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Lumix S9: Stripped-down, Full-frame 

Tyler Stalman
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First impressions of the Lumix S9, an affordable full-frame daily carry camera
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@ThisIsTechToday
@ThisIsTechToday 4 месяца назад
Random old Asian man just hanging out is so on brand. Lmao.
@AnandaSim
@AnandaSim 4 месяца назад
Isn't that Richard Wong, also a prolific RU-vid reviewer?
@WarChortle
@WarChortle 4 месяца назад
⁠@@AnandaSimnot sure if joking but that isn’t Richard Wong
@Oliur
@Oliur 4 месяца назад
Burst out laughing at 2:58 😂
@mbizozo6271
@mbizozo6271 4 месяца назад
Bro! 🤣
@ADesignersLife
@ADesignersLife 4 месяца назад
So funny 😂
@Luka_Film
@Luka_Film Месяц назад
он главный на районе )
@cselig
@cselig 4 месяца назад
Would love more collabs with the guy at 3:00
@jon112media
@jon112media 4 месяца назад
10/10 samee 😂
@TechOutAdam
@TechOutAdam 4 месяца назад
Would've loved to hear more from him ha ha.
@SolidBrixStudios
@SolidBrixStudios 4 месяца назад
I love that dude.
@user-ov6xn5xy7n
@user-ov6xn5xy7n 25 дней назад
He is frm Sony
@fellowcitizen
@fellowcitizen 4 месяца назад
It sounds like the Lumix re-structure is finally paying off. Hopefully Sigma will update the fp line if this is successful, too. With Blackmagic on board as well, L-mount is finally really compelling, and becoming truly diverse. My dream is that Fuji will license the HVF to Lumix.
@stevenkralovec
@stevenkralovec 4 месяца назад
2:57 I watched that like 10 times and I can’t stop laughing
@cheeeeezewizzz
@cheeeeezewizzz 4 месяца назад
looks like a piece of crap. Worst thing panasonic has ever made.
@pedroregalla3333
@pedroregalla3333 16 дней назад
The more you see, the funnier it gets
@AllThingsFilm1
@AllThingsFilm1 4 месяца назад
For the price, I think the S9 is a great choice. The features it doesn’t have are not deal breakers to me. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@benja1378
@benja1378 4 месяца назад
If it's just about price and you don't need pdaf for video, I honestly can't recommend you the original S5 enough. It's just around 800€ used and mostly the same as the S5ii
@ry2456
@ry2456 4 месяца назад
My thought before hearing the actual price was $1250. I can understand no viewfinder, but no flash capability on top of that? Don't get me wrong, if it goes on sale I am picking one up in green if they make it available body only or with s truly compact at lens.
@andyphotoandfilm
@andyphotoandfilm 4 месяца назад
The fact they "botched" the lenses part is truly sad... I can't wrap my head around why they didn't just focus an making one compact prime with 2.8....
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
I was legit shocked that the pancake was f/8
@toadlguy
@toadlguy 4 месяца назад
What they are doing with the LUTs is terrific. Now Apple should do that as well (maybe in their new Final Cut camera), so you can go back and forth in one video right on the phone.
@Account1746
@Account1746 4 месяца назад
If it’s got the stalman stamp of approval it’s fine by me
@TechOutAdam
@TechOutAdam 4 месяца назад
The video and photo quality is incredible. This seems best for entry level, vlogging folks that definitely want something MUCH better than a smartphone.
@benfromatlantis
@benfromatlantis 4 месяца назад
What is your definition of budget??
@tomdchi12
@tomdchi12 4 месяца назад
Strongly agree that the small lens is a problem considering this as a compact system. A 26mm f4 AF pancake-ish lens would be very appealing (f2.8 would be even better of course!)
