Loyalty & Sacrifice | SHOGUN [1x8] (REACTION) 

Yeah, wasn't expecting to cry, but the tears were flowing with Hiromatsu's death. It seems like he realizes, after he pledged to commit Seppuku, that Toranaga was still trying to fight, but went through with it anyways so his plan wouldn't fall apart. A legendary friend.

You’re looking at it from a very modern perspective. Leaving out their culture at the time of honour and duty, and of how they see death. Hiromatsu martyred himself in duty to his cause. It’s upsetting, absolutely, I have to admit I even teared up a little. Very tense scene, unlike many I’ve ever seen. This show truly is next level.

I'm sorry but Hiromatsu HAD to die. At that point Toranaga's men and enemies both sides believed he was planning something, getting ready for war, both sides were expecting him to act. But now after seeing that not even Hiromatsu's seppuku could change his mind, everyone is finally convinced that Toranaga is completely defeated and has accepted his fate. He's not a threat anymore in the eyes of his enemies, so now he can do his move by surprise.

I am Japanese and I thought it was the best episode ever. Toranaga and Hiromatsu's lines in the seppuku scene were the opposite of what they really meant. Even Toranaga's Eightfold Fence, which is more robust than anyone else's, could not fool only Hiromatsu. That is why I cried when Toranaga finally showed his true feelings to Mariko with his voice trembling and tears in his eyes. At first glance it looks like Toranaga did something cold and cruel, but it was really Hiromatsu who was cruel. He knew that Toranaga could not refuse his offer, and he himself said that he would commit seppuku. Just as Toranaga's spies are everywhere, so are Ishido's. And the letter he was reading just before Lady Ochiba visited Ishido was probably from a spy. Hiromatsu understood Toranaga's heart better than anyone else and chose to make sure the hidden plan was secure. In exchange for Hiromatsu's life, Toranaga's plan became solid. If Toranaga became Shogun as a result, then Hiromatsu's goal would be accomplished.

All for his lord. For old friend For the family. For Japan. He performed his duty with full knowledge of everything. Self-sacrifice. That was his duty. He sacrificed both his loyalty and his life. HIROMATU is truly a hero.

Bridget is right, your not understanding their relationship with death plus honor and duty. Torananga knew his son would be reckless, he didn't expect him to die, but he was ordered to commit seppeku anyway, so he was sentenced to death. You can think he selfish, but it's for his clan to survive and the realm, then I say be selfish. Hiromatsu, did what he did at his own accord, to convince the generals. Remember he questioned if he would be any good in battle anymore due to his age, the reason his son Buntaro must live, hate him or no, Buntaro is a great warrior, and will be needed.

There is a famous Japanese proverb. "To deceive your enemy, first start with your allies." It is thought that Toranaga planned "Kouten" in accordance with this.

Talk about missing everything whilst watching it happening in front of you..

Idk how you didn’t see the looks those two old friends gave each other in this last moments. They both understood what was happening and knew it had to be done so that they wouldn’t be wiped out by the corrupt people taking hold of the entire country. It wasn’t planned but it was necessary

You gotta remember there’s spies everywhere even within the higher ranks with toranaga. He didn’t expect his best friend to be the one to fall on the sword he hoped it would be one of his generals if anyone.

I'll put it simply... the seppuku that occurred was to support the internal conflict of his friend Toranaga and at the same time save the 3 generals behind him... if he didn't do the seppuku everyone there would fall. a sacrifice in every dimension.

Nah it was necessary for Hiromatsu to die there to 100 percent sell it

Toranaga didn't plan on having Hiromatsu killed, he was trying to steer him off that path several times during that conversation but Hiromatsu realized two things were about to happen if he didn't commit sepukku - Toranaga would have to kill at least one (likely several) of the dissenting generals to both maintain discipline and sell the ruse to any spies he surely had in his court AND he might've even faced open rebellion within his ranks (notice one of the generals was already reaching for his sword). Hiromatsu did what he felt he had to do to maintain the ruse and prevent the situation from escalating any further. He probably also felt responsible for accidentally giving the game away early after Toranaga sent the priest back to Osaka with a message.

