7712
@mikonyx7712 Месяц назад
​@@IndenturedRU-vidSlave Wait, that's insane 😂
@Lurkfish-nm4yc
@Lurkfish-nm4yc Месяц назад
What's even worse is that in the books, many poems and songs were written about Eowyn, so if Hera really existed, many poems and songs would've been written about her too.
@tommyservo9660
@tommyservo9660 2 месяца назад
The only thing Tolkien overlooked was his grandson's idiocy.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
If he knew it would have ended like this, I'm sure he would have put it in Public Domain. Sure you are gonna get some low budget trashy movies like Pooh but then it's left alone
@jacobitewiseman3696
@jacobitewiseman3696 2 месяца назад
Yeah like why a skin tight clothed woman being a Catholic an all.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
i still have nightmares with the Glorfindel card in the MTGxLOTR crossover
@benvandermerwe4934
@benvandermerwe4934 2 месяца назад
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⚡🥃
@Tallacus
@Tallacus 2 месяца назад
Simon is case in point a prime example how to ruin you family's legacy
@jameslightfoot1872
@jameslightfoot1872 2 месяца назад
Making an entire tribe of warrior women erases what made Eowyn so remarkable.
@rpgadventurer32
@rpgadventurer32 2 месяца назад
Eowyn was a true exception among the Rohhirrim, they are a patriarchal society based on the Germanic Saxon clans, a heavy patriarchal society, the men were the warriors and protected their realm. And even Eowyn did it because she wanted to protect her home, not because of some kind of feminist feelings. She wasn't a girl boss, she needed help to defeat the Witch King, she was severely injured after that and she did marry into a traditional marriage.
@curtis5799
@curtis5799 2 месяца назад
When everyone is special, no one is.
@ExitonD
@ExitonD 2 месяца назад
I hope this female tribe also produced the Chosen One who is prophesied to bring balance to the Middle Earth. Strong female too, naturally. With flowing silky blue hair.
@los1wochos
@los1wochos 2 месяца назад
@@ExitonD Blue hair and a natural nose ring.
@lilyvonshtuup
@lilyvonshtuup 2 месяца назад
Blue hair, natural nose ring and vapour trail.
@billbillinger2117
@billbillinger2117 2 месяца назад
LotR: I am no man. WotR: I don't need no man.
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 15 дней назад
“I don’t need no man BECAUSE I am no man. That differentiates me from Rings of Power.”
@MannlyButzz
@MannlyButzz 2 месяца назад
And the worst part; There are plenty of strong female characters in Tolkien's books, they just weren't strong in the way these guys wanted. When it comes to female characters, they only see value in masculine strength.
@Jezza_One
@Jezza_One 2 месяца назад
Actually there arent many strong female characters compared with the number of strong male characters its a bit like reality.
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 2 месяца назад
​@@Jezza_Onethey are strong in non physical ways...the goodope female feminine strength.. Women have the strength to get men to die in war to protect them..a mothers strength..etc
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 2 месяца назад
​@@Jezza_Onethey are strong in non physical ways...the goodope female feminine strength.. Women have the strength to get men to die in war to protect them..a mothers strength..etc
@wumpusrat
@wumpusrat 2 месяца назад
Galadriel was probably the strongest non-Maiar in all of Middle Earth. To the point that even Sauron didn't want to go toe to toe with her without the One Ring. It's just ridiculous that they took her and turned her into an angsty, whiny bitch in RoP.
@desertmammoth3159
@desertmammoth3159 2 месяца назад
Thinking back to the films, didn't Aragorn call Eowyn a shield maiden of Rohan? I'm guessing that means there's a precedent for warrior princesses in the lore? I have no idea just throwing a rock into the void.
@radioface86
@radioface86 2 месяца назад
Tolkien is the author and creator. Saying he missed something is fucking lunacy. It's HIS STORY.
@JAI_SHREE_RAM12337
@JAI_SHREE_RAM12337 2 месяца назад
Yes man
@sajjadalhachami7574
@sajjadalhachami7574 2 месяца назад
He's spind all his life to Arda
@Patrick_0n
@Patrick_0n 2 месяца назад
People should get sued for ruining someone else's work by inserting garbage into it....
@grandmufftwerkin9037
@grandmufftwerkin9037 2 месяца назад
They're making something that they say Tolkien overlooked, using Tolkien's own work. Sheer fookin hubris.
@reek4062
@reek4062 2 месяца назад
It’s what you Jackson fans deserve
@nathanmorgan3647
@nathanmorgan3647 2 месяца назад
Female narcissism born of decades of males coddling and spoiling them instead of putting them back in their place.
@TheStraightestWhitest
@TheStraightestWhitest 2 месяца назад
Because that's just ''Tolkien's version of the story'', you know, because it's like a public domain story to be interpreted by all, and not at all HIS story intended as a substitute for English Mythology because there is none...
@naradac841
@naradac841 2 месяца назад
Tolkien left a lot of open things in his stories that even HE talks about not knowing the answers to. The Blue Wizards, the Entwives, just to name two things off the top of my head. The man himself was humble enough to admit he didn't have all the answers to the setting.
@APelleti2
@APelleti2 2 месяца назад
If a writer takes the time to create a full language but doesn't think someone is important enough to write about them, they probably arent
@keiichi8191
@keiichi8191 2 месяца назад
"So yeah, we had this really interesting story filled with compelling characters, but what REALLY intrigued me was the unnamed daughter who played no part in the story at all, so we're putting her center stage and just making a bunch of sh-t up." So f--king tired of modern Hollywood.
@Blodhelm
@Blodhelm 2 месяца назад
Agreed.
@marychocolatefairy
@marychocolatefairy 2 месяца назад
Yeah, Boyens has been trying to claim in interviews that they didn't just make the girl from "whole cloth"... but, I mean, that's what they did, lol. The lead actress certainly doesn't seem to have been told this, since she's been quoted as saying that Hera is more like a character from Nausicaa than Tolkien.
@mr.sinjin-smyth
@mr.sinjin-smyth 2 месяца назад
This "Hera" is being modeled after a certain Nausicaa...
@GeraltofRivia22
@GeraltofRivia22 2 месяца назад
​@@mr.sinjin-smyth Nausicca is actually an amazing character though, I doubt this Hera will be.
@tagreene06
@tagreene06 2 месяца назад
We all are
@JoseSilva-rk9ur
@JoseSilva-rk9ur 2 месяца назад
Parts Tolkien “might have overlooked”. The man who wrote entire languages, mythologies, religions, geography and more for his stories.
@ajm2872
@ajm2872 2 месяца назад
"They speak of me as if I am not even in the room." -Tolkien, probably
@wadewilson6628
@wadewilson6628 2 месяца назад
I was there for the first half. Then the Girlboss showed up, and I didn't even finish it.
@Moose265
@Moose265 2 месяца назад
yes
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
At least Meduseld looks like a proper mead hall.
@kd9749
@kd9749 2 месяца назад
Legit.
@daurydavis3983
@daurydavis3983 Месяц назад
Poor misogynist
@eatatjoecs
@eatatjoecs 2 месяца назад
Oh joy, it's going to be another: "This wasn't made for you! Don't watch it!" -- audience doesn't watch it -- "It's being cancelled because of a toxic fanbase!"
@erichtomanek4739
@erichtomanek4739 2 месяца назад
Didn't Peter Jackson say, in an interview for the LOTR trilogy, that he didn't want his own politics to be included in the movies, he wanted Tolkien's voice, not his own. Pity these writers don't have the same attitude.
