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Low Cost Hydroforming 

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Low cost hydroforming on the Rainbow Aviation Video channel with your host Brian Carpenter. In this episode were going to be taking a look at a low cost way to manufacture your own aluminum hydro-formed parts.
This is a companion video for technically speaking article published in the May 2016 sport aviation magazine
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@nleroux
@nleroux 6 лет назад
To help prevent any cracks, Polish the forming radius of the forming block. Oil you block before putting you blank piece. You want a lubricant between your blank and your block. Use clevis pins for your locating pins: they are cheap, have a loose fit and a low head. Also always consider the grain direction of the aluminium. The best is to have the grain direction perpendicular to the forming radius (less cracking and stronger finished part) ...I've designed more than a 1000 of these forming tools over the last 20 years.
@tonyroma9046
@tonyroma9046 4 года назад
@MichaelKingsfordGray Oil?
@jamesbarratt593
@jamesbarratt593 4 года назад
Well well well. And just when you think youve seen everything, this comes along.
@javiervidaurre6325
@javiervidaurre6325 Год назад
Excellent! No fluff nor filler. Eye opener, thought provoking, I want one.
@rock3tcatU233
@rock3tcatU233 4 года назад
Wow, this is one of the most informative videos I've seen in a while.
@Tom-tk3du
@Tom-tk3du 4 года назад
Remarkable manufacturing technique. I've done a lot of machining/milling and composite work, but never this. Very cool.
@ronfad1756
@ronfad1756 6 лет назад
If you sprinkle talcum powder on both pieces of rubber it will flow much easier and last longer.We use rubber quite often in our shop for forming but mostly as a bottom die in a 150 ton press brake.
@brianelli8063
@brianelli8063 6 лет назад
Loved the fighter planes on the wall!!
@georgerichbark3064
@georgerichbark3064 6 лет назад
Wow...I have nothing I need to make but I want to go out and round up all the stuff for this rig. Amazingly cool. Subbed!
@rainman6272
@rainman6272 5 лет назад
The high school shop teacher I never had. Thanks brother!
@gregsmith8617
@gregsmith8617 6 лет назад
That was a great video and very informative, thank you for your efforts!
@tomsmith3045
@tomsmith3045 4 года назад
This is a fantastic video! No idea that something like this was possible.
@Hasherucf
@Hasherucf 7 лет назад
Impressive and great description !
@TimBradleyFromOz
@TimBradleyFromOz 6 лет назад
Not interested in forming. Well, not much. But I love videos like these packed. Useful information for us non-professional makers. Well done.
@loftsatsympaticodotc
@loftsatsympaticodotc 7 лет назад
Really great instructional video, clear instruction, well illustrated, good unity. Thank you bigly for creating same. :-)
@mareknosek9377
@mareknosek9377 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for the info and your professional advice.
@swarfmonster3998
@swarfmonster3998 4 года назад
Great video, fantastic information. Thanks
@acegofast1602
@acegofast1602 Месяц назад
Super informative. Thank you.
@colinleitch6245
@colinleitch6245 6 лет назад
This is Rubber Pressing by the Guerin method. Lurathane is a Polyurethane elastomer suitable for this process. Two one inch sheets can successfully be substituted for the two inch block. More complicated and larger pieces can be formed with the use of pressure intensifiers that assist the rubber to flow around the solid die. A second die with a bevel and a cutout in the shape of the first die with significant clearance ( an inch or more) around the first die.
@chuckintexas
@chuckintexas 6 лет назад
I'd be interested in seeing how that might work. Is there a link to a video anywhere ? VERY interesting idea - THANKS !
@colinleitch6245
@colinleitch6245 6 лет назад
Sorry Chuck I don't have a video just a couple of years experience pre 2000. We used to place the blank on top of the rubber and then drive the die down into it . Located the die on the blank with a couple of universal head rivets. Secured the rivets to the blank with sticky tape .
@JASPEAutomation
@JASPEAutomation 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this precious information, currently we want to build a bike frame with hidroforming this video is gold for us, thank you again!!!
@BobbyIronsights
@BobbyIronsights 4 года назад
I'm impressed, and believe this will be useful in many a home shop.
@raymondo162
@raymondo162 4 года назад
I see what you did there...………. impressed !!
