Sorry Corran, but you get talked about a lot and your images are better than the ones for Gantoris, Kyp and Brakiss so you get to be on a thumbnail. Thanks again to MarMarBunBun for editing.
The Jedi academy trilogy, despite its many plot falls certainly did a brilliant job in showing that Luke even more so in the aftermath of the events of dark empire, is capable of failure and being a teacher, whom is still learning, yet will make mistakes. Which is why he has several students going to the dark Side, with Kyp temporarily and Kuller, being the worst failures in respect of the chaos and damage they wreck across the galaxy as a result of their falls.
Great video. It's frustrating when new canon fans who don't really know about EU Luke outside of him not completely failing and being powerful keep saying he was too perfect. He was arguably a terrible master at first. Plenty of students died, turned to the dark side and/or left his academy initially (with Mara Jade, Corran Horn and Kyle Katarn being in the third category). It makes his later success all the more better.
See I often find the opposite of this lots of Star Wars fans glorify characters like Revan, Luke, and Anakin and never talk about there flaws it’s odd because that is what made me care about any of these characters they had flaws but still were interesting and improved
@@rcbmmines4579 i had more the impression that Sequel Haters hate TLJ Luke because he is flawed and has depression after that terrible Mistake and that "this would never happend to Legends Luke" well, with also not getting that Luke is very depressed and not a Loserhermit
@@enisra_bowman People dislike and even hate TLJ Luke for many reasons. Mark Hamill himself couldn’t see him as his Luke originally and still has regrets over the trilogy even as he praises other parts of it. Sam Witwer also has the same opinion with similar points as Mark. The reasons you pointed out may be true for some but it’s a simplification for the majority, especially actual EU fans. ST Luke was tempted to kill his own nephew and apprentice entrusted to him by his sister and best friend, who he’s been training since childhood. He was tempted long enough to actually bring out and activate his lightsaber (this is the final version of the flashback not Kyle/Ben’s), all for things he hasn’t done yet. And then instead of fixing his mistake, he let it grow worse until it eventually did become as bad as he thought it would. And in the end his legacy was completely destroyed with Rey, who he didn’t really train outside ranting about how the Jedi were failures, being the one who has to do everything he was supposed to again. EU Luke on the other hand learned from his experience with Anakin. Maybe too much. He redeemed Mara Jade, Kam Solusar and Kyp Darron but failed with Gantoris, Desann, Brakiss, Kueller and Jacen/Caedus. Corran Horn pointed out in I,Jedi that Luke was too invested in the idea that anyone could be redeemed to the point of leniency and complacency with Kyp, all because of his emotional bias with Anakin. That’s a much more natural progression, growth and flaw for Luke from the OT IMO. In the end, he still had temptations with the Dark Side in Dark Empire and LOTF, but ultimately the good outweighed the bad. The new generation he helped create still existed even with casualties and new stories can come from them, instead of simply repeating their story but “better”/worse.
@@rcbmmines4579 well, ofc. it's a simplification with two sentences, but as if the People that didn't want to like any point of the Sequels and insult others that not hate them are not Simple ones and that was all that one could get out of them when asked "why new bad?" But a bit like with the Prequels, we've gone from RotJ Luke directly to Fearful and Depressed Luke like we've got no charakter development of anyone between Ep.2 and 3. and only guessed that Anakin had to become Vader because of the OT or whom some charakters even are since we missed basicly all of the Clone Wars. More "Midsequels" might help to clarify the development.
The New Jedi Order really should be more stringent and at times covertly spying on their potentially wayward apprentices all the time... and also their potentially neglectful Masters. Saying this as a guy with military mindsets.
@seekerofnothingness You seem to think I am *Against* silly Lucas names like Moralo Eval. I love them, and love when EU authors choose to give in to the silly side and use goofy names
This vid made me reconsider that canon and legends Luke are not so different after all. Teaching is hard, particularly when you are always asking your students to study autonomously and always play the family/galaxy emergency card.
Yes! There's a lot of good stuff in Canon just like there's bad stuff in Legends. But.....I didn't like how in Canon Luke just quit and exiled himself after Ben Solo's betrayal. Legend Luke persevered.
Ehhhh, Disney Jake and EU Luke have almost literally the opposite flaws. EU Luke is *Too* strong a believer in redemption, and doesn't do enough to find and restrain his runaways. Jake is the opposite with the whole bad dream deal.
Brings into mind how different iterations of Batman have all too variable reasons on giving up the cowl, as seen in contrast with the Batman: Year One+The Dark Knight Returns continuity, the DC Animated Universe especially with Batman Beyond, and the Nolanverse. Either way, Multiverse Theory is such a b***h.
@@enisra_bowman Still a completely different character that lacks continuity with RotJ's lessons, and is based on RJ's own self-admitted personal issues that made him dislike the Throneroom scene. The EU took a surpisingly coherent path forward from what happened in RotJ and even wove Dark Empire in there. Vader's return from the Darkside along with his own redemption with Leia's help left Luke dangerously *Over* optimistic in the power of redemption.
the start and middle of new rebellion are really good kuellers death though disappointing Has alot of emotion too it so I'm not sure, leia ripping his mask off and seeing a young man and feeling terrible for killing him is amazing
8:39 “Yslamari” is pronounced “ees-la-MARR-ee” I believe I love these guys. They are predated on by a tiger-like species which hunts via the force, so they have evolved a way to negate the force locally as a safety mechanism, such that they and everything near them cannot be observed or felt through the force. And this “anti-force bubble” increases exponentially in size, the more Yslamari there are nearby. The biggest downside is, they need to live on a specific kind of wood, which lives on a specific planet. So ya gotta have kind of an operation going. But like, Luke described walking through one of these bubbles in the force, and how utterly disconnected it made him feel from everything else, and how terrifying the experience was for him. The emperor hid a base, a BASE, with these things!
Would you ever consider making a video on EU Palpatine? Including the Byss - Eclipse timeline and how he died in EU permanently? Thanks so much! I watch your videos to sleep at night and its truly amazing over the last year; thanks!
Corey: "I'm not sure Leia can legally hand leadership of the New Republic over to someone else without an election" Corey, one sentence later: "Leia handed leadership of the New Republic over to someone else without an election to do something else".
Nah that was Leia stepping down and Mon Mothma getting confirmed rather than Leia being blackmailed into installing Kueller, whose support in the Senate was lacking.
There likely are certain positions that are eligible to take temporary charge. Kuell3r eouldnfirst have to get one of those positions before leia could hand him the reins
Yh this sort of shows legends issues I think Like jedi training in a span of a year or 2 when prequals showed it took a padawan a decade or so to become a jedi knight
And the Prequels created a whole bunch of retcons and logical inconsistencies that contradicted not only Legends, but the OT as well. Let's not act like Lucas was a great storyteller or character creator.
I still prefer keeping them ambiguous on in-universe historical records, even if it means making them only properly appear in just one video game each.
@@michaelandreipalon359yea honestly whoever that """genuis""" author was that revealed Jaden Korr really ruining their character and Jedi Academy for now. Jaden went from being an ambiguous young adult doing spec ops missions in the game to being just another lame edgy teenage power fantasy character in that book.
Little such thing as failed students. More like failed teachers. Either way, it's cringing failures like these that make me shun teaching as a career choice, both in real life and in making up fictional characters.
You can’t blame Luke for sucking at teaching for a few years. He had to rebuild the order almost from scratch. Plus the reason why he is so sure in the belief of redemption is because he actually managed to turn one of the reigning dark lords of his time with that person being Vader of course. Not even obi wan could help Vader at that point. What Luke did there was very impressive.