@58jharris
@58jharris 2 месяца назад
I doubt he'd even be allowed to make the trilogy with that attitude now. He'd probably be forced to race swap Aragorn and make Arwen a member of the Fellowship. She would be the most badass member of course.
@jamesmetcalf5597
@jamesmetcalf5597 2 месяца назад
He'd also be forced to have Frodo and Sam be in an openly romantic relationship.
@nexus_of_a_crisis
@nexus_of_a_crisis 2 месяца назад
Sheer hecking hubris!
@mickieg1994
@mickieg1994 2 месяца назад
That, plus his drive to tell these stories as historical facts, rather than fantasy, and ensuring the rest of the cast and crew felt the same way and understood the importance of the story they were telling, he treated the source material with reverence, rather than just for reference.
@Bleiser3
@Bleiser3 2 месяца назад
yes, he did indeed say he and the crew didn't want to include their own baggage in the work and kept it all separate. it's impossible task for modern hollywood though. at least we got the masterpiece of jackos lotr and of course original books. we are good with that.
@MajorSmurf
@MajorSmurf 2 месяца назад
Final note but do these writers actually know how Eowyn's story actually ends and the moral and point of her arc. She is not a badass warrior after her fight against the witch king, after everything she suffered through. She realised that she would rather be a healer than chase after death. There Éowyn meets Faramir, with whom she soon falls in love. Her outlook on life also changes: "Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. ... I will be a shieldmaiden no longer, nor vie with the great Riders, nor take joy only in the songs of slaying. I will be a healer, and love all things that grow and are not barren." Yeah they claim to know the stories so well yet always miss the actual point of her character arc.
@lauraandrews1676
@lauraandrews1676 2 месяца назад
Yes, her arc is actually beautiful and full of hope. She finds joy with Faramir, who is a great warrior but does not love war for its own sake. Which is why it's so sad that the second half of her arc was completely absent from the movie; neither she nor Faramir receive their full healing.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 2 месяца назад
Even the movies literally explain her character. In the theatrical edition, without the scenes from the extended cuts. They just dont want to get it.
@MajorSmurf
@MajorSmurf 2 месяца назад
@@lauraandrews1676 Tbf to Peter I can't imagine that was an easy choice to make but some parts just had to go, at least part of her story resonated with a lot of fans who would go to read the books. And at least he scrapped the Arwen at Helms deep plot point that was planned to be in the movie because that would been a bad route to go down.
@mjbull5156
@mjbull5156 2 месяца назад
Which is one of the things in the books Jackson's movies largely dropped. There is also that while Faramir is a good soldier and Captain of Gondor, he does not relish those roles.
@TheStraightestWhitest
@TheStraightestWhitest 2 месяца назад
Eowyn's arc is literally about her giving up the idiocy of war and becoming a contented healer and housewife after having a brush with death because of her rashness. And these idiots parade her as some girlboss icon, LMAO!
@HKKvampiro
@HKKvampiro 2 месяца назад
There was also a maid who cleaned the floors of the castle. No one ever mentions her. Imagine being that maid-she deserves a movie! Damn you Tolkien
@tankman5503
@tankman5503 Месяц назад
😂
@hiatusvita1570
@hiatusvita1570 Месяц назад
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@PhotriusPyrelus
@PhotriusPyrelus 2 месяца назад
Tolkien would never name a character "Hera". He was more creative than that...
@margaret-mure
@margaret-mure 2 месяца назад
Right??
@MajorSmurf
@MajorSmurf 2 месяца назад
Naming a character for an English mythology after a Greek goddess of marriage is a choice... wait that's the connection isn't it? Writers typed in marriage into google and found Hera and went oohhh that will do. I don't believe Tolkien was overly fond of Greek and Roman mythology... he was inspired and educated on those tales like most of the west is but I don't think he took much from it, especially not their naming convictions.
@leonnunhofer3453
@leonnunhofer3453 2 месяца назад
I agree, especially because it's a greek goddess. He would go with more nordic names. A lot of his names end with -en or -el, -er or -yn, sometimes it's a nordic god's name, like Frea, it's more celtic, but it's not greek. He was inspired by tribes and culture in todays north-eastern Germany, Poland and Denmark, when you go from Frankfurth to north-east, Berlin, and from there eastwards. By celtic tribes in general, but especially saxonian tribes, f.e. his big hall with his Throne is like in Beowulf. Northern and northeastern tribes, that's what inspired him the most for Rohan. Maybe also Gauls, maybe Alesia inspired his vision of the capital Edoras, but celtic tribes, maybe places, like Burgund, that was his inspiration for Rohan, but not the greek. So the name is a bad choice for multiple reasons. It shows, they don't know anything about Tolkien 🤷‍♂️
@nuclearmedicineman6270
@nuclearmedicineman6270 2 месяца назад
@@leonnunhofer3453 Frea? You mean Frigg? As in Frigg's Day; Friday? Or Freyja "The Lady", sister of Freyr?
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 2 месяца назад
@@leonnunhofer3453 Rohan was clearly inspired on the horselords of modern Denmark and northern German plains. When Aragorn first meets Eomer in the Two Towers, he literally asks, "what news from the mark?" Which at the very least should refer to the plains in the danemark, or the outlands the Danes held in Britain, or some outer lands that belonged to some German princedom. Germans called places a lot of names but places referred to as Marks were flat plains that loosely belonged to someone.
@kevinmccabe7263
@kevinmccabe7263 2 месяца назад
The fact that they named her Hera means they know nothing of Tolkien. The names in Middle Earth were all linguistically connected to Saxon and Norse mythology. Hera is Greek.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
they named her HERa, because she is a woman
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
I think this Hera refers to the modern english feminization of Hero, used by feminist/lesbian autors.
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 2 месяца назад
​@@Niohoggr1973 That doesn't make it any better 😅
@arnoldd7073
@arnoldd7073 2 месяца назад
Yes it's so jarring a name to have in middle earth.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
@@arnoldd7073 Its not that hard to come with a name either, the silmarillion has an appendix dedicated to naming conventions, theres are a lot of tolkien themed random name generators or use a variation of the name of some other irrelevant minor character. Tolkien took all the names of the dwarves in hobbbit from the Edda.
@gnifle79
@gnifle79 2 месяца назад
I understand, that the story-writers would include a female character, to represent a female perspective. But instead of making her a Mary Sue natural born warrior, they could have let her be the 'heart' of the Rohirrim, who helps rule the Rohirrim while the men go fight... Doing this is also, a strong female tale.
@fnhatic6694
@fnhatic6694 2 месяца назад
If they wanted the character to present a female perspective then they should write her to sit around eating all day and complaining about all the men around her since that's all modern women do.
@DMAN99
@DMAN99 2 месяца назад
Can't do that because feminist doctrine, if a woman is shown to be in a "weaker" position then it's considered anti-woman and misogynostic. The only "correct" way to do it is by having a female lead that takes on masculine qualities, abilities and accomplishments and treats men like incompetent fools with outdated morality.
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 2 месяца назад
Since Tolkien wrote the Rohirrim with shieldmaidens, she can be shown defending Helm's Deep or any other fortifications. She could have been out riding when attacked by invading enemies so she returns to warn of invasion.
@B__Khan
@B__Khan 2 месяца назад
@@MegaKnight2012where is the rohirrim written with shieldmaidens?
@warawana
@warawana 2 месяца назад
"Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - JRR Tolkien found this quote in the ether and passed it out to us all to remember.
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 15 дней назад
Looks like it’s good purifying evil. Nothing like creation, but it’ll do for now.
