LUVOIR Mission | This Is What Comes After James Webb 

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That’s actually a really cool idea. Like in the US with each new administration they change the projects so literally nothing gets done. But if there was like a world tax administered by the UN or something for everyone above idk let’s say 3x the poverty line there was a 1% tax that went to space that would be so cool. Imagine how far it would propel humanity. I suppose in practice though each country would want to have some proprietary space technology and certain countries wouldn’t want to work together - but a really cool idea I would certainly contribute

Thats a great idea

Agreed. If I were a billionaire, I'd be throwing money at these projects

That is EXACTLY why it doesn't happen because it would threaten the treasonous corruption of congress, government and business as usual. Sucks because I bet if we had direct ballot initiatives and direct funding initiatives we probably would be a much better off civilization.

I feel you. Hey, we may find it in our lifetimes.

@@Cosmoknowledge Just think how amazing it would be to even find bacteria out there.. And yet we live on a planet thriving with how many different species??? Life is awesome.. But why us? Why here? I just think the universe is too big and the timelines just aren't parallel. Elon Musk was talking about how many One planet Civilizations have existed?? I just want anwsers!! Lol

@@Cosmoknowledge I wanna be alive when we head out on a voyage to one of these worlds ;P

@@ashd9196 I know it's not going to happen in my lifetime, but that would be awesome.

it's already here dude :D, ETs come and go by the many thousands daily, disclosure is a difficult thing, because the government wish to hide the fact longer and maybe for most part, ETs are afraid of hysteria so maybe they don't expose them selves to large masses of people, I've seen some strange and mysterious things my self :D

Oh, so glad to watch that smooth launch.

True. But I'm optimistic about JWST. All these years, all those minds put into work, all that effort and money, and all that patience just to make sure everything works flawlessly. This has to work. But let's wait and see. ✌

@@Cosmoknowledge Well if it doesn't just build a new updated one, I doubt the second one will take another 30 years and 10 billion. So I guess it depends on JWST, if it works at least mostly as planned, then you think about the next bigger/better space telescope. If it doesn't then JWSTv2 would be the more obvious choice instead. (one could and probably would argue if they should just fix what may go wrong, or do some other updates), but honestly lets just keep fingers crossed it does work just fine, then we get LUVOIR.

It launches in 6 hours!!! 🤞🏼🤧 let’s hope all goes well

@@Icedpaperclips it is going so well so far 🚀😍 Waiting for the first image from JWST with my nails between my teeth.🥺

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Great idea, just tell China, Russia, and others to do that. They would never.

@@keesvanoosbree5911Scientists work very well together. The problem is governments led by politicians who sow distrust…

@@keesvanoosbree5911 u realize its not just chinas and russias fault?

@@arian6565 Completely agree. They are the ones that are being the stupidest of all and want another world war

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You don't know how much work goes through this.

budget is there to keep scope creep in check.

it needs to have a budget or it'd be a never-ending project.

The pentagon spends more money in about 14 months , adjusted for inflation, than NASA has spent since its inception in 1958. Far more is spent on social programs than science and space.

Can't wait for its launch.

James Webb is just a criminal waste of money. Nothing more.

@@ericvosselmans5657 Ew, close minded fool

@@Cosmoknowledge tomorrow 🙂

Every American payed 50 bucks over 20 years

I know right!? But let's see what happens with Webb first.

If someone in EU farts too loud they scrap the Webb launch…… that’s what happens when projects cost 100’s of billions…. Good Luck on whatever’s next…. We won’t live to see it fly

@@Glostahdude This is science.. Never say never!

JWST had to practically invent lots of things, such as the multilayer, unfolding sun shield, multi-panel unfolding main reflector mirror, etc. If LUVOIR uses a similar architecture, it can capitalize on the R&D already done for JWST.

I know. It's sad. But hey, we have never been so close to its launch date.

