LOUISE - Animation Short Film 2021 - GOBELINS 

@@Elxosonia I realized everything that was norm for the low class is high class now. My mom told me Lobster and chicken was low class food.

And most of these rich men have blood money, because most of them was slave master and plantation owners.

@@sa5m225 chicken? It's not fancy now either.

@@sa5m225 Yes it's true, Lobster was low class food and I'm not sure why that changed, maybe because of over consumption.

this reminds me of Lolita and idk why

Yeah, the man did not care about her one bit. Just depressing

I like that the scene is also very not sexy, for a sex scene, if that makes sense. Like, there is clearly no love or emotion with the way they don’t even show the man’s face. The way he just grabs her and turns her around. I think that really adds to the feeling that this is just the way she lives.

Not only that, she's looking at her ring and shoes during the act and I think it's representative of how dissociated she is in that moment, very heart breaking.

Well its not sex it’s assault

@@LunaDarkFall It was sex for pay. It was not assault, don't dilute the meaning for actual assaults.

your opinion is so obvious and interesting! thank you very much, sincerely

underrated comment fr

@@stargirIll because it's a fairly common trap, for called naive people ??

@@stargirIll no man is the victim, simply, empathy is there because the man is "sad" so we will want to console him but he himself is an- executioner??

@@stargirIll everyone is different ! what I mean by that is that I do not excuse the man at all (no man in this video is a victim) but simply that, generally, we would tend to pity him because he has the looks “sad” just that!! So I understand why you say that and I'm happy that you shared your opinion!!

exactly! even if he is offering "real love" or if the flower symbolizes "innocence", what is that symbolism worth when he's a grown man and she's a 14 year old child.

Why is Charles trying to get sex for free from women and girls who can’t eat? Why can’t he go find a woman of his own status, normally ? This some incel shit. Whatever the age of the dancers, Charles is not a vibe.

I don't feel bad for him at all 😀

@@littleseaturtle the gaslighting of pedophiles is crazy

That always annoyed me. It was never about him, its about her! I dont feel bad for him, he will move on a get over it. He will find someone new. But these young girls gotta live with this forever.

I remember they showed that in the movie "Phantom of the Opera" during the scene where you see the Opera House back in its glory days.

Yea Degas paintings lose a lot of their luster with this context. I still remember a docu or something where they arw looking at Degas' history and are all "wow this awkward quiet young man became Degas!" - yes - the sort who hung around watching young girls get propositioned and sold. Yep.

So sad they had to resort to prostitution to earn a living, and as children on top of that! Those men are 🤮 Glad that dancers don't have to prostitute themselves anymore and simply just do what they were meant to, dance. (I hope)

The Fine Art of Love movie kinda has the same plot point you mention, a girl trafficking "business" with a ballet school-orphanage facade

@@seedsilas4912 So what is it then? I’m just wondering, because I thought they meant the same thing? Do you mean it’s not “work” because the children can’t choose to do it/ consent to it?

Wow I love how you caught that little details! Good eye!

Oh wow you’re right

I wonder if the girl got macaroons as a gift or bought them for herself, even though she had rent to pay Or maybe Louise owed her money so it didn’t matter

Brilliant!

@@97_3h i think it was a gift. the "i have too many" like really struck me as it being a present for her services. if she would have bought it for herself it would have been cherished more, considering that macarons are a little bit more of a "fancy" desert. Rose too is most likely being sexualized and used by a man, so the box of treats don't mean anything to her--- it's simply just another backhanded token of appreciation for her sexual favours, almost like saying "thanks for the ass, let me give you something nice that you might not be able to afford--- this'll keep you coming."

I love your take on this, very well written out and explained ty!

Ah, thank you for writing this up! I missed some of the nuance between Louise and Josephine and while I noticed Louise taking her hair down and then pinning it back up when she was needing to find some quick cash, I somehow didn't catch the working -> resting -> working symbolism you explained so well.

The Macaroons have the same colors as the dancer's dresses which could symbolize how the men see the dancers. Nothing more than little treats to satisfy a craving.

@@RackednStackeddd im sorry but ur fucking pfp has me screaming

Your interpretation of the macarons is a bit farfetched

ya but this topping been beat over so many times it’s horing

The shot when they are having sex and you see the size contrast of their hands next to each other putting the emphasis on her being a child was especially unnerving, powerful message throughout this film

@@mollusckscramp4124 Agreed! That choice really struck me as well.

I know right after watching this Im glad my mom didnt take me to ballet classes.

Eh modern women use "suggar" daddies all the time. This animation just makes it look like there are victims. People just feel bad because secretly they think prostitution is dehumanizing, now that the west accepts hedonistic behavior, MILLIONS of young girls world wide celebrate their sexual freedom and love making quick money this way.

