And god can just uncreate Lucifer and he know that if he pisess god off god will destroy him or just uncreate him so Lucifer has alot of respect for god
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 didn't you already answer that on BannerIncrediblehulk full analysis about hulk vs green lantern and stated "dr manhattan instantly kills hulk. Not even a fight"
the presence comes home from his vacation in hawaii to find one of his sons trying to murder the other, a third son egging him on, and his favorite chair in disrepair.
Gabriel: Ask a child and say who would want to kill God and they'd say the devil Lucifer: And that's why children make a wonderful detective Classic badass and 🤣🤣
Lucifer is an absolute gem of a comic series. It just displays how powerful a character that can literally remake anything as he sees fit can still be menacing without the use of his powers. I've always said that Lucifer's greatest ability isn't Reality Manipulation on a godly level, it's his intelligence.
Spoilers but god brainwashed Gabriel into using Azazel's sword on him and Lucifer (in which why he injured while talking to Gabriel). In which god comes back corrupted later
Sorry that wasn't god, even Lucifer tell you might have power of him in you but you are not my father, even author confirms it himself. I don't have the link, but that thing already got debunk author himsel. So nope from
In all these kinds of stories, all powerful beings never seem to have anything better to do than haunt bars and have typical family drama. They may exist in infinite dimensions, blah blah, but wow, they really don't act like it. Surely someone who knows everything and can do anything must have something else to do.
Because writers and humans in general are bad grasping non regarding human minds, specially superior beings. And because it's easier to introduce cosmic level powers than to be consistent or plausible on their effects.
well, no, i don't think so. I mean, at the beginning, the Presence had lots to do but now that everything is in place, i don't see what he could do. And even if he had, it wouldn't take long to do considering omnipotence.
It represents carelessness among angels and archangels like Lucifer and Gabriel. They have been alive for so SO SOO long. Eventually their interests and goals begin to wear out and they just kinda want to live in peace.
Well , one thing is for sure , the cosmic/celestial beings in DC are very different from their counterparts in Marvel. Glad you are uploading again my good friend.
DC cosmology is a based around the Judeo Christian religion. Marvel cosmology isn't based on any religion (Actually judeo Christian religion exists in marvel. But it's still another pantheon in many) . Also DC Norse gods are close to their mythological counterparts while marvel Norse gods are treated more like regular superheroes.
I like marvel cosmology more than that of DC. But they fall short at making good stories. That's why many liked DC comics over Marvel. Marvel has the potential to create very good quality stories based on their cosmology.
I literally didn't know this was your work till I looked at the comments. This is great stuff I love all your videos about the different religious pantheon's. Great work you are a truly great artist and writer
@@johanne8260 DEBUNKING: "The Presence died in Lucifer Vol. 2" Yahweh never made an appearance in Holly Black's sequel of the original Lucifer 2000 (by Mike Carey), and the New God in Vol. 2 wasn't really him like some claim. Evidence: - At the end of the first volume, Yahweh was out in the Void with Lucifer after granting Elaine power over all of creation in his departure. plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/d2vvsPdAfSs (Note that this book ended in 2006) He then returned in Phantom Stranger's New 52 series (In a Non corporeal sense). vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/a/a0/The_Voice_Prime_Earth_002.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20131119002546 3.bp.blogspot.com/-5QBXFfIqmaQ/UwCWlfoLF2I/AAAAAAAAMd4/0oOrh10vJRk/s1600/-016.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/-unTbMRMXDfc/UwCWlsDb_zI/AAAAAAAAMeA/nzlwRECnIG0/s1600/-017.jpg Still Omnipotent, like Mike Carey's interpretation 4.bp.blogspot.com/-lOSFyqjiYWo/UwCaLeC3R-I/AAAAAAAAMtw/FTokA-8UKzk/s1600/-002.jpg Was even able of reviving Phantom Stranger, who had been wiped out of existence by Zauriel 4.bp.blogspot.com/-s2KnD-bNCK4/UwCaijm-7BI/AAAAAAAAMwg/vcMD7UuI05A/s1600/-001.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-G43kUW1n91E/UwCai0vRm-I/AAAAAAAAMwk/nVTp9XYpAF4/s1600/-002.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-hPl1_mxBAhI/UwCajr26P8I/AAAAAAAAMws/VWQX1YSJ4N4/s1600/-003.