@Frosty1979
@Frosty1979 2 месяца назад
I am actually surprised they didn't make her black and gay.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
there is still time for the second part to be true
@TankUni
@TankUni 2 месяца назад
That'll be Gandalf's secret love child, conceived with a dark elf and for whom Hera develops thirsty (but complicated) feelings. (BTW Hollywood, I'm totally available for writing projects on established franchises despite having no experience)
@rangerstedfast
@rangerstedfast 2 месяца назад
@@TankUni Not Gandalf, Galadriel instead "I carried her!" "I CREATED her!" *spastic Guyladriel face twitch
@dodgyyoutuber9560
@dodgyyoutuber9560 2 месяца назад
She could still be gay. She turned down the marriage
@Robert-le3hi
@Robert-le3hi 2 месяца назад
@@dodgyyoutuber9560 rejected a boy who looks very attractive and whom she has known since childhood. Chances are high that he will be gay and move in with one of those warrior tribe girls in the end
@Delicashilous
@Delicashilous 2 месяца назад
I was hyped months ago when I heard a Japanese animator makes a new LOTR Anime Movie. Then I saw theTrailer, first half of the Trailer looked promising, but the second half said Everything we need to know, and I knew it's forfeited. I should have known better. Blackrock, Vanguard & state street own WB, Disney, and almost all other Mainstream Companies. They decide the narrative writing. "The Narrative is More Important than Money." "We from blackrock we are forcing behaviors." ~ Larry Fink (CEO of Blackrock, the Company who CREATED ESG/DEI)
@grumpypants8113
@grumpypants8113 Месяц назад
💯
@MrShadowSmith
@MrShadowSmith Месяц назад
Yeah that's why the animation looks great but everything else will be trash.
@Princeps2
@Princeps2 2 месяца назад
I remember when the trilogy was coming out, all the actors talked about how passionate they were about their work and about helping Tolkien’s work come to life in the best way possible. I have not heard anybody say: “This movie has too few women and black guys, I hate it!” Nowadays, all I see about these new adaptations is the people involved constantly yapping about their agenda, how revolutionary their take is towards gays, feminists and people of colour.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
Well they didn´t say “This movie has too few women and black guys, I hate it!”, they said "Tolkien is a racist" and "orcs are an explioted monirity"
@BreakingPhobia103
@BreakingPhobia103 2 месяца назад
Amen!
@data_abort
@data_abort 2 месяца назад
Your statement is true of pretty much all movies and TV. Definitely or especially native-streaming stuff (Netflix, Amazon).
@DillsyYourDaddy67
@DillsyYourDaddy67 2 месяца назад
@@Niohoggr1973 Gandalf was a Duendain Supremacist
@Outcast-0033
@Outcast-0033 2 месяца назад
I believe you mean "colored people"
@AlStone2
@AlStone2 2 месяца назад
Honestly it was so selfish of the men of ancient times to go out and fight to protect their families while the women were forced to stay in safety. Damn patriarchy.
@VleesetendPlantje14
@VleesetendPlantje14 2 месяца назад
So unfair that the women couldn’t just leave their children behind and let their bloodlines end!
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 2 месяца назад
The Rohirrim had shieldmaidens. Eowyn was left to defend Rohan whilst her brother and uncle went to war, and she abandoned her post because her depression was so bad, she wanted to die as she saw the most noble way
@VaultArchive72
@VaultArchive72 2 месяца назад
They sent out little 6-10 year old boys in the movies while grown adult women cowered in the caves with their daughters.
@DrygdorDradgvork
@DrygdorDradgvork 2 месяца назад
​@@VaultArchive72where are you getting those ages?
@SovietBear91
@SovietBear91 2 месяца назад
@@MegaKnight2012How is drag queen story hour Timmy?
@michaelheeks5279
@michaelheeks5279 2 месяца назад
The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing all over again and expecting a different outcome.
@mojtabanemati3418
@mojtabanemati3418 2 месяца назад
You forgot to mention that Phoebe Gittins is the daughter of the producer, Philippa Boyens. Who needs experience when you have nepotism?!
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
that's hollywood bebeh
@sclarin2
@sclarin2 2 месяца назад
Holy crap I had to look that up to make sure. This is the biggest red flags of all the red flags i see.
@snsnplpl
@snsnplpl 2 месяца назад
Ah. That explains a lot. " Phoebe, what bedtime story would you like tonight?" "I want to ride my pony and be in LOTR" "Well, darling, there is an unnamed girl with a pony that could be you!" "Can she be a redhead like me?" "Of course!"
@canderoussnurd4265
@canderoussnurd4265 2 месяца назад
The problem with writers these days is that they want greatness without having earned it or even understanding what made their seniors great. Tolkien didn’t set out to be a great man for the sake of it. He simply did his duty as a man and became great by virtue of his deeds. He didn’t join the British army and fight in that absolute hellhole of trench warfare because he thought himself great. He signed up because he felt it was his duty as a proud Englishman to serve King and country like everybody else that signed up. He wrote The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings as a hobby and means of dealing with his PTSD and as a means of sharing with the world his gift to his son Christopher. He became a professor because he felt it was his duty to spread knowledge and to bolster up the next generation because it was his duty as a man of higher education to do so. Tolkien was simply a man that did his duty and became great as a result. He was such an impressive man because he was a man of great imagination and integrity. We admire his works because his works were about rising above the low points and misery of the world. His works resonate with us because all of us can see ourself in his characters and how the true cost of heroism is to never return home as you were. Frodo paid a price for destroying the ring and lost a part of himself. He lost the innocence of his youth and even his home as he knew it. There was a price for his achievement. Just like when Tolkien came home from the war only to find his hometown turned into an industrial nightmare due to the production of war material. The moment in the pub when the four hobbits have a quiet drink together and can’t even relate to the people around them anymore said more about the human condition and the price of heroism than these writers will ever know. The modern writer can’t match Tolkien because the modern writer can’t relate to Tolkien. That’s why they will never write anything good to add to the lore because they have no concept of what it is to live through hell and still hold your chin up and refuse to succumb to evil and bitterness. You can’t teach that. You can only live through it. You can’t write what you don’t know and these new writers wouldn’t know true classic heroism and duty if it came up to them and slapped them in the face.
@Ogoseaux
@Ogoseaux 2 месяца назад
He wasn’t perfect and some of his prejudices had been revealed through his work. But those aren’t things to be corrected or censored, it actually makes him and his work more relatable to the common man who is aware of his own flaws and shortcomings. That’s another problem with these femsert fanfics, the characters aren’t perfect but they are blameless and are just as personally unaccountable as their creators fueling delusion ad infinitum
@cosmicmuffin322
@cosmicmuffin322 2 месяца назад
Exactly. His characters didn't have to be female for me to relate to them and love them. And I don't want female characters who haven't suffered, sacrificed, known despair and courage and hope. Because I can't relate to those characters. They are pure narcissistic wish fulfillment that have nothing to do with the emotional lives of real women, or men for that matter. I feel insulted when these elitist female writers lecture me and tell me this is what I want in a story.
@kaijukingdom2686
@kaijukingdom2686 2 месяца назад
I want to be honest with you guys, the trailer for the Lord of the rings anime looks good. I’m still excited for it, a rather judge the product on its quality. I will say I’m not a fan of the statement that these people keep making, it’s like. Do you really not want your fans to watch?