@LoverOfTech
@LoverOfTech 4 месяца назад
Great video Tyler and awesome meeting again in Japan 👊🏿
@MatthewDangyou
@MatthewDangyou 4 месяца назад
Great video👍🏻 glad you haven’t received any of the “hate” the most of us have gotten probably because your audience makes more sense for this camera. But this camera rocks for travel🔥
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Yeah I think some people are hoping for drama that just isn't there
@simonanthonytrudeau7898
@simonanthonytrudeau7898 4 месяца назад
Probably because most RU-vidrs are shilling this camera like it’s the best new tech ever released…
@PPLRRN
@PPLRRN 3 месяца назад
I dont know why some expect this to have flagship specs. This is a bargain and has more features than the ZVE1. These YT guys are almost always in their studios doing talking heads as well. Which means, their cameras are in a tripod, with studio lights, and using external recorders and mics. So the grip, evf, hotshoe, shutter, and recording limits are all useless to them. And yet they complain more than the intended market.
@kyleledotnet
@kyleledotnet 4 месяца назад
If this was 900 dollars I'd buy it instantly because my S5ii with the 24-105 and microphone is too heavy and bulky to do run and gun style vlogging. I've always wanted something smaller and lighter, but at this price range and the recording time limit is an issue. I really wanted this!! Hopeful for S9ii
@orinorio1
@orinorio1 4 месяца назад
The S9 is the same price as the S5ii. In some sits more. How is it budget camera?
@rsat9526
@rsat9526 4 месяца назад
Nara is really lovely. Been there twice and it is always very charming. About S9, I feel this is more for casual shooter rather than for a more serious individuals.
@connormccaskill
@connormccaskill 4 месяца назад
Man, the footage from Nara looks amazing! I might have to check that place out next time I’m out there. Solid video as always bro!
@pastasauce99
@pastasauce99 4 месяца назад
It's not an asia trip without an oldman standing next to you. It's the Law!🤣
@CHRISnTAKUMI
@CHRISnTAKUMI 4 месяца назад
30 seconds in, had a very familiar vibe...you're in osaka!!!!!
@JasonOverHere
@JasonOverHere 4 месяца назад
Beautiful footage! Balanced coverage on the build as well.
@ArgoFowl
@ArgoFowl 4 месяца назад
2:58 nah this is too funny
@Chaosflo-kc9fh
@Chaosflo-kc9fh 3 месяца назад
Found it in Germany for 1650.- including the 85/1.8! The price of an iPhone pro max. For a family/travel/every day cam I think it’s perfect. I just want the best picture quality and carry it with me, don’t care about the rest and there are many other cams for those who need „more“
@VideographyNatura
@VideographyNatura 4 месяца назад
Pros for S9 vs S5ii: 258g lighter than S5ii, Smaller body, $300 cheaper than S5ii, LUT mayhem if you're into that, Cold shoe Pros for S5ii vs S9: EVF, Mechanical shutter, Dual card slots, Headphone jack, True unlimited recording with a fan, Way more buttons and customization in the body, Proxy recording, 14bit Raw files, Better grip, Weather sealed body, Hot shoe for flash photography and XLR adapter
@estradaphotovideo
@estradaphotovideo 4 месяца назад
ooof yeah the weather-sealing is my biggest problem with the S9. I still use my S5 mark i and that thing has toughed out heavy rain, basically drenched in water with no problem at all. I can't see myself ever going non weather sealed.
@feyyazogunc1868
@feyyazogunc1868 4 месяца назад
Nobody is mentioning about the screen brightness on summer sunny days, since there is no EWF. Will I be able to shoot any picture with confidence ?
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Yeah it drives me crazy not having an EVF. I still get the shots but u can’t double check them
@lalilland
@lalilland 4 месяца назад
It has the same screen as the S5II which goes up around 1000nits plus. It's really usable. I'm not an EVF shooter, and I use my S5II on bright sunny days shooting weddings with no issue. Sometimes I manually force it to the highest setting, because the auto setting sometimes leaves it a bit too dark for my taste.
@fredh3869
@fredh3869 4 месяца назад
You made the best lut, thank you so much!