@tesfayedejen9958
@tesfayedejen9958 6 лет назад
Great job, thanks a lot
@JLanc1982
@JLanc1982 4 года назад
Awesome video! These techniques can be useful to me! Im not building a plane but for simple parts for my jon boat!
@toms4123
@toms4123 4 года назад
Thank you, great idea
@cristianoluiz8281
@cristianoluiz8281 5 лет назад
Thank you!!! The best vídeo explication
@mdscownz
@mdscownz 4 года назад
If you're making smaller pieces you could use a hockey puck for the rubber blank. They're plentiful. Or the blocks they use for automotive lifts. They're relatively affordable, easy to find and come in many shapes and sizes
@mangolighters
@mangolighters 5 лет назад
exactly what i needed & more thank you so much 🙏🏻
@ctcboater
@ctcboater 5 лет назад
I've made dies from fiberglass with as much as 1.5" draw in mild steel. I use a 200 ton hydraulic press for pieces as big as 300 square inches. Instead of rubber, I make male and female dies.
@jameskeywood4503
@jameskeywood4503 6 лет назад
You can also try baby powder as the lubricant instead of lemon pledge. Put some between the tooling and the metal, too.
@FISHH00KS
@FISHH00KS 3 года назад
Simply Spectacular
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 4 года назад
Rainbow.... You are my sun shine ☀️
@blipco5
@blipco5 6 лет назад
Instead of dealing with an inner tube as a sacrificial medium...try using pieces of roll rubber roofing material. It's much tougher than inner tube. There are a couple of different thicknesses available but it's cheap and easy to cut and easy to work with.
@michaelhille261
@michaelhille261 4 года назад
Awesome video 👍🏻
@nevillecreativitymentor
@nevillecreativitymentor 4 года назад
2020 ... Thank you ... and Subscribed
@spilamigre2360
@spilamigre2360 7 лет назад
Thank you!
@culmalachie
@culmalachie 3 года назад
Learnt a few good things here for the NON_Aviation engineering sector -got that itch to go and try now - Corian? new name for me too Thanks for all!
@numbasixx
@numbasixx 11 месяцев назад
Can use a harbor freight log splitter as a press also. We use them for forge presses in blacksmithing. Cheap as hell and it can be used as a log splitter or a press just by fabricating some kind of quick(ish) die changing system.
@garymuncy1778
@garymuncy1778 7 месяцев назад
Excellent teaching ! 6061 T6 .010 thick material could be formed I believe . Hardcoat Anodizing could allow stiffness, and wear resistant surfaces, and color dying. I have c n c machined solid material, and your teaching teaches this. Thank you Thank you
@henrywilmanagudelogualdron5863
@henrywilmanagudelogualdron5863 2 года назад
Gracias por toda tu información
@59jm24
@59jm24 6 лет назад
I have made dies for rubber forming with glass reinforced bondo, works well for a limited number of parts.
@pgtmr2713
@pgtmr2713 3 года назад
I love tidbits like this. I wonder what kind of part you could get using bondo as the fluid under pressure. Keep it under pressure til the bondo cures. I can't think of any particular use atm.
@SuperYellowsubmarin
@SuperYellowsubmarin 6 лет назад
It's called rubber block forming ! Nice video by the way
@tootall5559
@tootall5559 6 лет назад
Thank you I do not build airplanes, mostly just from lack of funds and a place to build it. However, I do small metal working projects, and this may work for them, tho the box itself will be much smaller.
@cannaroe1213
@cannaroe1213 4 года назад
You should blend your rubber into chunks, making bags of different densities, mixed with different dyes. Red for high, blue for low, etc. Then "pour" this rubber into box to give a differential gradient by mixing them. If the rubber is not only of varying colour but also varying size, you could quickly filter them back out into bags afterwards, and refresh the bags from time to time.
@RainbowAviation
@RainbowAviation 4 года назад
The biggest problem with this approach is getting the small chunks in between the metal to be formed and the mold. If we use sacrificial rubber that is all tore up we have the same problem. If used with a single sheet of rubber and then the chunks, the process would probably work well. Good thinking.
@daveprototype6079
@daveprototype6079 4 года назад
great video new subscriber cheers
@stylinstu
@stylinstu 6 лет назад
Great! Now I know what to do with my empty beer cans.