@Skitdora2010
@Skitdora2010 2 месяца назад
Activists are alienated from their fellow man without leaving home because of their need for feeling superior without doing anything productive and are jealous of those who are producer/builders, a need to scapegoat achievers for their own failures and try to create a lie to depict themselves as ones truly worthy of thankfulness. You need to write your life for people to relate to it, as humans we smell bullshit, and activists all write lies as they victimized true people who suffered and sweated for a better life. People granted money to create are not ones who suffered but those who made others suffer and what we see is merely their selfish justification of it. That is why hero's are not shown built up to even be able to do these inhuman feats, and villains are innocent people suddenly made unexpectedly evil. I just finished a best seller, Apprentice to the Villain, it was quirky yet poorly written. Heros father did like a 180 at the end and was lying entire book or life- she was his caretaker after he fell sick and author made it so he was faking entire time, and a great SA she experienced, that father behind her back sold her for sex in a big climatic reveal. Only motive is selfishness, but entire rest of the time he was kind and sweet to her. Like, WTF is that? It is bad writing. Why villainize the father? As a creator always looking for new tools, I have come across lots of activists say they want to hurt people in their work. That is why their work fails. They inflict their rage and jealousy and not their pains or triumphs.
@canderoussnurd4265
@canderoussnurd4265 2 месяца назад
@@kaijukingdom2686 nothing wrong with giving things a chance and trusting your own judgement my friend. Thats part of being an adult. Or if I may use the quote of a favorite character “Figuring things out on your own is the only real freedom anybody really has. Use that freedom”. LT Jean Rasczak
@hiair
@hiair 2 месяца назад
There are PLENTY of female characters in Tolkien books, the problem they have with them is that they are women acting like feminine women and not women acting like their own definition of "toxic men".
@davidvines3883
@davidvines3883 2 месяца назад
"The beacons have been lit! Tolkien's lore calls for aid!" "And the fandom will answer."
@mandojoe4914
@mandojoe4914 2 месяца назад
Not LOTR but Warhammer’s lore needs aid as well if you’ve seen the recent news
@davidvines3883
@davidvines3883 2 месяца назад
@mandojoe4914 I'm not up on Warhammer lore. Last thing I saw was "custodes can be women". Is that the newest?
@fightingfortruth9806
@fightingfortruth9806 2 месяца назад
"Presented by Peter Jackson" translates to, "Peter Jackson had absolutely nothing to do with this, we just paid him a lot of money to put his name here."
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
Well, he removed the character of Glorfindel to make Arwen relevant to the story, so inserting a strong female character is a bit his style.
@SilverAloe
@SilverAloe 2 месяца назад
⁠@@Niohoggr1973I’m still waiting for justice for Glorfindel. He was robbed….
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
@@SilverAloe i mean, he was elf jesus
@CruelestChris
@CruelestChris 2 месяца назад
@@Niohoggr1973 To be fair, that's the kind of thing you do when adapting a story to a movie, you pare down the cast and combine characters to reduce the number of "hello, this is who the hell I am" scenes a book can get away with. A bit like how Jackson nuked Tom Bombadil because he didn't want that digression right as the plot was getting in motion.
@babansif
@babansif 2 месяца назад
@@Niohoggr1973he didn’t do it for virtue signaling though and make everything revolve around her so he still managed to put out a good story, that’s the difference.
@christopherepperson3328
@christopherepperson3328 2 месяца назад
1. Galadriel was a member of the White Council, Celeborn is never mentioned. 2. Eowyn killed the Witch-King. 3. Luthién trolled Melkor so hard by helping take back a Silmaril. They don’t want Tolkien to be this good.
@paulmayson3129
@paulmayson3129 Месяц назад
Galadriel was even the most respected ruler in the West-lands, being called as "High Lady of the West" and even was Regent in the Kingdom of Lindon, until Gil-galad came of age.
@christopherepperson3328
@christopherepperson3328 Месяц назад
@@paulmayson3129 Proves my point even further. Thank you.
@paulmayson3129
@paulmayson3129 Месяц назад
@@christopherepperson3328 You are welcome. This argument also proves how "Galadriel" of "The Rings of Power" is nothing like her. She was basically an adoptive mother of Gil-galad, and thus there is no way he would not listen to her council, and just dismiss it as if she was of lower standing in authority. In the Legendarium as JRRT wrote it, if Galadriel told Gil-galad within the 1st millennium SA that the Elves should investigate in the Far North, he would send missions there, not laugh at her.
@unitron2005
@unitron2005 2 месяца назад
"doesn't contradict anything the author wrote" Yes it does. Tolkien gave us the key players in the war. She wasn't one of them. Nor are rohirrim woman warriors. So YES IT DOES. "Oh sheeet, I forgot to tell you that it was actually that 1 sentence unnamed daughter who saves the entire country, my bad, fellas, my bad!" J. K. TOLKIEN, Whoopie Goldberg's favorite writer
@Scripture-Man
@Scripture-Man 2 месяца назад
Doesn't contradict anything the author wrote-except that he wrote regular fantasy fiction which they've turned into a chick flick aimed at fringe cat women.
@finrodfel06
@finrodfel06 2 месяца назад
Rohan does have women warriors. They're called shield maidens.
@Alex_Fahey
@Alex_Fahey 2 месяца назад
​​​@@finrodfel06They don't have shieldmaidens. If you had read the books, you would know they have a single shieldmaiden. There is only a single woman in all of Tolkien's writing said to be a shieldmaiden and not a single other one even implied to exist beyond the fact that the term exists in their language. Additionally, that shieldmaiden was only called a shieldmaiden by herself - it is a self-given title like an ancient mesopotamian king saying he rules the whole universe. Eowyn is a shieldmaiden in the same way I have a a foot long third leg. I say so, and no one has yet contradicted me, and you are doing the equivalent of taking that to mean it is common for males of my ethnicity to have that, too.
@darkhighwayman1757
@darkhighwayman1757 2 месяца назад
@@unitron2005 she was so unimportant to the story, he didn't give her a name. And Hera doesn't feel like a name for a lady of the Rhohirrim.
@marissashantez6051
@marissashantez6051 Месяц назад
@@finrodfel06 Nope. Shield maidens were NOT warriors. Eowyn had to dress up like a dude to be allowed to fight, where all the male heirs of kings went to war.
@oteris2924
@oteris2924 2 месяца назад
The biggest red flag that they have no idea(nor care) about Tolkien and his works is that they named a character after a Hellenistic God. In LotR, where the whole thing is based off Anglo Saxon mythology. Out of all the Hollywood bullshit, I think this would actually piss him off.
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj 2 месяца назад
They would have been sued into oblivion if Tolkien was still alive. His grandson didn't earned his legacy. Thus is wasting it.
@theredjoker8857
@theredjoker8857 2 месяца назад
To be fair, héra is actually an anglo-saxon word an means "obedient", it could also be derived from the word hére and means "majestic".
@walkir2662
@walkir2662 2 месяца назад
@@theredjoker8857 So hera is the worst thing to call her... doesn't fit her character, doesn't fit what they want - or can tolerate - to be her character (seeing how she got none in the appendix, that's the same anyway - although teh fact that'S al lwe get of her means she wasn't an effective pain in the ass to Helm at least)
@mazuzun
@mazuzun 2 месяца назад
I can guarantee you they gave that name because it sounds like "Her". They didn't even delve deeper into the etymology no matter which way you cut it.
@OzzyMcFinn
@OzzyMcFinn 2 месяца назад
I don't think there's ANYTHING about this piece that the professor WOULDN'T have loathed with a passion.
@joyis9638
@joyis9638 2 месяца назад
Seeing Hera climb an ice wall using knives .... Seeing Guy-Ladriel having done the same ... >Cannot be a coincidence ..