Torunaga didn’t planned to kill Hiromatsu, he has never treated his close people as disposable. Torunaga needs to trick everyone into believing he’s weak and defeated, and Hiromatsu realized this after he offered to commit seppuku and questioned whether his lord believes in “pointless death” Torunaga couldn’t stop him without taking away the facade from his generals, and Hiromatsu committed seppuku so he doesn’t screw Torunaga over since then they all will be dead anyways. The tragic part is Hiromatsu realized what was going on too late which is why he told his son to believe in their lord, and apologized before killing himself, so that the situation can be believable and his lords plan can continue.

Unlike merry modern people, the Japanese at that time faced life and death seriously every moment. They never spent the days enjoying parties.

You don't understand their relationship with death.

His son dying alone clearly wasn't enough. They straight up showed us that with Lady Ochiba's conversation with Ishida before the marriage proposal.

The acting in this show is superb. Subtle and so much unsaid. Amazing.

I think no actual deaths were planned. As long as everyone agreed with Toranaga everything would work. But not if he SAID to them it was a trick. His son dying was not planned, he did not plan to slip and hit his head like an idiot. Hiromatsu dying was not planned. He did what he did to finish that conflict as soon as he saw the other guy about to draw his sword to attack. Toranaga wants his plan to work. But in order to work, it must be REAL.

Bro cant see the big picture😂 Hiromatsu had die to extra sell Toranaga "surrender". He knew what loalty truly is

As Japanese, I immediately understood what was between Hiromatsu and Toranaga. Hiromatsu has been knowing Toranaga since he was a child and serving for a long time. He knew what was in Toranaga's mind and what he should do. No actual explanation of the plan, but they knew what had to be done. In our culture, 'blank' means a lot. Blank on Japanese paintings, vague conversation without explanation, we read the messages in them.

It was hiromatsu decision to kill himself to "show" the world how deeply commited with surrendering toranaga was. Also to demote other toranaga subordinates from trying to kill themselves as protest. cause if toranaga didnt yield at his best friend doing that, imagine how much impact the act of other people would have. Hiromatsu decision is in favor of toranaga, yes, but also in favor of fuji. and buntaro. He wants them to live, even if it costs him his own life. the way he says "then you believe in pointless death" showcase it perfectly. because toranaga don't believe in it, and hiromatsu death is all but pointless at that point. And of course, toranaga son death as not planned, it was merely an accident that gave toraraga the breather he needed.

I laughed at your anger at Tranaga, the same feeling I had when I first saw this episode!　But if you look back at the details of the show, you will see various foreshadowing. For example, in episode 4 when the meaning of "THE EIGHTFOLD FENCE" is discussed, Mariko says to John, "We grivre those we have lost by continuing their fight". You will also notice that in episode 5, when the gardener hides the Toranaga spy from the eyes of Yabushige under the "pretext" of touching John's rotting flesh, his actions are the same as those of Hiromatsu in this episode. There are countless spies swarming around Toranaga. In addition, the Japanese have a concept of "use somebody's words to trip him up" (kotobajiri wo toraeru), which in the 1600s meant that once you misspoke, you were open to attack by your opponents for it. In this episode, when Toranaga's men protested what could be considered insulting, Hiromatsu raised his voice and took the lead in the protest because he thought he was the most effective pawn to avoid having to order his men, who were still able to fight, to commit seppuku and to catch the enemy off guard. Tranaga is very upset. This is evident in Hiroyuki Sanada's eye performance. Sorry for being so long!　I look forward to your reactions from Japan!

Shoutout to the overlooked star of this episode: Omi-dono. Sure he was a shit guy, conspired with his uncle to make a play for Ishido,manipulated Nagakado, and all the other shitty stuff he does. But the way he spoke up in the midst of men to lament and toast Nagakado, the way that-despite his hands shaking-he still signed that pledge of allegiance, and how he acted out that part where he was almost about to piss himself crying when the whole Hiromatsu thing was going down. The boy does have potential. And I can’t believe I’m saying that.

Toranaga gave a church site next to the brothel area. This means not allowing the construction of a church from the beginning. Hiramatsu's seppuku is not begging for his life, but a plea in exchange for his life. Loyalty refers to vassals like Hiramatsu. The emotions of this episode are also felt by Japanese people. The content was quite risqué, difficult to understand, deep, and interesting.

Buntaro got denied death from his wife and father the same day. He is the true victim of this episode 😅

All the viewers of this video are smart and I'm impressed lol

I think people think the plan is about saving himself. This plan is about saving all of Japan.

