@@ehova5838 yea, the safety is *IN* the trigger guard lol. You have to now squeeze your finger past the trigger, to press the safety forward to disengage. Kinda defeats the purpose of the device if youre still needing to remove a glove to fit a finger in there and remove safety
Ya it did. “Trigger discipline “ is just all the things that are obvious to a normal person inherently but need to be spelled out for all the slower folks so they made rules and slogans But if you just think about it like bruh just don’t keep your finger on the trigger unless there’s a potential enemy element at your 12. Or do you mean from like a conservation/efficiency standpoint? Cus ya I’ll agree with that. They gave everyone full auto rifles in Vietnam and like a million round were shot for every confirmed enemy KIA with small arms fired (Carlos hathcock: “you’d never guess how many it was before I got here on my sniper tour. about 80% of em in this battalion’s AO are mine” *slams large sack of NVA dog tags on table *
Although the Germans did in wwii since many of their standard gas powered small arms required discipline to use properly and manage things like barrel warpage on mg42. For example that weapon system could couldn’t pull down the lever to shoot it for more that a second or 2 at very very most at a time But it shot so fast and would be fired from tripod often with optics and spotter to see over the muzzle flash So holding trigger just briefly is gonna decimate anything in your field of fire at your range But especially on eastern from where the crazy Russians would just send 1000s of dudes running at like perfectly built and geometrically positioned interlocking fields of fire defensive positions and at a certain point even if it was a real life bunker and not a saving private Ryan one where they built the largest possible opening for attackers to have to Best possible odds of killing you without you getting any benefit lol But when you go all these. Easy drunk Russians runnings at yoy and you can feel their “oooohhrahh”s vibrate the ground with the armor element that they are screening. But those guys could t help but hold down that trigger and the barre would just need to be changed constantly like way more than they needed to reload and the assistant gunners and stuff are probably had shaky hands wit all these dudes coming Whereas if it was like Omaha beach where it was too late to call them back and they all just did whatever they could do to not die so they jsut hid on beach til they ran out of ammo and left (since the tanks all sunk due to float design flaw) and small arms could do nothing and bombers misssed due to cloud cover. But so when you aren’t being pressured, one famous GOAT dubbed the butcher of Omaha is estimated by historians to single handedly have killed around 2,500 guys throughout the day with his mg42 that was zero in way out on the beach right at like waist deep so guys were fully exposed but still slowed by water and the walls of dead they have to climb up and over in certain places The only ones to live in that sector of Omaha were guys who just happened to at their moment gun needed new barrel or ammo and they got to place on brim or shingle and just stayed there all day many times had thrown down their weapon just to run faster. And what the guys who serviced witnessed was something that I think not of the dead wouldn’t have traded their life back to hve to see Normally wwii vets just have this spark about them and it’s like the horrors of war didn’t seem to touch our guys in the same way it did others But certain places like this, in every one of those men you can jsut see it seeping from every facet of their being both physically and mentally that they were broken people sadly, and understandably And I saw one thing where they all but forces this guy to go back and like the second he got there I was as if he was there again and just cracked or at least the facade did but Seeing hero’s like that who had to see thousands of people reduced to unrecognizable particles and matter and those yoy could recognize were literally in line to get shot and if you tried to swim to the side or tried escaping you might drown since the life jackets had wrong labels on em and with gear a lot of times would tip guys over and hold ‘em under water or another mg or sniper would get you. But just imagine I mean they had artillery too and it was pre zeroed in. Zero armor or air or arty support.
Most so called winter triggers aren't actually winter triggers. But triggers to shoot rifle grenades so when you shoot your rifle grenade and your rifle kicks back doesn't break your finger when it's in the finger guard.
@@TheTokkin idk because it would be more efficient to have a trigger guard that could be moved out of the way for glove use. Sure you could use it for both purposes but it seems it's original purpose is for rifle grenades
@@thewhalewacker682 the thing is the grenade recoil on the m1 garand isn't that much different from the normal rounds. So i guess its intended purpose was indeed for winter glove use.
@@ghost1591 it's possible but I feel like the design could have been done more efficiently. why add an extra piece when the trigger guard could move out of the way allowing for easy glove use
Holy shit I never knew that!!! I always wondered how infantry were able to keep from frostbite and be able to reliably fire their weapon. Damn I thought I was a WW2 history buff but I have just been humbled. Great video brother!
