Lowrance Active Target vs Garmin Livescope - Understanding Forward Imaging Cone Angles Pt 1

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After reviewing multiple videos comparing the Lowrance Active Target to the Garmin Livescope forward sonar systems and seeing only what appeared to be very subjective material I decided to take a deeper dive into the systems and compare the one significant difference I could find, the Lowrance 18 x 135 degree cone angle vs the Garmin 20 x 135 degree cone. This is video one where we first explore what cone angles are, and how they differ for traditional 2D sonar with round cones to Side, Down and Forward imaging which shoot various styles of elongated cones. We then explore how that determines how much of the water in front of us we are looking at on a horizontal axis and how much difference those cones may impact the clarity of the targets we are viewing. In part 2 we explore the Lowrance Scout and Garmin Perspective modes and what how those same cones impact what we are able to see in those modes.
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@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Guys this afternoon (April 8th) I got an email response from Lowrance's techies and in fact we were correct, the Active Target is an 18 x 135 cone angle. Also additional confirmation to something else I said in this video or in part 2 still to come, if you "google" looking for the cone angle you will get 40 degrees. Lowrance tech confirmed that the older technology, Live Sight, was in fact a 40 x 90 degree cone angle. Which I guess would be like beer goggles.... needless to say users of that first technology experienced something on the order of what we estimated in this video, two times the coverage area got you 1/2 the definition of a given target

@dannyhocutt8490 Год назад

Thank you for the time your u tube helps us all are able to go fish great job !!!!

@KenSmithFishing Год назад

Glad to help

@robertdouglas9345 3 года назад

All great videos my friend! Sincerely appreciate the honesty, candor in your videos. Keep up the good work!

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Thanks Robert!

@Leebr1966 3 года назад

Another great video Ken! Having used both Garmin and Lowrance, there's little difference when they are dialed in. The worst thing about both units is watching fish look at your baits without a bite. I think you can rest assure the argument is the one you know how to use the best is the BEST.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Cliff I now tell myself not to worry that those are ALWAYS catfish that don't commit...😅

@steveking8548 3 года назад

Thanks for ANOTHER great video!!!

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

You bet!

@j.d.stauffer7510 3 года назад

I agree that Lowrance customer service is non-existent. I had a graph go out last year and had no luck with Lowrance. Even under warranty they only offered me 10% off a new unit, and that was after wasting a day on the phone. I switched to all Garmin immediately. I called Garmin and within a minute was speaking to an American at their factory in Kansas. Garmin FTW!

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

So here's a question for you, if any of these companies had a "higher level" of customer service department, like a dedicated unit, that it cost say $30 a year to access, would you do it. Maybe it had guarantee of a live person (that knows their stuff) on the phone within 5 mins? Likewise would you buy extended warranties if you could?

@mikekeller8660 3 года назад

What would be SUPER interesting is after Humminbird comes out with their version of forward facing sonar, to get in a boat, test all three using same screen size for each brand, with you and Jones Trolling Motor's best sonar tech. THAT would get a lot of attention and decide true winner.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Mike I have to think there is technology out there now that would allow you to monitor any of these by Bluetooth on an iPad. There would be some tiny delay, but it’s an interesting thought

@markeustice618 3 года назад

I have not seen garmin but love my active target so far.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

I think both are solid products with little variance

@dennysheraka1655 3 года назад

great info

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@chriscarey1985 3 года назад

My experience so far has been excellent with Lowrance customer service. I had an issue with my ghost trolling motor a couple weeks ago. I was able to call lowrance tech support while on the water and get going again.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Chris that is good to hear, curious if you would share for the guys what number you called?

@chriscarey1985 3 года назад

@@KenSmithFishing sure, I clicked through the contact menu for tech support/ trouble shooting. Called 1-800-628-4487 and I believe there was a tech support option. Don’t remember how long I was on hold before I got through. It wasn’t super long.

@dustyculjan5920 2 месяца назад

So if I were to keep my forward range in the 60 foot plus range and simply zoom in on the screen it would in theory make locating smaller crappie jigs casted much more efficient? I'm just looking for some help in consistently being able to locate my baits in windy situations where the boat moves a few feet on spotlock.

@randycooper2046 3 года назад

Ken, I'm a retired engineer myself. I just like to say that no sonar, side imaging or regular shoots an elongated (egg shaped) cone. It's elongated because its shooting at an angle to the bottom. Take a flashlight, point it straight down, you see a perfect circle. Now turn the flashlight at a 45° angle and the light pattern will become elongated. Just wanted to clarify that.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Randy I am certainly not an engineer, I actually might be an anti-engineer as I have a history of taking things apart and not being able to reassemble. However if you go to Garmin's transducers on the spec pages for DI and Forward transducers it literally says on the spec's page "elongated cones". And further if the dimensions are 18 x 135 or 20 x 135, again not an engineer, but those aren't round, they are something other than round?