This is just like saying Christian nuns are sexualising themselves for staying covered in public and not getting naked to each other...lol. Women sexualising or not sexualising themselves has nothing to do by how naked they get as women by nature already do not sexualise their own bodies. It's men that do them, men are the ones sexualising women. There are reasons why prostitutes and courtesans are always dressed best and made attractive possible with showing skins and shapes, while the dance routine is an add-on to accessorise the ladies to be more attractive to their sponsors.

@@sallylemon5835 Painfully True.

Wow breacking news women have bodies

most of the time women dont sexualize themselves. men choose to perceive them as sexual.

This! Yes! 🙌

How old is she supposed to be anyway? Is she about 16-17? She looks young and if that's the case I'm even more shocked and broken-hearted about her condition because I myself am around the same age.

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Yeah, and it was given to her by someone who did not seem confrontational and appeared more interested in the relationship than sex by the way he became sad in the corner instead of going off to someone else.

@@nazaninsoltanpour6254 According to the articles in Gobelins's comment, she could be much younger, about 13-14 :(

@@annadorothea9785 oh goodness, poor girl:(

100%. the friendship between josephine and louise was beautifully done

It felt a bit sapphic at times, would have loved to see a longer feature film developing the girls' characters

​@@mollusckscramp4124 I don't think so at all. They seemed like sisters, close and warm with one another. Casually being nude around each other without any sexual connotation made that quite clear.

Are you sure they're women? They look like girls.....its concerning seeing old men going after them

​@@dollynina8992 idk, women and girls don't really kiss each other on the shoulders when we're only friends. She got real touchy with that one girl in a more intimate way, not platonically. There seemed to be romantic love at the last hug when they're leaving

How is she more innocent? She dismisses Charles who apparently has feelings for her and steals her friend's drink

@@ST-kr2mk In that circumstance, she is compared to the girls in red. They are more aggressive when it comes to bringing in money. They hustle more than she does.

@@ST-kr2mk Charles deserves to be dismissed. Why do you think he has feelings for her? Because he brought her a flower and didn't immediately cut to the chase with her and was sitting alone after her rejection? He is in a place that is well known for prostitution and that alone means he has that intention with her. Just because it seems to be just her he wants to have sex with does not mean he's any better than the rest of the men or cares for her any more or would give her a better life. If she choose him to get out of the life she is still a sex slave...but it would be worse because he would take her freedom away and keep her broke. Lose lose for Louise. That is some r/niceguy viewpoint you have there lol

@@ST-kr2mk Charles is probably not from her social class, doesn’t have enough money and because he is there at that evening I don’t think he had any romantic intentions.

@@ST-kr2mk keep in mind that men who went to the backstage for courtship has the mind and knowing what power they have over these girls, and Charles’ intention is no less than that. When girls are hustling for survival, he has a mind of courtship and the knowing of upper hand in the back of his mind. There is no fair in situation like that, especially when the receiving end can never escape the power/financial dynamic. If they met outside the backstage and Charles pull the flower move, it would have been fine. But when you can clearly see how young Louise is, the glimpse of hardship she has to face. Those are not romantic advancement tbh.

Oh someone from Portugal here? You have good taste!

@@mellidon Thanks, so do you! I'm a mere humble astonished viewer, really

@@audio_audio hipocrisy of the upper class. At that time, ballet dancers had the reputation for being too "easy" for men to be seduced, for not saying that they were seen as prostitutes.

He captured the women during that time beautifully. Only the spirit of these beautiful little flowers 🌸 is in France. Their enduring spirit to gay and happy everyday they lived no matter how tragic. Truly remarkable women. Beautifully illustrated animation is nothing without a good story, they did both masterfully well °~.☆.~°

@@audio_audio Good question. I have just been learning about the culture and I wouldn't have understood this film nor appreciate it without the knowledge that is being depicted. Really that is a good question 😉

How tf foes having your hair up make you look older, when my hair looks shorter I look way younger

@@4spurta It's 1895. Back then, it was common for young girls to have their hair down, while women have their hair up.

Ohh I initially though it was to expose her nape and appear more seductive, but you're probably right

@@denden8372 That too is true.

I think it's the other way around. She looks younger with that hair, more like a young ballerina, and she knows that thats what those men want. Young girls.

I don't feel sorry for Charles at all. Even if he's "sweet" about it, even if he really "loves" her, even if he's naive, he is still taking advantage. Her options are to be with him exclusively and try to keep him happy and deal with him every day and have sex with him whenever he wants... or stay in her situation of at the very least getting to _choose_ who to have sex with to get by, and only needing to do it for a short time rather than all the time. I do not feel sorry for Charles.

@@GoddoDoggo that's a very good point and I feel the same way about him after analysis. However, at a first glance the shot it intentionally makes him look hurt to deceive a more neive audience as if they were are more neive ballerina of that time. In addition, I don't believe he is being genuinely sweet, he's still trying to manipulate her.