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ko98r2DFsVY/UwCakKoET-I/AAAAAAAAMw0/i0dIDRQ8Nz0/s1600/-004.jpg Misconception: In Holly Black's sequel, It's said that the Presence was killed (by Gabriel) and was remade into a New God, who wants to remake creation in his image plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604772620443778?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604771600487186?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604772520436786?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ > This is the 1st point that confirms this isn't the real Presence*, because the OG didn't want to return to his creation. He gave it away. And even if he wanted to have it back, he would have the power to, due to his Omnipotence. plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/Rypa2J3eDuf plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/d2vvsPdAfSs plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/3Tfmwwf8FEp This version of "Yahweh" isn't Omnipotent like the original, and is inferior to Elaine 3.bp.blogspot.com/-zOJNG2WmyD4/WPg5-zGVjGI/AAAAAAADXL8/-Yb9wSeEuQsQp6iomyAwVj1C77v9YYgmwCLcB/s1600/026_010.jpg > Yet Elaine was never above the original Yahweh, she admitted it herself in the 1st volume plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/d2vvsPdAfSs This New God was weakened, and needed healing from lesser Angels plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6432719832301716081/6432719830967708690?authkey=CPCuncnY9em7fw plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6432719832301716081/6432719828491721730?authkey=CPCuncnY9em7fw What doesn't make any sense is that the New God manipulated Gabriel in stabbing/weakening him plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604773641335634?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604771100168946?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ And later, Gabriel fought off his mind manipulation plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604771851478114?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604774756872930?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ Lucifer states that his Father is Omnipotent plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604773948723314?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ But repeatedly this New God being his Father. plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604774756872930?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ 2.bp.blogspot.com/-P11XiYRB4Xo/WPg5_rtjFfI/AAAAAAADXMI/rkmse89tPx0XywnNgJRVZKpJF_obC7T1gCLcB/s1600/026_013.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-bGacCRHmH-Q/WPg6R1WGJ1I/AAAAAAADXRI/hK5VUm2-7w0tK1uz-LT_20W3DyEl7w_TwCLcB/s1600/030_002.jpg To quote +fingerprint 1201 (he blocked me): "He's saying that in the sense that he doesn't cliam him as his father." That is entirely false. Lucifer has always acknowledged the fact that the Presence is his Father. plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494176944511314?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc ^ Lucifer accepts that the Presence is his maker/ father. He also says that he knows he is weaker than him. plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494176488954498?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc ^ Again, Lucifer states that the Presence is his Father and maker. Here, he is mad at the fact that his father manipulated him plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494175826995474?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc > And in this scan, Lucifer directly call Yahweh, "Father" when he was spoken to.. plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494175648162242?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc He didn't deny his Father because of a temper tantrum. Lucifer has known his Father for Eons of years, his entire story is centered around him and his Dad In those scans, Lucifer implies that he can't kill his father if he wanted to plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/3Tfmwwf8FEp Vol. 2 issue 19: Lucifer kills the fake Yahweh with the ashes of Gabriel's heart and the sword from Eden 3.bp.blogspot.com/-CUSNq88hnSE/WVO_0Bwby8I/AAAAAAAERLk/FWsy9gL-I5YbWiSQB6mWOkHs-1e78wM7gCLcBGAs/s1600/031_010.jpg 2.bp.blogspot.com/-J7HgKmWaEDI/WVO_0XN-XmI/AAAAAAAERLo/Wjl23F94iiYnKaOt3_g6TZ5Bv_2H0L7LQCLcBGAs/s1600/031_011.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-wQvV-riGLX8/WVO_1Amak8I/AAAAAAAERL0/YuTsCHmQ3ggJ1fmOpmKpgohHtXu0qg0pACLcBGAs/s1600/031_015.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/--mnU7OyMY7k/WVO_1WUeDII/AAAAAAAERL8/doC2QVoriR0gfXX-YRljHxbXNySzv6GGACLcBGAs/s1600/031_016.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/--mnU7OyMY7k/WVO_1WUeDII/AAAAAAAERL8/doC2QVoriR0gfXX-YRljHxbXNySzv6GGACLcBGAs/s1600/031_016.jpg If Lucifer was capable of killing his Father as simple as that, he wouldn't have wasted literal eons doing anything else, but. Point Being: The real Presence isn't dead.