@daurydavis3983
@daurydavis3983 Месяц назад
Poor misogynist
@Spamkromite
@Spamkromite 2 месяца назад
Imagine someone going over the Mona Lisa saying "I'm going to paint everything that Leonardo has overlooked to do". The levels of conceit of these script-chippers is boundless.
@user-zq6sz2cr6g
@user-zq6sz2cr6g 2 месяца назад
I've just imagined that as somebody rolling up his sleeves and taking the cap off a Sharpie as they cross the exhibition room in Le Louvre 😂
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 2 месяца назад
​@@user-zq6sz2cr6gpaint markers man...would def be neon paint markera
@Blodhelm
@Blodhelm 2 месяца назад
And then they just draw a mustache and give her big muscle arms and explain that she's trans now, please applause.
@Xegethra
@Xegethra 2 месяца назад
You'd get a Mr Bean situation.
@Mobius118
@Mobius118 2 месяца назад
Geez, that’s a great way of putting it
@TordenFaaret
@TordenFaaret 2 месяца назад
"we will depict things tolkien might have overlooked" meanwhile tolkien: this is a hobbit. here's every aspect of their lives from their physical traits to the structure of their society, the amount and types of food they eat, the vast history that led up to this point, and the names of their ancestors in case you were or weren't wondering... this is a tree.
@GeordieSwordsman
@GeordieSwordsman 2 месяца назад
"Also here's how the lunar cycle works. Now I can be sure sure my descriptions of the moon are consistent between Frodo and Aragorn chapters relative to when they take place."
@aurex8937
@aurex8937 2 месяца назад
Professor Tolkien: "Yes, Helm Hammerhand had a daughter, I guess." Morons: "Ah yes, Hera, our typical pre-Eowyn female rohirrim warrior!" Professor Tolkien's Grave: 🛼
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 15 дней назад
Tolkien’s grave: At least she isn’t black and generic CGI…
@annatardlordofderps9181
@annatardlordofderps9181 2 месяца назад
"The War of the Rohirrim trailer starter really well." _The beginning of the War of the Rohirrim trailer being simple memberberries of the LotR movie trilogy_
@NoPantsBaby
@NoPantsBaby 2 месяца назад
therefore starting really well.
@PerkulatorBenny
@PerkulatorBenny 2 месяца назад
Don't forget Helm Hammerhand putting a man down with a single fist to the jaw. That was actually a pretty good scene.
@reek4062
@reek4062 2 месяца назад
The first 30 seconds of the trailer were the most embarrassing things I have ever seen.
@user-zq6sz2cr6g
@user-zq6sz2cr6g 2 месяца назад
They have the nerve to suggest that Tolkien overlooked things in his own creation 😮. Maybe this has been a comedy all along and we just don't grasp the joke?
@reek4062
@reek4062 2 месяца назад
You don’t know yet? Jackson, Walsh and Boyens also butchered LotR, because they thought they could do better.
@RyanRoberts-qf5et
@RyanRoberts-qf5et 2 месяца назад
Damn, i didnt know lotr fans were retarded ​@@reek4062
@christopher_ecclestone
@christopher_ecclestone 2 месяца назад
🤡🌎
@glcsander
@glcsander 2 месяца назад
How the fuck the guy who in the first 100 pages of Simalrilion named everything and everyone in existence in the universe, even characters that didn't do jack shit and died immediately would forget to mention something a character did? I honestly had hope seing who they brought into the project but after reading this articles it shows that they didn't learn a thing, Warner and Amazon are fighting for who is going to piss the fans more while trying to get rights to the movies, they can all fuck off.
@koreancowboy42
@koreancowboy42 Месяц назад
​@@reek4062 except Jackson did do better, 😂😂 rings of power is garbage and now even this anime
@jacksonrogers8393
@jacksonrogers8393 Месяц назад
30yr old here. They’ve unalived LOTR, Star Wars, Disney, Marvel, the NBA, and video games…. Please stop taking everything I grew up on:( They’re scorch earthing my childhood:(((
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 15 дней назад
They’re trying to re-alive Marvel at least.
@andrewlowden322
@andrewlowden322 2 месяца назад
And thus Ewoyn's storyline is reduced to mimic, afterall HERA did it first and better!
@1shogunate696
@1shogunate696 2 месяца назад
Yup, if hera plays a huge part in winning the war, Eowyn disguising herself to fight in the battle of Gondor makes less sense.
@FevielynGacita-yv5hc
@FevielynGacita-yv5hc 2 месяца назад
Only if you accept it as canon.. which is something i refuse to ever do. I'd rather go back and watch the movies a million times that waste my money on this garbage once.
@mr.sinjin-smyth
@mr.sinjin-smyth 2 месяца назад
This "Hera" is being modeled after a certain Nausicaa...
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
You mean Éowyn, the one who disguised herself as a man, killed a fellbeast and the Witch king of Angmar is second to some no-name princess that at best won an skirmish against a band of marauding hillbilies?
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman 2 месяца назад
@@Niohoggr1973 Yeah that Éowyn went and gave up on GIRLBOSSIN' after that battle traumatised her and she married Faramir and became a healer and housewife! Ugh, what a chud!
@user-je3sk8cj6g
@user-je3sk8cj6g 2 месяца назад
The gal on these narcissists to think they are apt to improve Tolkien's work. But Tolkien himself answered all of this. "Evil cannot create anything, it can only corrupt that which is good"
@shoulderpyro
@shoulderpyro 2 месяца назад
While you have a point The actual quote you'd be looking for is " The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.” The one you got there is fancy and all but is not only out of context, its also something he never said
@Asturian-vm3sk
@Asturian-vm3sk 2 месяца назад
​@@shoulderpyro. Point still stands, these modern talentless writers can't create nothing original only poison and ruin that which is good.
@shoulderpyro
@shoulderpyro 2 месяца назад
@@Asturian-vm3sk Aye that it does. Though in using that quote ironically enough those that use it do the exact thing the quote says. They cant create their own stuff, only corrupt things to twist them to their need (x
@thomasbrown4626
@thomasbrown4626 2 месяца назад
Funny thing is that no one would care if they simply expanded the characters story and maybe even a bit of her role, so long as it didn't contradict the existing lore and source material. The issue lies behind the fact that she is suddenly the main character, the driving force behind the events. This is completely changing the story. That is what people take issue with. And at that point it doesn't matter how unknown or undeveloped the characters or time period of the world is. When you change, recontextualize, or otherwise alter what was in the original works, you have screwed up. Badly. And you deserve to be called out and given shit for it.
@mythmurzin
@mythmurzin 2 месяца назад
just a reminder: at the end of the 1st age, galadriel marries celembor the elf forest lord, and has a daughter, and spends the entirety of the 2nd age raising her daughter and helping celembor build up his forest realm. all the action galadriel does in rings of power season 1, is actually achievements of elrond. i remember the social media meme was about how galadriels story sounds like a man's story, because it was.
@danielliu22
@danielliu22 2 месяца назад
Pretty sure they married in the early part of the 1st age, shortly after the coming of the Noldor
@carolreaume6518
@carolreaume6518 2 месяца назад
His name is Celeborn. Celebrimbor was a jeweler and lived on the other side of the mountains.
@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss
@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss 2 месяца назад
Just a reminder. Tolkien fans are the most toxic fandom on the planet.
@lightborn9071
@lightborn9071 Месяц назад
There are a lot of simps that wanna see Galadriel as some sort of overlord mary sue, even WAY before rings of power.