It didn't seem like Charles was in love with her or he wanted a relationship with her let alone a good relationship. He was just one of the men who just wanted her body, giving flower or offering gifts to ladies was a common norm back then it didn't mean he was serious about her. Also him sadly sitting alone wasn't fir Louis seemed he had a personal loss like loss in his business or hard time in job money related issues or problem with his real relationship or his wife so he just came here to have a body to enjoy to forget about those

@@jhsemoxitha3821 I especially agree with you that he didn't want a romantic relationship with her, only a sexual one, but I do think he was trying to fool Louise into thinking he did. As for your second point, I hadn't thought of it before, but now I definitely think it's possible.

Do keep in mind that this is all speculative, and we tend to project our perspectives in to such speculations. It could have easily been that he was sincere and could have held his own to give her a better life, just as much as it could have been that he was not. His latter shown attitude supports the less nefarious possibility, but we really don't know. It is interesting what you can learn about a person's worldview from reading their judgement calls on a brief fictional character.

Eh what???? 😨 I thought it only happened in the past

@@catherineslittletown3352 Its gotten better but it still happens sometimes. Around 2015 tons of reports came out that dancers at Bolshoi were told to sleep with wealthy guests or risk losing their spots in the corps de ballet. Getting into that company is absurdly hard even if you went to a good dance academy, so it's really sad they treat such prestigious talent like garbage.

@@catherineslittletown3352 no it still happens, just not as much but Is still a dark problem in ballet

@@sofiebonaparte7831 i'm a ballerina too, i am not naive enough to think these situations dont still occur but i never would have thought it was still common in this area of the dance world, that's terrifying

Curious 🤔…

I assumed it was a marriage arrangement, the atmosphere slightly changes the further. However, marriage was one method of "selling"...

Yup, the only way to get enough money if you lived in a city is through men, either you marry one and he pays or you have sex with many and they pay.

Yeah my father wanted to force me to an arrange marriage with an old rich men if I don't get to university and once I'm 18. Sucks to suck.

louise is 14

Has anyone noticed how thin and pale Louise looks? Her hands are extremely bony.

Exactly

Beautifully said. My stomach is still churning from this, but it's a nice message.

Well said! When I first saw this, my mind was very scared of the displayed sex, but to my surprise, it wasn’t explicit! And the girls changing was so natural! Like they weren’t striking poses while taking out their dresses, they were just staking off their “uniform” and that’s that! I loved this!

thats a beautiful way to put it, hat's off to you!

Ahhh, a beta trying to hide his true thoughts on the matter because he subconsciously is convinced that his agreeing with gynocentrism will get him sex!

You mean the circle jerk of feeling sad. All I have seen here is how modern women should feel ashamed as you guys kinda make it sound like prostitution and sexual liberation is not as empowering as modern feminism wants us to believe. Yet despite women having supposed men in education, more than ever they choose to sexualize themselves instead of doing a normal office job.

Someone replied to you. Can you see the comment?

​@Yomomma-jf9iy I can't see it so I doubt she can.

It wasn't that they just needed money. They needed a way to live. The world has been cruel to women.

@@acoasterbro The earlier actors, singers and dancers were often males. And they too had to do sex work. Basically if you became an artist, you most likely had to perform sexual acts to earn some money. On the other hand, in the more oriental setting the men and women "of pleasure" had to train in arts to get more and better customers. If you follow the human history arts and sex work were intertwined and often seen as one and the same job (perhaps related to some ancient rituals, I don't know).

I think that's what put me off with the nudity I did not know how old the women were I thought maybe 16 youngest but it put me off watching it, the story is fantastic do not get me wrong but how old do you think they were I know not old but I was thinking 16-20 maybe

@@Black.Spades you are absolutely correct, in Japan the actors for kabuki doubled as prostitutes. There are so many instances of sex being involved with the entertainment industry it's not funny. Just like the casting couch and the whole Weinstein saga in hollywood

@@pickmixgamer It is implied by one of the artists that louisa is around 14:( That's why she looks younger and shorter than most of the ballerinas there.

Yours is my favourite comment, you very perceptively articulated what i felt but couldn't put my finger on. Its both unsettling and cosily intimate, constantly and smoothly switching between the two. I think this is because there is the same sense of familiarity and routine for both the cosy and hard moments that holds it al together.

@@nadiabairamis3854 Yes! Yes! I love this little thread; it's exactly what I've been wanting to say, but I didn't know how to put it into words. :D It's so eerie, but is placed in a quite mundane setting. The contrast is so apparent.

Reminds me of Kafka. In my imagination, this is close to how his works would be adapted for the screen

Europe in a nutshell

you took words right out of my mouth! i agree completely

Louise is actually 14. And so we're most opera dancers

@@princessglandy6776 actually 14 is in fact still just a kid 😐 fuck outta here w the wierd shit old heads be saying.

