@@chaoticignorant483 Yeah! And also add Goldfinger to your comment. To be honest, due to my age I might have missed some bands during the last 10-20 years, but common, there are some all time classics like Goldfinger and NOFX to be mentioned! Uh, and even if I don't know if "Rise Against" belongs to the pop-punk genre, I personally would put them in there. Compared to some bands they listed, they defintely do also pop-punk!
The reason rich people can’t be taken seriously in music is because rich people always define their taste as opposed to popular or “low brow” taste. When sugar was rare wealthy people loved super sweet cocktails, now that sugar is everywhere, those kind of drinks are trashy, and sophisticated drinks are bitter and “complex”. The same thing happens with any art form or any form of consumption.
Of course. Same with tobacco, coffee, tea, cocoa, spices. The opposite is true as well though, jazz, blues, rock n roll, etc etc was low class until it was so successful that the "higher ups" decided it was good.
Not having Smash on this list is shocking. Best selling independent album of all time, and a cornerstone of what was at the time a rapidly evolving genre.
I think the bigger snub is Rancid. They kinda fall in that same gray area but I'd say an album like And Out Come The Wolves is more pop punk than anything from the Descendents
@@fuzzmosisr8601 as a a huge rancid fan I respectfully can’t agree. There’s a certain sound a associate with pop punk and rancid just doesn’t sound like pop punk.
The Ataris- Blue skies broken hearts, Face to Face- Don't turn away, Fenix TX- self titled, Gold Finger- self titled, Limp- Pop and disorderly,.... so many were missed. Who ever came up with this list wasn't around when it was happening.
This list was definitely put together by a predominantly indie hipster fan but had a short-lived pop-punk phase as a kid so "knows what he's talking about", that sneaky midtown addition had me howling 😭😂
@@KitHavok I still listen to Midtown, they have a ton of talent and wrote some absolute bangers! Come on, direction, so long as we keep our bodies numb we're safe! So many good songs!
For me always the holy trinity of pop punk (and NOT even my favorite pop punk bands and albums of this bands) is going to be. 1. Enema of The State. personal fav TOYPAJ 2. Dookie. personal fav Insomniac 3. All Killer No Filler personal fav. Does This Look Infected.
@digital dirtbag I disagree. I think Dookie is a perfect example of Pop Punk. I actually think American Idiot is a weird inclusion, to me it sounds more like generic Alternative Rock than Pop Punk
@digital dirtbag I mostly agree with you. I do think Green Day is a pop punk band when you look at their entire discography, but Dookie to me feels like a straight up punk album that happens to be adjacent to the pop punk that was coming out at the time.
@digital dirtbag yeah I see your point. To me American Idiot only has a couple songs (title track being one) that I’d call Pop Punk. It has ballads, more strait forwards alternative stuff, etc. It’s a rock opera too. Doesn’t seem Pop Punk to me. Kinda like how they included Milo Goes to College. Not Pop Punk either
One thing I noticed about this list is that they clumped eras of pop punk together. A lot of 90s skate punk in the beginning. 2010s sad boi in the middle.
I wonder, Finn, would you do a video where you pick your top 5 of these? Or even a tier list where you place the albums in the list? Video ideas! (I'd watch that)
First album I bought was “Enema of the state.” I was in fifth grade and we had to bring a song to play for music class. I wasn’t allowed to play blink but my friend somehow was able to play “girls girls girls” by Motley Crue.🤷🏼♂️
It seems to me that Zebrahead should have made that list, I'd probably go with the Phoenix album. One of relatively few pop punk bands that I can still listen to with any regularity. The problem with most pop punk is that it sounds great for about two weeks and then loses its apeal, Zebrahead always had more staying power for me. Rufio is the sound of kids trying to play at the absolute top of their skill level, I dig that even though the results are a bit rough.
Agreed about the “randomness.” My knowledge of punk/pop-punk is limited, but it feels like someone in the office said “hey we need the Descendants on this list - who knows a Descendants album?” and voila, Everything Sucks is on the list.
What I don’t understand is how in the world are you going to make a whole list of 50 pop punk albums and not at least once or twice list the Offspring. I just can’t wrap that around my head.
Motion City Soundtrack is definitely pop punk (the crossover between alt rock/pop punk/emo is very significant), also one of my all-time favorite albums. I love Loudwire, but trash list though, your reactions were good.
"When did Midtown become this band that everybody loved?" For me, it was the absolute single second I put "Save the world, lose the girl" in my car CD player. INSTANTLY fell in love. Midtown used to be one of my favorite bands. They still hold a very dear place in my heart.
For me, I looooved their final album, but all the earlier stuff just didn’t do it for me. It felt too amateur in my opinion, and not in the most endearing way.
