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Keep in mind. Luffy said many times his goal as king of pirates is to be more free, and everywhere he goes, he spreads that to others, so his goals at being king of pirates and being joyboy are already aligned.
That Nika dude was known as Joyboy. The gum gum fruit contains the spirit of Joyboy. The zoan fruits have a will of their own, so they contain spirits of various past creatures but it looks like they don't take over the body but only share the power with their users, which can be considered as a legacy or a will.
"The zoan fruits have a will of their own" Where did you get this from? That's not true. Else we would see many zoan fruits in OP world that are sentient but never seen one or even heard anyone even mention it before.
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Luffy's goal has always been the same and that isn't going to change. Luffy's personality and beliefs are what make him Joyboy. Zunesha's declaration of Joyboy's return was about the signifier of Luffy being Joyboy but being Luffy is what made him able to awaken the fruit. It wasn't by chance are gifted to him. Luffy was prophesized to find the HHnMMN 800 years after the previous joyboy because he was born with the same ideals as joyboy, to be free and spread happiness everywhere he goes.
And in another point of view , the Joyboy of the past is the same Joyboy (Luffy) incarnated . Just like Avatar , the same person returning in a different body.
They say the fruit of a logia has its own fruition, beliefs etc. in essence a fruit like Luffys makes you become the fruit. These are often known as god fruits. There are 4. However, Luffy has not been taken over by his fruit, he has become his fruit. Luffy is Joy boy. Not the current. The only. And he will go back in time. As joy boy. It’s Luffy who left the ponyglyphs. That’s why he knew what was going to happen. Luffy is the fruit, not a product of it.
Why joyboy was frightening? 1. He ate "gomu gomu no mi" 2. Remember that huge strawhat seen in the Marijoise... If "joyboy" was that huge, imagine how his attack will be in his normal form... Then 3rd 4th gears and 5th gear... If luffy can make an island size fist... Then this "joyboy" maybe could make a planet size fist 😂
Man. I wonder One Piece is a giant banquet hall or something for partying and uniting the peeps. I watched a vid where it says when Roger and Crew found it they all gave a chuckle so I’m guessing it’s not a “typical” treasure.
My theory is that joy boy originally was likely killed by the world government and thats what gave them so much influence and ability. I bet zuneshia tried to take revenge on them for this and was punished by a friend of joyboy or perhaps the world government themselves. Eother way theres a reason he didnt fullfill the promise he made and that theres a viod century to begin with.
been watching around 5 years, second watch ep 758 in whole cake island, and during this ark i had a thought that make me come up with this theory, remember when big mom starts telling luffy hes a whoosie for not fighting her and not running with the crew to the shore to escape after getting sanji and germa 66 free. well luffy says "im gonna beat kaido first" and while i initially took this as him just trying to get under skin. but them she responds with "you have a long way to go to hurt him if this is all you have" and i think that this is a telling interaction for many reasons, like big mom said he did say he was going to kick her ass on fish man island an din the book prison. And then suddenly he just isn't interested in anything more than a punch and deflate. yet runs head over heels to fight katakuri and then run again, while i chalked it up to him being airheaded, i think that the sun god and his will are strong internal pulling in the will of luffy, and his "awakening" is the point where his "latent ability" or his overall position emotionally, and how close he is to his current goal, is what is going to be what takes them to the one piece, it will get to the point wehre luffy himself starts knowing things that he doesn't know and that is the power of the sun god nika, indomitable will and the ability to control universal pulls of fate so well they just decide to fall into place for you. I think that is what joy boy meant when he said one day joy boy would return, that the will to be free and to free is such a universal truth and someone one day will carry there own torch where he did, which i think is the one piece and the only reason roger made it is becasue his will and dreasm alome made up for the lack of nikas internal drive (the devil fruit compelling luffy)