Heartbreaking? Thats what women love? Just look at dating profiles almost all women love stronger, bigger men. The only ones that find it sad are unattractive girls because they can't get such men

@@princessglandy6776still a child

@@stelluridk3439 No one said she wasn’t

Not to mention the toxic beauty standard it created that ballerinas must be skinny which come from malnourishment and being underfed! May your grandma Rest In Peace

Women I have always been there for each other ❤ Glad to see things haven’t changed

​@@princessglandy6776Now and I think than it's same in the past for the world of mannequinat ?(malnutrition, human traffic in fact...)

i love that detail too. because that's exactly what happens. you just stare at the wall or whatever to ignore your reality

Hi, thank you for your interesting opinion. I’d like to hop on to this topic :-) I don‘t think she is distracting herself from the events that are happening to her by observing her surroundings. I think she is trying to keep herself busy but not because she can’t bare the situation. To me it felt like it is supposed to show that it is so common for her to do this that she has now spare time you could say which she is trying to fill with looking at her surroundings. I think I am projecting my own experience here though so I see it as this feeling of casualty in the act. She was so less invested in what they were doing that she had time and awareness to observe these objects around her. Well she kind of became one herself. Still it felt like a burden to her I think and exhausting as it is shown in the scene where she sits all by herself in the changing room sighing relatively at the end of the film. But the moment that we were able to watch in this short film we are mainly talking about right now was at a time she already grew cold to these circumstances. I mean it didn‘t hurt her anymore. Not like it did at the first time at least. Maybe it will always hurt deep inside. But I never felt that consciously so I don‘t have an opinion to that right now. But I was there where it felt just like a duty and my mind could wander of just like it was shown in this film. This scene was really relatable and real but also sober and kind of brutal in it‘s honesty. And this is how reality feels to me. Thank you for reading :-)

Not so sure about the whole "how women supported each other". My take was just that they were all in a shitty situation and couldn't affort to care about anyone but themselves. Like, you can see this when our female main character is forced into a corner because another woman wouldn't wait a single day for the money. Bet the teacher knew what the girl was going to have to do in order to get money, she just couldn't care because she had her own problems to worry about. Maybe that's why Louise didn't mentioned it to anyone, because she wants to keep her friend living in her sweet little rich girl bubble and because she knows the teacher knows, just as she knows that the teacher doesn't give a damn.

@@falkyrie5228 I was thinking the exact same thing.

oh wow u worded this perfectly. exactly my thoughts

I honestly wish I could say the same (about not knowing how to feel about it). I wrote an extensive comment about my initial thoughts though, because in truth, I very much had identifiable feelings about it.

Same, ☹💔

I am afraid that you are mistaken, the average ballerina makes about as much as working full-time at McDonalds.

You probably didn’t know how to feel because you’re watching it with a 21st century mindset. It’s just how things worked back then, unfortunately.

@@Oh-mq6vq what it mean

It's probably because she acts very "mature," which is an excuse you'll often hear when predators go after kids.

If I need to say, she looks like 15-16

She also has quite a deep voice

@@cupcakedoce956 I heard that the artist said she's 14.

Go and tell your mom I said hi.

Also how multiple shots reference works by the artist. It was apparent to me from minute one.

YES !!!! i wrote a paper on this, i’m so glad somebody else saw the influence of degas too !!!

Yessss that was my first thought

But Dagas actually hated those ballerinas and called them wh*res who spreads diseases

Bro, Edward Degas?💀

I really liked his work when I was young. I remember the description saying how he was giving insight into the behind the scenes for ballerinas of the time.... rather vague way of putting it. I already know that if I look this up, there'll be some historians claiming how this was normal for the time and it makes my stomach flip. There was another author who had taken numerous photos of children in questionable wear (oh, I forgot his name) and that's what they said about him.

The entire color scheme and design of the short is very similar to his painting "Rehearsal on the Stage", and it shows little scenes from that painting like a ballerina scratching her back, or one kissing the shoulder of another. On a sobering note, the protagonist looks exactly like one of Degas's sculptures, "Ballerina of 14 years".

@@mysticmusical The sad thing was, it WAS normal for the time. It was totally normal and just accepted. It shouldn't be used as an "excuse," in the same way that "burning people at the stake was normal for the time" shouldn't be used as an excuse, but factually speaking, it was "normal." Which makes it much much worse than if it wasn't.

I was searching for a comment from someone who recognized like me the inspiration from Degas' art ! :D

@@elodiesaint-pierre877 funny me too : I have a presentation to do on his work and we are supposed to talk about how it has influenced some parts of the popular culture nowadays ;)

Obviously 😒 🤢 ☹ .....

ballet was, ballerinas weren't. They are usually girls from poor families, and the line of work is only above prostitution.

@@corneliali7747 How SAD ! 😯 🙁 😖 😢 😰

@@corneliali7747 like I said. Hidden truths

The height of the cultural world, for girls from rich families. But eventually rich girls gotta settle in a noble lifestyle married to rich sons of rich families (no dancing afterwards) so there left the show to be run only by girls who were willing to commit in this job, and poor girls usually would commit the most. By right they should be paid very well for running shows non-stop in opera houses attended by the elites who must've paid a lot to watch, but just as that girl need to wait for her next month pay to afford a new pair of ballet shoes, this shows they were underpaid slaves made believed that the only way they could afford staying in the field and pay back the costly ballet courses and accessories is by getting rich men to pay for them.. in exchange of sexual services. This has been the scheme for all prostitution houses.

louise is a CHILD. Fuck charles

That's makes sense

Totally.

this is such a sad reality

gud

@oh wow no, because she has to, or else she wouldn't be able to survive. consent can't be truly given if the only other option is to be homeless and starve to death

@oh wow This is really gross. That is not at all how consent works, not to mention that she's only 13. Coercion isn't consent. That includes financial coercion.

