I'm assuming Touma is the one who can break illusions but who's the other one? Kumagawa literally erases anything from existence. He should be the one who destroys illusions and not even illusions he can destroy anything he desires. I guess he does technically create illusions too though through his imagination but still.
@@the-art-of-whoopinyobehind6666 all fiction can work to everything it can erase the world making nothingness. Well kumagawa always lose even he crush all oponents
@@enelenallen all fiction is a reality manupilation skill by Undo all things or removing it, even if touma is not affected, the surroundings,time, movement,memories, Attack, defense,etc. he can undo it or make it become nothing or nothing happens. even every multiuniverse is can be undo by all fiction
@@dragonfell5078 That was Excalibur from the Fate series. It's actually genius that he uses it, see since Excalibur is so powerful it kills anyone that doesn't have enough mana to use it but thanks to『All Fiction』he can just erase his death, which means he can use this overpowered weapon over and over.
@@lordprotector4266 Yeah it's pretty wild to see him using weapons from other series. From Excalibur to the Spear of Longinus and even AT Fields Kumagawa-senpai is a cultured individual
Captain Zen ok this is very hard: touma can negate all fiction but all fiction can negate the negation, these two power create a never ending creation amd negation of illusion
It would make an interesting crossover episode. Though if Touma could grab and hold Kumagawa, then all abilities would fail to trigger as seen in the Touma vs Misaka fight where Misakas inner electric current completely stopped or when Kuroko couldn't teleport him. All fiction could reverse damage after being released from Toumas grip, but it's still esper/magic/special ability meaning Touma's Imagin Breaker is the only absolute power
this is 5 year late but if im not wrong then all mugen is the same, the only different is the character which you could add in whenever you want. Most "version" of mugen is just stuff that people already put like 100 character in for you so that you don't have to waste time putting each one in.
Kumagawa stomps touma pretty easily eiven without his powers kumagawa is faster,stronger and more durable while touma is just a street fighter plus he needs to touch someting in order to negate it and kumagawa chould just kill him before he got the chance to do anything.
Anime&Games Miscellaneous Stuff I’m not saying Touma will win for sure but he seems like one of the few characters that can take misogi on. If Touma’s dragons manage to eat Misogi then he should permanently stay dead.
@@veggieboi4994 to be honest, kumagawa is a dangerous character even without all fiction or book maker. In the manga he received woundes that would keep a normal person in hospital for months... And he stood up like nothing (I'm sorry for my terrible english)
That was an ability (Minus) called "Bookmaker". When the victim gets hit using ability he/she inflicts all the damage that the user (kumagawa) has taken. In the manga people who also fall victim to "Bookmaker" also get their powers sealed. "Bookmaker" can also seal people but its too hard for me to explain.
Wait what?! I'm a big fan of the index series and I can assure you that Touma's punches doesn't delete the original ability. He can delete the varios outcome (special projectiles, power wave, superpunches etc) and that's the whole point🤔 Beside that... This is a fighting game, not the crossover story (I' m sorry for my terrible english 😅)
En realidad touma en su forma normal no puede eliminar las habilidades de kumagawa solo con un puñetazo, ya que solo le afectara al Año fiction cuándo touma lo toque, así que la única manera sería que touma no soltará a kumagawa
People forget touma ability is not beyond going to delete someone existence He literally can delete his father and mother so there no touma anymore he cant delete the power yes but he can delete the source touma must been given birth if he renders that fiction he can undo the reality that gave birth to him and he won
Actually no he can’t lose unlike Kumagawa he doesn’t need to use his ability Touma’s bad luck derived from taking away blessing and curses that means the curse of death and the blessing of the afterlife is taken away making Touma unkillable plus toumas hand if ever cut off orbit as long as he is in an area where matter and probably even antimatter are present could instantly be negated if the seal known as imagine breaker is destroyed that is; why cause Touma is still hiding 98% of his true abilities due tonImagine breaker and some other factor. Not only that he has almost perfect precognition allowing to see attacks much faster and since he is a street brawler he could’ve picked up a few more tricks other than just punching as his physic is almost amazing as he himself without dying got himself out of a lot of trouble. Plus Kumagawa power derives almost by either bending reality or creating an illusion which ever it may be the hand of Touma touching even a common area would negate its effect completely. Plus Kumagawa couldn’t even defeat “that” style user.