That’s true, but these space telescopes need a lot of time until they are sent to space. So we need to plan early. Let’s take a Look at the last big telescopes. At the beginning of a decade the NASA decides one big Telescope. Hubble: Decadal Survey 1972 Launch: 1990 -> 18 years Chandra: 1982 - 1999 -> 17 years Spitzer: 1991 - 2003 -> 12 years SOFIA: 1991 - 2007 -> 16 years JWST: 2001 - 2021 (most likely) -> 20 years Roman: 2010 - 2027 (estimated latest launch date) -> 17 years Sure the JWST is taking much time, but it is not so much out of the line. These telescopes need much time. So we need to decide what is coming after JWST and Roman. When they should be launched between 2030 and 2040 we need to start on them soon. And here is an error in the video: If LUVOIR is picked, its estimated launch date is 2039, OST, Lynx and HabEx have a estimated launch date of 2035.

@@leod9442 JWST development actually began in 1996, went under a major redesign in 2005, completed in 2016, then testing started in 2016. So its been 25 years and cost 20x more than its initial budget. I will be holding my breath during launch and deployment!

Yes JWST had a initial launch date of 2007

If Webb fails in some way, given there's no way to fix it once it sets off in earnest, it'll set back similar projects 100+ years due to all the cost overruns and controversies. Considering the light pollution programs like StarLink etc are going to cause for ground based telescopes, we cannot screw this up. The vast majority of delays are a result of these realizations more than just bloated bureaucracy. Might as well have a plan for JWST's successor in the works in the event it functions as planned, given this length of time and testing is the new normal for anything that expensive being sent to L1/2.

You will certainly be informed. This is really interesting. Thanks, my friend!

That's what I believe as well.

What if we build a assembly unit with ISS so first launch to ISS in parts get assembled and second launch to orbit ... will that work?

"We won’t use the ISS as a departure point for cost reasons. First, the ISS today is a microgravity research lab, not a spacecraft assembly hangar. Modifying it for assembly, checkout, and propellant storage would cost billions of dollars NASA does not have. A second, more serious problem is that the ISS orbit is inclined to the equator at 51.6 degrees, as opposed to a 28.5-degree orbit reached by launching straight east from Kennedy Space Center. (We chose the ISS orbit so the Russians could reach it from their launch sites farther north.) To haul spacecraft parts and propellant to ISS for assembly in that high-inclination orbit, we would lose about 20 percent of each rocket’s payload capacity, since we can’t use as much of the Earth’s eastward rotation to give us a free boost to orbital velocity. That payload penalty would add billions to the costs of any deep space expedition assembled at ISS" -NASA

True. I think if we build bigger rockets we need to construct orbital shipyards to assemble them away from earths gravity

@@rebelman7837 don’t even need to be how most picture a shipyard from sci fi either. Something not even half the size of the ISS would work wonders for early assemblies, and cut down on costs for future space launches as well. Imagine being able to send out the different complicated parts separately. Something that can’t launch from earth becuase the structure wouldn’t be able to reach orbit assembled, could launch from said orbit. While it won’t be able to produce things as complicated as a satellite itself, we could create things much more complicated by just puzzle piecing things together

True. The real nail biter is in two days.

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wasnt JWST's cost supposed to be measured in hundreds of millions? Ended up costing 10 billion :D If they propose to launch in mid 2030s I wouldn't expect it until at least 2045

@@user-zb8tq5pr4x it's about to launch right now

@@aronchangepfp6643 he was talking about luvior in second sentence

Yes. It's finally happening. 😌

Successful launch!

Interesting!

right . james webb seems a lil 2 dimensional 😐🤔 jk

I know right!? If this concept goes on, I hope there won't be too many delays. 😄

@@Cosmoknowledge 😁 right!

I dont think there was any need to use bigs words mate :|

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Oh, thank you for watching! 😌

Actually, now it's launching on 25. But can't wait.

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I totally agree.

Thank you so much! I truly appreciate that.

I hope so. 😌❤

And it will do what Webb can't do and that is to find life on exoplanets. The Webb isn't even good to what the LUVOIR is capable of. Too bad it won't launch until 2050...

@W Believe me, when I tell you you need to read book called, "The Road To Serfdom" by FA Hayek. It will explain everything to you. Humans are meant to be slow due to the inherit traits of society that prevent humanity from ever evolving. Only outliers can change things, but that requires immense intelligence and resources. Look at Nancy Pelosi, she does inside trading that if you did the same. You would go to prison, yet she and her husband have accumulated over a hundred-million dollars from doing. And it isn't just her, it is many legislators. We(humanity) will never reach "star trek" technology within the next 2000 years. It just won't happen.