@macjim
@macjim 3 месяца назад
You mentioned the features the S9 didn’t have such as a mechanical shutter, no hot shoe and no flash built in but the one other missing thing was weather sealing. When the S9 was hinted at in the rumours, it perked up my ears as I would love a compact full frame camera… the Sony option has a tiny EVF so it’s not on my list. But when I saw the specs, and more importantly what it didn’t have I lost interest immediately. So I find myself back looking at either buying the X100VI or the Q3, both of which are almost impossible to get here in Scotland right now. It’s sad they made the decision to leave out what most would say is an essential for any camera… EVF, weather sealing, mechanical shutter and some kind of flash too… 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@stalman
@stalman 3 месяца назад
I wish Lumix had been confident enough to make a proper Q3 competitor
@cammackey
@cammackey 4 месяца назад
Next time I’m getting you in my video danggit.
@joseacarrasm
@joseacarrasm 4 месяца назад
I was wondering why you didn't mention the video limitations and just flash a message about them in the screen. I guess is to avoid not being invited the next trip 😊
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
I’m pretty the Panasonic team can read as well as you can
@joetotheworld1834
@joetotheworld1834 4 месяца назад
I guess camera companies must be having a hard time these days with most people using phones instead. But good looking cameras are always fun to collect lol.
@jeffmpvd7689
@jeffmpvd7689 4 месяца назад
Beautiful footage, love full frame. However, I would not buy a camera workout a viewfinder! In bright sunlight a rear screen is hard to work with.
@gripperharris
@gripperharris 3 месяца назад
hi, not a camera for me, but i thought yours was a very good and balanced review.
@yoshitravelsjapan
@yoshitravelsjapan 4 месяца назад
Id love to see a beauty mode/ smooth skin mode in this camera since it seems to be mainly for social media and content creation
@bigdave1885
@bigdave1885 4 месяца назад
It cant be true that they removed any sign of a viewfinder for the size. Other example exist of small fullframe cameras
@fellowcitizen
@fellowcitizen 4 месяца назад
P.S. They're not auto-focus, but the two lenses which I've had in mind for my Leica TL2 are these M-mount Voigtlaender lenses: 28mmF2.8 at 106g; and the 35mmF1.5 at 188g. The M-L adaptors weigh between 75-100g depending if you get a close-focus mechanism.
@DanyGiletto
@DanyGiletto 4 месяца назад
I'm wondering, since the real time lut feature is available on the s5ii, but not with it's integrated button. Can we essentially do the same thing on that bigger camera? As far as capabilities and the results of the images coming out? Also do you think the lumix lab app will be compatible with the s5 ii regarding luts?
@caliform
@caliform 4 месяца назад
random 3 minute guy is my favorite new character
@Ey3shi3ldtv
@Ey3shi3ldtv 4 месяца назад
If you guys sell it Im all in. I have s5 of course i wanted to update to s5II solely for the AF (from garbage to usable) As I was expecting a s1h II or something like that I was waiting. But a s9 could fit me, I rarely shot more than 15 min footage. I also shoot an olympic champion and when Im with him he wants to have the file really fast (so back to hotel to unload+ short edit and send him back) I could see a really good use of s9 in this scenario. wether its photo or video sometimes I retouch some but he still just post some raw photos. So if at least I could have a lut on it etc that would be already cool for a fast share
@renzheng
@renzheng 4 месяца назад
Perfect b camera for s5 owner
@Ey3shi3ldtv
@Ey3shi3ldtv 4 месяца назад
@@renzheng 200-400$ less it would have been perfect. Lets wait 1year then its prize will be interesting.
@Luka_Film
@Luka_Film Месяц назад
Ваши Луты будут в приложении от Панасоник ?
@omnymisa
@omnymisa 4 месяца назад
I want them to take LUTs to m4/3, and the pocket lineup too, all the Lumix cameras 🥰
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
A family member just today told me the plan to buy an older m43 Lumix, I wish they had a newer option
@omnymisa
@omnymisa 4 месяца назад
@@stalman I Wouldn't blame that person weather just want to learn or have something to have fun that doesn't cost a lot and plenty of capabilities and one of the easiest for the user interfaces since ages. I hope that family member of your have a good time with it!
@howardmcmillian5764
@howardmcmillian5764 4 месяца назад
2:57 "we've been trying to contact you concerning your car's extended warranty "
@operez3
@operez3 4 месяца назад
I would think that a better comparison would be this camera vs. The Sony A7C2. Both full frame. Both compact.