Of course you don't care, you're just a sheep and not a shogun (shepherd) who thinks about the whole thing and does everything to save it.

ん〜。外国人にヒロマツの切腹の意味や重さは理解できないだろうね〜😢　深い内容だった😮

It surprised me that Omi really cared about Nagakado. He's crying for Nagakado.

The actor that played Hiromatsu, Tokuma Nishioka, said he felt that Hiromatsu had to die, because he sacrificed himself not just for Toronaga’s plans, but for the other generals so that they would not be backed into a corner where they felt they had to commit seppuku. I think Toronaga thought one or more of the other generals would kill themselves, but he didn’t count on Hiromatsu doing it, but once Hiromatsu spoke up there was no going back. Nishioka said that scene was one of the main reasons he took the job. It’s so heartbreaking. 😢

People tend to forget that people culturally think different ways and are enjoyed doing different things. Hiromatsu was an old man set in his ways and there was probably nothing that gave him more satisfaction in his life especially at this point in time than to give it for his old friend in search of a bigger cause than himself. He served his lord faithfully and without question. Your perspective is a very modern one, and a humane one, but that isn't the case in this point in time in this era especially in a place where Ishido is a tyrant. So giving your life for a cause that you believe in is sometimes the greatest thing you can do your life and some people will be overjoyed doing it. Especially this late in his life, he probably did not have much further to live anyway.

I don’t expect westerners to understand Hiromatsu’s death (I was born and raised in Japan), but this is absolute peak feudal Japan. Hollywood likes to use the western ideals for honor and loyalty when producing Japanese film to make it more relatable to a western audience. This is the raw reality of what the honor code was in feudal Japan. Your honor was literally worth more than your life.

Hiromatsu committed seppuku was totally unpredictable. It must be hard to accept for viewers. It won’t be neccesarry but from writer’s perspective it is inevitable to make the show dramatically. And It works perfectly as expected. Your being emotional is the proof. ;-)

You gotta know that Toranaga did not ask or make Hiromatsu do what he did. They nevr spoke about it. Hiromatsu knows him so well (they are so in sync) that he read between the lines during that meeting with the priest. People tend to dismiss the fact that Hiromatsu was also incredibly smart and strategic and everything he does and says has a meaning. Also remember that it was Hiromatsu and other advisors that pushed for Toranaga to overthrow Ishido and become shogun. So it makes sense that he would do whatever it took to see that vision realised. Anyway, balled my eyes out in this one.

I thought him dying for the greater purpose toranaga is trying to achieve was an epic story line, he is old, his best advisor and him dying in that manner would trick the enemy into thinking his defeat is total. The thing I want to know is.... Did hiromatsu know about it? Or did toranaga know him so well that he knew what he would do. I like to think he knew due to him telling his son to more or less stick with his lord. I love this show as its always moving forward and always has incredible dialogue.

What was the only wish of Hiromatsu and Nagakado? We must understand that. And one more thing, you should know the elementary fact that a SAMURAI《侍》 is a person who stays close to a nobleman and waits for his orders. Episode 8 was the best of the best.

It is hard to wrap our minds around these deaths. But as Mariko explained to Blackthorn once, they live with death. They are on ground that can collapse beneath their feet, and among hills that swallow villages. If death is something you learn to expect at any moment, then giving your life to help your bestie trick his enemies is probably easier than we imagine.

There is a proverb in Mr. Son's military tactics that says, ``Before deceiving your enemy, first deceive your allies,'' and the death of his son (who did not even attend his funeral) and seppuku of a senior vassal were all part of this. His senior ministers saw through his plan that he had no intention of going against Osaka, and made his plan a success with his own death.

I love and hate this episode because I was wrecked! This show has been phenomenal.