@georgerichbark3064
@georgerichbark3064 6 лет назад
Mind blown
@jamesbarratt593
@jamesbarratt593 3 года назад
I went out and bought myself two 100 tonne hydraulic cylinders and a pump to drive them at 700 bar. yep I am going to make a press and then do this. awesome. oh and one last thing. the most important think. thank you
@Chavagnatze
@Chavagnatze 6 лет назад
This is really elastomeric forming.
@Taluvian
@Taluvian 6 лет назад
Rubber Pad Forming or Guerin Stamping.
@chuckintexas
@chuckintexas 6 лет назад
Yes, with the elastomer acting as one of two FLUIDS in the process.
@markvincentcocjin
@markvincentcocjin 6 лет назад
Have you ever experimented on using tiny rubber beads suspended in slippery fluid instead? Your press could have weep holes where you can recycle the fluid on the next press.
@airbornearchitect7062
@airbornearchitect7062 Год назад
cool video....
@LFOD7491
@LFOD7491 4 года назад
Like the old joke, "To become a millionaire, first, get a million dollars." In this case, "To use this simple method of forming parts, first, get a die made."
@MrKkdkk
@MrKkdkk 4 года назад
@MichaelKingsfordGray but don't you need a backyard shed to do that?
@latenttweet
@latenttweet 4 года назад
Just have a company make it it won’t be that much then you can make 1,000 of them that die will last forever. If you don’t need large quantities then you shouldn’t even be looking at this method
@Asdayasman
@Asdayasman 3 года назад
@@MrKkdkk Just press your backyard shed out of aluminium with this device!
@robertweekley5926
@robertweekley5926 3 года назад
"First, you Die, Then you Fly!" 😁😃
@DrFiero
@DrFiero 4 года назад
Little late to comment here, but... Ever see how Colin Furze did hydroforming with a pressure washer?
@first25q43
@first25q43 8 месяцев назад
I worked in the lighting industry. A lot of the shapes were parabolic. We used 1100-0
@QuentinKarmark
@QuentinKarmark Год назад
hello, I found the rubber suitable for making the forming block for my project.... I see you have made plans for making the plunger as well to fit inside the box. I assume constructing the plunger is cheaper than sourcing a very thick steel plate?
@autophyte
@autophyte 6 лет назад
Consuela; "We need more Lemon Pledge". "We don't supply that. You should just bring it from home". "Noooo"
@Kori114
@Kori114 6 лет назад
Beat me to it. LOL
@YankeeinSC1
@YankeeinSC1 4 года назад
@@Kori114 yep me too. "You people need to bring your own lemon pledge..." "nooooo"
@jorgefpujadas
@jorgefpujadas 4 года назад
very intresting and nice info but wich part of this is exactly hidroforming?
@thomashvnmusic
@thomashvnmusic 5 лет назад
Cool.
@piotrlenarczyk5803
@piotrlenarczyk5803 6 лет назад
Is it reasonable to use pressed fiber glass epoxed with steel wool composite with such hydraulic hoist?
@coburnlowman
@coburnlowman 6 лет назад
Every time Lemon Pledge was said I thought of Conswala from Family Guy.
@alext8828
@alext8828 Год назад
Have you tried using a pressure washer to develop the pressure needed?
@Kulis747
@Kulis747 2 года назад
What was the aircraft you were working on? The low wing single seat pusher.
@amedeekingchef6552
@amedeekingchef6552 4 года назад
I use Hockey puck as rubber. perfect for small parts.
@RainbowAviation
@RainbowAviation 4 года назад
I use a hard durometer rubber for increasing definition in localized areas. The puck would work great for that.
@robertlafnear4865
@robertlafnear4865 4 года назад
I use a gym weight lifters matt... cheap, bouncy ( about a 50 shore or so ) and cheap from American floor mats. FYI
@NOBOX7
@NOBOX7 7 лет назад
hello friend , have you considered using a smaller die pad for smaller objects to increase the force ?
@NathanNostaw
@NathanNostaw 7 лет назад
Considering the rubber is only in contact with the small die it is still transferring max force to the part.
@mfs5493
@mfs5493 4 года назад
The captions are a hoot - did you not think of checking them before publishing this?