@РоманКрасницький
@РоманКрасницький 4 месяца назад
Such video limits in 2024. OMG, Panasonic, what are you doin'?
@estradaphotovideo
@estradaphotovideo 4 месяца назад
Probably would go for it if it was weather sealed. I've got an S5 Mark i and a Fuji X pro 2/pancake set up. I Was "hoping" to replace the Xpro 2 to have a compact daily with my L mount EcoSystem.
@jan-martinulvag1953
@jan-martinulvag1953 4 месяца назад
After seeing so many negative videos about the camera it was good to see this.
@enshongmiranda
@enshongmiranda 4 месяца назад
A photo-centric design for a Video* Creator's Camera....with a short video recording limit. 😅
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
I feel like that record limit is their biggest problem
@somewhatboxes
@somewhatboxes 4 месяца назад
i was constantly hoping the guy would reappear throughout the review
@PawFromTheBroons
@PawFromTheBroons 4 месяца назад
So their LUT feature is essentially a Conversion LUT + a Stylistic LUT in one go?! ❤️
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
I can be or you can stack two luts, a transform and a style
@PerfectCode
@PerfectCode 4 месяца назад
Which Sigma lenses would you recommend for this camera?
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
I would basically use Sigma when the Lumix lenses isn't small enough, so the 17mm, 24mm and maybe 35mm seem great. But I haven't used them outside a store yet
@vladibarraza
@vladibarraza 4 месяца назад
3:09 15 minute record limit? 😮‍💨
@shaananwalsh7513
@shaananwalsh7513 4 месяца назад
This thing is trash.
@50450720
@50450720 4 месяца назад
So you download the image to your phone and then upload? Why not just shoot on your phone? How long before an app alows 1 touch LUT application on your phone, and then the S9 becomes useless.
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Kino just launched for 1 touch lut on the phone But if full frame cameras also look very different than phone
@photojoseph
@photojoseph 4 месяца назад
Great seeing you in Japan! You guys gotta come visit my little country on one of your international adventures 😊
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
You too, and thanks for the LR tips!
@MateenTrackHd1.0
@MateenTrackHd1.0 Месяц назад
Best part 2:58 😮
@NotALot-xm6gz
@NotALot-xm6gz 4 месяца назад
“Smaller than an X without a lens” is like describing “Ford’s new F-150 is lighter than the same size Chevy if you don’t fit an engine”.
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
😂
@Yusaku_VCP
@Yusaku_VCP 4 месяца назад
3:00 Ojisan! Stop it please! Hahahaha
@TheJamesBraun
@TheJamesBraun 4 месяца назад
There was no Fuji X100iv. Why not comparing it to the vi instead? ;)
@luisneumannp2748
@luisneumannp2748 4 месяца назад
Any info on when the app will be available?
@menjivarTv
@menjivarTv 4 месяца назад
I'm torn between the fujifilm XS-20 and this one, I just want a camera to take jpgs on family trips without thinking too much about it, I'm guessing because of the full frame sensor, this camera would be better for moving subjects or night photography
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
If there’s a lens that seems like a good fit on the Lumix, you’ve got more maximum quality potential from it. But the Fuji shooting experience will be more enjoyable.
@xrs1257
@xrs1257 3 месяца назад
So what lens suit for now?
@iammz81
@iammz81 4 месяца назад
Is this really a budget option for 1500?
@AndileMasikane
@AndileMasikane 4 месяца назад
Just a random wholesome Hello 3:00 😊
@masterofcamera
@masterofcamera 4 месяца назад
2:58 is gold hahaha
@LaFuenteOnFilm
@LaFuenteOnFilm 4 месяца назад
Bro at 3:00 was a vibe 🤣🤣🤣
@Thedrewshow559
@Thedrewshow559 4 месяца назад
What lens were you using when filming with the monitor
@Mark-ql5ni
@Mark-ql5ni 4 месяца назад
If you get a plug-in battery would it go beyond 15 minutes for video?
@nathansstuff1547
@nathansstuff1547 4 месяца назад
It doesn't have a good cooling system, so that 15 minute limit is cause it'd overheat otherwise.