@bobbyavitia
@bobbyavitia 2 месяца назад
A real shame that whatever family Tolkien has left lets this happen to his legacy.
@reek4062
@reek4062 2 месяца назад
Unfortunately Christopher wasn’t able to stop the awful Jackson films
@GeraltofRivia22
@GeraltofRivia22 2 месяца назад
It's so ironic, considering Tolkien was contemplating a follow up to Lord of the Rings where Gondor started declining again under Aragorn's grandson.
@J_S0711
@J_S0711 2 месяца назад
@@reek4062 I’m going to say you’re trolling with this comment, kudos to you. No way you’re that big of a moron.
@MR_THINQ
@MR_THINQ 2 месяца назад
Yep, his living descendants don’t care or give a shit about his legacy. All they care about is fleecing it for all the money.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
Tolkien did an wonderful job revitalizing the anglo-saxon/celtic roots of english literature, and now we only have these sad excuses of shows and movies with derivative plot lines and weak art directions as heirs of his works *cof* rings of power *cof*
@Andrea_Gabrielli
@Andrea_Gabrielli 2 месяца назад
Yes, the man that wrote the original damn thing, and put so much detail into pretty much every facet of the world building, overlooked something . . . even though he was brainstorming ideas for this story back when he was serving in the Great War, and lived to be 81.
@suburbanbanshee
@suburbanbanshee 2 месяца назад
Héra is a masculine noun that means "a male follower, a male servant" in Old English. I just want to make sure everyone knows this, because I am pretty sure that Boyens never bothered to find out.
@DEATH-THE-GOAT
@DEATH-THE-GOAT 2 месяца назад
🎯😃👍
@matthewacker7796
@matthewacker7796 2 месяца назад
So... now we're making up the snow we're pissing in? So tired... so fucking tired...
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
Doing this went so well for Rangs of Powa, they want to follow in their footsteps
@erice3933
@erice3933 2 месяца назад
GIRL BOSS!!! YASSS! SLAY! I wonder how many appendices they read until they found a girl, with very little written about her, so they could use that as the jumping off point for another Mary Sue show. They obviously have zero respect for the source material so you know it's going to be awful.
@funkydiscogod
@funkydiscogod 2 месяца назад
I'm betting at some point, the villain will tell her she'll never be remembered by history.
@Michellex1
@Michellex1 2 месяца назад
Yes, Phillipa that worked so well for you in the Hobbit, adding a love interest. Everyone LOVED that.
@malzo1701
@malzo1701 2 месяца назад
This was literally the only thing I had hoped they wouldn't mess up. I should have know better
@reek4062
@reek4062 2 месяца назад
Boyens is writing and producing it. What did you expect?
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 2 месяца назад
The "I am no man" statement was a one of Tolkien's jokes using the English language, like when he has Gandalf tell Bilbo to define "good morning".
@suburbanbanshee
@suburbanbanshee 2 месяца назад
Specifically feminine endings for Saxon names are stuff like -thryth, -is or -dis, -gifu, -waru, --leofu, -burh, -wyn/-wen, -flaed, -swith, -gyth, and so on. Also -hild is pretty common. We have documented Saxon women named Heregyth and Hereswith. No He'ra, of course. It sounds like heorra, hinge or bar, which is a masculine noun but might have worked as a girlboss name, but they didn't do that. Old English he'ra means "servant" or "follower." Specifically a male one. Heo're or hy're would be plausible; it means "pleasant, gentle." Heorte, heart, would have been kinda bold/cringe, but Herta was a historical name, so it's not impossible. Heorde means guard, protection, and that would go better with a girlboss theme. Honestly, Heah (high, tall) would have been a decent name to go with Helm, Hama, and Haleth. It would be an unusual woman's name, but not impossible. If you're not going historical, I would pick Heorde, Hyre, or Heorte. They all sound almost exactly like He'ra, so you wouldn't even have to tell anybody but the subtitler. But no, they couldn't spend an hour with Bosworth-Toller online.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
Hera is a feminization of the word hero used by modern feminist autors. Is a modern english word with no connection to the anglo-saxon that inspired rohirrim culture.
@quigonkenny
@quigonkenny 2 месяца назад
This is exactly how I felt as a I watched the trailer... Trailer starts: "Oh, cool, this looks pretty good." Girlboss appears: "Aw, shit. Here we go again..."
@kfdjkdjjdjfjdjfjdjfj
@kfdjkdjjdjfjdjfjdjfj 2 месяца назад
They had the example of Rings of Power, of how not to do things and they ruined it again, we as fans should stop going to the movies, and let them feel our love for Tolkien, for his true stories, great video mate.
@wedgeantilles8575
@wedgeantilles8575 2 месяца назад
Another user in another thread summed it up perfectly: Every movie princess: "I can totally be a leader you guyz!" Also every movie princess: "I refuse to do even the minimum amount of duty and self sacrifice by marriing a prince and thus preventing wars because things being 100% convieniant for me 100% of the time is more important than the lives of my 10 million subjects! But you can be sure I'll never complain that I get to live in a castle, have 100 dresses, good food, shelter, and every luxury of my time. Me Me MEEEEEEEE"
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave
@IndenturedYoutubeSlave 2 месяца назад
skip the woke Hollywood trailer and go watch the original Japanese trailer.
@fortcastellan1730
@fortcastellan1730 2 месяца назад
And that is why Eowyn is the best princess out there: she actually does everything expected of a princess! She attends to the kings and guests at court, she leads the civilians in times of duress, and most of all, she understands just how perilous the outside world truly is....And when she wants more, she does so fully understanding the price it comes with, and actually has to pay that price!
@NightsmokeFTB
@NightsmokeFTB 2 месяца назад
I'm pretty sure that's the attitude of the French and Russian royal families before their respective revolutions.
@wardkerr2456
@wardkerr2456 2 месяца назад
The Philippa Boyens' interview from half a year ago made it perfectly clear that this was Boyens' idea in a Tolkien skin suit.
@kirschakos
@kirschakos 2 месяца назад
She should know better though :S
@bz6046
@bz6046 2 месяца назад
@@kirschakos She doesn't care about Tolkien and his work it's obvious and just plain sad.
@GeneralProfessor
@GeneralProfessor 2 месяца назад
As much as I love Jackson's trilogy, the first major red flag was Eomer telling Eowyn: "War is the province of men". A line which, in the book, is brought up by Eowyn herself as her last desperate strawman attempt to stop Aragorn from going through the Paths of the Dead.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
@@kirschakos but she does not. And since Peter Jackson is now making the movies about Gollum, I suspect he does not either
@ufeelinselfrighteous8470
@ufeelinselfrighteous8470 2 месяца назад
its a waman Girl Boss... they steal the work of great men, and pretend its theors
@seanpollard5809
@seanpollard5809 2 месяца назад
I can't wait to hear them ask, "why can't Beowulf be Mexican?" In all fairness, the conspiracy of why Beowulf isn't Mexican would probably be more entertaining than Beowulf.
@Michael33666
@Michael33666 2 месяца назад
'Hera had a tempest in her. No one in middle-earth had seen what she had seen' - JRR Tolkien
@Antoward
@Antoward 2 месяца назад
Another Mary sue “that’s the best ever”how many times has this formula failed miserably while also destroying a beloved i.p
@arknabul2760
@arknabul2760 2 месяца назад
Not enough, not enough... Brick by brick all must fall and that is all they want.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
she is also the key to everything, let's not forget that
@Asturian-vm3sk
@Asturian-vm3sk 2 месяца назад
That's Sweet Baby incs goal, to demoralize us on behalf of their Chinese overlords.
