My wife and I were on a weekend trip in Vegas last year for a concert and decided to escape the heat and filth for the day and went up to Utah, stumbled on Modern Warriors and it’s a nice shop. PS Admin gave you and hop a quick shout out on his second channel, I commented and told him to do a collaboration and he said he would if you will so there you go.
There's always some form of civil unrest from the typical civil unrest types. Nobody will do anything about it because those civil unrest types have the ideological support of the dominant political party, the institutions, and the government. If you do, do something about it, even lawful self-defense, the government will criminally prosecute you, use a farce judicial process with a biased judge and jury to convict, and put you in prison for the rest of your life. It's all political.
@@frankthetank6558if you are exclusively shooting within 300 yards, sure, do it. If you would like to push past that or take low percentage shots within 300 LPVOs smoke the magnifier stack. An ACOG or ELCAN could even be argued as superior within 300. Marines were door kicking with a 20 inch M16 and an ACOG with no dot for months in IRAQ.
@@BrassFacts I had to pause before the video ended. I got to that bit and was like, “Welp. That’s embarrassing.” Ah well. Comment for the algo spirits.
@@GldenRetrieverI'm confused what you are saying. Are you saying people who buy a 2-10 with a red dot do it because they can't afford a 1-10? Or they buy a 1-10 because they can't afford a 2-10 with a red dot?
@@MrMalicious5Yeah except the average American doesn’t have the budget to spend nearly an entire month of their income on an optic that they will use once or twice a month. If you’re in that tax bracket, good for you, but stop pretending like it’s financially feasible for the vast majority of people.
Thank you highlighting the trade offs between scopes. I didn’t realize that most LVPOs use a “reducer” (wrong word) to get their 1x, but it makes sense. Magnifying 3 times is easy, 4 times not so tough, but by the time the multiplier is 8 times there are so many trade offs in optical quality, etc. unless you have buckets of money to throw at the problem. Personally I prefer clear, bright optics with a forgiving eye box and light weight first. That’s the “steak” and everything else (except reticle) is “sizzle”.
Assfacts are my favourite. And as far as LPVOs are concerned, get a PLXc. They are scary light and compact, and you can either get FFP or SFP with the nuclear eye laser surgery.
@@texasranger24 I already bought a Trijicon Credo HX 1-6 SFP which is also nuclear bright - it has the post style reticle discussed in this video for how to make nuclear bright red dot. I quite like the scope too, it's not very heavy (18oz?) excellent japanese glass, unobtrusive bezels, sub 1k price point, nice reticle... Can't really ask for much more from a 1-6.
Modern Warriors is just down the street from me and I don’t know of any physical store that regularly stocks Night Vision Equipment and you can actually walk into the store and pick up anything on their walls and cases. Wide suppressor selection you can pickup and actually ask the staff questions about. Very large classroom for when they do classes ranging from CCW all the way to long range rifle courses.
I just got a Monstrum panzer 1-10x.ffp . I leave it and 1.5x or 2x and it's and ok scope. Ffp the dots small. But it has long etched lines in 1x that I use for QCC
honestly, if you're gonna put a one to 10 on your gun, you might as well just have a red dot and a 3 to 12. The $400 3-12x scope I have on my deer Rifle is probably better glass quality than most of these one to 10 scopes. People are dropping insane money on. it has a BDC and an illuminated radical and worked well enough to tag Bambi across a cornfield at dusk at 350 yards with a 6.5. I think it's quite literally a works for me
My favorite setup is my primary arms 1-8 Plx-C with a piggyback red dot. My red dot is really the primary optic, as I use it the most. But I can take shots to 400 m with ease. Extremely versatile and comfortable setup.
Just wanted to say I checked out Modern Warriors while running an errand out in St George and they really are a great gun store. Prices are pretty fair for an LGS and aren't gouged/scalped like in many places. Different mounts and suppressors to try out was pretty neat. Being able to molest a SCAR 6.5CM, H&K USC, and a Q Fix at their store let me reaffirm how much I hated those things. Super cool staff too. My only gripe is that the storefront is more flash than stock, most of their items on display are the flashy fancy nitride color guns or that weird skew of P365.