DMC HUNTER777 Kumagawa dont bend reality but he deny it so that everything become nothing from existence of power,people to concept which is the base of everything and his weaker All Fiction is Hundred Gauntlet which reverse causality so that the effect came before the cause so just think about what he can do.If he somehow negate All fiction but he need to get pass Bookmaker which is more powerful than All Fiction,it can seal any power no matter how powerful the user or the power is it will seal all of it.And touma fighting styles is trash compare to Kumagawa has endure. 1.He fight Medaka. 2.He had infinite stamina(the fight between Kumagawa and Medaka gonna last for eternity). 3.He fight Zenki which is more skill than Touma. 4.He is smarter,more powerful,more endurance( he get stab get slide,get a punch through the building,get shot at least 5 time in the vital organs,get stab in the throat),he is much faster than any human can reacts
It does matter the type of user, and imagine breaker would negate all fiction, along with book marker. It is ABOVE casuality itself, as attacks involving time and space have also been negated. People wank Kumagawa to the extreme against imagine breaker, not knowing everything it can do.
+Knocks Right but he has "won" before, but even then he says, 「I couldn't win again.」. He has won before and many times but still says he's lost even when he's won.
+Kumagawa Misogi I'm on a lot of other vs too ( I really enjoy watching these things ) it's just I only comment on Kumagawa related vs. trust me though I watch a lot of others
If someone say touma wins,then they clearly don't actually know hpw hard of a person kumagawa is to kill,plus he's way better at fighting than touma,considering he already knows a person's weak points,and his own experience in fighting and losing,so even if he loses his all fiction,or book maker,he can still fight
touma has his own fair share of fighting experience this made him have a sixth sense that allows him to predict people's actions heck he ever even dodged lightning while drunk WITHOUT using his sixth sense
he even defeated a beefed up accelerator who had 100 wings that touma (at that time) couldn't even negate at that time accelerator actually found out about touma's sixth sense and found a way through it AND TOUMA STILL WON
@@overlordzero316 People forget touma ability is not beyond going to delete someone existence He literally can delete his father and mother so there no touma anymore he cant delete the power yes but he can delete the source touma must been given birth if he renders that fiction he can undo the reality that gave birth to him and he won
@@prokiller1509 When did All Fiction erasing someone existence having an effect on other existence? Kumagawa erase his death using All Fiction but everyone still remember it.Why would Touma be affected if his parents get erased considering All Fiction erasing something doesn't interfere with other existence?
Y'know... based on how All Fiction *'actually''* works... and barring the undeniable fact that some how, som way, Kumagawa can just 'never win', Touma would *NEVER* be able to really beat Kumagawa in a straight up fight. All Imagine Breaker essentially does is 'restore the world to its default state', which denies added distortions layers like esper and magic related abilities. Notable exceptions to this include beings with souls native to the 'world' itself and were considered default by definition... or anything with enough power to outright brute force Imagine Breaker's negation ability... like why Touma has to block certain attacks vs outright erasing them. This is rare though, but happens enough yo where it's still a thing to worry about. Kumagawa's All Fiction would technically be considered an esper ability since that's kinda how Munuses functionally operate as abilities, so you'd think that Imagine Breaker's negation ability 'would' apply here, but again, that isn't always the case. Touma can't always negate abilities. Take Kamisato's World Rejector ability for example. All Fiction, and certain other Minuses also fall under a similar category of ability. And functionally speaking, All Fiction is like Imagine Breaker on steroids. It allows Kumagawa to straight up deny anything he wants and 'turn it into fiction'. This includes 'concepts' like 'death' itself. Even if Touma negates something, Kumagawa could just deny the result and undo it., ad infinitum. It'd be an endless loop. The other thing is, Kumagawa could bypass Imagine Breaker altogether by just straight up beating Touma into the ground with his sheer base skill and power, which has been explicitly stated to be second only to Medaka in terms of overall ability... which makes him freakishly physically powerful, minus abilities or not. Nah, the *ONLY* reason Touma would ever reasonably win against Kumagawa would be due to their respective roles as characters. Basically, Touma has plot armor, but Misogi does not... that's it. In any and every other category, even as a bishonen, Kumagawa beats Touma... well, except as a clueless chick magnet... but that's mostly bc of the Sisters clones. Kumagawa is actually (un)surprisingly popular with the ladies. Just ask Kikaijima. It's pretty heavily implied she married him some time befire the epilogue.
