I’ve been slowly converting into Lucid EV enthusiast from Tesla EV enthusiast. Elon Musk is distracted in politics and he’s not as passionate about EVs as he used to be.
For sure. Peter Rawlinson and Lucid are what Elon and Tesla used to be and represent. The mission of electrifying the world is on backburner while all the focus is on right wing politics, Ai and robots.
@@Sahkoautoseparempiauto hilarious that you call Elon a right winger. Liberals were the Free speech warriors 10 yrs ago. The Democrats just moved to the extreme left and left Elon and a lot of Liberals in the middle. You know People like Rubin and Kasperian.
The dollars that Lucid Motors are haemorrhaging every month has nothing to do with cost of the vehicle. As Rawlinson demonstrated the costs are down to building out the infrastructure, 3 new factories and hundreds of robots and other machinery which is necessary to build to scale. The Air is comparatively cheaper to produce than rival vehicles (Mercedes, BMW,, Audi, Porsche) because of Lucid's smaller lighter drivetrain and battery.
All true, but Lucid is also pouring $$$ into R&D, software development, building & staffing sales & service facilities on 3 continents. Fortunately the PIF funding Lucid is a $Trillion fund with the deep pockets and long-term planning to make it all happen. It is rare and quite costly to build a new and profitable global car brand from scratch.
@@Retired.at.40.Bored.at.50 you obviously didn't watch the presentation. Expert independent assessors did a comprehensive brake down comparing costs to construct each different manufacturers vehicle including battery, materials etc.and Lucid came out cheapest.
If Lucid does achieve its goal of 6 mile/kWh with the upcoming smaller vehicle it could get the 330 mile range rating you mention with a 55 kWh usable battery pack. Today Lucid's full size RWD Air Pure (the version that gets 5 mile/kWh) is rated at 410 miles of range using 82 kWh of its 84 kWh pack. That's more range than a Model S while using a 20% smaller battery for a lower starting price. It's important to remember that all of the comparisons that Peter made in the video (and I make here) are based on the EPA range rating for each vehicle. Just like EPA gas mileage ratings, it requires ideal conditions to meet those numbers. As they used to say, YMMV
They announced that all Gravities will come with NACS in 2025. I'm not sure if that means all model year 2025s or starting in January. My guess is it will come out of the gate with it, as it does not make since to ship 1-2 months with ccs and then switch.
Yeah, I saw that. My only remaining fear is that it will use the same wunderbox which only gives 50 kW at superchargers. Seems unlikely, but I’ll need to see proof before I would order one.
@@briansherwood3643 I hear ya! If they failed to upgrade the wunderbox while supplying a NACS to their vehicle, that would be one of the biggest blunders since Red Lobster's all you can eat shrimp deal.
@@TailosiveEV They did at least say at the slide where they were listing through features/highlights of Lucid Air and Lucid Gravity. It states "NACS charging: 200 miles in ~15 minutes". It's somewhere near the end of the presentation. Unless I'm interpreting it wrong I hope it means that we can actually get those speeds at superchargers. PS: this is my first comment on your channel, wanted to say thanks for the coverage you do, I watched the live stream too today. I also follow your Tailosive Tech channel, great skits.
@@TailosiveEV Lucid's Wunderbox (power management device) includes a DC voltage boost circuit to enable charging on 400V chargers. That box in today's Air sedans is pretty slow, but I have heard the Gravity unit is upgraded to charge quickly on Superchargers. I have no official source for that, however.
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I don't think there's ever been any doubt that Lucid's product and technology are impressive and good looking, but they can't continue to exist without turning a profit forever. I hope they can stay in business long enough to be self-sufficient.
After Lucid made that deal with Aston Martin, it occurred to me they might simply become an EV R&D and tech licensing company that just happens to also make cars.
I'm actually feel lucky that I am an investor in Lucid. They are the world leaders in EV tech. It's just a matter of time before more legacy automakers adopt Lucid tech. Volume will come with huge sales of Gravity. Then the 3 models for a mid-size will lead to profitability for Lucid. By late 2027 I expect Lucid to be at least $100/share and growing. I watched yesterdays presentation and was just in awe of what they have produced, their direction and vision. They are such an aspirational company. I look forward to every development they make.