@oh wow shes 14 this is statutory rape If a baby crawled to someone and that someone SAs them, would it be consent? No Now of course a baby’s mentality and a teenagers mentality is very different but I’m sure in sexual topics they both can’t consent They don’t know what their doing, dealing being inside of with. They have no education of this. Plus I’m sure it can somewhat ruin your body, especially if you’re a girl. Cuz pregnancy. You can die if you’re underdeveloped or suffer physical trauma. And the hormone thing ( periods, basically, could be worse in pregnancy too) after birth is a thing you totally don’t want or need There’s so many children who got SA’d by the ones they trusted, loved and ended up like this. Do not disrespect them like this after what they experienced. Take it from someone who had to experience similiarities like these Also to add on, like dogs can’t consent. Your mind isn’t fully developed until you’re 25 years old. A 17 year olds maturity is much different then a 19 year olds or atleast 20 year old adult

Bro thats a minor

She's 14

I think she is at least 13 years old, because of how short she is, and her body type. She maybe a little older though. Because she seems to live alone, because of her not talking about living with people in the pointe shoe part.

What 13 year old is paying rent?

@@just-A.randomdude one that has to do whatever they can to get by. We can presume that she is an orphan because there is no mention or scene with her parenta

@@theplastictootle4709 fair enough

This would make an excellent feature length film

also if they were to add the story behind Degas' Ballerina paintings, i think the movie would be a hit especially at the TIFF, where they tend to show movie's that are less main stream

It's not the same story but if you want to watch a french anime taking place in Paris during this period (end of the 19th century) and about the realities of the domain of dancing at that time, I really advice you to see the 2 short seasons of the series "Loulou de Montmartre" ;) it's a beautiful one, crossing a lot of themes and with a great soundtrack

@@dessoleilsenpagaille thank you! I will check that out

If you want a story depicting the same scenes from another POV, there is les illusions perdus that was turned into a movie last month

their dynamic is my favorite thing on this movie! also the gesture at 5:34 was very sweet

Hello, I didn't understand what's the twist in Louise finding Lucini, could you please explain?

@@Ami_Mehta he r-pes her so that’s why the twist is there

no, that’s how she gets the money to pay rose

@@i.m1ss.y0u.s0.f4r it’s still r@pe, even if she got something out of it, it’s forced on her for her survival. She’s also quite small compared to other adults and even her peers. And historically many were sold by their families as children. She’s basically owned by the landlady and has to have s3x with old m3n to pay her dues to her master until she’s married off. By those standards, she was r@ped.

@@Ami_Mehta I think how it's normalized back in the days even though people know how fucked up it was. After what happened since it's a normal thing, they go back to their regular lives.

Brilliant comment

And tragically, Louise, once she marries, will very likely stop dancing. And Louise will lose her biggest support and only genuine friend.

I don’t think Josephine is as wealthy as you believe. She may be better off or seen as more desirable than Louise but she’s clearly still using her body same as Louise. For example at the beginning of the short we see her say she hopes she sees Lucini again which I think Louise go with. Her mother wasn’t trying to match her for a possible marriage prospect but more or less acting as her pimp. Apparently this was a common practice for mothers to basically act as pimps to their daughters in the ballet.

Yes

They could just marry a normal nice guys that isn't rich lmao.

​@@mcmarkmarkson7115 and then what?Live in debt????Live in a life where all they do is borrow???

@@numicats or work a hard job like men do.

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 "like men do"💀 a very bold assumption right there sir

Me too!!! 😊

Same

Same

that's twisted. What life story do you expect from abuse?

@@missfrubby7814 Fr. And it’s not like Louise’s story would be super interesting. She’d likely contract a disease and die young, or if she didn’t she’d continue this lifestyle till she aged out and went to a home, or lived on the street. This ain’t a glamorous story, and I think it’s odd how people are being swayed by the art style to think it is.

Was? Since feminism got power, prostitution and sexualization of women is more widespread than ever. What we don't see is an animation of a doctor/nurse, having to mutilate growing babies 24/7

honstly a pretty interesting insight tbh

Rather than questioning the woman in the pink dress who we understand now to just be part of a larger system and who is simply trying to survive like the rest of the dancers, we are left to question and think about the morality of a system such as this existing in the first place. The film portrays these transactions and interaction as normal. The characters are so nonchalant about it all, but it fills me with dread and disgust knowing these were once normal and socially acceptable interactions.