@txman201 3 года назад

I deleted my previous reply to take a different stab at answering. Yes, you're correct that a single crystal will always emit a uniform cone, and this will be seen on the target area when the crystal's face is parallel to the target area (lake bottom or any 2 dimensional plane in the water in front of the crystal). You point out that the resulting "paint" of the target area will become elliptical when the crystal is pivoted to some angle other than perpendicular to the target area. That too is correct. However, neither of these products use a single crystal in their transducer module. The transducer modules contain an array of numerous crystals placed at different angles with respect to each other. Some of these do in fact mimic the flashlight beam aimed at a wall while tilted to other than perpendicular. The sum total of the effect of the crystal orientation encased in the plastic module creates a combined elliptical "beam" of energy. For application purposes, it is this "beam" that actually IS elliptical in structure. While it is made up of many crystals, we treat it as one functionally, hence Ken's terminology. I believe I have even seen such references in marketing materials for the products at one time or another.

@randycooper2046 3 года назад

Ok, well I can understand that. Multiple sources, arranged in an oval pattern, could effectively create an oval shaped return. I guess I hadn't considered that. I just knew that any single source could not. Thanks for the additional info. 👍

@randycooper2046 3 года назад

Hey Ken, txman201 really explained it very well which makes what you originally said correct. Sorry for the confusion.

@txman201 3 года назад

@@randycooper2046 thanks. We struggled with how to establish understandable nomenclature, which would normally be defined in a more technical work, but we didn't want to bore fishermen to tears!

@klfer 3 года назад

Hope you check out mega live when it gets released.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

I'm starting to think of Mega Live like Bigfoot, something I really want to believe is out there, but never seems to materialize....

@klfer 3 года назад

@@KenSmithFishing Agreed, I saw the oculus transducer and people saying they make it for humminbird. Only time will tell haha

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

@@klfer Was Bigfoot wearing it as a bracelet?

@klfer 3 года назад

@@KenSmithFishing I didn't have mega live to confirm it! 🤣

@waynewalters5813 3 года назад

Lowrance has had a terrible roll out with bad transducers something to consider. Garmin has been on the water much longer and tons of guys have them. They all will have issues just cruise the BBC boards. And if you don’t spend enough time learning the technology it will be tough to benefit from the investment. Ken you may also want to talk about the trolling motor part of the technology. Depending on the brand of TM will dictate the units to pair in order to use all the features networked together.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Wayne....great minds think alike, cover it in part 2

@ezed3354 3 года назад

As a former USAMP, retired LEO, and current LTC instructor. Why is your two tone pistol on your desk facing in the general direction of yourself? Be careful.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Edward first thanks for your service!!!! It was there to remind me before I went to bed to store safely where our toddler couldn't get to it, it was empty with no clip, we practice safe firearms....but that said, I am in need of a small safe for the downstairs, something big enough to store a single pistol in, you have any recommendation's? Also if I get one is there a way to keep moisture out of it, something I fight in the big safe constantly?

@BSmith-qt7ev 3 года назад

Try using the small silica packs that come in shoes....or try damp rid.... Also....clips are for small stacks of paper....lol.... Taylor at Jones TM is legit

@vSwampFox 3 года назад

Always love the videos....but ... I’ve never heard someone use the term agnostic in that way. Sounded like a weird way to describe being neutral? Ah well whatever lol

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

trying to show off my Univ of Arkansas finance degree..... in a “non-religious” context agnostic is “having a non-committal attitude towards something”..which you probably already knew!

@vSwampFox 3 года назад

@@KenSmithFishing haha! Right on! Cheers!

@jeremyjohnston2583 3 года назад

Live scope has a clearer image

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Jeremy based on what I saw I can't really see a difference, but technically it should be the other way around

@jeremyjohnston2583 3 года назад

@@KenSmithFishing have played with both a lot. Garmin has more detail and easier to find your lure. Other than that they are pretty close. I used both for weeks back and forth on buddies boat. We both choose live scope. He even switched. To each his own. But I get your video. Great job on all videos by the way!

@ronswinford4952 3 года назад

The issue with Lowrance has been customer service for the last decade. No one there knows anything, and getting a call back is almost impossible.

@mikekeller8660 3 года назад

Exactly. I've been a Lowrance guy my entire fishing life, with good results so far. But, because of their absolutely terrible customer service reputation, unless it is vastly improved and brought back to Tulsa, where it belongs, I will probably be going to Humminbird or Garmin on my next boat.

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

They have to know this is a problem, right?

@mikekeller8660 3 года назад

@@KenSmithFishing The other day in our Rogers,Ar. Cabelas store a Lowrance rep was in the store for a while helping customers with Lowrance units. I let him know in a pretty blunt way that their customer service was costing them customers BIG TIME. He said he was aware of this and was screaming this to the higher ups. He said I was the third person to tell him this that day and was in the process of firing texts up the chain about this subject as I was talking to him. Hopefully Lowrance will pull their heads out and fix this SOON as I really like their products.

@danielmckeen2465 3 года назад

Ken there is a deference😁it's a rich man's toy and a poor man's wish list😜.My question is🤓do I need to ask Permission from the wife before I buy it?😬🤓

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Daniel, I think she needs this for Mothers day...

@jrags35 3 года назад

@@KenSmithFishing lol you sell divorce insurance also .....lol

@danielmckeen2465 3 года назад

Now that's a good idea.I'll try it😁

@chrisayotte8080 3 года назад

Am I the only one whos going to acknowledge he has a pistol on his desk pointed toward him? blink twice if you are being held hostage and having to make youtube videos!

@KenSmithFishing 3 года назад

Chris I’m being held here along with Brittney Spears....