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Low Power Arduino! Power Supply Considerations p1 

Kevin Darrah
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In this video I'll talk about some of the things you need to watch out for when designing a power supply for low power applications - specifically low quiescent current draw. I'll test three common linear regulators and show you what the current draw is when no load is attached. Just a quick one here to hopefully help you choose the right supply for the job. We can get into other things with power supplies as well and show off some nice DC-DC switch mode regulators as well.
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Комментарии : 73   
@mutantthegreat7963
@mutantthegreat7963 3 года назад
I had quite good results using a zener diode, and resistor above it, feeding into a triple darlington transistor. The output of the emitter gave me around 3.5v but the quiescent current was sub micro-amp range because I was using a 1M resistor feeding into the zener. Not great voltage regulation, but super low standby current. i.e. decades on a 9v battery.
@StateofElectronics
@StateofElectronics 8 лет назад
Love your thorough investigation of "low power" things ... Keep it up. Love to see more about higher voltage sources transformed down to lower working voltages (24v/12v sources efficiently reduced to 3.3v) for things like the ESP8266. The high current draw of the ESP8266 when transmitting places some challenging design techniques into play. I would love to see what your approach would be to solve this. Thanks again for a great series.
@fuzzy1dk
@fuzzy1dk 8 лет назад
+State of Electronics hard to beat the price and simplicity of dc-dc modules like this: www.ebay.com/itm//272041589000
@Kevindarrah
@Kevindarrah 8 лет назад
+Lasse Langwadt Christensen yea, those are nice but you've gotta watch the current draw from the resistor feedback network. I'll make a part 2 on DC-DC regulators and explain this as well as test some of these cheap modules
@fuzzy1dk
@fuzzy1dk 8 лет назад
+Kevin Darrah correct, if the not the feedback the quiescent current to run the switcher can easily be in mAs so in systems that spend a significant amount of time in sleep modes using 10's of uA a linear regulator could easily win on efficiency. The most efficient would be to combine the two and only enable the switcher at high current draws
@susanagodinho1909
@susanagodinho1909 8 лет назад
+Lasse Langwadt Christensen Depends what your input is: 5 to 3.3V conversion using LDO's probably wins every time if the regulator has a low quiescen current (not a NCP1117 as often used on arduino) with 66% efficiency. From 12v... hardly. If you're operating from a single lithium cell and you need 5V, however a linear regulator wont do, unless you're using a charge pump. I guess we can have the same discussion when it comes to synchronous versus non synchronous rectification for SM regulators ;)
@dixman666
@dixman666 7 лет назад
Hi!, thank you for yours videos, I am learning a lot, I just discover you today. Can I ask something?.. I need to power an ESP8266 from 12V, all the time this 12V are OFF, when 12V comes up, ESP goes up, work for 5minutes and goes to sleep until 12V goes down, because 12V work only 5 minutes. In this case, Can I use a LD1117v33? with head sink...I am stack with this, if you can answer me.... I really thank you.
@enginbilgi
@enginbilgi 8 лет назад
I suggest MCP1702-3302 250 mA load 2 uA quiescent Current 0.5 V dropout
@parkerjohn2459
@parkerjohn2459 8 лет назад
I like these "low power" videos.
@alerey4363
@alerey4363 5 лет назад
I commented about the same conceptual error but in a direct non-ironical way
@vojjta96
@vojjta96 6 лет назад
HT7533-1 TO92 HOLTEK Iout = 100 mA Uin = 26V max Iq = 2,5 uA typical Iq = 4 uA maximal When you dont take much current and have big input voltage - this is your choice :)
@SyedRizvii
@SyedRizvii 8 лет назад
Nice one as usual Kevin. Few months ago I got into some NRF module related condition monitoring project and power saving was paramount for the project to move forward. Had to dig into some fundamental stuff. However during my initial research I couldn't find a comprehensive guide on battery power evaluation i.e. predicting a like for like project life calculator based on current draw and the chemistry of the battery. It would be really nice to see something around this topic. Working out the power consumption i.e. sleep and wake cycles then predicting life based on the battery chemistry/mAh/C etc to be used for the project. Great work for building up this video resource!
@garthhowe297
@garthhowe297 8 лет назад
I'm just loving these power videos... thanks Kevin
@jtreg
@jtreg 8 лет назад
very helpful, not only the content but your excellent approach
@jeremiasberrutti5453
@jeremiasberrutti5453 6 лет назад
Good work. Exelent for ardruino, for not destroid exits of ardruino.
@Isuis66
@Isuis66 6 лет назад
Since you mentioned it (@6:40)... I would quite enjoy a comparison of linear vs switched buck regulators and there merits within different project scopes.