last gen primary arms, the one with just the chevron and nothing else, like $150 WITH a mount? now that's value, the costco hotdog of LPVOs, love this thing
As with most things, there are exceptions to every rule, which you even acknowledge at the end. Also, I appreciate that this video is intended to be a rough overview, so getting lost in the weeds about exceptions or outliers would just add confusion and detract from the whole point. With that said, I find it interesting that you specifically call out the 1-10 Credo as bad, when it really doesn't have any of the drawbacks you list and are typically associated with 1-10's. It has an excellent 1x (identical reticle) and even larger FOV than your beloved 1-6 Credo, barely heavier than many "light" 1-6's, including the Credo, nor is the street price out of line with many of the go too LPVO recommendations. Roll in Trijicon glass, durability, and switchgear and I think they actually knocked it out of the park. Sure the eyebox can get a little cozy at 10x but your only ever going to use that in a stabilized position to begin with and there's also a very simple solution; just twist the dial back down to 6x... The beauty of features is that they are there when you need them but you can also just choose not to use them, particularly if they don't cost that much in terms of weight, money, or other compromise. I have to wonder if you've had the chance to actually get behind one yet and if not, I would encourage you to take a look. Especially in light if how highly you (and I) regard their 1-6.
I got my first LPVO a couple months ago. I went budget to test the waters before really investing into something nice. This economy really really sucks for me lol. I got a Monstrum Banshee SFP 1-6x with the BDC reticle for my 16" 5.56. It was 130 bucks on amazon and after doing extensive research on youtube for it and shooting it a few times I can say its quite nice and is no where near garbage. The glass is surprisingly very clear at 6x but it isn't quite daylight bright. The red seems to do better in the daylight than the green which I thought was odd since green is usually brighter. The 1x is pretty solid but I don't have much expereince with high quality LPVOs to compare to but its definitely not a 1.5x. I haven't testied the effectiveness of the BDC but I know the BDC is set up for a 16" 5.56 so thats why I got it. I'm looking to upgrade to maybe a primary arms GLX 1-10x FFP someday.
It's a crying shame Steiner turned into scalping crooks..... The steiner p4xi is the best LPVO ever made for the 5.56 cartridge imo..... But at its new price it just ain't worth it.... It's 1x is so flat and crystal clear, amazing eyebox, daylight bright reticle that's so bright that I've never had to use max setting out in direct sunlight while having an amazing 4x that can easily be used out to 500 yards. My only complaint, other than it's new price of course is that when shooting at 200+ yards both the x & y axis reticle continuation is a bit thick but that thick reticle also really helps with drawing your eyes quickly to center.
@Gchang54 That is insane I wouldn't even be able to see the target like a tiny spec on the optic. You guys are something else I can go between targets 50-300yds pretty easily after 300 it gets tricky with drop and seeing the target.
I went back to the exps3 and g33 because I realized that LVPOs were really more capability than I personally need and I like having the NV performance better than having to use a piggy back RMR
After getting my Razor HD 1-6, I opted for a RD plus magnifier. Being able to ditch the magnifier and save weight just made more sense to me, given my circumstances.
Can you follow this up with a coordinated why LPVOs suck video with Hop so we can get some discounts? Just pick the best budget GPR lpvo and trash talk it please!
I’m a fan of BDC ret. I shoot my guns enough so I know how the scope works with my ammo. 1-6 LPVO is awesome for my AR’s and my AK’s, I pretty much set them up for 0-300 yards.
The thing I try to keep in my head when optics shopping is that there is no free lunch, everything is a tradeoff. My strategy has become: figure out what the rifle is good at, and then my the optic that makes it better at that thing.
If one is going to rely on a red dot for 1x on a magnification oriented LPVO, wouldn't it make sense to instead use a scope that isn't compromised for 1x and has a feature set better suited for shooting at distance? The Nightforce NXS 2.5-10 only weighs ~20 oz. and has a 42mm objective and parallax adjustment, with the downside of being SFP. The NF NX8 2.5-20x and Schmidt & Bender PM II Ultra Short 5-20x are half a pound heavier, but are FFP and feature a much higher top end as well as 50mm objectives. At 12 inches or less, all three are not much longer than most LPVOs either.
For me the minimum is a 1-8 with a griffin reticle unless you're on a budget then a burris rt6 served me well for many years. The slx I've got on my main rifle has been great in my area and lighting conditions and has gotten me hits out to 927 with 73grain eldm loads. If I had the money I'd get the plx-c just because it's so much lighter. Great video as always and I feel your pain with the seasonal shit I've been fighting a headache and watery eyes for about 2 weeks here in the Ohio River Valley
One more thing to point out. All things considered. SFP tends to be significantly lighter weight. Won’t matter in big magnifications but if you go for 1-4 or 1-6. That usually means a lighter rifle and that quarter pound could matter
I was told Schmidt and Bender reticles are a little on the outdated side of things, so sometimes paying more doesn't net you exactly what you're looking for. I suppose that is why you brought up the March LPVO, obviously.