@@oops6876 That's fair. Ironically, for most of the people I knew who listened to them, the final album was the only one we didn't really care for. Most of us went back in the last ten years to give it another listen and we all changed our minds. It's funny how that works out.
Honestly thought Rufio was always underrated, who else in that pop-punk scene even sounded close to that? To me they’re super original but maybe it’s love it or hate it
@@paulstoller6753 Right? That album was great...I'd put the drummer up there with travis tbh, the drummer is super creative for that entire genre - once again under-rated
Agreed. The emo/indie stuff is great, it just doesn’t fit the list. My takes... Relient K’s Mmhmm not being on the list is a big miss The Dangerous Summer’s “Reach For The Sun” would have been a nice addition The Starting Line’s “SILYMI” is a fantastic album, yes but “Based on a True Story” could have made it as well Same is true for NFG’s “Catalyst” A Sugarcult album would have been cool We all agree TOYPAJ is way too low
Totally with you on Mmmhmm. Having only come back to pop punk a couple of years ago at 36 years old after probably not listening since the late 00s - I stuck on Mmhmm and it mostly stands the test of time, better songs and musicianship than a lot of stuff on this list.
I know you're not a fan, but to me Pennybridge Pioneers is one of the most perfect pop punk albums of all time, behind Enema, All Killer and Americana. It's definitely not my favourite Millencolin album, but objectively it's a bit of a pop-punk masterpiece
@@karmajarrule Life on a Plate and Same Old Tunes are my favourite two, but I'd classify them more in the skate-punk genre than pop-punk like Pennybridge and the few after
It’s interesting seeing bands like State Champs, Knuckle Puck, and The Story So Far listed. Not because they don’t deserve it, but because when I started listening to State Champs in 2013, they were just a small band with one album that happened to come through my college town as an opening act to another band. To think that the album I had on repeat in my car in college from this unknown band would end up in discussion of “greatest pop punk albums of all time” around a decade later is just a weird feeling. I guess the next stop is showing up as the backing track to a car commercial.
I heard Secrets being played at an nhl game I went to a few months back and it hit me on how much they’ve grown to the point that they’re being played in a big stadium now.
@@Kikan319 I guess relative to where they've ended up. Obviously they were known by some, but that doesn't mean they were popular on a larger scale. They only had like a thousand twitter followers, and I don't think they had a website, a merch store, or a Wikipedia entry for that matter. I think after The Finer Things released in 2013 they started gaining traction (that's when I found out about them), but didn't really start rolling until 2014-2015.
Nostalgia hit me hard looking at a lot of these album covers again. Not a bad list but I can't fathom a lot of these placements.. I had a friend from 15-20 years ago and we mostly related through our love of AFI (pre-December UG) but his 'other' favorite band was Alkaline Trio. He had a girlfriend who loved punk and horror punk but she wouldn't let him watch Alkaline Trio at warped tour because they had upside crosses. She was religious, I guess, but that was always strange to me. I guess I should reassess that relationship nearly 2 decades later. Maybe he should have kept that one despite the blasphemy of having to miss your favorite band when you're at the venue. One thing I'll say about Milo goes to College is it was highly influential for what would become pop-punk and even some emo aspects. But it was such a mix that you can't really call it either. Melodic hardcore, maybe? I agree with #1 and #2, but after that list, I think they were trying to play it safe at the end. Even if they were the only honest answers.
I agree with a lot of your input here Finn. A few albums don’t need to be on this list. I always enjoy your videos and your ‘All Killer, No Filler’ approach.
can you do a video commenting on Rolling Stone’s “Greatest Voices of All Time” ? there are some rock and metal vocalists in there and would love to hear your input on this list.
I ADORE Alkaline Trio So Much And Have Done Since I Heard Them Over 20 Years Ago, They're My All Time Favourite!! But You Definitely Low-Balled, There's 9 On My Prescription, Not Including Emergency Meds
My top 3 are Green Day's Dookie, Sum 41's All Killer No Filler and Yellowcard's Ocean Avenue! These bands are also my top 3 pop punk bands of all time!
I liked Insomniac more than Dookie. To me it's like how Buffalo was to Life in General for MxPx. Dookie was a major transformation for GreenDay, but Insomniac took all the good stuff from Dookie and polished it even more.
@digital dirtbag yeah, as a massive Enter Shikari fan, I’m well aware of his tactic of only playing super old demo quality songs and ignoring a decade or more of better material. But hey! If you liked what you heard, I’d definitely recommend the two songs I mentioned before. You might really like em! :) Out of Control has a killer chorus, in my opinion
I can't be the only one who think their albums are getting gradually better? Perhaps, I Suppose sounds like generic skate-punk of that time. Anybody Out There is a solid record featuring different styles of music. Their debut is really overrated in my opinion, and the last one is underrated.
hey ive been watching some of your recent videos and it would be great if you did your own top 20 list of the best pop punks album or at least a least of all the album newbies like me must listen to
@@williamdean8441half the songs are shit and it’s only experimental within the extremely confined space of pop punk. It’s not in anyway experimental in the wider scope of guitar music
Wow, Acceptance! I had no idea they were even pop punk adjacent; their one hit really sounded to me more like America’s answer to Keane than anything. Nice song though, and it’s cool that they got back together, which I wouldn’t have even realized if they didn’t make this list…thanks Loudwire.