That's so awesome to hear. Thank you! 😌

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I think they meant for that type of wavelength they are looking at? That didn't make sense to me either

I thought the exact same thing, they should've done a little more research

In another comment, he responded that he meant space based telescopes and that was an accident!

I don't know the others, but one of them is the "string of pearls" design for a telescope that uses _the gravitational field of the sun_ to magnify objects, lol. It's a pretty sick design, and has some absurd almost sci-fi like qualities and potentials (including direct imaging of the surface of exoplanets), but is theoretically possible and being researched.

The other 3 missions include the Lynx X-ray telescope, the Origins telescope which will detect far-infrared light, and the HabEx telescope, which would use a star shade to block the light of distant stars in order to view the planets that orbit them.

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Nope. Hubble is the biggest SPACE telescope, it has a mirror of 2,4 m, LUVOIR-A would be 39times bigger area wise, LUVOIR-B 11times bigger JWST will be the biggest Space telescope soon, it has a mirror of 6,5 m, LUVOIR-A would be 5,3times as big, LUVOIR-B 1,5times as big, or +50%, but you can't compare IR telescopes that easily with optical telescopes, because the more red the light, so the mirror needs to be bigger, for the same angular resolution. JWST will be as sharp as Hubble, despite its 7,3times bigger Mirror (area wise). The biggest Monolith Mirrors on Earth and Ground are 8-8,4 m big, VLT and LBT as example, and L-A would be 3times as big, L-B would be as big. The biggest Telescope is Gran Telesopio Canarias with 10 m and L-A would be 2,25 times as big. Or +50% if we compare just the diameter. So Earth or Ground based was correct. On the website of LUVOIR there is a comparison of the simulated outcome of Hubble, LUVOIR A and B and the 39m E-ELT. Surprisingly the image of LUVOIR would be comparable to E-ELT.

Oh, thank you for watching!

Indeed. Thank you!

LUVOIR will produce an angular resolution that is 5-10 times better than the JWST.

@This There are telescopes for all kinds of wavelengths of the EM field. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-ray_space_telescopes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submillimetre_astronomy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_telescope And even "telescopes" that are not looking for EM radiation en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational-wave_observatory en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_detector

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there is this nasa project(SGL) that still in infancy it plans to scatter bunch of small mirrors 550SU away from the sun using its gravity as a lense to gather data. with such magnification it can discover atmospher composition of planets bilion years further from us. it seems promising

@@evanmedi6144 The Solar Gravitational Lense is a pretty cool concept. Launchpad Astronomy did a good video on it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NQFqDKRAROI.html It does have some pretty big downsides though, time to get equipment into location and can't practically aim it at more than one area. We need to be pretty sure what we want to look at with that level of detail before it's seriously considered.

Size and mass also constrain telescopes. If you wanted a telescope that could see extremely far away than any other that we have it would lead to a formation of a black hole.

@@mwanikimwaniki6801 only if your telescopes mass is dense enough. You'd also be talking so much larger than anything we currently have to be on a completely different scale. Like multiple orders of magnitude difference. We would need an absolutely huge amount of mass to cause there to be enough density from gravity for it to collapse into a black hole, or to some how increase the density artificially.

@@nic.h That's exactly my point

no need. just launch a small fleet of satellites and they can be digitally connected to create a virtually enormous telescope. "just"!

ps, I learned that from Fraser Cain

We already have 2. voyager 1 & 2. Buttt communications gets spotty when it take 19 hours to send a signal one way......

In order to land on an asteroid, you have to match its position (to reach it) and its velocity (in order to not impact too fast). In other words, no fuel would be saved by latching onto an asteroid compared to just sending something on the same trajectory. Such a mission would only have additional risk of impact. There's still plenty of reason to land on asteroids to study them, however.

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Hey, thanks for your input, man! ✌

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Can you elaborate on that? Both being in L2 it's very hard to get there to make any fixes once it is in space?

@@georgelionon9050 how is it gonna be serviceable when it's 1 MILLION km out there?

What do you mean by serviceable?

How nice would that be!

its my opinion that this very question is one of the Great Filters that keep smart civilizations from becoming truly great. mastering human greed and ego in order to cooperate globally across cultures and nations would require the intercession of the divine. its just not possible the way things are now.