whatever the one piece is it will no doubt ably be a item of no value or price, something you cant trade or make or somehow stumble upon, it will be something that is explaining of the void century that makes everything happening now make sense, maybe even something capable of universal change, in a very unexpected way
I hate it when people say that he can’t turn his imagination into actions that he’s just turning things to rubber because he’s rubber. What people always forget it seems is that paramecia‘s are the only devil fruit when awakened that can affect material around them and change it to their power. Like with doflamingo or katakuri both paramecia’s, and both could change matter around them to their power. Luffy is a mythical Zoan user so his awakening just strengthen his body exponentially like all other zoan awakenings. So when he shapes his hair into glasses he’s not just using his awakened rubber powers to shape stuff to rubber…he’s using his imagination
i think people keep the rubber detail because with mythical zoans they have specific abilities for their creature and nika is descrived as having a body of rubber iirc. so the imagination is a big part of it but rubber is definitely in the equation
@@blowfishfootmanoden confirms luffy literallt warps reality. So. He’s literally useinf his imagination. His devil fruit didn’t come with the attack “gum gum red hawk” or “elephant gun” or “king king gun” etc. he makes them and his gears with his imagination. You see this when he was getting trained by (forgot his damn name) blonde dude from roggers crew he said that his gear 4 isn’t gonna be enough for everyone and that he needs to “come up with” a more powerful attack/form. Then he created snakeman
Yeh people always mistake his rubbery properties as an actual power its just s form of expression and early imagination power manifestation,they are announcing to the world they are the freest man alive and will share that with the world,thats why people mistake it as turning itself and the world to rubber but in actuality its just a child like way of imaging and expressing freedom after all luffy is quite child like and by extension all joyboy and nikas should be similer to him hence why they are all described as having rubbery buddies
This is a vague idea, but what if joyboy really was the person that luffy becomes when he activates his gear five, joyboy managed to transform himself into a devil fruit maybe with the help of vegapunk or something only to be reborn in the future. So joyboy really was like that in the past
One piece might be freedom. Someone that finds freedom with no corrupted laws. Luffy might become king of the world and do this. One piece might be the imagination of freedom coming to life from that one person. So if he take defeat military and everyone that standing in his way and take over as a king of pirate this might happen
you mean a Joyboy is Hito a hito-hito nomi model type: Nika. Only a titled name not just a person. So this fruit evaded the WG for 800 years. Maybe the gum-gum fruit has its own will to chose Luffy from the east blue.
I don't believe that there's only been two joy boys. I believe they're only two that have ever gotten the sun god's power. But I do believe that Luffy and the joyboy of 800 years ago. Have similarities that make them more close to one another. But I believe that everyone with the will of d and follow that will closely enough become like joy boy as well. I also believe that anyone who could hear the sea king's talk and hear the giant elephant talk must have something to do with joy boy. If they aren't joy boy then they might be joy boys closest descendants that match the will of d like he did.
It would make sense if there was only two since joyboy was the one who put the one piece on laugh tale and probably the person who discovered the island if you believe that the Nika fruit came from there
I want the world to be happy and free. I want everyone to be as happy as I am. But unfortunately that won’t happen. Not everyone around the world gets along. But Heck, I make my friends and my family and myself happy! I, just like luffy, want a world where world hunger is solved and everyone can eat as much as they want. I was born happy. I’m still happy. I just want everyone to be free and live freely. But that can only happen if we all change this year
Here is a theory. The treasure of one piece is actually the memories and the adventure of the journey until laugh tale. Once you get there and realize there is nothing (materialistic) you find it hilarious, like Gol D Roger did. Zunesha is actually a Person and comrade of Joyboy. He ate a devil fruit that transformed him into that elephant as a punishment for what he did. Also, Shanks is one step ahead of Luffy currently.