People also had the classic fingerless mitten so plenty of cold fingers. Also ideally you won't be firing that weapon a lot in winter since fighting in winter sucks but unfortunately war doesn't stop.
@@AnotherHistorianWargamer battle of the bulge came to mind for me. Or the siege of Stalingrad. I know many German soldiers were incapacitated due to hypothermia and frostbite since they weren't properly equipped for winter war.
@@AnotherHistorianWargamer I mean for a lot of history, war did stop during winter, but after we figured out how to keep a lot of people warm cheaply, we started fighting in winter
My grandpa served in the Korean War and he was telling me about this, (he called it a Cold War trigger) I’d originally never heard of it but this is a cool piece of history for one of the sexiest rifles ever made
@@TehButterflyEffect For the most part, no. Most snipers were given 03A4s. Yes, the M1C and D existed and were produced en masse, but they were overshadowed in use by the 03A4 until Vietnam where the M1D was used for a few years until being quickly replaced by the M40.
I've seen the winter trigger before. I knew someone who had one. I think it is the same one for the M-14. However, I never knew there were 2 different trigger guards.
war is not very safe. you give millions of boys and young men guns and send them out to shoot at each other and fire explosives at each other, whether a gun is perfectly safe at all times is not a major concern. better a few ADs then a steady stream of men being invalided home with frostbite if the trigger finger. just teach them to use the safety religiously and you are fine.
How is this in any way unsafe ? The Garand has a prefectly acceptable safety. Winter Trigger or not. If some idiot falls asleep with this thing on and the safety off he deserves to be removed from the gene pool.
With how cheap they are, every M1 owner should have at least one. I live in the south and will never have a need to use it, but still part of the rifle’s accessories like the bayonet or cleaning rod kit.
@@Amac1825 I bought mine from a VFW I volunteer with for $400 a couple years back. Got that and a 1903 for a compiled grand. I owe those men a lot for that lol
I gotta say that I really do like your videos. Even if we didn't see eye to eye at some point but even I learned something new. I say that but I'm learning everyday.
I trained in ROTC in high school with the M1, on the range, in drills, parades, you know, the whole deal. My instructor was a MSgt with almost 30 years, having served in WWII and Korea; he never mentioned that anything like this even existed. I can see that this would be a great aid to the use of your weapon in freezing conditions. Genius.
@@clonescope2433 the atf actually did declare that a piece of string on an m1 trigger is infact a machine gun. Look it up, somebody made a string and a steel loop that makes and m1 shoot "full auto" with help from the charging handle
@@clonescope2433they will go hammer and tongs after ANY device that makes it easier, safer or more comfortable to shoot, regardless of how innocuous it is. That's like there's a new muzzle device that LOOKS like a silencer, but isn't. It's open on the front and directs the sound away from the shooter and damps down on the flash in their field of vision. So of course the ATF is trying to call that both a silencer AND a flash suppressor. Even though it actually makes the gun louder for everyone not behind the shooter. Never underestimate the mental flexibility of people who have dedicated their lives to grinding you down such as the ATF
For a semi auto to reset the bolt needs to cycle. So if you dry fire any semi the trigger will not reset. To test the reset on a semi you’d want to pull the trigger back continue holding the trigger down then manually cycle the bolt then slowly release the trigger and you’ll feel the reset
Semi auto action, if there was a live round, then the gas blowback from the round being fired would force the action backwards and a spring would force it forwards again, chambering another round
You know I always wondered "How tf did they not lose their fingers during the winter ?!?" Cause I mean sub freezing Temps all around them I'm sure they didn't want to be glove-less when the water in their water cantin was frozen 😂😂
Whenever I saw pictures of GI's at the Bulge or in Korea with their big woolen gloves, I always wondered how they got their finger in the trigger guard. Now I know. Crazy clever...
There are several scenes in "Band Of Brothers" where you can see the trigger in action. I already knew about this trigger but seeing it in the show was really neat.