@darkobul1
@darkobul1 8 лет назад
great series Kevin!
8 лет назад
This is very interesting since I've been thinking about making some kind of datalogger for my caravan which sits unused for a couple of months during winter. Maybe with wireless capability to upload the data somewhere.
@CiroPeixoto
@CiroPeixoto 8 лет назад
Congratulations!! Very good work!!!
@aiden1015
@aiden1015 8 лет назад
I was curious why you weren't investigating the SMPS drop in replacements for LDOs, but another draw back you didn't mention with switch-modes is that they're at their worst efficiency in low power conditions, and LDOs could be more efficient in low power states, which is the state the uC will be in most of the time.
@Kevindarrah
@Kevindarrah 8 лет назад
+aiden1015 yep, that will be in p2 - good point about SMPS efficiency - thanks for adding that
@TechInventorAman
@TechInventorAman 8 лет назад
If you are talking about efficiency then i'll recommend you to use a switching regulator
@oneofus7828
@oneofus7828 8 лет назад
Good video production tutorial.
@mayurbalwani7277
@mayurbalwani7277 8 лет назад
Great video Kevin! Thank you very much! Your entire low power Arduino series has greatly helped me with my projects and it is indeed very informative!! Thank you!
@proyectosledar
@proyectosledar 8 лет назад
good work
@darkstarzmyhome
@darkstarzmyhome 8 лет назад
Thank you!
@3adelz90
@3adelz90 8 лет назад
Thanks for the great video. It is really helpful. Can you please guide me to the low current consumption LDO which you have mentioned that it can deliver 120mA which low quiescent current ?
@marcelocerri3779
@marcelocerri3779 8 лет назад
Hey, great video! What kind of equipament do you recommend for hobbyst that want to measure or test power consumption in their projects? I was considering to buy a slightly better DMM, but I'm not sure if that is a good idea.
@NeonblueIndustries
@NeonblueIndustries 5 лет назад
Why use Linear voltage Regs at all! they waist so much power to heat. I've found using a little dc-dc buck converter along side my Arduino. Works great, no heat and can supply up to 2A.
@MPElectronique
@MPElectronique 4 года назад
Kévin Darrah i TRIED the 3, i run blink sketch on a Esp8266 and it went down to 3.20v so the Esp8266 stops blinking... :(
@iantcroft
@iantcroft 6 лет назад
+Kevin Darrah thanks for the great videos on power saving, I have watched most of them and they have been very helpful. Reading through the comments you said you were going to go into buck converter/regulators, did you ever get round to making a video on these? I am currently on a low power project using sleep modes (328p, Gsm & Gps modules) currently powered off of 2 dc-dc step down buck converters 5v&4v. I have measured 10ma quiescent current from each buck converter. I would like this project to be battery powered (Lipo) so the buck converters are out of the question. I was thinking of powering all three from a lipo (lowering everything to 3.3-4v) without any regulation. Do you or anyone else have any advice/recommendations on the best route to take to power this project?
@DogRox
@DogRox 8 лет назад
Very informative! good job :-)
@Bruder_chill
@Bruder_chill 8 лет назад
good video
@suhasr6621
@suhasr6621 8 лет назад
Hi Kevin, can you give the link to the Li battery board you showed at the end of video?
@HomoSapiensMember
@HomoSapiensMember 4 года назад
new to low power regs here; have a question on the shown configs here: how much noise do these add?
@josealfredobh
@josealfredobh 8 лет назад
Great Kevin. Tihs video helped me a lot. Can you tell us your point of view, or your considerations, in respect the use of voltage dividers to get a Vout of 3.3V?
@Kevindarrah
@Kevindarrah 8 лет назад
you mean regulators with an adjust pin? or using two resistors as voltage regulators?
@josealfredobh
@josealfredobh 8 лет назад
+Kevin Darrah two resistors as a voltage divider
@mayurbalwani7277
@mayurbalwani7277 8 лет назад
I don't think using two resistors and making a voltage divider works good as a power supply. People use this trick to step down the voltage, but the load in the parallel to the second resistor, or the resistor that generates the desired voltages across it, has a very very large load across it and the currents are flowing at the signal levels and hence it works. When it comes to an actual device or a load, which demands current, the actual equivalent resistance isn't the same. The configurations change entirely! The voltage fluctuates and that depends upon the load. Voltage divider works as long as there is no change in the network configuration, but as long as you connect a load, configuration isn't the same anymore. That's why engineers have build "Voltage regulators" which, despite any change in the load demand, keep the voltage at the output constant by the closed loop feedback. But you can still use Zener diode based voltage regulator if you don't want to run into the complex and fancy stuff like DC-DC boost converter. It is simple and fairly keeps the voltage across it constant.