What I’ve learned watching this video is that I am a pop punk hipster 😎 Ok, I didn’t learn that, I already knew that. Cause I would absolutely put Acceptance and Midtown on this list. And I would have put Based on a True Story as the Starting Line album. Also, Suburbia over Greatest Generation as the Wonder Years rep on the list? No way! I’m an elite tier hipster dammit!
Here is my top ten list ( in no particular order) of albums that got snubbed from this list. Any and all feedback is welcomed! Bad Religion - Stranger than fiction (for me, The Gray Race is Bad Religion's best album but Stranger Than Fiction probably had the biggest cultural impact) Nofx - Punk In Drublic (As Finn said, the definitive skate punk album. I happen to think The War on Errorism is a better album but PID is their legendary classic) Ludo - You're Awful, I love you (IDK if Finn would disagree with me on whether this album is pop punk or not, but it definitely has it's pop punk moments and for me, is one of best albums to never get a shout out, so I'm giving it one here) Diesel Boy - Cock Rock (Sofa King Cool was probably their best album, featuring an amazing cover of The Dead Milkmen's "Punk Rock Girl", but Cock Rock was their debut and likely their best known album) Lucky Boy's Confusion - Commitment (Again, IDK if the genre police would disagree with this pick, but anyone who likes pop punk should give this album a listen if they haven't, it's phenominal) Rancid - Let's Go (You could possibly argue that ...And Out Come The Wolves had a bigger cultural impact, but Let's Go is just as definitive as Punk In Drublic is) Face To Face - Self titled (If you wanted to argue that Don't Turn Away or Big Choice are better albums, I would accept that, but for me the self titled album is their best) Offspring - Smash (C'mon, do I really need to say anything?) Suicide Machines - Destruction by Definition (If Hello Rockview could make their list, than sure a shit Destruction by Definition could. Yes, there are a lot of ska overtones on this record, but at it's heart it's a fantastic skate punk album) Big Wig - Stay Asleep (Probably the best unknown Pop Punk album ever. Not too many people know of or followed this band in their heyday. If you like skate punk, give this album a listen. I promise you won't be disappointed.)
I’m guessing whoever wrote this list would consider Rancid and Offspring punk instead of pop-punk maybe. But along with NoFX being left off it does feel off. 100% agree about Bigwig though! Extremely underrated band!
How could STF have a bigger cultural impact than Suffer or Generator? Suffer was the bluprint for how a lot of bands wrote songs and also was the point where Epitaph became an actual label, with NoFX the first to get signed just after Suffer came out, while Generator defined the sound of 90 Skatepunk (Mr. Bretts Studio had to move and at the new location things weren't quite finished so they used a couple of weird solutions, like using an old wardrobe as an isocab and some not so standard mic choices resulting in a very clicky bassdrum. Bands booked that studio for that sound and I count at least 3 albums in your post where guitars were recorded using the same wardrobe and the bass drum had an SM47 on the beater).
@@simongunkel7457 Alright, that's a well thought out and knowledgeable retort. For me and the punk kids I ran with, Stranger Than Fiction was the one that got us all hooked. That version of 21st century digital boy, incomplete, infected, and the handshake were all classic songs even then. But you make very strong points.
Bad Religion is not pop-punk, Rancid is not pop-punk and The Offspring are not pop-punk. NOFX should be on the list, Diesel Boy is honestly not good enough to make top 50, Face To Face should be on the list, Suicide Machines are great but barely can be considered pop-punk and not Top 50, Big Wig should be on the list but pretty high up like between 50-40.
Nice video. I'm not really into Pop-Punk, so it was interesting to hear you thoughts and get to know new bands. But one thing: so Motion City Soundtrack is not Pop-Punk in your opinion...but A Day to Remember is? And Jimmy Eat World too? That sounds wrong to me. But well... like I said. I'm far away from being an expert. Thanks for the video.
Turnover's Peripheral Vision should absolutely be in here. Definitely not pop punk, but neither is Brand New. So I feel like it's kind of in the same alley and Peripheral Vision is an absolute 10/10 no skips album Even more than that, I think it's the perfect example of "no skips", because it just... flows. Call me crazy, but I'd absolutely compare it to Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon in that regard. Probably in my personal Top 3 Albums of all time
Take Off Your Pants and Jacket is arguably my favorite album of all time. It was the very album I ever bought and will forever hold a special place in my mind.