@@CeCe1066 well now lets think what would be morality right, she is from a poor family, normally she would be either wed off to another poor men, or work rough through a hard job Getting an easy life as a prostitute is a conundrum, because it makes life very easy but it is bad for society Reality is full of suffering, look at how brutal animal life is without societal norms.

@@CeCe1066 not just "were once" like you said. i danced ballet throughout my childhood and adolescence and i'm sure others currently in companies can attest: finding benefactors and sponsors for the large sum of a season is more often than not put on the young dancers and rich men's favorites to schmooze them up.

Pues nadie debería humillarte :/, si tu visión del mundo es única, déjala salir. Con fe!

Estudias en Escena?

I think its a common thing in latin america. We hardly have serious films or series and if they are they will be buried in the sea of "comedies"

@@pablo97vs no, en coco

lo peor que podemos hacer es caer en dicotomias entre "buenos" y "malos" lo increíble de este corto es que se aleja de ello.

Wait, you mean this is how they are treated for real?

@@insignia9325 not anymore hopefully

@@insignia9325 How they were, not anymore !! The short is set in mid- to late 19th century. At that time, the young dancers came from poor families and were more or less forced to find "protectors" to make a career. That was encouraged by the system of the Opéra de Paris, with "suscribers" paying to have access to the backstage and rehearsals (what we see in the film). You can also glimpse those men in the paintings by Degas, for example. Those situations often led to blurring the line between dance and prostitution. The sordid situation receded in the early 20th century with the syndication of the dancers among other things but I'm no expert and can't pinpoint when it disappeared.

De l’époque?! Genre oui il n’y a plus autant et si flagrant. Ça a une autre forme maintenant, plus discrète plus luxueuse, mais peu importe le décor, l’époque, l’histoire reste la même.

@@insignia9325 were and are, but it's a damn sight more discrete now. Source: dated a dancer, she had horrific stories.

It's the act of showing their support to each other that makes this tragic short a bit 'okay'... 😔Anyways, God bless and Jesus loves you!! 🤍☺️ “You shall not use or repeat the name of the Lord your God in vain [that is, lightly or frivolously, in false affirmations or profanely]; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. ” Exodus 20:7 AMPC 🤍 “Seek your happiness in the Lord, and he will give you your heart's desire. ” Psalm 37:4 GNT 🤍 God bless you all and Jesus loves you!! 🤍

i am a little shocked with how blunt and direct this short is, makes me feel very uneasy. The short delivered this feeling very nicely

nice seeing you here YenYen

É uma referência as obras de Edgar Degas

"hope for something better" - where did you see that? Sooner or later this girl will catch an STD and/or get pregnant, which might mean the end of her life. Where is the hope?

That’s how sex has viewed back then. Solely for men’s pleasure. This was realistic for what sex work looks like too. Of course this doesn’t make any of this ok, but it’s important to see this is what really happens, and has been happening to girls and women.

You worded this very weirdly. Could've been less creepy about it. Louise doesn't want to "be lubricated" or turned on, she needs money and that's it. But ultimately I agree.

@@mildryfrr9970 how was what I said ‘worded weirdly’? How was it ‘creepy’?! For women, it HURTS unless there’s LUBRICATION. If that wording, or even recognition of the physical, makes you uncomfortable that’s a you problem.

@@mildryfrr9970 I'd say she'd definitely want someone who would care for her pleasure as well, but alas they didn't get paid enough and the disgusting sort of men took advantage of that.

of course rapists don't care about victim's pleasure.

And I think it also really captures how normalized all of this is for the time. Rose just demanded money from her knowing full well a child would have to prostitute herself to pay her back, but she just casually offers the girl a macaron, because she DOES care about Louise, they are dancers, she knows exactly what Louise is and how she feels because she’s been there too. It’s just how life is for these women. A macaron, a kiss on the shoulder, a friendly “hey have a snack” after “sell your body for me”…this is their norm. It’s heartbreaking and terrifying and bittersweet all at once because even with all that symbolism, it’s also very much Rose’s way of thanking the younger girl.

@@d.v.3314 Yeah, after all, they're in 1895, they live in the world of the marginalized, digging for scraps, and I think one of the few good things under this symbolism (that was actually mentioned by another person in the comments) is the empowerment these women have in nudity, having the ability to show their most exposed state only to eachother shows control over who they truly show their raw selves to, that being the other women in the dressing room. It's also a great detail to put Rose and Louise in a scene of proffesionalism and negotiation, with the latter giving the former her rent money, this accentuates the power of nudity in those women with the image of rose in 5:10 which not only shows her power but also her authority as a Louise's boss.

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THIS AS WELL honest I love that it was dark half of the film with asethetic looking colors and god I- I just love this as well anyways I agree with this and everyone's comments :D

Soi ,realmente stokeada

very well executed I hope they continue to creat more similar works like this

It had DISTURBING scenes, let's be honest! I did not expected that and it made me deeply uncomfortable This is NOT how you make a movie. These details SHOULD be explained differently The point is to people to UDNERSTAND not to live through the things that they try to prevent!

oh dang!

the interpretation is fabulous!!