Hey, thank you for your input!

Yes, thank you so much for your feedback!

The exoplanets are unreachable since our space engines are non cosmic travel made and Iinflationary universe.

@@edthoreum7625 But form of lifes can start in a same way,

I believe so as well.

Life as we know it on earth was probably an enormous fluke as a result of the dinosaur extinction.

@@thomasmorin749 But the existence of dinosaurs on earth is proof in itself that life was happening on this planet one way or another. Humanity's ascent to the top may be a fluke, but people act like dinosaurs weren't successful in their own right (not saying that's how you think). People forget dinosaurs, in some form or another, roamed the planet for hundreds of millions of years. That's a pretty damn successful run, especially compared to our brief time here. Hell, dinosaurs basically still exist today in the form of birds lol. We've got a long way to go as a species if we want to stay around as long as the dinos did.

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Indeed. Soon.

I feel the opposite. I feel like space is full of life, we just haven't scratched the surface in terms of exploration, and those we have already observed, we've done so with very primitive instruments.

Even at less than 1%, that could still mean there are potentially millions of habitable worlds just in our own galaxy.

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Came looking for this clarification. Cheers.

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There are a few plans for lunar telescopes but they're all radio from what I've read thus far. Even on the far side of the moon there's too much interference for an IR telescope like Webb, hence the necessity for an L2 orbital placement. There's no real way to gauge how easy or inexpensive it would be comparatively though. The logistics for constructing what would have to be a massive radio array in such a harsh environment would mean either a permanent base - which I think we definitely need - or basically a fleet of automated vehicles to deploy it with little to no room for error. No more a sure thing than Webb or LUVOIR, but no less necessary imo.

You would be pretty much 0k.

yea i bet it would be cool.

too cool maybe

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Hey, I hope they learn from Webb. 😄

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We can dream

The team behind this telescope probably learned the lesson from Webb. 😄

Let’s take a Look at the last big telescopes. At the beginning of a decade the NASA decides one big Telescope. Hubble: Decadal Survey 1972 Launch: 1990 -> 18 years Chandra: 1982 - 1999 -> 17 years Spitzer: 1991 - 2003 -> 12 years SOFIA: 1991 - 2007 -> 16 years JWST: 2001 - 2021 (most likely) -> 20 years Roman: 2010 - 2027 (estimated latest launch date) -> 17 years Sure the JWST is taking much time, but it is not so much out of the line

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Bonkers.

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Wow!

Yes. Soon.

No one knows. We can just expect NASA to announce something.

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Maybe.

Is there I want to check it out

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@@Cosmoknowledge can you believe it was delayed by a day lol I so saw it coming. It's officially the Christmas gift of the cosmos

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What a future we have.

Technology is constantly growing. Mid 2030s may be possible thanks to the boom in knowledge.

I hope they learn from Webb. 😄

@@Jc-cv2ug VERY little of the delay was due to a lack of technology. The biggest obstacle was convincing those in power that this was a worthwhile investment. Even WITH the advances that Hubble brought to us, this was a hard fight. I don't see JWST offering advances considerably better than the advances Hubble brought. Yes, Hubble was, is, and always will be extremely important - but importance has little to do when it comes to getting funded.

@@Cosmoknowledge I have no doubt that we cannot even conceive the things JWST will teach us (like a fish could not predict fire when it left the water)... but will it prompt further investment???

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There are over 2000 billionaires around the world and sadly it ain't their priority. Elon's more focused on Mars.

Yes. The developement of JWST started shortly after.

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Not really. It's way better than that.

The JWST is an infrared telescope. The only visible light it sees it the lowest frequency red, and everything else it sees is infrared only. LUVOIR will detect higher frequencies such as UV, and visible light as well, so yeah, you're wrong.

It's a rotating solar system lamp.

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Maybe updates will come.

LUVOIR will be able to take actual pics.

You don't necessarily need an actual image of a planet to definitively determine whether life is present or not. Well detailed spctra of these planets' atmospheres would be good enough

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@@Cosmoknowledge BLIMPEY. THE AIR SMELLS CREAMY HERE.

Indeed. But some people are old to work now 😄.

Maybe we need new builders, so we can get different ideas.

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