@@johnetheridge5833 it's vertigo i think i maybe don't know the name of the story clearly and about the presence death he wasn't really dead and actully who killed him is gabriel not lucifer but lucifer was with them both when this happend but if you want the clear name of the story i will search about it but please just give me time to find it and thanks a lot
Just go to Readcomicsonline and type in Lucifer, It should bring up all his comic series, He's also in the "Sandman" issues of comics so type that in as well, it's an awesome read
@@indyphillipconner6252 Nah thats more towards you The presence isnt the strongest DC character that role goes to the fictional writer entity even the presence himself says he was shaped by other forces
@@windblade8303 yeah but dc can make god look weak or all mighty but I don't think anything or anyone can hurt presence psychically unless DC writes it that way not even superman can beat presence he is god in dc
well, the netflix series about lucifer is way different than the original lucifer comics, and this is why they didnt choose Tom Ellis as the main actor in the new serie that is upcoming
When Kratos killeds Helios the entire world turned into destruction and he and all died. only one survived and created a whole new world. a whole new universe
How It is called this comic? Lucifer? I suppose it's quite different from the series but what are the main difference(i know here Lucifer is stronger)? What point of the plot is this and which comic number is?
@@tec-6tec-662 The lucifer in the series is an ego maniac narcisit, with a very very shallow personality that wastes his time doing useless things like solving crimes just because he wants to have sex with the detective.. The comics are about the prime creation of god, the first living thing... he is older than death.. therefore he cannot die... the most intelligent and wise and powerful creature in the multiverse.. the guy that created every single star and planet.. yet he almost never uses violence.. he NEVER EVER LIES.. yet he makes people and gods do as he wishes... with his cunning. A being that is faster than the flash... but takes a bus to get to a specific place.. because.. well why would a being as old as the multiverse hurry ?.. he might take the time to watch the sun and the clouds by the window.. or maybe talk to an old lady... His desire is to step out of gods plan.. he wants freedom and have a deep sense of honor and respect for anyone seeking freedom. He is not a shallow character that suffer from human vices... he is above good and evil. Yet they made a story that is deeply involving and that you want to know what happens next every single page...
@@tiagodagostini yes i know he's more mature in the comics. Still in the series he doesn't "waste his time", he's just trying to be human-like cause the human world is his home. Paradise wasn't his home, hell was just his work place
That's the thing with DC/Vertigo Lucifer. He never lies. That's the ironic part about his characterisation in DC. He would never lie because he finds it beneath him to do so
@@fatehvirthakur4840 moniter wank. Lucifer have shaped all concept and have trancend all of DC composite cosmology. He has presence authority and is infintely higher than the dreem of endless.
@@godking1257 it's not a wank grant Morisson stated himself that thought robot is story itself meaning he can beat anyone he have plot manipulation he would just change the plot to his favor and GG. He is way beyond The Presence and the Angels
@@godking1257 that's basically the ending of the story since he defeated the Dark Monitor besides both Superman and ultraman wanted to go back to their universe CAS is immortal btw he can comeback whenever or wherever he want
In DC.. there is the presence.. the creator of the multiverse... that lies inside the overvoid (a field of infinite nothingness but with infinite possibilities.. that spawned an infinite being as the presence). The presence created multiverses... on the last iteration he created jsut the multiverse empty.. and created 3 archons.. Michael, Samael (lucifer) and Gabriel... Michael creates energy at will inifitenly.. samael can shape everything in the mutliverse.. so he shapes energy into matter and matter into stars.. etc.. Gabriel can bring life. After life was created.. the 7 Endless started to appear.. Detiny, Death, Dream, Destruction, Desire,Despair,Delight. The living beings believe and dream of gods... so gods start o appear as part of Dream (the endless). All pantheons and other gods are spawns of Dream (sandman) or are just physical powerful beings. The endless are above gods... the archons are above the endless.. and the presence above the archons.
@@tiagodagostini The void did not "spawned an infinite being as the presence". The void is "The Presence" since, in Lucifer #75, The void and "The Presence" are described respectively "infinite" and "eternal". In addition, the concept of the Overvoid is that it is an entity beyond contradictions. The Overvoid is therefore God and The Source in one and the same entity.