I don't think Torunaga planned to kill Hiromatsu, i think it was simply unspoken thing they came to understand, what needs to be done to have Toranaga get the victory, ot atleast a big chance. When Toranaga sent priest to Osaka to tell the news, Hiromatsu already knew Toranaga wouldn't surrender, and considering he's been by his side so many years, he knew that by commiting sepuku and giving Toranaga the ultimatum, he would give Toranaga best chance to strike, considering the spies would tell how Taranaga even sacrificed hi's oldest friends to give up, rather than go and fight. It's was a really wise and strategic move, and they simply know each other so well, they didn't even have to talk about it, they simply knew what roles they had to play during the moment. The part when Hiromatsu asked you believe in ''pointless death'' was reference to a crimson sky, or atleast i think it was, considering how they speak in riddles, that's what i think. I don't think Hiromatsu realised only after his seppuku offer, he knew him from a piss boy years, and he knew how he was, he played the part in helping him get the victory and became a sacrifice to convince everyone he's actually surendering, so his men and the spies, would think he's done. The amount of cold nerves and strategy Toranaga demonstrates is really high, hi's really high in Intelect, and Hiromatsu knew his role well, as Toranaga said. Not many people could sacrifice their close ones for the greater good, requires a lot of mental toughness. Great episode, can't wait for the next one. As for you being stressed and pissed, makes sense, that doesn't take away that's a really smart and strategic way to aproach the sitution, if you actually want to take Osaka.

I love the debate Toranagas decision made. I honestly don’t know his plan but whatever it is he couldn’t let anyone know… except Marika

Hiromatsu sealed his fate when he left that room and told everyone that he was ready to fight because that's the only reason he would send the priest to Osaka. Hiro didn't know this until the moment of truth when he looked at Toronaga, which is why he told his son don't abandon him when it "Appears" that the lord doesn't believe in himself. Not the lord doesn't believe in himself. Very careful wording. Toronaga was 100% being reactive, and when his son died he used it. Same with Hiro. He's smart but, he's not a magician, he needed to make horrible decisions to make it work, and whatever his plan is requires EVERYONE to believe he's admitted defeat.

I think Lady Ochiba loved her but she just went back behind her 8 fold fence and that was what you saw.

Hiromatsu's death had purpose, and that's what it's all about, no?

BridgeCat is so cute! 🐱👍😁 Cody's anger is understandable. Many reactors felt the same. However Toranaga, who is kniwn for his trickery, and had used trickery to escape Osaka mere weeks earlier, had to convince EVERYONE that he gave up. He had to convince his men, including those spying for Ishido, that Toranaga had surrendered. Remember the escape from Osaka was only saved by Anjin because no one else in the caravan knew he had swapped places. He is the personification of keeping things close to the chest. Hiromatsu committing seppuku after telling the men Toranaga was going to fight clinches the idea he gave up. More importantly it clinches it with Ishido. Ishido is wary of a trick. It's one thing to leave family and friends in harm's way, like escaping Osaka's castle, but another to let them unalive themselves. Besides, Toranaga can't have his men going into Osaka spoiling for a fight and jumping the guy did in the pilot episode.

man, i was literally screaming at my screen for someone to stop that seppuku

"There's 6 of us left (out of 12), barely hanging on" "You look like you're having a fine old time"

15:13 I laughed WAY too hard when he realized who they were.

15:20 This way he gets to expel the Christians without actually expressing it. He knows the courtesans are more willing to build near a church than the priest is to build near a "tea house".

I think the trick was for the other generals and not for Hiromatsu. Hiromatsu was a well respected general and the other generals respected him, and Hiromatsu even cared for some of them, and so he spared them from committing seppuku as a highest form of protest, instead offered himself by challenging Toranaga's bluff but guy is so deep inside the abyss that he would not budge even if it pains him to see his best man go. The Bushido, the way of the samurai will never let them commit any dishonorable acts against their lord, but as a sign of protest they can offer themselves for seppuku which is always the honorable path. Also, any acts of dishonor may include cutting of fief, remember this service includes salary and land. They would never kill a person that feeds you and your entire clan.

It’s all part of a plan. His son did the rash thing he always did, but failed to kill the traitor brother. The old guy knew what was needed and knew he would die anyway so jumped the knife early to give Big T some camouflage for his strike.

Y’all working overtime cranking this one out so quick!

Hold up though, he said, what we doing here? That expression is sooo typical. Don’t come to the conclusion if you can’t see the bigger picture.

Lealdade Vai por uma causa e não à nossa pequena pessoa, essa é uma lição de vida.

If Game of Thrones was book accurate, you guys would've hated Dany, Tyrion, and Jon Snow lmao

"Hes going to fight" all the men expected him to act

None of that “it’s not you, it’s me” crap for Mariko. “It’s all you.”