@@cr4zyj4ck imagine your at the front line with your buddy next to you and your elbow gets bumped and you accidentally cap him cause you decided to keep your safety off cause it's hard to switch it with gloves on
Lol winter trigger guards are not exclusive to the USA. In fact, Europeans thought ahead and just made the design into the rifle. Look at any Swiss rifle of the past century.
Ive seen lots of these before, I have a memory of a gunshow I went to as a kid and an old guy had tables FULL of all kinds of Garand accessories including rows and rows of winter triggers/grenade sights/launchers/Rifle grenades, etc. I remember me the little history buff begging my Dad to buy one but my Dad doesnt like "old shit that doesnt serve a purpose" (his words lol). Moral of the story always have cash on you when you go to a gun show. You will never find that thing you want for less money in the future.
G** d*** I've been hunting all my life and I've never heard of that that would habeen so awesome to have on really cold days when I didn't want to take my gloves off to take a shot
You got it backwards, man! The latter trigger guard is the earliest. That's why it didn't work in there. The winter trigger guard device was a late WW II innovation thar went into the Korean War into the 1960's.
He got it right. They went from milling to stamping, milling requires more material and time to produce and has the down side of losing tension faster. With the stamped trigger guard it's faster to produce using less material and as it loses it's tension you can rebend it if needed.
My favourite winter trigger has to be the one for the SIG 510. You can even adjust the pistol grip for it, so some shooters use it to get a longer and softer trigger pull
This weapon was issued to professional soldiers and marines from the Greatest Generation... not soy boys on the internet in 2022. It was to prevent frostbite while they were freeing the world from actual Nazi's and Imperial Japanese.
@@FlyingKSports The stories that came out of that fighting retreat were horrific. Marines with uniforms from the tropical campaigns of WWII, freezing to death in their fox holes, low on ammo, food and medicine. Devil Dogs indeed!
Almost never need it in Texas but got one just because. Belonged to my Granddad and my favorite rifle. My FILs Remington bolt action 12 ga is equally a favorite. A Goose hunting model I think but love it. Feel privileged he chose to gift it to me in passing. Anything 12ga is chambered for it and really versatile. I learned copy him during dove season. I didn't hunt birds much before going with him. I can slam in another quail load but if I need to reach out further and not destroy a dove at distance. Can do it with a Mag Duck load between my fingers. I can do that crazy fast now but not going to lie. Mixed them up a couple of times at first and regrettably only thing left was feathers. 3 round capacity is for amateurs. It meets legal specifications. I get my 15 and go home. Don't sneak out and pretend an evening hunt is also the daily 15 and go for 30. Limit is 15. I get 15 and sometimes a couple of invasive species with no limit and go home to cook it. Love that shotgun. Never seen another one like it.
This looks way better than the thumb trigger types, though it's more dangerous because you might set a shot off by accident just by grabbing the gun and it would suck if you lost the attachment.
Cooler accessorie . Winter Trigger 😄. Would we have had something like that for all rifles? Sure hadn’t heard of that before. Can’t say that I have seen one in a museum either.
We learned to Field Strip the M1 Garand as cadets, while I was still in the Philippines in the late ‘80s. The rifles we pulled from the armories always had this mix of those two different Trigger Guards. But with Winter never being a problem in the tropics, the instructors never told us what these mysterious protuberances were for. All I knew was to pick the ones that didn’t have the hole, because those were easier to pull-out during a timed field-strip. Due to lack of maintenance all the actions were equally corroded and hard to move. Over a decade later all the pieces were returned to the U.S. Somewhere in a CMP warehouse “my” old rifle is in storage, or has been refurbished, and has a proud new owner.
I loved seeing the German WW2 troops with the segmented winter gloves with their Kar98k ‘s and index finger receiving its own glove section apart from the middle, ring, and pinky.
Got one for my M1A. Never know when you might need a fully exposed bang button. Helps for when you're pretending to surrender: Toss the gun against something while it's pointed at the enemy. Better than no chance at all.
you never hear about it, but M1 Garand and the M14's we're the first sniper rifle used in Vietnam and they made shots out to and Beyond 800 yards! pretty impressive for semi-automatics! you can look up the information in a book called 13 cent killers, about snipers in Vietnam, who were pretty disappointed they went to a bolt action like a model 70, and will really disappointed in the performance of the M16! it's a good read