@PhotowalksTV
@PhotowalksTV 4 месяца назад
Osaka looking good!
@PhotowalksTV
@PhotowalksTV 4 месяца назад
sorry, make that Kyoto.
@AniaB
@AniaB 4 месяца назад
both 😍
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Both! Good eye 😉
@pureheartvisuals
@pureheartvisuals 4 месяца назад
@@stalman I noticed you Monitor on top in one short clip. Need your insight on something. So I have multiple S5 II for Professional Event Work… could I slap on one of my Atomos Ninja V for those moments I need a long form safety shot. So I can use this as a hybrid ?
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
@@pureheartvisuals That actually wasn't my camera, it as someone else in the group but Panasonic did say external recorders won't have a record time limit
@JaredBishopFilms
@JaredBishopFilms 3 месяца назад
Do you sell the Under NDA hat??
@achrafmel
@achrafmel 4 месяца назад
Those record limits must be a joke 🥲
@pdcorlis
@pdcorlis 4 месяца назад
Lumix created a lens cap with a small hunk of glass on the front… can you put filters on the lens? Nope…
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
You can’t even put a lens cap on it
@jamescaldwell5
@jamescaldwell5 4 месяца назад
I am very curious how easy it is to use the punch in zoom for manual focus, Because like my sigma FPL I would assume that this would be great with some fast manual focus lenses. Esp the very affordable stuff coming out of china. TTArtisans 50 F2 or Pergear 35 F1.4 would probably both be great. If I worked in a camera shop I would have plenty of those on hand to demo with the camera to potential customers that have never been able to play with Bokeh before.
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
On my normal AF Lumix lenses, the punch in is great. But the weird thing is that the MF 23mm lens wouldn’t do it automatically, I had to tap a button I ordered that TTArtisan so I’ll find out soon
@jamescaldwell5
@jamescaldwell5 4 месяца назад
@@stalman I have to tap a button on my Sigma FPL as well, in the settings you can decide whether it’s a Picture in Picture or a full screen push in. The sigma also has a touch screen allowing you to quickly select where in the frame you want to punch in, how do you select this on the LUMIX? If you have other L mount cameras, I love my 7artisans 50 F1.05 but it’s larger and more expensive, much less of an impulse buy than the 50 f2. I recently picked up the monster TTArtisans 90 f1.25 with lots of compromise to deliver extremely dreamy bokeh filled portraits. Also my solution to LED banding is just to set the shutter speed to 1/60 and the ISO to Auto for indoor shooting.
@restlake
@restlake 4 месяца назад
@@stalmanI want to say that there is an override in the S5 to force the punch in on MF? been awhile since I set that up
@ChowDownDetroit
@ChowDownDetroit 3 месяца назад
no mic jack is a deal breaker.
@stalman
@stalman 3 месяца назад
It has a mic jack, what it's missing is a headphone jack
@johntupper1369
@johntupper1369 4 месяца назад
Too stripped down for me to consider. Will wait for future lumix L mount bodies to consider
@juaninamilli
@juaninamilli 4 месяца назад
“Hello” 😂😂😂
@mbismbismb
@mbismbismb 4 месяца назад
ummmmmm no flash photography too bad...i think lumix should just release a handycam style much more comfortable to hold if they are serious about photography in this
@abmbarry
@abmbarry 2 месяца назад
I like the full frame, ... Nothing else! No flash? no viewfinder, really? It's a bit like a full frame phone that can't make calls. Stripped down and usless unless you only want limited video.
@smetljesm2276
@smetljesm2276 4 месяца назад
Does it have in body focus bracketing/stacking for macro?
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Yes it does, same as the S5II
@smetljesm2276
@smetljesm2276 4 месяца назад
@@stalman That's great. Thanks 😊
@makellbird2634
@makellbird2634 4 месяца назад
What camera are you using to film this vlog though?
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Almost everything is shot on the S9, except a couple on the S5II
@ricliquid
@ricliquid 4 месяца назад
It looks a lot like the XE-4
@dantecorbett2221
@dantecorbett2221 4 месяца назад
Will MP4 Lite & Lumix Lab be coming to the S5iiX?