Agreed!!

Definitely. It shows how far we've come while at the same time showing har far we still need to go. It was a subtle representation of a larger understanding.

Used to be?

@@andrewowens4421 yes!

"used to be"

Erratum : il n'y a plus de noblesse à proprement parler en 1895. + De Lucini est aussi évidemment ignoble moralement parce qu'il abuse de très jeunes filles sans remords.

this is the second time i am seeing someone seriously refer tik tok as a history source,wtf.

Protect your friends.

the main character is 15 which well doesn't make this any better

take care of yourself out there and stay passionate about your dreams and careers, never give up!

Child trafficking comes in many professions.

aahhh shh th whole ting is about it😳

Les élèves ont souvent un niveau technique déjà énorme en entrant.

@@remoraexocet je sais, je voulais y entrer avant🤣

@@leviwebert8366 Je pense que Remora disait ça par rapport à ta dernière phrase, que ce n'est pas forcément grâce au " sérieux de cette école " que les élèves ont un niveau de professionnel en sortant, mais plutôt parce qu'ils sont déjà très forts de base

@@so_rebi954 En général mes étudiants des gonelins n'ont jamais animé avant J'aurais tellement voulu y aller mais cest bien trop cher..

@@so_rebi954 non l'école joue beaucoup à mon avis, après je ne connais pas son fonctionnement mais en voyant que tt ses élèves sont excellent c'est facile d'en déduire cela. Même en étant excellent en dessin au début un apprentissage cinématographique de qualité est indispensable pour atteindre un tel niveau de professionalisme. Après ce n'est que mon impression rien de forcément vrai.

It explains why Louise is after men with money. I'm not sure why Rose was wanting money off Louise, it isn't really explained.

Rose is probably her fellow ballerina, just few years older. Ballet teachers were usually retired dancers, "too old" for the stage, difference in age would be much bigger. Also she wouldn't call her by first name then

Could Rose be the mistress or something? She might be Josephine’s mom.

She could be someone she borrowed money from or lost it at cards

The implication seems to be that she's a fellow dancer who went out on a limb for Louise and lent her money. Louise said she'd pay her back one too many times without doing so, and now Rose can't afford to let her stall anymore. She's gotta make rent and she needs to make that clear, but she doesn't do so in a strictly authoritative way. There's a desperate tinge to it when she makes it clear she needs that money tonight. When Louise gets her the money, things are back to rights between them and Rose offers her a macaroon. There's nothing to suggest that she holds so much more power over her, the way a madame, landlord, mistress, or mother would, as other comments have pondered. She's yet another girl changing backstage, likely a bit older and more experienced, but still in the same world as Louise. She had the kind of familiarity and distant caring aspect that an older sister type might have, hierarchy and camaraderie combined because they're in the same field trying to make ends meet.

Are you basing the reality in an animated short made by people with obvious bias?? I guess thats the real sad thing here, how easy is to fool and indoctrinate you.

@@fer_nanda4509 USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal was not in 1890s but 1990s. Today is not dancers but gymnastics, what could be for tomorrow?

@@-noname-6730 abuse of men and women can happen anywhere. It is not something that happen in a general way un a single área.

@@fer_nanda4509 Film is about how those who got power (ex money, political right, interest ) abuse those who don't, and those power are generally dominated by men. Just check the ratio between men and women as leader of a nation or top 100 enterprise.

@@fer_nanda4509 are you french? Obviously no. It depicts french opera reality in the 19th century. Everybody knows how things worked in this time. Just look at Degas' work. Faut arrêter de dire des conneries en croyant être intelligent.

Yes. There's a sad inconsistency shown there too... She's offered a treat for what she had to go through, treated as a child. But she had had to endure adulteration before her time.

It's little sadly

I also saw another comment say how the colours of the treats and the girls' dresses matched. The older girls, that were immediately with men, wore red, while Louise and other young girls wore the muted greens. Louise chose a red treat

I feel exactly the same. I want a feature length film of this.

French made an other good one called mr. Hublot.

Non! Magnifique, j'ai pas les mots. Tellement profond, triste et beau...

No soy francesa pero es vrdd

J'aime tellement cette animation

Put it simply during that time is pretty wild

Most of the dancers in that era were 12-18 years old. And the man Charles is Charles Monet, known for his paintings of the Ballet

@@JulianaBlewett aren't you talking about Claude Monet?

@@mysteriousfigure1281 think you're right, just looked it up

Legal age exists for this reason. But that still doesn't apply in prostitution house till this day.

I thought she picked her husband not a client.