FRAME BY FRAME before he got his head chopped off they cut to toranada And u clearly see him be shocked it actually happend. PEOPLE saying a different story is because u all listen to podcast and read comments like gtfo, The plan was not for him to die he litterally made seppuku and now toranaga just had to go along and be like, well i had time because my som died Buuut also my friend now, the friend litterally didnt need to die, but then again it's a show it's plus when u can shock people and keep them interested

Just proves that if Torunaga is gonna play he's gonna make sure it's on his court regardless the cost.

10:59 - Hard to judge him for "sucking a lot" when he loved and was married 15ish years to a woman who loathed him.

The show runner said that Toranaga did not intend or want Hiromatsu to commit seppuku. He was expecting the generals to do that and Hiromatsu took their place. He didnt know of Toranaga’s plan… but he knew that his death would be much more meaningful… either to wake Toranaga up (if his surrender wasn’t an act) or convince Osaka (if it was an act)

The plan was to convinced Ozaka to make them belive that he's really surrendering so Hiromatsu sacrifice hiiself and put a great Performance. Remember Couple episode ago it was brought up that a Samurai also have to learn how to act and perform

Brutal… but that’s why the lady in the first episode said Japan doesn’t need good men, they need a Shogun.

This guy just doesn’t understand…

Dude this show commits.

I think Hiromatsu just knew what Toranaga really wanted. Toranaga may have surrendered or fought, but isn't it because Hiromatsu read Toranaga's true feelings and led him to fight? That's why he is a loyalist. he reads his master's intentions and does not simply follow his orders, but leads him as he wants. The moment Hiromatsu put seppuku vs. surrender on the scale, Toranaga had no choice. If he trys to save Hiromatsu, he will not be able to deceive Osaka and will have to go to war with inferior power, and Yabushige's participation in the war will also become uncertain. Mariko's role is probably to lead Yabushige into war.

You were given a foreshadowing of the mentality earlier. If you can choose the timing of your death, be it on the battlefield or at a critical meeting like this, Hiromatsu chose. In the book, Toranaga's generals and oldest son/heir (not Naga by the way) are on the edge of revolt. Hiromatsu sees this clearly, and brings the attention back on himself and Toranaga. Like in any great stratagem, you must be willing to sacrifice pieces on the table. Some losses are unexpected (like Naga acting on his own), some are predicted and placed (Hiromatsu), if you had an issue with this mentality, you are in for even more clarity in the episodes to come - if they follow the books.

Everyone here acting like they're book experts just because some other RU-vid comment has the in-depth version of the story and they've read a comment and took the high ground is crazy

Torinaga is buying time they need to make excuses and make it real to osakas eye to delay ishidos plan the main plan is attack the osaka in the inside and take the title shogun

Toranaga is playing chess. Everyone else is playing checkers.

Yeah there's a lot you're misunderstanding but it's funny because you still arrive at the correct and sane conclusion, which is that feudalism is fucking barbaric. The comments here pulling the whole cultural relativism bullshit are nuts. Culture explains WHY something is but it doesn't excuse things, there are tons of cultural practices that are straight up immoral.

Reminder Chucky comes on tonight!!

I felt the same way, until i read a comment saying "it was necessary because even us the viewers didn't believe Toranaga". The moment his most loyal servant was allowed to commit seppuku, everyone felt like Toranaga's belief was real now. At least until 5 minutes later where he reveals its not 🤣🤣

Just got done watching the new episode of Chucky I can't wait to see you two react to it

Hiromstsus death wasn’t a play to get them to team up I feel although it was a two birds with one stone thing the bigger picture is making his enemies think he’s defeated that was a huge power play you gotta think broader man

教会を建てる予定の土地を見に来た宣教師が、遊女たちが近隣に来る予定と聴いて、 嫌な表情をしたのは何故でしょうか？

You have to understand that samurais honor their duties above all else. More than their families and their own lives. Hiromatsu knows he had to die.

❤ DO KILLERS OF 🌸 FLOWER MOON ! PLEASE

I know that feudal costume from different country can feel uneasy to modern people, but this is what we called a "world building."

Cody: I would love some "chá". You sir have spoken portuguese better than anyone on that show. 😂

Sorry dude. Coming from this ancestry from both Kumamoto and Hiroshima...old Japan wasn't happy and Pollyanna-ish.

Back for a second viewing of this reaction. I wonder which scene I'ma-skippin' to.