My guess, The Atlas Drive unit is the front motor in the AWD motors on Air and Gravity. But I really don't know, I just know the front motors need far less power and torque than the back.
Lucid's UX 2.4 released on the weekend, so all Air's will have voice command similar to Google except you say .......'Hey Lucid' followed by the command.
Lucid has had voice commands via Alexa since its introduction in 2021. However, it didn't always work as accurately as desired. The new voice activation that is now being rolled out through OTA updates is much better in my experience thus far.
@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 Blake, their horrible implementation of Alexa is one of the reasons my Lucid was returned. I don’t want an Alexa account listening to me.
Starting to get hopeful for Lucid. The Chinese competition are not standing still and are advancing quickly. Tesla is focused on cost cuts and changing the narrative around robo/cyber taxi. Maybe Lucid becomes the kick in the pants everyone needs. Fingers crossed. The key is get a way to split the pack to get the fastest charging speeds on Tesla SC's. Lucid has been crippled by the charging issues. I see they just released a software update. Software has been pretty weak for them. Hopefully that gets addressed.
Lucid's software today is pretty good and improves regularly. In my two and a half years driving an Air GT the pace of improvement in the infotainment system has been amazing, exceeded my expectations. The less visible and more important part of the software, ABS, TC, STC, Suspension Management, Motor Control, Regen, has been flawless and is a big, if invisible, part of what makes the Air so great to drive. The diagnostic software Peter mentioned found a flaw the main battery contactor on my early production car. Lucid called me to schedule picking up the car and dropping off a loaner and fixed the problem before the part could actually fail and strand me on the roadside. That kind of thing along with the surround view video, automated parking, cross traffic intervention, they are bits of software that Lucid made sure to get right first. They are now working on stepping up their game on infotainment, Peter said.
@@Miata822 That is good to hear. I only have the reviews that I see with the car to go by. The latest Out of Spec stuff with the newest car still seems like they have some work to do. It sounds like the update they just pushed is a big one. I hope they take the input of these testers and owners to heart and knock it out of the park. Things do look like they improved a lot since Out of Spec had their Lucid and did the race to Vegas and the Canonball attempt. I want to see Lucid own that record.
So, as a Luxury brand, Lucid will introduce a luxury midsize SUV, priced on par with Model Y, while saudis (PIF) will continue bailing them out. The same old story as with Lucid Air, where it is priced on par with Model S. And Peter R, with his PhD in Bullshittery, will continue with his stories how they are on path to profitability. It’s harder and harder to see right through it with all those “convincing” charts, isn’t it? 😉
I’m a Tesla owner and former Lucid owner. Lucid’s ground breaking achievements are delivering EVs with longest range, 500+ mi and highest efficiency at 5 mi per kWh. What any other vendor might be able to do is irrelevant. Aptera is the next company to have ground breaking tech.
I would argue Aptera has ground breaking packaging, as far as how they are putting different pieces of the puzzle together. But their tech itself isn’t anything groundbreaking. Although perhaps I am wrong in the sense of the solar being automotive grade and the software for constantly optimizing energy pull in variable conditions
@@marc-andreravioli1379 I agree with you. The total package delivering 40 mi /day on solar in a production EV is ground breaking. But as an Aptera investor & reservation holder, I’m biased.
@@johnpoldo8817 yeah lucid and Aptera combining technology would be cool in the future actually. But obviously lucid needs to make waaayy cheaper motors. To me, Aptera needs to find a way to lower costs to make the vehicle under 20k, while having that ridiculous efficiency. I will probably buy my Aptera for 35k, but only because I’m a fanboy. To scale and make a big impact, they need it to be under 20k imo. Not sure if the current body material cost will allow this to happen.
This is all great, but nothing they’ve done is ground breaking technically. There’s no reason Tesla couldn’t integrate all the same tech into their vehicles and be just as good. The problem is cost. They just need to start making money and people will start taking them seriously.
I’m a Tesla owner and former Lucid owner. Lucid’s ground breaking achievements are delivering EVs with longest range, 500+ mi and highest efficiency at 5 mi per kWh. What any other vendor might be able to do is irrelevant.