There is an overlapping concept with pop punk and emo where I can get some bands like the used are definitely not pot Punk and Alien Ant Farm is definitely not emo but it's like one of those graphs with the circles but everything mostly just overlaps and there's a small sliver on each side with the defining bands
I’d put Good Morning Revival in there too-would’ve been a very overthinking hipster contrarian pick but so is most of the list, so it’d be perfect. 3 GC records!
I'm commenting this before watching the video. If homegrown Kings of Pop isn't in the top 10 it will continue to be one of the most underrated drive-thru records peak era pop punk albums
Offspring is always mentioned in the same breath of Green Day when punk exploded in 94. Would they be considered pop punk? Surprised something like Smash or Americana didn’t make the list.
Enema of the State should be #1 IMO it’s the perfect pop punk album of all time. Front to back and never skip a song. Just a classic pop punk album. A masterpiece.
This list has me feelin' some kinda way, too. Slick Shoes and Millencolin, but no Face to Face or Mr. T Experience? And no NOFX? They could have also picked some way better pop-punk-adjacent emo bands, too (Jawbreaker, Get-Up Kids, Promise Ring, etc.). I would have liked to have seen at least one of those nu-gazey, lollapalooza-core bands like Title Fight, Superheaven, or Basement on the list, too.
... so, NO the offspring album?? also, even though Rancid is by all means not a pop-punk band, I would deffinetly put "... and out comes the wolfs" as one of the top 10 best pop-punk albums, specialy seing so many "not really" pop-punks albums they put in this list.
@@littadnb. it has no misses. i've always thought it was equally as good as Kerplunk and Dookie, but it never gets mentioned with them. Certainly better than American Idiot
@@Conz101 to be honest I enjoy 1039 slappy* more than kerplunk. It’s a shame warning took so long to come out, I would have probably given it more of a chance. I still love them, and celebrate their success but everything after nimrod is meh to me.
#DEFENDSETYOURGOALS!!!!!! man, mutiny is an AMAZING album!!! Would agree it should be on the list, but TWBTDOU is brilliant also. Mutiny is OG so that's the winner. Super sads-ies they never released anything further 😭😭😭
I agree with most of what you said, however, I totally disagree about Rufio as a whole. Perhaps I suppose is their weakest album and their sound was different, but listen to their later stuff like Mental Games from The Comfort of Home album or songs like The Loneliest, Moonshine or Run from their final album. Really good stuff. Anyway, solid video!
“This Will Be The Death Of Us” is everything I love about pop-punk. It actually makes me sad now that modern pop-punk has lost some of that punk fury and righteousness for emo self-loathing and toxicity. I feel like the sadboy-era lost some of the anger or angst, even though it could be a bit cringe. I bring up “This Will Be The Death Of Us” because it had those two songs about their old label boss and you can just feel the genuine emotion from it. As for the list, I’d honestly write it the same way. To piss people off/get a reaction out of them. These lists are totally subjective, so why not make some major upsets?
@@lobesmcgee yeah its when they started to go for a different sound and dude ranch is awesome way too much hate on here for it cause its not travis also american idiot is that really a pop punk album ??? sounds emo too me
A Pop Punk list that doesn't include The Offspring, The Ataris, Fenix Tx or Bayside is not a Pop Punk list. Also missing some absolute bangers from the peak Pop Punk era like I Am the Avalanche, Cauterize, Over It, Allister, Polar Bear Club, Punchline, Relient K, Sugarcult, Autopilot Off, Four Year Strong, Box Car Racer, The Swellers... A pretty hipster list to be honest.
Oh man, I couldn't possibly be tracking with Finn any more than with this list. Being right in the thick of the 90s/00s Punk scene (high school class of '03), The Bouncing Souls are the BEST, most-underrated band of the era. Saw them 3 times in the 2000s. Bouncing Souls are the "nice guys" of Street Punk. The environment of their live shows is awesome. Motion City Soundtrack's first two albums (Commit this to Memory their 2nd) are absolutely amazing top-to-bottom. Saw them multiple times as well. So energetic! Not "punk" in the traditional sense, but their typical live fan base rode the line between "punk" & "emo". Plus, they transcend those labels by just being plain fun but also deep & intelligent. I still listen to both these bands regularly. They are both so consistent.
The Academy Is... were one of my favourite bands as a teen so I can tell you that at the time fucking *no-one* knew who the hell they were when they were active. One one hand I'm kind of glad they've got this retrospective appreciation, but at the same time it's like - where were all these TAI... superfans back in the day, y'know? Also if any album of theirs is gonna be on a *Pop-Punk* list then it should absolutely be Fast Times At Barrington High, not Almost Here