@@y.n9264 That is incredbily dubious... the presence itself says it is shaped.. and it is itself IN The void not the void itself. A simple proof of that, is the beast.. that is another being that is a counterpart of the presence.. also originated from the overvoid infinity of possibilities. The presence is all in the multiverse it created.. Within one infinity you can have several infinities within it... The rpesence itself at end of lucifer says lucifer will be free from the presence in the void.. so the void is NOT the presence.. (yet i am one that doe snot agree with settign the overvoid as a character.. it does not work well in the view of the monitors... it works best at vertigo view of a concept of infinity of everything... and of nothing)
@@tiagodagostini As author Mike Carey said: We create our gods, in our own image. Meaning that we create the shape of these entities according to our belief system. It is a concept that has been put forward in The Sandman, in which the Dream of the Endless takes different forms depending on the person's belief. So we don't create these entities, but what they look like according to our belief system. In Mike Carey Lucfier run, the Presence did not assert that he is in The Void. The Void and The Presence are the same entity since the latter asserts to Lucifer that he is "eternal" and "infinite", which is The Void. Moreover, it is the opposite according to the words of DeMatteis, who asserts that The Void is inside God. It's not proof : in Alan Moore Swamp Thing run, the opposite of the Great Evil is none other than the light when God pronounced: let there be light. Moreover, the Shadowland is a dimension of the Great Evil created as a result of this word. The Great Evil lost its nature because of the light before God gave it back through an aspect of light in order to form with the Great Evil, the darkness, the yin-yang. Meaning that light and darkness are complementary to each other. Since you mention the Overvoid, Grant Morrison stated, in Inside the Mind of Grant Morrison - IGN, that God, The Source and Overvoid are beyond such duality. Finally, " The rpesence itself at end of lucifer says lucifer will be free from the presence in the void.. so the void is NOT the presence.." is not a point since "The Presence" stated that, in Lucifer #75, it uses aspects to interact with his creation. So The Presence in Lucifer #75 is only one aspect.
@@tiagodagostini It's 100% the same person. Just a different take on him due to it being live action version. He's more true to the comic version than a lot of people give credit for. He would rather use his mind and intellect than his actual powers. Same way his comic version rarely uses his abilities even though he could literally warp reality as he see's fit on a whim he would rather manipulate and use his intelligence than use his actual powers because that would be too easy and boring for him. That's how I view the TV show version. Has the same powers but just doesn't use them because it's too easy
@@tiagodagostini Yeah his personality is slightly different but there's points in the show where he looks all somber and nonchalant while drinking or playing the piano which is his personality in the comics. Season 2 he sliced a hole in reality with a blade and gave the goddess of creation her own universe to rule. It's implied Lucifer created that universe specifically for her to rule because it was a void and at the time she was about to explode with light. He obviously manipulates that energy and for her own universe. He's got the power but just doesn't flaunt it because there'd be no point of having a show if he solved every single problem with a gesture
I doubt he’s dead he’s probably in a different realm altogether and he left them there to decide their own paths since most of them bitch about Him always choosing for them and “every path is laid out for me by you I didn’t get to choose” kind of angsty teenage BS drama; kinda like the “One above all” in a sense that he leaves it to the Living tribunal and he just wants to observe his creation do their thing. I mean if I were him I’d be sick and tired; all them assholes want to prove themselves and say they don’t need your help, your power and they can decide their own future but when they face the consequences they want you to bail them out, and when you don’t they complain about you not being there for them and abandoning them. When you do help they’re like “You should’ve left it to me I could’ve done it better ya know now you just proved I can’t decide my own future and need your power to help me!” Blah blah blah.
Yes but she gave up also and retired to her own reality. Lucifer goes to meet her in this series. She has so much power she doesn't know what to do with it so she does nothing but sit around in her own reality she created
@@chaosflame7278 God gave up and left creation and because of that Lucifer and Michael were losing their powers and were severely weakened. This led to Fenris the Norse God of destruction taking control of Lucifer making him attack Michael. Michael was wounded fatally and was dying. The power within Michael would destroy all of the DC Multiverse upon his death but Lucifer managed to transfer all of Michael's power and energy which is called the (Dunamis Demiergos) which is Gods Power into Michaels Daughter Elaine effectively making her God ooof the whole DC Multiverse