You need to look into their motor cooling techniques, their winding technology, their differentials integrated into the motor, their volumetric and weight power densities, their ethernet ring, their 924-volt architecture, etc. before making such a sweepingly inaccurate statement. Remember that Peter Rawlinson, Lucid's CEO, had his name on 70 of the original Model S patents (for which he was Chief Engineer). Elon Musk had his name on -- wait for it -- 0.
"There’s no reason Tesla couldn’t integrate all the same tech into their vehicles and be just as good." - Then Tesla should do that, or is there a reason this is more difficult.
@@DanDeGaston Dan, if Tesla believed that is what the market wanted, they would do it. I’ve bought both EVs and know them very well. Apparently, Tesla doesn’t agree with Lucid’s market strategy. We will learn who was correct.
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You can make the same argument for every start-up. Yet, you pick on Lucid. Saudis want to see Lucid succeed and you want to see it fail - let’s see who wins in the end.
@@Slayer-33 Come on, BYD and the Chi nese has the best batteries on the market. They are not efficient in their cars. Lucid buys the same batteries. Is that efficiency coming from better software. Tesla has the best software, heat pump and battery management. That leaves the motor. No way is an electric motor that efficient. The fact lucid can't make the cars any cheaper without losing billions. It makes me think they are not being honest.
@@Retired.at.40.Bored.at.50 Comparing Model S vs Lucid Air Pure. The Lucid gets better Mi/KWH. Lower coeffiecient of drag with a smaller surface area. Only 1 more efficient permanent magnet motor instead of using the Induction motor/Permanent magnet motors you find in the front of the Model S, slightly more narrow tires at higher air pressure, and using higher Voltage battery pack you lose less energy in your copper wires. You bring up batteries, heat pump and software controlled battery management system. While each of these are important. Both companies buy 3rd party batteries, The Heat pump won't effect the EPA range on a warm day test, and the battery management system mostly affects the total life of the battery, Should not affect the range test of a new car. Long story short, I am assuming you're not an engineer. So I thought I would give my engineering thoughts on the matter.
@@DanDeGaston Lucid does have a low drag coefficient. It does have a high voltage architecture. This does help a lot, but it is not a unique technical advancement. Tesla realized a long time ago. It is impractical for mass market cars that will live off of 250kw or less chargers. Where is Lucid going to find a 300kw charger. It's more of a gimmick. Lucid is a heavier vehicle which negates some of the benefits of better drag, also. I'm not an engineer. That's true. However, I am familiar with the science involved. To my earlier post, I believe lucid has no real technological advantage that couldn't be repeated with enough money. For example, you mentioned the more efficient permanent magnets which Tesla has opted out due to costs. Lucid uses the more expensive Lithium ion battery and Tesla uses LFP in the 3 and y. I'm assuming you're an engineer, so you're familiar with the effects of temperature on battery life and overall performance. Any EV without a heat pump will see reduced efficiency in less driving range. Tesla is the leader in this area. It's also widely accepted that Tesla has the best engineers and software programmers. However, Tesla is more focused on bringing to market the best product for the money. For 200k you have to expect long range and fast charging. This is a good discussion to have. Should lucid be focusing on range or costs.
No one is as bad as Mary Barra she absolutely thinks she will be the number 1 EV company in the world by next year not even close & the gas powered vehicles are garbage they get their parts from China Lucid I think is here for the long haul the Lucid Gravity looks like a great vehicle the good thing is they have the battery technology down to a science since Rawlinson found Lucid on battery technology
Lucid is a joke. If you really think they have a shot at profitability anytime in the near future you are delusional. Look at the best EV companies and how long they take to get to profitability. No one is buying these cars. Selling 600 cars a month is Fisker 2.0. Chinese brands will crush Lucid.
I don’t understand why you need 3 rows of seats to house the 1.7 average passenger load on American roads. Your car should be designed for the 99% use case not the 1%.
Because when you have a couple of kids you want to be able to go somewhere and bring friends, grandma/grandpa, or just have extra space for the 600 lbs. of strollers/pack and plays and other child gear kids need on long trips.