Oda specifically said that “he promises its not gonna be some ‘the real treasure was the friends we made along the way’ thing”, BUT man, Gol. D Roger DID say that when he and his crew first came upon the one piece, it was - something along the lines of “a tale that made us all laugh and laugh and laugh”, hence the name of the final island housing the One Piece being “laughing tale island”. Its implied that finding the one piece and the story around it, and what they ultimately got for it, is what made them laugh, and that they laughed out of sheer awe of what theyd uncoveref, but if it was some artifact of Joyboy, it made them laugh their asses off, and you already have to be someone of an ungodly, unreasonable level of power and influence to have the ability and means to get to laughing tale island, it would make sense for the ultimate treasure to be something like “you already have and earned everything you could possibly want just in the process of getting here, dummy!”. Which would be infuriating to someone like Kaido, but to someone like Luffy or Shanks who know how to be humble, laugh it off, and go “alright yep, I set myself up for that” It would be a VERY Joyboy-esque “””treasure””” considering yknow, we’re seeing a LOT of his personality in Gear 5. Perhaps it IS something valuable in an esoteric way that isnt really that interesting to pirates, like a full recap on what happened during the void century and an explanation as to why this world is the way it is (as I saw another commenter point out), but at the end of the day, when the only thing we know is that- basically- a man who trolls so hard he breaks reality left behind something that made the Roger crew laugh their asses off and conclude theyd found everything the world could ever have to offer, which is more likely some sorta lesson or message on being satisfied with what you have, because if a bunch of evil ass turbo-greedy pirates DID happen to just, like, idk get a super huge pile of gold, I highly doubt theres any amount that could be considered “satisfying” to people who are already the most powerful in the world and STILL continuing to search for more power.
since the ancient kingdom was high tech before what if the memories are recorded in video or TV lol and Roger's crew managed to find it wild theory and cringe but this is my speculation lol
Dude new idea.... The one piece roger found was the gum gum fruit and the message was it wasnt time to consume it yet if found. He found it funny he cpuldnt have the prom8sed treasure abd the nature of the story of joy boy all lead to roger decid8ng on laugh tale
Inmu is the reason why zenisha has to roam the world like he is in my opinion. And laugh tale only has one piece of paper on the island as the one piece
I believe at the end of one piece Luffy will die.. and his will will live on through the fruit as a way to comfort the fans.. saying that he (joy boy) will return
Dude dude dude The straw hat is the one piece Gives you rewards Gave shanks the power to obtain 1 billion Bounty early Shanks told his comrades “isnt time to go get it” “the one piece” After seeing luffy strong, the point he was supposed to return the hat
What if the 1st joyboy, Roger and Luffy have the same dream. we still don't know what it is maybe the 1st joyboy find it impossible to achieve maybe because if imu. But what if he meet a mermaid who's like madam sharley and he found that someone will achieve his dream in future. And that's why he left a message and apologize to the mermaid princess and said someone will fulfill his promise. Lastly the treasure he left in laugh tale might be related to their dream that's why the Roger left it there cause Roger know it's not for them . That's why Luffy said becoming a pirate was the step to make his dream come true. Maybe the one piece is a treasure that will fulfill their dream.
After Wano Luffy said he's true dream and said mayby it can be done after he become king of the pirates.. but we dont know what dream he say to straw hat crew 🤔
Wait your forgot about the will of D. On that you can say that Luffy is has the will of Joy boy and always has since before the eating of his devil fruit. And that probably why that devil fruit chose him. Remember when you eat a devil fruit 1 of two things will happen you gain it's power or you die.
That guy would be shanks May be shanks knows what is one piece and there might be the knowledge needed for the new joy boy , thats why shaks said its time to claim one piece and roger said we arrived earlier because joy boy was not emerged
I’m convinced Luffy is half celestial dragon mix that with joy boy he’s going to be super OP also I think zoro is actually a king of hell and sanji is a prince but I’m not sure from where yet
To think Luffy promised Shirahoshi that he will make her walk with her somewhere in a beautiful forest 👀. By the time I couldn't imagine how he would achieve that, until now😮
Roger pirates discovered in laugh tale when will be Joyboy appear so meaning Joyboy knew when he will be born so Luffy is the Joyboy of the past. Basically he time travelled and the story is getting time loop
Hey i Just watched few sec but i have to say Luffys Goal will not Change because he ist Nika because of His Dreams and Goal and how He Sees the world He became Nika. After wano He tells the Crew His real Goal ( which was Always His Goal) and they said:" Yes when you want that IT IS No Wonder that you wanna become pirat king
I have a theory that one peice is actually “PEACE” across the red line is the end of the pirate era.. notice they always say this is the pirate era( hinting there are other eras to come) and knowing this show is set in a post apocalyptic world i think across the red Line is peace away from the world government and when they get there also the end of the pirate era that luffy will lead the new generation through think we can get another 5000 episodes in the next era a more current era