@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881
@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 2 месяца назад
​@@arknabul2760I'm thankful I enjoy the obscure and forgotten western ips
@Vincent-nl4wc
@Vincent-nl4wc 2 месяца назад
I think he also overlooked the story of the horses, they also gave their life at wars, poor horses they deserve their backstory.
@cjv-x10a4
@cjv-x10a4 2 месяца назад
Remember kids, "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment".😒
@Ainomato
@Ainomato 2 месяца назад
The wise words of a brother librarian
@istvanbrooks5319
@istvanbrooks5319 2 месяца назад
That's just a bad worldview
@justarandomdude551
@justarandomdude551 2 месяца назад
@@istvanbrooks5319 Not when it keeps being proven to be correct, especially when it comes to Hollywood.
@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954
@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 2 месяца назад
@@istvanbrooks5319 It is a quote drawn from the explicitly grimdark, dystopian Warhammer 40K fictional world, so it makes sense in context.
@beksc9209
@beksc9209 2 месяца назад
> What are we holding onto, Sam?" > Hope that there's some good left in this world, Mr. Frodo." Don't give up hope, ever, for then the Enemy has truly won!
@Adelina-293
@Adelina-293 2 месяца назад
Promoting a character who barely did anything to protagonist instead of Helm Hammerhand, the actual protagonist. It's a bold strategy cotton, I don't think it'll end well.
@funkydiscogod
@funkydiscogod 2 месяца назад
I'm calling it right now: at some point the villain will tell her "history won't even remember your name."
@vinn418dood
@vinn418dood 2 месяца назад
@@funkydiscogodyou give the writers too much credit. I don't believe they could even think of such an obvious cliche.
@DMAN99
@DMAN99 2 месяца назад
@@funkydiscogodooh, that’s good. Put me down for “She accomplishes things that are attributed to male characters in the book” and it’s presented as either her doing a The Boss from MG3 style sacrifice or her tales are attributed to the men because of the patriarchal society.
@christophervigil4961
@christophervigil4961 2 месяца назад
Hot Take: there are only three Lord of the Rings movies
@overkilled653
@overkilled653 2 месяца назад
One sentence. An entire film surrounding the adventures and heroics of a character that wasn’t important enough to name…and was detailed in only ONE SENTENCE.
@Rekaert
@Rekaert 2 месяца назад
It's interesting to consider, instead of using the characters Tolkien wrote, the makers of this story essentially invented a character to be the main PoV character. Sure, Helm had a daughter, but Tolkien didn't name her, or indicate that she took part in Helm's story at all. So given the option to follow Helm, Hama, Hameth, Frealaf or Wulf, who are all named and important characters with important actions and involvements with the story, they decided to invent a girl-boss be the main focus. It's not often you see that level of hubris to be honest.
@aBerlin1945
@aBerlin1945 2 месяца назад
Sheer fookin hubris
@justinbowers2749
@justinbowers2749 2 месяца назад
Pride comes beginning a fall…..still waiting on that last part
@CruelestChris
@CruelestChris 2 месяца назад
It's like if you had a story of a war Rome was involved in and they named some random country as a place one particular General came from, and someone later "fleshes out" this country's involvement by making it so Rome was just kind of there and it did everything and was also inspiring and stunning and brave and had lots of Representation oh oh and maybe some lantinxes...
@fancyelk2373
@fancyelk2373 2 месяца назад
It’s a very good point that she isn’t named. In a fantasy setting, if you do great deeds, your name will be mentioned. If you’ve done nothing of note, they don’t mention you.
@zaxx
@zaxx 2 месяца назад
Phoebe Gittens is Phillipa Boyens daughter. That's why she was in the movies & got this job.
@suburbanbanshee
@suburbanbanshee 2 месяца назад
A literal nepo baby.
@zaxx
@zaxx 2 месяца назад
@@suburbanbanshee Looks that way. Of course it's about the daughter....mother and daughter wrote it, instead of Tolkien
@Yolanda8419
@Yolanda8419 2 месяца назад
The moment I saw this, I groaned. My husband asked me why. I told him to watch it again carefully with sound, because we were at the beach at the time. We watched it again at home and he turned to me and said he had no hope. He then asked what do you and Gary say.
@thedealmama3070
@thedealmama3070 2 месяца назад
same, my husband had only seen the first half… but also he knows what hollywood is like these days so he just said “girlboss again?”
@shadows-xn3ed
@shadows-xn3ed 2 месяца назад
I literally just assume everything new is trash and rather just watch a recap. If the recap is compelling I’ll then come back and actually give it my money.
@yevonsama
@yevonsama 19 дней назад
What can we hope for? We are living in the era where storywriters don't have any way to describe a "strong character" excluding "he/she is a good fighter.". Frodo, a man who can endure the Ring's corruption for many years? It is so difficult for them to write characters like him. My. We need a Denis Villeneuve of LOTR.
@Prilliyo
@Prilliyo 2 месяца назад
Somehow a Mary Sue just takes over Helm Hammerhands story
@Tryptic214
@Tryptic214 2 месяца назад
"She can even talk to great eagles" But canonically the elder great eagles can speak the common tongue? Anyone can talk to them, that's how they're allies with other races.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
It's more of a "she can girlboss the eagles into doing what she needs them to do", I think
@munkyman33
@munkyman33 2 месяца назад
Or he she can do a legit eagle scream at will. What a girlboss!
@lotsofspots
@lotsofspots 2 месяца назад
Yup, they talk to Bilbo in The Hobbit.
@lindildeev5721
@lindildeev5721 2 месяца назад
Tauriel was and still is easier to accept than all these SFC. She may come out of nowhere and exist only for giving us a completely useless romantic subplot but she was believable: she had weaknesses, she was a little bit arrogant sometimes, she can't take down a gigantic orc on her own. Also, she allowed Howard Shore to compose one of the most beautiful love themes all times.
@RelivingHistory1
@RelivingHistory1 2 месяца назад
Also...naming her Hera, the name of a greek goddess for a Rohirrim princess makes zero philological sense, something that Tolkien cared deeply about. The Rohirrim represent Anglo-Saxons, "Tolkien grounded Rohan in elements inspired by Anglo-Saxon tradition, poetry, and linguistics, specifically in its Mercian dialect, in everything but its use of horses. Tolkien used Old English for the kingdom's language and names, pretending that this was in translation of Rohirric."
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 2 месяца назад
they probaly chose that because it's HERa aka there is a her in the name. That's the IQ at play in these projects
@GeneralProfessor
@GeneralProfessor 2 месяца назад
@@marcogenovesi8570 Wouldn't surprise me. Similar "IQ" was at play when the Witcher show was designing Nilfgaard's armour.
@Blodhelm
@Blodhelm 2 месяца назад
Feels like they just lifted the name from the character in Rebels and Ahsoka, because they probably couldn't be bothered to read a book about ancient Greeks but Disney trash ruining a franchise is right up their alley, even if she was one of the better characters.
@marychocolatefairy
@marychocolatefairy 2 месяца назад
They say that they named her after the Icelandic actress Hera Hilmar, who was in the Mortal Engines film that was written by the LOTR screenwriting team. They stuck an accent on the e to make it seem Old English. That...really does not seem like something Tolkien would have done.
@maxhell4033
@maxhell4033 2 месяца назад
They only chose that name because it sounded good, nothing more.
@SockieTheSockPuppet
@SockieTheSockPuppet 2 месяца назад
Ironically, I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if it hadn't been tied to LOTR.