Interesting take. It made me think because I saw it a bit differently, though they did a good job of showing a girl who is both used to this world and defiant about it. There is sadness but it doesn't feel like the same old manipulative "all sex workers must be despondent and broken" trope. Seems to be somewhere in the middle. Louise seems resigned, if not exactly stoic in my book. She takes the transaction in stride, but she's dead set on going home at the beginning despite it being packed. You see her ruminating in the aftermath alone when she has a second to herself, almost defeated, and forcing a smile when she eats the macaroon Rose offers her. It may have just been an off night for her and this is why the film focuses on this snapshot of time. But I think in some ways her demeanor is an act, and avoiding broke men is her excuse to avoid men altogether unless she absolutely needs money. Despite complaining about needing new shoes, wearing an ill-fitting, itchy dress, and knowing she owed Rose money, she takes her hair down the second she can. She's barely getting by and yet she's not making an active attempt to acquire money from a rich man. Why? Especially when we see she clearly has before and knows just who to go to and how to play the game when the time comes. When she pins up her hair it's like she's putting on her game face. Now she looks like everyone else, when before she defiantly wore her hair loose. Why take it down at all if she had any desire to make extra money? I think it's because she actually struggles with the sex work aspect of her job and tonight it's harder to pretend she doesn't. You can see her lingering glances on other girls just sitting and commiserating in the halls and on the stairs. Yes, she's looking for her De Lucini, but our eyes are meant to be drawn to people who have caught her eye, people who are either seemingly enjoying themselves with the men -- something we later see she doesn't do -- or avoiding them and chatting with other dancers instead. There's a wistfulness to it as she roams farther from the light while catching stray bits of conversation. I think she even pondered finding someone else if De Lucini eluded her, but the person she overhead said he was broke, so onward. I agree that in the act she is stoic and makes the first advance, but I recall De Lucini saying he thought they would miss each other that evening. He was looking for her and she knew it. I took this to mean that she was actively avoiding him. We see her grimace and disassociate, and we notice later on that she never retrieved the choker for her costume, which he just rips off. She was either careless and forgot it, or couldn't find it after, but when he takes it off she gives him an evil eye he likely can't see. I found that interesting, the quick flash of contempt when he is so haphazard with her limited possessions. She barely holds her composure until things get going, then she goes on autopilot. He's careless and rough, and I get the feeling she dislikes him and their encounters, but makes do. It's her avoidance of him that makes me think she's in part playing tougher than she is. As for the e man her friend was talking about, whom her mother chose... it could have been a suitor, but honestly, it could be a customer/patron, too. Her mother seems to, at a minimum, want to find her a steady, long-term patron who will take care of them. Her disappointed face when she reunites with Louise makes me think she could have had sex with him and been disappointed to miss meeting the guy she wants. Something about the way Louise says her friend's mother makes bad choices makes me think she isn't dealing with chaste marriage proposals alone, and that the mother has picked other older men for her daughter who haven't panned out. I tend to think she does this because she doesn't trust her daughter to think with her head. She's a romantic and will end up with the broke guy.

@@kayjayhay One thing I also noticed( this is from personal observation ), that after that scene, Louise is sitting with her eyes are closed. When she opens them to the mirror across from her, she quickly glances down, not wanting to accept the life she is going to face.

@annapanes4743 good catch! I like how they didn't fall into the trope of having her do the lingering glance at herself. She just looks very young and very tired and very much like a painting, more preoccupied with her internal life.

@@finezyjnafantazja2495 It’s possible, but in this context, that is, the world of ballet, it’s most likely that Josephine’s mother chose a “protector”, or a “man in black” as they called them. These men were subscribers of the Opera, which meant they were granted the chance to observe as the ballerinas practiced, go backstage, and stay with them before the show or during the entracte. Many, many mothers allowed these men to have intercourse with the girls as long as they gave their “blessing”. The men would give money in return, and that was pretty much how these girls survived. Without a protector, a young girl had no chance of succeeding in her vocation.

Yes! You said it all, fellow!!

Yea

just a sappho and her friend

@shibes pao exactly what I was thinking. People pretending they don't exist smh

It might perhaps be because I'm European, but physical intimacy is not exclusive to romantic relationships here. Pecks on the cheek, holding hands, leaning on one-another - it's all very common.

yes i miss 2d animation so badly. we need a mix

I know. It's heartbreaking isn't it

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How old is she?

@@lou.vincii 14-15

@@lou.vincii14

There are some grammar errors but nothing incomprehesible. Overall nice attempt. I also think a film like that would be a hit. Loving Vincent was. Budget was 5,5 mln and it earned 42.1 mln.

if you don't mind me asking how'd your finals go?

It made me curious as to why she needed to get money for Rose. I guess if a girl was short on cash, the others worked to help her out.

@@reikun86 Rose is her crush. The brunette girl doesn't want her to suffer poverty. So she sacrefices herself for her happiness.

@@finezyjnafantazja2495 Another commenter said it was her mother asking for money to help with rent. Edit; scratch that. That's probably not her mother. No indication that this was her crush either. She seemed really backed into a corner with Rose demanding money. Could be a friend or a roommate.

@@finezyjnafantazja2495 wtff her crush??? where did that come from

​@@finezyjnafantazja2495 rose is probably a adult woman and louise is 14...