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Lumix Lab for sure, they didn’t say about MP4 lite but probably
@dantecorbett2221
@dantecorbett2221 4 месяца назад
@@stalman Thx for the quick response :)
@choqao
@choqao 4 месяца назад
@HappyMyTime
@HappyMyTime 3 месяца назад
NO FLASH?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
@sajjadal-lawati3133
@sajjadal-lawati3133 4 месяца назад
if not 40 mp at least 33 mp
@reaxxion
@reaxxion 4 месяца назад
1,500 a budget camera? 😭 somebody buy it for me since it’s soooo on a budget
@ultraman8899
@ultraman8899 4 месяца назад
Hello 🙂
@yizhe7512
@yizhe7512 4 месяца назад
I'm a lumix fan, and also like your video quite a bit. But this is ridiculous to say this video is NOT sponsored by them! Come on! They flew you to Japan, and with all the things sorted like hotel rooms right?! And you basically had a free trip to Japan, playing with the newest camera, making a video (get views and money on RU-vid). If you dare to say anything major to harm their products' sale, guess whether you would be invited next time?
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
I think I'm pretty clear that they flew us to Japan and covered our expenses for the event days of the trip. If that's too much conflict of interest for you then you can view it as if it's sponsored, but there's a big difference in terms of how I cover the product. For one, a sponsored video will never be a review, so when I say sponsored don't expect my opinions within the sponsored segment. On a press trip, we are absolutely allowed to say what we dislike about the product, which I did in this video, and so what if we don't get invited back? The money I'll make on RU-vid from this video if it gets 20k views, is $70.
@AniaB
@AniaB 4 месяца назад
+ we stayed an additional 10 days in Japan on our own time and dime still shooting footage for the video and doing work outside of anything to do with the brand. i get it. lots of ppl making assumptions without actually understanding the nature of freelance work
@OCD.Reader
@OCD.Reader 4 месяца назад
Bro skip the shooting in public, at least in japan. No need to turn asia into usa where you cannot walk a block without walking into someone’s video. Just enjoy the video, shoot samples and voice over later.
@simonanthonytrudeau7898
@simonanthonytrudeau7898 4 месяца назад
“Cinematic Colors” Bro it’s 4:2:0 lol
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
🤨
@jerrydmaya
@jerrydmaya 4 месяца назад
8:32 the deer probably doesn’t understand you…. Given that they all speak Japanese obviously 😂
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
I know 🥹
@AniaB
@AniaB 4 месяца назад
they speak the universal language of love 🥹
@chrisdals5182
@chrisdals5182 4 месяца назад
Why would I want to transfer full-frame quality to my phone to put on instagram? I don't understand.
@takuan650
@takuan650 3 месяца назад
Looks too half arsed to me.
@riez1150
@riez1150 4 месяца назад
2:58 He must be from China
@magnuspym
@magnuspym 4 месяца назад
Won't replace my fuji x100S until it gets an evf or Ovf.
@warrenc2306
@warrenc2306 4 месяца назад
Hello 😂
@EdVizenor
@EdVizenor 4 месяца назад
1st🎉
@Johnny-Aloha
@Johnny-Aloha 4 месяца назад
This camera is about $600 overpriced.
@DelusionalNYC
@DelusionalNYC 4 месяца назад
GERALD UNDONE EXPOSED YOU. Unsubscribed.
@stalman
@stalman 4 месяца назад
Did he? Seemed like he had a pretty fair and balanced video that doesn’t conflict with mine
@Abc1987
@Abc1987 2 месяца назад
Wow. What a crazy comment. I think this was a pretty fair video, Tyler pointed out it’s a limited camera but came in cheaper than the competitors. That lens is a litmus test: the reviewers who were on board with that thing lost credibility.
@ledoov
@ledoov 4 месяца назад
No viewfinder, and no FLASH! no go.
@themostbeautifulworldever
@themostbeautifulworldever 4 месяца назад
It's a stupid camera. Too little, too late.
@mweber2000
@mweber2000 4 месяца назад
Budget? At $1800, what world are you living in?
@yasunakaikumi
@yasunakaikumi 4 месяца назад
calling 1499usd a budget? lol...
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