Hey BF… Might be difficult to do, given your unique circumstances, but I got a video idea for you… Tips on ways for us avg joe’s to work towards affording higher end (i.e. more expensive tier) optics. I make ok money, I want nice shit, but it’s hard to justify spending more than $400 on an optic when money’s gotta be spent elsewhere. Thanks, NovaGroup hands down my fav guntubers!
I can, it mostly boils down being okay with what you got. and slowly working your way up. Thats what I was doing when I could only had about 150 -200 bucks on month on my entire "free" money that wasn't locked up something like rent. But If you cannot save up 400 bucks reasonably, then don't. Live comes first.
@@BrassFacts thanks for the reply. Thanks to you and C_Does I’m currently in the Sig MSR 1-6x and the Strike Eagle 1-6x (not the 1-8) in a 16” GPR. Trying to figure out what to step up to next. The PST gen 2 is too heavy for my SAWC. If you got a couple other recs pls share much appreciated sir!
I recommend buying a Vector optics($100) S-6 1-6,fiber. Just too see if you like an LPVO on your gun at all.then find a good one you like. That way you don’t buy an expensive one and find out you don’t like the style of optic.
Based I don't know why all guntubers turn down budget optics. Lower end optics are made in China anyway. Vector optics make 100ish$ lpvo or Red dot magn combo Or 50sh$ red dots. As long as its holds zero its viable.
I bought a Vortex Razor 1-6X for a 16" 556 and surprisingly it does not provide the magnification I had hoped, I bought it 3-4 years ago before 8X and 10X were really I thing, until now it hasn't been a big deal because I have gone down the SBR and PDW Rabbit Hole, but seriously debating on selling it and getting a 8X-10X because 6X is ok but I want a better image of my target at mid ranges.
What’s that scrim stuff called you’re wearing, noticeably at 4:04? Trying to look at venture surplus if it’s there but I don’t know what to search. Looks cool and useful tho
I'm one minute into the video and already want to say a 1-10X is useful if you live in an area that's all farmland and your slightline is either 100 yards to the closest treeline or it's 2 miles across perfectly flat empty cornfields with no in between.
I love buying a lpvo, selling it for a red dot and mag, sell that, get an lpvo again, and then finally get another red dot and mag to ultimately sell again
Ive got the PA SLx 1-8 FFP its decent enough if 100% true 1x isnt a deal breaker and bonus it doesnt weigh 24ozs either I need to upgrade to the PLxC but HMT won the coin toss Good video Now back to dumping on LPVOs until theyre popular again
What about a good 2-6×24 adding a 1x as a canted reticle or on the top of the scope? I'm sure somebody already asked, but...? Also, if using a 1x and, say, a 3x magnifier, what's wrong with a good 1x4 scope, say the Crossfire or something similar, but use a canted 1x with it? Just making you use your grey matter...✌🏼
what did you end up going with? i put a primary arms nova on mine just because it seemed super solid for the price and i figured any lpvo is better than irons
i reallllly wish someone ( primary arms) would make a actually compact 1-4 lpvo. take the 1-8 plx-c concept, but do SFP and 1-4 with a wide, short main tube. essentially a better replacement for a red dot- magnifier set that doesn't compromise so much on weight (SWC) but gives you an etched reticle with bdc and better glass clarity at 4x( and 1x if you have the 'stigmatism)
I need an LPVO with a strong diopter, +-3 preferably. My eyes suck and if I can't see the reticle without my glasses then there's no point over a dot/magnifier.
March FX 1.5-15x42mm DFP is my go to LPVO currently. messed with all the different styles (1-6/8/10, ffp/sfp, fiber/etched, etc) and for me, I can deal with the subpar "1x" in order to gain that 50-250+% max magnification. You have a pretty decent eyebox with minimal eye relief shrinking going to 15x and it doesn't darken all that much thanks to the 42mm objective. Dual Focal Plane gives you the nice "1" like most 1-6 SFPs with a daylight visible dot and thick posts, while gaining a very usable, fast, and easy Christmas tree when you bump into the FFP. It also weighs less and is shorter than some LPVOs like the Trijicon credo 1-8. I also find the 1.5x to be pretty flat. As for equally large plate of compromises you get... Tight parallax due to the 10 power factor in a short body. Can't get it as low as an LPVO (not an issue on ARs and skyscraper gang). It isn't daylight bright (3/10 on the nova scale). A steep 24-30oo price tag. A non expedient warranty experiance (small overseas shop. slower than Kahles/Swaro). The throw lever is one feature I really karen over and the March is tolerable. Its a smidge stiffer than a K16I and Credo 1-8, but you can still somewhat effortlessly spin it british style (with the pinky), which easily beats out anything PA, Vortex, Swampfox, etc puts out. How I view it, you can train to get good with the 1.5x at close range, but there's nothing you can do to increase your natural magnification for when you just want to squeeze that last little bit of data from what you are looking at and for some people (like me), my eyes are worse than any premium lens I've looked through, which led me to dump my K16I for a swampfox arrowhead 1-10 lol as I could see better with it. With the march, I get the best (and then some) of both worlds.