@simondid
@simondid 8 лет назад
so i been reading around the web that the esp8266 only has a few periodes off time where it goes above 200ma cut i use a chip with a lower output and then use a capacitor in series with the regulatores output to handle the peak current above 200ma?
@GerardWassink
@GerardWassink 4 года назад
How do they behave under load?
@DuongTrongHue
@DuongTrongHue 8 лет назад
Nice
@hawkagent
@hawkagent 8 лет назад
What would be an efficient 5V regulator?
@Techn0man1aclive
@Techn0man1aclive 8 лет назад
Спасибо.
@slap_my_hand
@slap_my_hand 8 лет назад
Can a 16x2 LCD with no backlight run on 3.3v? And how much current would it draw?
@rpdigital17
@rpdigital17 7 лет назад
Yes, 50% of the 16x2 LCD siaplays can run on 3.3V. Typ: 2.5mA, max: 3.5mA for some models, search for datasheet!
@notionSunday
@notionSunday 8 лет назад
Hey, whats up guys? I always say that before the video starts.
@user-kr5uj4jf2u
@user-kr5uj4jf2u 7 лет назад
Hi , In my batteries powered project I need minimum current consumption so I decided to use the TC1262 thanks to you. Unfortunately the blinking led wont run on esp8266 12E |: with the AMS1117 it is working perfect...I read that the esp12 requires 3.3V power voltage and peaks at 500mA when i read the Data-sheet of TC1262 I see that its maximum output current is 500mA....Can it be the problem ?
@Kevindarrah
@Kevindarrah 7 лет назад
maybe, but I think the 1262 can handle quick 500mA peaks...
@user-kr5uj4jf2u
@user-kr5uj4jf2u 7 лет назад
Please i beg you i am stuck with this problem long time www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12306 www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11390
@Kevindarrah
@Kevindarrah 7 лет назад
that is very strange - that last video I made with the radar gun had some serious peak currents - average of over 250mA and I used the 1262 for that project with no problem. Eh, try throwing down 100uF caps across the in and out caps.
@user-kr5uj4jf2u
@user-kr5uj4jf2u 7 лет назад
I will give it a try but I see on this video that you used also 5V from the serial adapter+batteries . did u try'd the regulator with batteries only with esp8266 ?
@Kevindarrah
@Kevindarrah 7 лет назад
nope haven't tried running with batteries
@alerey4363
@alerey4363 5 лет назад
when u talk about power u talk about Watts, not voltage; or if u are saying "the arduino uses 3.3V levels" then u talk about current consumption, in amperes, to give notion of power
@simondid
@simondid 8 лет назад
what do you think off this circuit blog.zakkemble.co.uk/a-lithium-battery-charger-with-load-sharing/ for low power arduino esp8266 applications pared with a li-ion / lipo battery ? if what wut you change?
@maxdenis9361
@maxdenis9361 5 лет назад
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@OtakuSanel
@OtakuSanel 8 лет назад
"Low Power Arduino" and linear regulators do not go together. What's the point of even comparing linear regulators when there's a far superior option available that's just as easy to use. seems like a bunch of wasted effort
@AdiosBK
@AdiosBK 8 лет назад
+OtakuSanel Could you please explain little bit what other options do you mean. If you have links to video or blog post please share )
@jasonfoster5560
@jasonfoster5560 8 лет назад
+OtakuSanel Buck Convertor?
@OtakuSanel
@OtakuSanel 8 лет назад
+Ivan Romanenko switch mode regulators(Buck to lower and Boost to increase voltage). once you get past the most basic of electronics they are used absolutely everywhere and real low power application use them exclusively since they can be over 90% efficient. linear regulators are horrendously inefficient and just waste tons of power.
@OtakuSanel
@OtakuSanel 8 лет назад
+Big Jay yup. if he wants to do anything low power he should be comparing various buck converters. any buck will beat any linear but then there are various buck converters depending on your needs with varying efficiency so comparing them would make sense. comparing linear regs for low power applications makes absolutely no sense.
@Kevindarrah
@Kevindarrah 8 лет назад
+OtakuSanel Yea, this is just part1 to this series. I'll get into Buck switch mode regulators, but even with them you'll have to watch out for quiescent current draw. I was just thinking about this and how it would be cool to see how much longer (theoretically) you could run off a battery with a switch mode converter - I could show it by the numbers and see things like if you have 50mA bursts for 100ms, what is equivalent drain when you're in standby mode?
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