@Jezza_One
@Jezza_One 2 месяца назад
They could have reimagined Beowulf and made him a woman.
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 2 месяца назад
May have been entertaining tbh​@@Jezza_One
@Blodhelm
@Blodhelm 2 месяца назад
@@Jezza_One Don't give them ideas, they ruin that too.
@robertellis6853
@robertellis6853 2 месяца назад
They don't have the faith in their own ability tell a story that people will check out unless it's tied to an existing world that has a fan base.
@inhthihoanglinh6858
@inhthihoanglinh6858 2 месяца назад
If it's not tied to LotR none of us would even know it exists. That's the problem, they use LotR IP to draw us to watch whatever shit they want.
@ayotundeayoko5861
@ayotundeayoko5861 2 месяца назад
wait..A tribe of all female warriors???? in a Tolkien story ? are these people mad?
@Zaharath7
@Zaharath7 2 месяца назад
Very special children repainting Mona Lisa with crayons.
@yeabunny7146
@yeabunny7146 2 месяца назад
It's so ironic that Hollywood can only judge a worth of a woman by her masculine traits
@harrygarris6921
@harrygarris6921 2 месяца назад
Well they hate femininity, and masculinity is the only other option. What else are they going to judge the worth of a women by?
@missAlice1990
@missAlice1990 2 месяца назад
Internalised misogyny. Instead of appreciating femininity, they despise it while still worshipping masculinity. And since they despise their own womanhood, they try to get rid of that self-hatred and prove (to themselves, above all) that women are worth something by "elevating" them to masculine roles while "degrading" men to feminine roles. That's the mindset.
@dtkedtyjrtyj
@dtkedtyjrtyj 2 месяца назад
I'm looking forwards to the next Max Max movie, where the entire focus is on that female extra in the background of that scene... you know the one, she was so interesting as she was there. All three frames. Definitely deserves a movie of her own. Called "Mad Max: He returns", because then you have done the difficult part in the title, and you don't actually have to do it in the actual film.
@grandmufftwerkin9037
@grandmufftwerkin9037 2 месяца назад
What we know so far from the source material: She washes herself with a rag on a stick.
@blacksheep9505
@blacksheep9505 2 месяца назад
Stunning and brave wielding a rag on a stick!
@Blodhelm
@Blodhelm 2 месяца назад
The real rag and stick was inside her all along, she just needed to believe in herself.
@mkeogh76
@mkeogh76 2 месяца назад
"When I grow-up, I'm going to be a lardo on workman's comp just like dad."
@clockworkcrazy5121
@clockworkcrazy5121 2 месяца назад
Don't forget her reaching broom.
@serberus5233
@serberus5233 2 месяца назад
get mama's pryin' bar
@grandmufftwerkin9037
@grandmufftwerkin9037 2 месяца назад
I'm still in disbelief that they're portraying a ginger that hasn't been race swaped. 😱
@annatardlordofderps9181
@annatardlordofderps9181 2 месяца назад
Missed chance to crowbar in some diversity.
@EnsignRedshirtRicky
@EnsignRedshirtRicky 2 месяца назад
Chances are she will shave half her head and have a wife by the end of this.
@echoechoecho7142
@echoechoecho7142 2 месяца назад
War of the Ro-HER-im Starring girl boss queen and slayer of the realms HER-a.
@seanbazaar
@seanbazaar 2 месяца назад
Red power!!!
@oddbod4442
@oddbod4442 2 месяца назад
The word you're looking for is 'anagrammed'
@Barwasser
@Barwasser 2 месяца назад
Please don't ruin Éowyn before she was even born. She is one of the best characters in fiction. Can this studio resist their urge to steal all of her positive traits and achievements and give it to this new "strong female character" without having her earn it? I think we all know the answer.
@AkuTenshiiZero
@AkuTenshiiZero 2 месяца назад
The king's name is HELM HAMMERHAND. You might as well call him "Chad Megacock." They could just have made an anime where he punches dudes' faces inside out for 10 hours and it would have been the most entertaining thing released all year.
@DH-xw6jp
@DH-xw6jp 2 месяца назад
Chad Megacock was Helm's long lost brother who was believed dead after valiantly driving back an orcish horde... He is survived by 4 wives and his 37 children. But somehow, _he lived!_
@robbomegavlkafenryka6158
@robbomegavlkafenryka6158 2 месяца назад
Who would have guessed they’d look at King Helm, the Hammerhand, Snow Troll of Hornburg, King of the Rohirrim and just go “nah”.
@el-cee
@el-cee 2 месяца назад
Quoting the article: "Tolkien's books were woefully short on prominent female characters, with a select few including Eowyn from Rohan and the elf Galadriel." This just shows us, how much the author knows about the works of Tolkien, which is maybe that they watched the Lord of the Rings movies, i highly doubt they ever touched any of his books.
@AS-fu1kd
@AS-fu1kd 2 месяца назад
Why can Hollywood not accept that everyone is dead sick of generic girlbosses?
@EthanWillingham
@EthanWillingham 2 месяца назад
They are pushing an agenda.
@TheSeth256
@TheSeth256 2 месяца назад
Because they don't write for the audience's enjoyment, they write for themselves, and they're not tired of it.
@kaykutcher2103
@kaykutcher2103 Месяц назад
Admitting you were wrong requires maturity and something about the whine in the air tells me there's a lack of it over there.
@markgregorygacosta531
@markgregorygacosta531 2 месяца назад
It's Tauriel all over again, but this time it's worse because there's a possibility that they'll retcon Frealaf's role, the true successor to Helm and the one who defeated Wulf. They might give it all to Hera.
@Clearlyclynn
@Clearlyclynn 2 месяца назад
I liked Tauriel, she was strong but not girl boss and we see her vulnerability. And Arwen has been overlooked. She was pretty badass too.
@markgregorygacosta531
@markgregorygacosta531 2 месяца назад
​@@Clearlyclynnyeah I like Tauriel too. She's not 100 girl boss although an original character by PJ.
@mikavirtanen7029
@mikavirtanen7029 2 месяца назад
@@Clearlyclynn Yeah, Tauriel wasn't all-conquering GB. She actually had personality and while good at fights she got her ass handed to her by number 2 orc pretty fast....Evangeline Lilly was also gorgeous in the role.
@codyorion590
@codyorion590 2 месяца назад
That was back when there was a bit of nuance with 'girl boss' which people do like to see when its done well.
@Niohoggr1973
@Niohoggr1973 2 месяца назад
@@Clearlyclynn bro wtf, the point of knife ears and stunties hating eachothers guts was the poin of gimli and legolas bromance, peter jackson stole that bit and gave it to tauriel, just like he deleted glorfindel from rivendel to give arwen something to do besides looking sad. you cant just delete good characters to make your OC less irrelevant
@obnoxiousjumper279
@obnoxiousjumper279 2 месяца назад
strong female character? how refreshing I never saw that
@dillonklasse4980
@dillonklasse4980 2 месяца назад
The last thing I wanted to see was a Netflix, girl boss, anime spinoff of the lord of the rings. Honestly I never thought anyone would be stupid enough to do something like this
@AS-fu1kd
@AS-fu1kd 2 месяца назад
It's the last thing anyone wanted to see. I'll never understand why they keep doing this.
@thomaslardinois6383
@thomaslardinois6383 2 месяца назад
I was so hyped watching this trailer. Then... I think it was that shot at 1:43 with the tall white boots and the short tunic that I first realized, "oh no, this is just an LOTR skinsuit."
@ArcticSeraph
@ArcticSeraph Месяц назад
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien
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