I cycle between believing lpvo are best and switching between a red dot and acog via qd. Currently on the acog grind but sure to go back to lpvo once i start competition shooting again
LPVOs are great for SPRs. Good enough reticle and magnification to do work with 5.56 in its effective range, meh enough 1x to do close-in work if you HAVE to. Coming from a dude with an SPR, I wouldn’t buy one again. I set one up to check a box I thought needed to be checked…but doesn’t. Just stick to general purpose. But if you’ve already goofed and bought an 18” upper and don’t want to sell it, yes put a 1-10x on. Not a SFP 1-6x. Reticle is too rudimentary for longe range, BDC is calibrated for a certain combo of round going a certain velocity that you may not have, holdovers only out to about 600, and needs to be on 6x to work. To retain that BDC reticle if you want it just sacrifice the 2x for the increased field of view, durability, no-leveling needed, lighter package ACOG. Add a dot on top that gives you all the pros of a skyscraper mounted dot on a CQB gun (NODs and gas mask use, etc) all at probably less than the price of a LPVO and boom, way better deal. A good general purpose rifle has a red dot/magnifier or an ACOG/red dot. This is the way.
So there are a few things I might mention when it comes to dealing with allergies. Personally I'm a big fan of Cetrizine 10mg, (Zyrtec) or Loratadine (Claratin) 10mg. I usually have to use one or sometimes both of these anti-histamines to deal with seasonal allergies. You may want to get the -D variant, which contains a decongestant, but personally I tend to find that causes dry nose and sinus infections long term. Afrin, a common nasal spray really helps relieve the inflammation of the nasal mucosa that gives you that stuffy headed feeling, however use of afrin and a number of these types of chemicals is usually limited to a few days at a time, but sometimes it can be enough to relieve major symptoms. I really hope you feel better man. I know that shit is rough.
I take Sudafed (and i've tried basically everything else) daily, and it really only makes a slight dent. Hop things i need to surgically remove my sinus
@@BrassFacts Luke from TOGR had the sinus surgery a few years ago and swears by it. My allergies come and go, and tend to be well managed with Zyrtec occasionally with afrin. Another option might be allergy shots. Hope you feel better soon.
I have two builds with lPvOs(REEEEEEEEEE). ATACR 1-8 and PA PLxC 1-8. If one can't justify ATACR money, I've found the PLxC to be a great value and enjoyable.
How do you generally run them? I was thinking an offset dot as the 1x, while keeping it smack dab in the middle at 4x whenever I need magnification with the option to adjust zoom if I need it.
@@mahbuddykeith1124 The entire point of owning an LPVO is for the 1x at the centerline. If you're not planning on using the 1x, don't buy an LPVO, buy an ACOG or a mid power variable instead.
Yeah this tracks with how I went about getting an LPVO for my AR, I was looking more general purpose and went SFP 1-6x, it's got a good 1x, a nice 6x, eyebox could be a bit better but light transmission is good, it's a vortex, holds zero, it does what I need it to do and then some. I could have gone with RDS + Magnifier but I want a bit more control for target identification. For my G3 though I'm picking up a MPVO because .308 goes the distance and I want it to be a DMR, it is not a GPR with that bulk. But you are correct, these are guidelines, and good ones at that, and 100% if you're in the market for a scope, go dig through C_DOES stuff, that's how I landed on the LPVO I have and I love the damn thing.
For my SFP 1-6x, my 3x drops and 6x drops are so close, it doesn't matter until I try to use the 300 yard hash mark. It works well, but I still REALLY want a PLXc.
What's wrong with 1.5x base magnification LPVO's? Most LPVO's feel like 1.1x-1.5x anyway. And 1.5x literally doesn't not slow me down AT ALL. Split times confirm this. So if I can get clearer and better magnification with a 1.5x-9x, I feel like I would probably prefer that? I dunno I guess I just need to go try some scopes with powers like 1.5-8x/9x or 2x-10x or whatever
If you know, you know to run a 1-8x ffp lpvo with bdc, auto ranging, and wind holds, set to 3.5x with top mounted dot to use like a prism stack with more magnification on hand if needed and redundancy 1x should Murphy's Law take your dot