@kraftrad7840
@kraftrad7840 4 года назад
use lubricant under the sheet metal too
@davidwilkie9551
@davidwilkie9551 6 лет назад
Nifty
@eflanagan1921
@eflanagan1921 6 лет назад
I think that your locating pins should be as rounded and low as possible. The hex corners prevent smooth flow of the rubber towards acted on material. Also, the sharp corners of the hex are what tears the inner tube sacrificial material.
@nleroux
@nleroux 6 лет назад
E Flanagan use clevis pins
@greggeshelman
@greggeshelman 6 лет назад
Button head bolts would work better.
@RainbowAviation
@RainbowAviation 6 лет назад
I readily concur, our normal locating pin is a used clevis bolt with a
@BeachsideHank
@BeachsideHank 5 лет назад
Flat head capscrews, then you can get a formed countersink too.
@seansteele1269
@seansteele1269 Месяц назад
When I was making countertops I would give the good customers a cutting board to match their countertops made out of that sink cutout run a router around it twice and poof happy people that get you more work.
@moodberry
@moodberry 4 года назад
I learned something. Thanks. But I wonder what kind of press you used for the larger wing parts?
@RainbowAviation
@RainbowAviation 4 года назад
I have a Big monster press. 400 tons.
@aaronanthonymoat
@aaronanthonymoat 3 года назад
There's a documentary about the largest press. Germany had the largest untill America created the largest. Worth a watch. Very interesting
@crypkrazee1903
@crypkrazee1903 6 лет назад
awesome work!
@michaelmilberger9013
@michaelmilberger9013 4 года назад
what are the advantages of this type of forming vs a two piece die?
@CozzyKnowsBest
@CozzyKnowsBest 4 года назад
This video was very informative and a good alternative to the pressure washer technique. I'd love to try it but I only have pine pledge. Sigh.
@alexpowers3697
@alexpowers3697 4 года назад
Corian is extremely lung hazardous according to my friend with slicosis.
@mattd1188
@mattd1188 4 года назад
@MichaelKingsfordGray Well, sure.. If you know to use safety precautions. Personally, I wasn't aware of the dangers.
@enderw88
@enderw88 6 лет назад
What is the airframe at 3:18?
@stuartkeithguitars4251
@stuartkeithguitars4251 6 лет назад
Consider RF welding TPU to make your bladders. It costs pennies a bladder and stays glued inside the part. your latex bladder only last so long and then they break off inside the part as they age. The TPU stays bound to the epoxy forever.
@scottwillis5434
@scottwillis5434 4 года назад
Bladders?
@pcbondart
@pcbondart 6 лет назад
Really cool, one question, why is the box so big, if pressure is a "precious" commodity? Would you have more available pressure with say, a 6 x6 inch box?
@RainbowAviation
@RainbowAviation 6 лет назад
The answer is, of course, is yes. The trick is to balance all of the aspects of the box to make it the most usable possible. The primary criteria is the size of part and the thickness of material that you're trying to form. If all you had to make was one specific part, you would probably size the box specifically for that purpose. The other criteria is you may have a press with much more capability than the simple 20 tons available from the cheapo harbor freight press. In our shop we actually have a 200 ton press and a box that is 16" x 24". We
@preciousplasticph
@preciousplasticph 4 года назад
print the die? or a resin print die?
@dc85337
@dc85337 6 лет назад
You should try PAM spray. It is more slick.
@TheArsonsmith4242
@TheArsonsmith4242 4 года назад
wonder if the solid rubber floor mats might be a good cheap source or rubber? about 1/2" thinkness glued together. I may have to do this. Thanks for the video.
@RainbowAviation
@RainbowAviation 4 года назад
I'm sure that the floor mats would work. Good idea. the point here is. "low Cost".
@theotherebikeguy1473
@theotherebikeguy1473 2 года назад
TPU rubber floor mat. It’s basically hard but foamed.
@toranacar
@toranacar 7 лет назад
This is awesome. Im trying to use this technique to form some automotive panels. Anymore advice would be great, ill have a closer look at you RU-vid channel for more info. Thanks
@pgtmr2713
@pgtmr2713 3 года назад
I was going to ask what you're building then realized... Torana, durr :-D I'm American. I checked out the startup, cool swap!