People looking for the Hollywood ending when this is 17th century Japan and based on real events. That said, their ethos on death and duty is not intuitive, even for the modern Japanese.

You would never win a war. You don't think of the long game.

After losing his son, I honestly don't think any other sacrifice would have been meaningful enough to sell everyone on his "defeat."

Fuck man, this episode destroyed me. The meanings behind all of these deaths was to make sure Toronaga-sama continues to fight. So upset.

一見無意味に見えるが実は無意味では無い死があった。神風特攻隊を作った文化は敗戦で全て無くなった。残念だ。

If you listen to the music composed by Atticus Ross for this episode it's very Nine Inch Nails like.

This show is too deep for this mcdonalds americans

I know how crazy the "loyalty" at the era, but Hiromatsu HAD to die sadly

Sad for you bro. Toranaga letting Hiromatsu commit seppuku is not bull$hit. It was essential and critical for the plan to work. You just don't get it. Kinda disappointed in your reaction but it is what it is.

ピカチュウ

The kid was ordered to commit seppuku, so even if he didn't slip, he was dead anyway.

the real hiromatsu died much better and with a much clearer purpose

hiromatsu death and all are a setup. all was intentional and planned.

I will die on this hill and I know I would get a lot of flak for this given that I have a male portrait: I love that Mariko declined Buntaro's offer for a mutual suicide in the tea house scene. How she went about it and her choice of words, not so much. lets break it down. 1. From the flashback on episode 6, we can glimpse that Buntaro had always longed for Mariko. Mariko, on the other hand never really liked him, or even looked down on the Toda clan back then (confirmed by her saying to Ruri-hime that the Toda clan is a worthless alliance and that his father is casting her aside; and later to Toranaga that his father should have married him better) 2. We learn from the Toranaga couple's councelor arc that Buntaro did try ti aooease her but her icy demeanor never melted. And that he had to bear double insult of Sparing the life of a traitor's daughter; who later converted to Catholicism. double whammy right there. 3. then Toranaga revealed that, in fact, distancing her from the fight and marrying her off to someone who ensured she lives was part of her father's plan... BUT, come episode 7, she requests Toranaga to allow her to end her life. we are coming from all that build up before the tea-house scene. so you can see a great deal of inconsistency in her character. it's either that or she is being consciously spiteful and saying the most hateful and vile thing that she knows will break his husband at this point. AND IT MAKES NO SENSE UNLESS THE PLAN WAS TO MAKE MARIKO SO DISLIKEABLE. and then to go around later and tell blackthorn that "when loyalty starts it has no end otherwise it is not loyalty", I call hypocrite. Just the previous episode, you asked for death from Toranaga who revealed to you your own father's grand design (a betrayal of your duty to your father and then to your Lord), then a scene before you rejected joining your husband in a seppuku of protest (a betrayal of your marriage); you really are in no position to berate and/or remind Blackthorne about the importance of loyalty. Now, let me throw an olive branch and suggest how to better handle the scene (I am no writer so this is rudimentary but would make more narrative sense and progress Mariko's arc in a more positive way). "When we were a younger couple I resented you for the wrong reasons (this works as a good opening statement as it is an admission also of her misreading the great plans his father for her); and I know i have caused you great suffering by repeatedly asking you to let me die all this years (this shows accountability); BUT I have always respected Buntaro, the great warrior. What you are saying now dishonour's your father who have said earlier that he Believes Toranaga will fight. It dishonours our Lord whom you also doubt. And you dishonour yourself. I would sooner live a thousand years than die in this manner which you suggest" Again, I am no writer and this is just a rudimentary thing, but I think this would have rounded her character more and would connect with her entire arc from the beginning (where we have been told that she did indeed want to die for she thought that was her duty then) to the present with every new information revealed to her giving her that change in perspective. I especially hate the fact that she did the right thing by rejecting his offer for death, and they use that as an excuse to give Mariko the right to act so vile, petty, and cruel. And before anyone types the Usual Butthurt crap: NO, that does not mean that Buntaro's previous actions were excusable. Of course it is wrong for her to lay hands on her wife. And if he can show such effort in something as delicate and meticulous as the tea ceremony, he should have tried to communicate better with her wife instead of being this clumsy around her as we saw on screen. BUT. Nonetheless. It does not justify what she did to him here.

plz watch severance

crimson sky is still on