@MyCBCMedia
@MyCBCMedia 7 лет назад
Subscribed :) Thank you for sharing this impressive process, seems like a nice pair to bucks which are 3D printed at 100% fill, or MDF routed with the affordable "Makesmith CNC" My question/request if you please: Would you repeat your hydroforming technique with the use of fill from a $10 bag of "recycled rubber mulch" from a garden store? I know how useful a press is, but I'm interested in your assessment of the expensive rubber block compared to mulch. Many thanks again for this great video!!
@scottwillis5434
@scottwillis5434 4 года назад
I think you want sheet, in order to provide even pressure. Mulch would have all kinds of air gaps, and squeezing those out would divert some of the pressure. Also you might not have consistent rubber hardness, also there might be steel strands in shredded tires...
@chapiit08
@chapiit08 4 года назад
Thumbs up, what else? I'm speechless...
@subjectofgov
@subjectofgov 4 года назад
Would any of these home shop methods work on regular sheet metal for old tractor parts?
@tomhaskell9188
@tomhaskell9188 6 лет назад
Have you ever tried hydro forming small stringers from 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/16T 2024T3? If so, can you give some recommendations? Examples of the blocks used?
@RainbowAviation
@RainbowAviation 6 лет назад
I have not tried the use of the performer for stringers. It would seem that stringers would be easier to manufacture using a sheet-metal brake.
@BrianIreland-mi4ut
@BrianIreland-mi4ut 3 месяца назад
What is the airplane at 7:12 ?
@jessuproerig939
@jessuproerig939 4 года назад
I'm pretty sure my grandfather, bill roerig airplane is in that issue
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 6 лет назад
I only have Forest Fruit Pledge, will that be OK?
@iaincampbell4527
@iaincampbell4527 6 лет назад
How did you cut out your template that accurately with those lugs?
@iaincampbell4527
@iaincampbell4527 6 лет назад
Why no answer?
@vintageludwig
@vintageludwig 4 года назад
The rubber doesnt even have to be that thick either to get this effect. I can do this stuff with 1/8" thick Neoprene.
@DARKredDOLLAR
@DARKredDOLLAR 5 лет назад
If I have big variating radiuses on a small part, say a spline s curve, will hydroforming be effective enough against aluminum returning to its original shape?
@latenttweet
@latenttweet 4 года назад
Consequilla: “WEe need more lemon pledge”
@johnfraser4591
@johnfraser4591 4 года назад
"By using lemon Pledge as a lubricant" Nice.
@Tom-tk3du
@Tom-tk3du 4 года назад
Most of my pilot friends use Lemon Pledge to clean our airplanes. A versatile product!
@tihzho
@tihzho 4 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-v-Hg0BHpij8.html
@robertweekley5926
@robertweekley5926 3 года назад
How about forming Vehicle Replacement Floor Pans, from Sheet Steel? What kind of Press (Pressure) would that require? How about Making the Dies in a "Progressive Step Sequence", where each Die moves the metal towards the Final shape a % of the movement at a time? Say, Die #1 moves the metal 25% of the target shape; then Die #2, another 25%; Die #3 - another 25%; & Due #4, the Last 25%? This way, you could also have the Benefit of more steps with Lubricants allowing the Metal you are forming, to "Slide" as it moves, instead of "Gripping" to the Die, or the Rubber!
@mackk123
@mackk123 4 года назад
11x11 is 121 plus or minus 1 so youre still within print
@pyromaniac354
@pyromaniac354 2 года назад
No no no.Me have no lemon pledge yet
@samualwhittemore228
@samualwhittemore228 4 года назад
Do you know of anyone using horse stall matt? They sell it at tractor supply in different thicknesses. I have a sheet of 3/4".
@Kane-ib5sn
@Kane-ib5sn 9 месяцев назад
might want to look into a more tonnage on the hydraulic jack...20 tons does not seem to be enough, to get fine detail.
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 6 лет назад
Wonder how a non newtonian fluid would work? How about plasticine? Silly putty (also non newtonian)? I think the harder rubber works because pressure is not lost from getting squeezed out the edges from sloppy fitting pressure plate. The inner tube rubber is much softer.
@ajwalou-nack2343
@ajwalou-nack2343 4 года назад
Good call . Why not ?
@antigen4
@antigen4 4 года назад
can't you saturate your MDF in a high strength epoxy to make it more durable?
@Eluderatnight
@Eluderatnight 4 года назад
For the love of all that is holy get the HF pnuematic jack for the press.
4 года назад
hydro??
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